Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm

[jon jackson]

We used to grass track and track day a Pug 1.9 GTi and these little French 
fancies have an expansion bottle that also has a level sensor which informs 
you of low coolant if you can find a working example (no easy matter cos its 
French!) it could be used.
As some of you know I track dayed that great British kettle a Dolly Sprint 
(retired now and safe in my garage) for over 10 years and sorting the 
coolant system was one of the best things I did.
One little dodge is to have the overflow just under the bonnet beneath the 
screen where it soon lets you know its blowing.

Good luck with this project.
Cheers Jon (2+2 RST)
- Original Message - 
From: "jin" 

To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:07 AM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm


Heres  little winter project ive been working on

I'm cautious about loosing the coolant from the cooling system, I've
cooked a couple of cars to coolant loss and don't want this happening
here,

To begin with i downloaded the diagram from this place.

http://www.circuitsgallery.com/2012/08/water-tank-lowl-evel-alarm.html

i just upped the voltages to 12v, cost about £3 to make

the finished item looks like this, I've added a 12v flashing 10mm led
to act as a double safeguard because although the buzzer is loud, so
is the car.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_100711_zpsa9494077.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_102121_zps5eb3097a.jpg

i was originally going to site the buzzer and LED behind the dash
switch panel but thought it may be better to position the buzzer in
the panel that used to house the radio joystick on the Fiesta.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231115_zps07d9f681.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231124_zps4d4d53c5.jpg

the probes were made from M5 stainless steel screws with special
rubber washers fitted to the head and nut (both flange for extra
surface area) these were drilled into the header tank to just below
minimum level to alow for splashing and surging


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_071324_zps540ce09b.jpg

fitted with rubber sealing washers

drilled and installed into the tank itself

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_072822_zps6cd6064a.jpg

bit tricky to tighten the heads but i managed  ;D

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095723_zpsd4e4a2ba.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095609_zps87db90b7.jpg

i then drilled the dash panel for the LED

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110619_zps096fc727.jpg

and installed the buzzer panel

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110657_zps354d9833.jpg

job done, click below for test video

[URL=http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.mp4][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/
albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
th_VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

all in I'm very happy, all that is left to do is buy an LED to replace
the lamp for the "fan on" indicator i wired in last year, this lamp
was fitted to the joystick panel but the new steering wheel obscures
it a bit and the buzzer now lives there anyway. ill fit this LED to
the dash panel by the water alarm LED.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2013 Trip

[Ian Harrison]

We would have like to take part, but we have a prior booking (yes - it was 
booked a year in advance!)

Ian

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On 2 Jan 2013, at 15:37, Paul  wrote:

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Scammed by the AA

[Jim Hearne]

Hi Bill,
I would rather you didn't come on here and accuse companies like the AA 
of scamming/lying.
Especially as a simple google search reveals that the AA have offered 
Boots vouchers.


So, i would suggest that  it was simply a misunderstanding by either the 
person you spoke to on the phone or the rep making the offer, maybe the 
offer had expired and he didn't realise it.
I'm quite sure that the AA can trace the rep who sold you the membership 
without any of the boxes being filled in, otherwise how could he get his 
commission.


Jim


On 02/01/2013 16:54, reckless_b wrote:
I recently took out AA cover bought in morrisons from one of the AA 
reps, I took out a joint membership with breakdown and relay cover for 
£100, the clincher being I would recieve a £20 boots voucher within a 
few weeks. These few weeks came and went so I contacted the AA 
customer services who say they do not know anything about any offer 
that included this £20 boots voucher so clearly it was a scam brought 
about by this rep to get his figures up, theree is a section on the 
order form for the reps number, venue code andpromotion code all left 
blank in this case , so if you are offered membership with any extras 
take care, they may not exist,make sure all the little boxes are 
filled in at the top of the form, Just because they are from a large 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Scammed by the AA

[Jim Wall]

he was however still acting as a representative of the company so if you push 
the point hard enough - especially if you find a witness or another victim - I 
don't think they'd have a leg to stand on if you want to end the cover. 
Obviousy IANAL and YMMV


reckless_b  wrote:

