Re: System requirements

[JEZMO]

On 4/8/02 1:54 PM, "Terry Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> James asks,
> 
>> What is the reasoning behind uping the system requirements for programs if
>> they run on a lower version.netscape 4, I believe requires 7.5 or 7.6 as
>> stated by netscape so if it runs on a lower OS why would they not lower the
>> system requirements?Are they running as smooth as the stated requirements?
>   
> 
> People,
> Even though this is a fair question. . . pleeeze don't respond!
> We've been suckered too often
> and in the interest of a non-competitive
> peaceful day. . . .
> 
> He can ask Netscape right.
> 
> Thanks,
> Terry
> 
> honest question, I always went by the system requirements and now that I know
this it opens up a lot more options, I just question why it's done.

James


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System requirements

[JEZMO]

What is the reasoning behind uping the system requirements for programs if
they run on a lower version.netscape 4, I believe requires 7.5 or 7.6 as
stated by netscape so if it runs on a lower OS why would they not lower the
system requirements?Are they running as smooth as the stated requirements?

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OS debate

[JEZMO]

Well it looks like it's over people pickle has decided to e-mail me
personally now. Well thanks to all for the interesting post.

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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/8/02 1:16 AM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 01:02 -0400 on 08/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>> Does Resource Tweezer (68k) count requires system 7.5 only did'nt even have
>> to go all the way to 8.1. Now lets not change the rules yes there might be
>> something out there that is similar but you said find an app that won't run
>> on 7.1.
> 
> What's it do, and why does it require 7.5?
> 
> Better yet, where can I download it to prove you wrong yet again?
> 
> pickle
> 
>
> _
I don't really care what it does it requires 7.5 it says, I did my homework
now you do yours.

james


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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I still challenge anyone on this list to name an example of a productivity
application that requires 8.1 that does not also require a PPC.  Apple
System Profiler doesn't count, especially when you can get the same
information in much more detail from TattleTech or TechTool.

Does Resource Tweezer (68k) count requires system 7.5 only did'nt even have
to go all the way to 8.1. Now lets not change the rules yes there might be
something out there that is similar but you said find an app that won't run
on 7.1.

James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

[JEZMO]

> At 00:22 -0400 on 08/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>>> I never said they don't work I said they won't connect you cause they don't
>> support under 8.1.
> 
> Which is it?  Are you saying they don't work or that they don't support it?
> Because five seconds ago you just said
> 
> "I don't recall saying that [they won't support it], I said major isp's
> won't connect with a system under 8.1nothing more into it than
> that."
> 
> Now you're saying "It will work, but they won't support it."
> 
> Make up your mind, and for the love of God, stop flamebaiting people.
> You're making even more of an arse out of yourself than you already have.
> 
> pickle
> 
Wow you really don't read things carefully do you I said yes it will work
but for it to work you need someone to connect it for you and I stated that
the major ISP will not with out 8.1 and above. What part don't you
getyou can mess my words around all you want but it still doesn't change
anything everyone saw the post.But I am getting worried about you , you seem
to be getting more and more angry, that can't be good.Your comments are
noted.

Thanks pickle,

James
>


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Re: ISP Hookup

[JEZMO]

On 4/8/02 1:29 AM, "Terry Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> James wrote,
>> Well here in Canada no major isp will even hook you up unless you have
>> system 8.1
> 
> 
> I personally have 7.1 on an LC, 7.5.3 on an LCIII; and
> my LC475 and Centris 610 on 7.6.1 - all OT 1.1.2 & web-connected.
> 
> Hoping we don't get into contentiousness ("fun" for James)
> over "major" and "minor" isp's.
> 
> Terry
> the embarrased Canadian.
> 
> 
Well another canadian,

I too have gotten my mother hooked up with her 575 using 7.5. but not using
sympatico/sprint/IGS/sprint/ do I need to go on. I went with a local company
for her to which I've never heard of before but they were willing to set it
up for me. Giving me the software required on disc's since the apple
internet connection cd I have needed 7.5.3 to work!!!She wanted sympatico
she has her phone there cell phone there to package them all together with a
strong company would of been ideal for her.