>I recently took out AA cover bought in morrisons from one of the AA
>reps, I 
>took out a joint membership with breakdown and relay cover for £100,
>the 
>clincher being I would recieve a £20 boots voucher within a few weeks. 
>These few weeks came and went so I contacted the AA customer services
>who 
>say they do not know anything about any offer that included this £20
>boots 
>voucher so clearly it was a scam brought about by this rep to get his 
>figures up, theree is a section on the order form for the reps number, 
>venue code andpromotion code all left blank in this case , so if you
>are 
>offered membership with any extras take care, they may not exist,make
>sure 
>all the little boxes are filled in at the top of the form, Just because
>
>they are from a large company dosen't mean that they dont tell lies.
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[Quantum Owners] Scammed by the AA

[reckless_b]

I recently took out AA cover bought in morrisons from one of the AA reps, I 
took out a joint membership with breakdown and relay cover for £100, the 
clincher being I would recieve a £20 boots voucher within a few weeks. 
These few weeks came and went so I contacted the AA customer services who 
say they do not know anything about any offer that included this £20 boots 
voucher so clearly it was a scam brought about by this rep to get his 
figures up, theree is a section on the order form for the reps number, 
venue code andpromotion code all left blank in this case , so if you are 
offered membership with any extras take care, they may not exist,make sure 
all the little boxes are filled in at the top of the form, Just because 
they are from a large company dosen't mean that they dont tell lies.

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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2013 Trip

[Paul]

Happy new year to you all.
 
I am sure you have us but due to the memory you mention P&J are in.

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[Quantum Owners] Re: low coolant alarm

[jin]

 

hi there

i did look at trying to drill the cap (drilling the bottle was a last 
resort) but there isn’t much space in there with the pressure mechanism, i 
also did think of adding a small tube just off the outlet from the bottle 
but this is leaving it a bit late if you get a sudden drop of fluid in a 
burst hose instance (which ive experienced twice before) so drilling the 
bottle seemed the only option

 

i did buy a float switch first but the hole needed to fit it was something 
like 10 -12mm, because my reservoir bottle is curved all round there is a 
risk of a relatively flat large flat sealing surface not sealing too well 
against the curve of the bottle or risk of distorting the bottle side 
itself, the sealing washers ive used are quite thick and squishy (there’s a 
technical term) so im confident as i can be that they will seal, after all 
the rad hoses rely on rubber and pressure to seal so these should be no 
difference, time will tell, ive not tried it under pressure yet (still 
waiting for the right hose to be sent) but as soon as i do ill report back

On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:07:29 AM UTC, jin wrote:

> Heres  little winter project ive been working on 
>
> I'm cautious about loosing the coolant from the cooling system, I've 
> cooked a couple of cars to coolant loss and don't want this happening 
> here, 
>
> To begin with i downloaded the diagram from this place. 
>
> http://www.circuitsgallery.com/2012/08/water-tank-lowl-evel-alarm.html 
>
> i just upped the voltages to 12v, cost about £3 to make 
>
> the finished item looks like this, I've added a 12v flashing 10mm led 
> to act as a double safeguard because although the buzzer is loud, so 
> is the car. 
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_100711_zpsa9494077.jpg
>  
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_102121_zps5eb3097a.jpg
>  
>
> i was originally going to site the buzzer and LED behind the dash 
> switch panel but thought it may be better to position the buzzer in 
> the panel that used to house the radio joystick on the Fiesta. 
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231115_zps07d9f681.jpg
>  
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231124_zps4d4d53c5.jpg
>  
>
> the probes were made from M5 stainless steel screws with special 
> rubber washers fitted to the head and nut (both flange for extra 
> surface area) these were drilled into the header tank to just below 
> minimum level to alow for splashing and surging 
>
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_071324_zps540ce09b.jpg
>  
>
> fitted with rubber sealing washers 
>
> drilled and installed into the tank itself 
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_072822_zps6cd6064a.jpg
>  
>
> bit tricky to tighten the heads but i managed  ;D 
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095723_zpsd4e4a2ba.jpg
>  
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095609_zps87db90b7.jpg
>  
>
> i then drilled the dash panel for the LED 
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110619_zps096fc727.jpg
>  
>
> and installed the buzzer panel 
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110657_zps354d9833.jpg
>  
>
> job done, click below for test video 
>
> [URL=http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/ 
> VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.mp4][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/ 
> albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
>  
> th_VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.jpg[/IMG][/URL] 
>
> all in I'm very happy, all that is left to do is buy an LED to replace 
> the lamp for the "fan on" indicator i wired in last year, this lamp 
> was fitted to the joystick panel but the new steering wheel obscures 
> it a bit and the buzzer now lives there anyway. ill fit this LED to 
> the dash panel by the water alarm LED. 
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Who has info on 1.0 eco boost engine

[Jim Hearne]

If you use the Ford ecu with all it's wiring loom etc it should still work.
You may need to leave other ecus in the car connected, some things missing 
may just cause error codes, others may stop the engine working.
I don't know if things like the air bag ecu missing would make the engine 
ecu not run.
You can fool the inputs to some ecu's if you have to have them connected, 
air bags can be replaced with resistors, etc etc.

If you need a pulse signal you can simulate with little circuit.

If you are buying a accident damaged car the best thing may be to unplug all 
the parts you don't need while the car is still complete and see what causes 
errors and what stops the engine running.
You may need to keep the instrument cluster connected as they can be coded 
to the ecu, if you can't fit it into your dash then maybe you can remove the 
PCB from it and hide behind the dash.


If you talk to your local Ford dealer maybe they can tell you what parts are 
coded to the ecu.


Jim


-Original Message- 
From: hansdefauwes

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:33 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Who has info on 1.0 eco boost engine

Hi Rolf,

The 1.0 eco boost is fited to a IB5 gearbox so it should fit to a BS . . . .
I hope  - don't know about the starter engine so

I try to plan ahead - and found a low milage 1.0 eco boost engine - it pays
for it self at present/ rising petrol prices.

The question is how to control the emission  as I want the CO2 gr/km & Euro5
level mentioned on the registration papers.
Aftermarket ECU's are not good at that . . .

Enginge changes - even the slightest change  - now need to be reported to
the RDW/DVLA and they want to see the car and in some cases test the car at
their testing facitily.
I'll contact the RDW this week and ask what tests etc. are needed to get it
registerd correctly - before I buy the engine.

Hans


- Original Message - 
From: "Rolf" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Who has info on 1.0 eco boost engine


Hi Hans,
You could try Powertorque.co.uk for suppliing such an engine.
In true Ford tradition, any gearbox will probably fit .
You have to find out though, what ecu fits your requirements.
Can recommend Megasquirt based systems for easy involvent in tuning and
additional tasks.
C U soon,
Rolf

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Who has info on 1.0 eco boost engine

[hansdefauwes]

Hi Rolf,

The 1.0 eco boost is fited to a IB5 gearbox so it should fit to a BS . . . . 
I hope  - don't know about the starter engine so


I try to plan ahead - and found a low milage 1.0 eco boost engine - it pays 
for it self at present/ rising petrol prices.


The question is how to control the emission  as I want the CO2 gr/km & Euro5 
level mentioned on the registration papers.

Aftermarket ECU's are not good at that . . .

Enginge changes - even the slightest change  - now need to be reported to 
the RDW/DVLA and they want to see the car and in some cases test the car at 
their testing facitily.
I'll contact the RDW this week and ask what tests etc. are needed to get it 
registerd correctly - before I buy the engine.


Hans


- Original Message - 
From: "Rolf" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:23 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Who has info on 1.0 eco boost engine


Hi Hans,
You could try Powertorque.co.uk for suppliing such an engine.
In true Ford tradition, any gearbox will probably fit .
You have to find out though, what ecu fits your requirements.
Can recommend Megasquirt based systems for easy involvent in tuning and 
additional tasks.

C U soon,
Rolf

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Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm

[Susan and Martin Scott]

After my time. They were also looking at split level thermostat control, 
don't know if that reached fruition.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Hearne" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm


I've used float switches from RS for the same function in the past.
They did do a version that can be installed from the outside of the bottle.
Ideally you need to have averaging circuit connected between the switch and
the warning light so the light doesn't come on when you go round corners.
I think my last version needed about 30 seconds of the switch more on than
off before it switches the light on.
If you are using a microprocessor you can have it so that when you first
turn the ignition on it shows the switch state instantly (so you can see the
water is low before you drive off) but then smooth's it.

Isn't this why Ford now use cylinder head temperature sensors rather than
water temperature sensors ?
The measure the temperature of the head casting rather than the water.
I think they changed around the Mk5 Fiesta.