James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/8/02 12:14 AM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 00:11 -0400 on 08/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>>> I don't recall saying that, I said major isp's won't connect with a system
>> under 8.1nothing more into it than that.Obviously if you need 8.1 to
> 
> Well, in that case, that's simply wrong.  Major ISPs work perfectly even as
> far back as System 6.
> 
> pickle
> 
> I never said they don't work I said they won't connect you cause they don't
support under 8.1. 

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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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  By that logic, you would argue that any Mac that
> can't run 8.1 is worthless because they aren't "supported" by an ISP.  News
> flash: the Quadras aren't "supported" by Apple either.  That's the whole
> point of LEM and these lists, if you ask me - to provide the missing
> support.
> 
>> pickle
> 
>I don't recall saying that, I said major isp's won't connect with a system
under 8.1nothing more into it than that.Obviously if you need 8.1 to
connect guess what you use 8.1 not 7.1 cause 7.1 isn't 8.1 which is
required.
I think your the one with rage though my post don't have an hint of threats
as your do.

Thank you James


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Re: HFS+ on 7.1

[JEZMO]

On 4/7/02 11:36 PM, "Scott Holder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 11:27 PM 4/7/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>> Sure. You can hook it up fine, as long as it's SCSI ;)
>>> 
>>> Scott Holder
>>> 
>> But I guess I can't make it my start-up drive though under OS 7.1 right?
> 
> And besides, even 8.1 won't boot off an HFS+ drive on a 68k Mac.
> 
> You're again going to an extreme. I said originally that if you need a
> higher OS, go ahead and use it. If you need HFS+, then use 8.1/
> 
> Scott Holder
> 
So I'm guessing 7.1 doesn't regonize HFS+ format?

James


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Re: HFS+ on 7.1

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On 4/7/02 11:23 PM, "Scott Holder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 11:21 PM 4/7/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm wondering if I can hook up an external HFS+ formatted drive to my 475
>> running OS 7.1.
>> 
>> Thanks James
> 
> Sure. You can hook it up fine, as long as it's SCSI ;)
> 
> Scott Holder
> 
But I guess I can't make it my start-up drive though under OS 7.1 right?


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HFS+ on 7.1

[JEZMO]

Hello,

I'm wondering if I can hook up an external HFS+ formatted drive to my 475
running OS 7.1.

Thanks James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/7/02 11:05 PM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 22:43 -0400 on 07/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>> Well I guess you really missed the original question what is the highest OS
>> to run on a 475. Answer 8.1 fast maybe not, does it work yes, Apple seems to
> 
> I answered the original question, you genius.  Or did you miss that part in
> your blind rage against facts that might lessen the importance of your
> opinion?
> 
>  pickle
>
I don't get raged by the way, this is all fun for me.By the way you can't
lessen someones opion is it just that an opion.

Thanks James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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Well I guess you really missed the original question what is the highest OS
to run on a 475. Answer 8.1 fast maybe not, does it work yes, Apple seems to
think it does along with a million others.Would 7.1 be faster yes but that
wasn't the question, sometimes it helps to listen or read the question.

James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/7/02 10:27 PM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 17:48 -0400 on 07/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>> On 4/7/02 5:11 PM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> At 14:46 -0400 on 07/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
>>> so are you saying we should not trust the opions of the LEM web site
>>> writers?
>> Three different articles and your the only one who is right, something is
> 
> I merely state facts.  What you quote are opinions, and they're based on
> inaccurate facts.
> 
Well if your so right why do you support a web site that gives inaccurate
facts!!
>> wrong here.! I guess people should only read the "FAQ" and forget the rest
> 
> At least I clearly state when I'm giving an opinion.
> what part don't you understand?
> pickle
> 
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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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Let's remember the intial post, the gentelman had a 475 so a 68040 with full
36megs ram well within handling 8.1 maybe not as fast but yet compact and
user friendly for him.I didn't even get into hfs+ last night, and the whole
issue of an isp not setting up an account on anything that has a lower OS
than 8.1 is an issue. Some people just like to buy there computer and
install the OS and away you go.