Jim



-Original Message- 
From: Susan and Martin Scott

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:40 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm

Look like a good idea - you've certainly been busy the last few days!
Something I'd like to do to my saloon, but I'd feel a bit reluctant to drill
into the bottle in case I couldn't get a seal, or (over time) the seal
didn't. Could it be possible to mount a longer 'dip' screw through the cap?
(I've not looked at the construction, but I suspect not).
There was something in the MG Owners club mag a while ago on this very
subject, I'll have to try to find it. It's always seemed a bit strange that
the manufacturers put the temp sender near the top of the engine (I realise
that's where the hot water rises) because if there is a sudden drop of level
to below the sender, then there may not be an indication on the gauge. I did
suggest whilst at Ford that if we just used a lower resistance sender ( to
allow for the temp diff) the sender could be sited down lower (in a gallery
in the block, or in a low hose) and would be able to show a temp rise even
when the water level dropped - I think it was a 'tradition' thing.

- Original Message - 
From: "jin" 

To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:07 AM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm


Heres  little winter project ive been working on

I'm cautious about loosing the coolant from the cooling system, I've
cooked a couple of cars to coolant loss and don't want this happening
here,

To begin with i downloaded the diagram from this place.

http://www.circuitsgallery.com/2012/08/water-tank-lowl-evel-alarm.html

i just upped the voltages to 12v, cost about £3 to make

the finished item looks like this, I've added a 12v flashing 10mm led
to act as a double safeguard because although the buzzer is loud, so
is the car.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_100711_zpsa9494077.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_102121_zps5eb3097a.jpg

i was originally going to site the buzzer and LED behind the dash
switch panel but thought it may be better to position the buzzer in
the panel that used to house the radio joystick on the Fiesta.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231115_zps07d9f681.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231124_zps4d4d53c5.jpg

the probes were made from M5 stainless steel screws with special
rubber washers fitted to the head and nut (both flange for extra
surface area) these were drilled into the header tank to just below
minimum level to alow for splashing and surging


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_071324_zps540ce09b.jpg

fitted with rubber sealing washers

drilled and installed into the tank itself

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_072822_zps6cd6064a.jpg

bit tricky to tighten the heads but i managed  ;D

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095723_zpsd4e4a2ba.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095609_zps87db90b7.jpg

i then drilled the dash panel for the LED

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110619_zps096fc727.jpg

and installed the buzzer panel

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110657_zps354d9833.jpg

job done, click below for test video

[URL=http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.mp4][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/
albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
th_VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

all in I'm very happy, all that is left to do is buy an LED to replace
the lamp for the "

Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 - Engine Location.

[Jim Hearne]

Q1.
I suspect you may have a bit of a mixture.
The 1.6CVH wasn’t used in the  Mk3 Fiesta as late as a L reg, it  had been 
replaced by the Zetec by then and only in the XR2I and RS1800I, both 1.8’
The was a 1.6 CVH injection engine in the XR2i Mk3 Fiesta but it was earlier 
than an L reg
Was the old engine fuel injected ?

The earlier H4’s didn’t have the holes for the Zetec engine mountings the later 
ones did, the easier way to tell is to look for the front mounting holes on the 
chassis rail.
If you don’t have the holes they can be drilled but you also need an angled 
steel plate welded to the chassis rail (from memory).

Apart from that a Zetec from a Mk3 Fiesta should have been a straight swap for 
a CVH from a Mk3 Fiesta, use the Zetec engine mountings.
The lower engine mountings (on the cradle) are the same on both engines, as is 
the gearbox.

I wonder one or the other of the engines was from an Escort and they have used 
the escort top mountings.
Or, modified the CVH top engine mount to use on the Zetec, no real issues doing 
this if it is done correctly, it takes 260bhp in my 2+2, and Matthews Zetec 
turbo in his 2+2
But, using only the rear top Zetec mount won’t work as it’s not designed to 
handle forces in all directions, it has to have the front mount as well.

If you can take some pictures we should be able to work out what is what.

The engine should be straight and there should be no issues with belt, cover or 
radiator clearances.

A thought, it’s not got a black plastic inlet manifold has it ?

Q2. Escort mounts are different, the basic engine block is the same but the 
brackets and mountings are different. 
If you engine is from an Escort you will need some of the other castings as 
well to fit Fiesta mounts.

Q3. Sounds normal, as long as the vent pipe is clear it should be ok.
The vent pipe should be running up to a solenoid valve on the engine on the 
Zetec so the fumes can be sucked into the engine.
I think the CVH just had the vent valve but otherwise no differences.

Q4. Most people are fitting the power steering, if you’ve not driven a similar 
car without it you may change your mind.
My 2+2 is quite a shock nowadays after driving cars with power steering.
I don’t think the non power steering engines had the automatic tensioner, they 
were all manual adjustment on the alternator tension.