James
> 
> On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 07:46 PM, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>>  So my vote is Mac OS 7.5.5 on pre-68040 models, 8.1 on 68040 and
>> PowerPC
>> machines, and either 8.1 or 8.5.1 on Power Macs and Maclones.
> 
> From my testing (on an LCIII) I have found OS 7.5.5 too sluggish on
> 030s. It's pure crap on a crutch on anything slower. I still strongly
> advocate 7.1 for 030 or earlier. I have to ask if you have any 020 or
> 000 machines? If so give it a try but don't come cryin' to me when it
> takes 5 mins to do a 5 second operation (I think 7.5.5 will run on a
> Classic and an SE BTW). 8.1 is too much if you either have less that 8MB
> of RAM or you have a 25MHz or slower 040. Unless you need HFS+ or
> specifically need 8.1 for anything else, like an ISP, then 7.6.1 is
> still your best bet IMHO, YMMV. It depends what you are willing to put
> up with.
> 
>> 68040-based Macs should use Mac OS 7.6.1 (unless 7.6 is unavailable, in
>> which case they should run 7.5.5).
> 
> This I agree with.
> 
> --
> 
>
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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/7/02 5:11 PM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 14:46 -0400 on 07/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> so are you saying we should not trust the opions of the LEM web site writers?
Three different articles and your the only one who is right, something is
wrong here.! I guess people should only read the "FAQ" and forget the rest
of the articles?

James
>> Well these are articles from the LEM wes site so are you saying their opions
>> don't count?
> 
> Dan knows I think 8.1 on an 040 is a waste of time.
> 
>> MB total). Mac OS 8.1 includes updated Open Transport drivers for your modem
>> and Internet access, far better support for the 68040 processor, and lots of
> 
> The OT 1.3.x stuff isn't appreciably better as far as modem drivers go than
> the OT 1.1.2 standalone installer is.  Some of the networking code might be
> a bit faster, but I've never seen any comparisons, and in my experience, I
> HIGHLY doubt the difference is noticeable.
> 
> In other words, saying the version of OT shipping with 8.1 is a reason in
> itself to upgrade is simply wrong.  Sure, it's better than the old MacTCP
> stuff, but so is *any* version of Open Transport.
> 
> Most of the other "neat new features" can be added to earlier Mac OS
> versions, either with Apple SDKs from the FTP site, or with third-party
> control panels/extensions.  In the cases of third-party additions, most of
> them are significantly *better* than the Apple-designed feature being
> replaced.
> 
> pickle
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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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Well these are articles from the LEM wes site so are you saying their opions
don't count?


Seriously consider upgrading to Mac OS 8.1 once you have 20 MB or more
memory (the 475 has 4 MB on the motherboard, so a 16 MB upgrade gives you 20
MB total). Mac OS 8.1 includes updated Open Transport drivers for your modem
and Internet access, far better support for the 68040 processor, and lots of
neat new features you'll quickly become accustomed to. I've seen the install
CD for as little as US$29.

 So my vote is Mac OS 7.5.5 on pre-68040 models, 8.1 on 68040 and PowerPC
machines, and either 8.1 or 8.5.1 on Power Macs and Maclones.

68040-based Macs should use Mac OS 7.6.1 (unless 7.6 is unavailable, in
which case they should run 7.5.5).


James


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Re: Mac OS for Performa 475

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On 4/7/02 9:04 AM, "Tracy Keirns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have set up a number of LC 475's for people new to computers.  I have
> found that with enough memory OS 8.1 works fine.  I prefer setting it up
> with 8.1 because I find it easier to set up and use...probably because that
> is the OS that I have had the most experience with.
> 
> Like anything else, it probably comes down to what you are going to be doing
> with the computer.  If you are fine with OS 7.5 then use it, if not try
> upgrading it and see what you think.  If you have the install disks you can
> always go back to your original system.
> 
> Tracy 
> 
Well here in Canada no major isp will even hook you up unless you have
system 8.1

James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/7/02 12:39 AM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 22:59 -0500 on 06/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>> Well lets find a decent browser out there that will run on 7.1?
>> I-cab needs 7.5
> 
> Bzzt.  Wrong.  7.0.1.  And is remarkably modern, especially compared to the
> other two you mention.
> 
>> Netscape 4.7.9 needs 7.6.1-you could only run Netscape 3(wow)
> 
> 
> Bzzt.   Wrong again.  4.0.8 works fine if you ignore the warnings.  4.7.9
> is PPC-only, so you're obviously talking out of your ass here.
> 
>> Explorer you can only run up to version 3 with 7.1, now I don't know about
> 
> Sucks anyhow.
> 
> the pickle
> 
> FAQ <http://macfaq.org/index.shtml>
> Software Archive
> <ftp://download:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//Users/thepickl/Sites/Archive/>
> _
No what sucks is your inability to converse with others, no wonder so many
people are using PC's they probably had you as a teacher.Maybe a break away
from the computer and a class in manners would do you well. Your like the
doctor with bad bedside manners, why do you even answer to this list if your
so cranky, you just like playing god you don't care about really what people
want.

james


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/7/02 12:12 AM, "Scott Holder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 12:12 AM 4/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> And how much gas does it burn???
>> People like having options, my mother's 575 that I set up I put 7.5 then
>> updated it to 7.5.3 for her and I get phone calls all the time(she likes to
>> play games) whatever games she goes to download need that higher OS, now I'm
>> not about to keep my mother unhappy are you? I guess my real beef tonight is
>> that offer people options,this is a list to help people in a friendly way I
>> thought, "maybe those people forgot to read the FAQ big deal, I'm sure they
>> won't again if they decide to stay on a list with such ignorance for
>> newbies.
>> 
>> James
> 
> If your mother wants to play games that won't run on 7.5.3, then she has
> the wrong computer.
> 
> Using an old computer is about need. If all you need to run will run on a
> Quadra, then there's no reason not to run a Quadra. If you want to run the
> latest games, buy a G4. Just because your mother needs more than 7.5.3
> doesn't mean that I or anyone else do. I can do everything I need on 7.1.
> 
> As for giving options, you can give options all you like but it doesn't
> mean someone will like yours ;)
> 
> Scott Holder
> 
Glad to see everone is so open minded, did I say she wanted to play the
lastest games I think not.But that last blurp did'nt help your case, if I'm
able to update the os without buying a new computer then why wouldn't I?As
for my opion I never said people had to like mine this is the point I was
trying to make options or opions are just that take them or leave them but
everone has them, and it doesn't hurt to see the other side of things now
and then!!Good for you that your happy with 7.1 but maybe that won't be what
Mike and Robin need, it doesn't hurt to ask and it doesn't cost anything. I
didn't know knowledge of people was so scary to some.We use computers but we
are people remember.

james


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/6/02 11:55 PM, "Scott Holder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 11:52 PM 4/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> I'm finding hard to believe that apple went any further than OS 7.1 if it
>> was such a stand alone OS. Come on things change and we change with them.
>> You don't happen to drive a car that has the abilitiy to go faster than the
>> speed limit do you? If so then your theory doesn't stick!!
>> 
>> james
> 
> I personally drive an '86 Trans Am. It's old, but takes less power (money)
> to own, it's a lot simpler to work on than newer cars (overall complexity),
> it still works with a lot of newer stuff, plus it's just as fun to drive.
> Sorta like System 7.1 :)
> 
> Scott Holder
> 
And how much gas does it burn???
People like having options, my mother's 575 that I set up I put 7.5 then
updated it to 7.5.3 for her and I get phone calls all the time(she likes to
play games) whatever games she goes to download need that higher OS, now I'm
not about to keep my mother unhappy are you? I guess my real beef tonight is
that offer people options,this is a list to help people in a friendly way I
thought, "maybe those people forgot to read the FAQ big deal, I'm sure they
won't again if they decide to stay on a list with such ignorance for
newbies.

James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/6/02 11:44 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is coolno flames, just honest disagreement over the merits of
> various OS's. I'm a virtual Mac-newbie with a somewhat steep learning curve.
> ( I never TOUCHED a 'puter keyboard till Sept.'99). My first Mac OS was 8.6
> on my Rev.D 333, since then I've collected all the Mac OS's, incl. 0SX1.2. My
> problem with 7.1 is completly superficialYes, it boots up fast as
> lightningbut it's so clunky and frankly *early 90's* looking!! That's why
> I'll give up some speed for a * late 90's* look and feel. OK...call me
> shallow ...I just know what I like!!Mikie
I'm finding hard to believe that apple went any further than OS 7.1 if it
was such a stand alone OS. Come on things change and we change with them.
You don't happen to drive a car that has the abilitiy to go faster than the
speed limit do you? If so then your theory doesn't stick!!

james


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/6/02 11:11 PM, "Scott Holder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 10:59 PM 4/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> Well lets find a decent browser out there that will run on 7.1?
>> I-cab needs 7.5
>> Netscape 4.7.9 needs 7.6.1-you could only run Netscape 3(wow)
>> Explorer you can only run up to version 3 with 7.1, now I don't know about
>> you I have used those browsers and they are not what I call great.With
>> having a higher OS that would enable them to have get broswers past 3, maybe
>> they just want to surf the web, but I guess you never asked asked them that
>> question.I'll wait for your response to this to carry on.
>> 
>> James
>> P.S. Are we having fun yet??!
> 
> Netscape 4.0.8 runs fine on 7.1. I think IE 4 will too, haven't tried it.
> 
> Scott Holder
> 
> 
And I'm sure that netscape and explorer still have support for those
browsers rightUpdates to changes with the times!!!Well I guess I'm a
person who can deal with change.

Thanks James


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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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On 4/6/02 10:30 PM, "the pickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 22:10 -0500 on 06/04/02, JEZMO wrote:
> 
>> Lately I see this question pop up, and yes a lower version of OS might be
>> faster but you have to remember what software is available for 7.1, not a
> 
> Just about anything that will run on 8.1 can run on 7.1.  Care to name
> counterexamples?
> 
> the pickle

>I kind of thought you might have something to say.

Well lets find a decent browser out there that will run on 7.1?
I-cab needs 7.5
Netscape 4.7.9 needs 7.6.1-you could only run Netscape 3(wow)
Explorer you can only run up to version 3 with 7.1, now I don't know about
you I have used those browsers and they are not what I call great.With
having a higher OS that would enable them to have get broswers past 3, maybe
they just want to surf the web, but I guess you never asked asked them that
question.I'll wait for your response to this to carry on.

James
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Re: MacOS for Performa 475

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Lately I see this question pop up, and yes a lower version of OS might be
faster but you have to remember what software is available for 7.1, not a
lot. Not to say that 8.1 which can run on a 475 will be as fast as 7.1 or
7.5.3 or whatever but take in mind what you will be using it for and check
to see what app's you are not going to be able to use using such a lower
version of OS.

James
> At 21:50 -0500 on 06/04/02, Michael & Robin Zuhlke wrote:
> 
>>   I am running MacOS 7.5.5 on my Performa 475 right now.  What is the
>> highest MacOS version I can run, and do I need a special 68k version of
> 
> EveryMac and LEM both have this information; I would suggest you check
> those sites out.
> 
>> this MacOS, or does the install CD come with both the 68k and PPC
> 
> It's universal.
> 
> And it's not worth it.  Even 7.5 is pretty slow on the 475s.  7.1 is far
> faster and available for free.
> 
> the pickle
>
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