Jim



From: The Blue Pig 
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:54 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] H4 - Engine Location.

Firstly a Happy New year to one and all. It may be New, but I'm keeping the 
receipt just in case. 

Secondly, I've a few queries which I've been meaning to raise for a long while 
and just never got around to, in spite of them being pretty fundamental to 
driving pleasure. I'm hoping one of the H4 gurus may be able to shed light or 
offer divine guidance.

My H4 was built with a "regular" 1.6CVH engine from, I believe, and "L"-reg 
Fiesta. It was then re-engined with a 1.6 Zetec in order to provide the owner 
with power steering. However, there was evidently some difficulty in siting the 
engine as I realise it's been fitted slightly at an angle, so close to the 
off-side chassis member that the belt cover has had to be left off. In 
addition, the off-side front mounting which is present in the donor is absent 
in mine, and this permits excessive slewing of the engine on sharp left-hand 
turns and a truly unpleasant noise as one or other pulley attempts to chew its 
way to freedom through the chassis. (This led to a misalignment of the 
auxilliary drive belt, corrected at some cost.) It can't be any good for the 
drive shafts, either and may explain why the gear lever feels so damned far 
away (and I have long arms). On the positive side, it has made me a very 
considerate driver on left-hand bends. I've also noticed that the off-side rear 
mounting, near the suspension location, has two holes drilled in it, and I 
recall noticing the same thing in photographs posted here of rust on a Quantum 
H4 chassis: is this a standard arrangement? My engine uses the hole further 
back and towards the edge of the vehicle.

Looking at it all, it seems that the radiator fan (from the original engine) 
would obstruct the engine were it fitted "straight", so Q1 is: does the Zetec 
have a slimmer radiator? I've seen after-market electrical fans with depths of 
under 3", so is one of these usually required?

Q2. relates to the missing front engine mounting. A scrapyard search turned up 
no 1.6 Zetec Fiestas but one or two Escorts. However, they seem to have a 
different mounting system. Are the two interchangeable or were there specific 
Fiesta and Escort variants of the 1.6 Zetec? Is there any reliable after-market 
substitute for this mounting, as the Ford original is silly money!

Q3. relates to fuel tank pressurisation. I've noticed an occasional hissing 
from the fuel filler cap, usually when the tank is less than half full. Is this 
likely simply to be wor

[Quantum Owners] Who has info on 1.0 eco boost engine

[Rolf]

Hi Hans, 
You could try Powertorque.co.uk for suppliing such an engine.
In true Ford tradition, any gearbox will probably fit . 
You have to find out though, what ecu fits your requirements.
Can recommend Megasquirt based systems for easy involvent in tuning and 
additional tasks.
C U soon,
Rolf

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Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm

[Jim Hearne]

I've used float switches from RS for the same function in the past.
They did do a version that can be installed from the outside of the bottle.
Ideally you need to have averaging circuit connected between the switch and 
the warning light so the light doesn't come on when you go round corners.
I think my last version needed about 30 seconds of the switch more on than 
off before it switches the light on.
If you are using a microprocessor you can have it so that when you first 
turn the ignition on it shows the switch state instantly (so you can see the 
water is low before you drive off) but then smooth's it.


Isn't this why Ford now use cylinder head temperature sensors rather than 
water temperature sensors ?

The measure the temperature of the head casting rather than the water.
I think they changed around the Mk5 Fiesta.

Jim



-Original Message- 
From: Susan and Martin Scott

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:40 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm

Look like a good idea - you've certainly been busy the last few days!
Something I'd like to do to my saloon, but I'd feel a bit reluctant to drill
into the bottle in case I couldn't get a seal, or (over time) the seal
didn't. Could it be possible to mount a longer 'dip' screw through the cap?
(I've not looked at the construction, but I suspect not).
There was something in the MG Owners club mag a while ago on this very
subject, I'll have to try to find it. It's always seemed a bit strange that
the manufacturers put the temp sender near the top of the engine (I realise
that's where the hot water rises) because if there is a sudden drop of level
to below the sender, then there may not be an indication on the gauge. I did
suggest whilst at Ford that if we just used a lower resistance sender ( to
allow for the temp diff) the sender could be sited down lower (in a gallery
in the block, or in a low hose) and would be able to show a temp rise even
when the water level dropped - I think it was a 'tradition' thing.

- Original Message - 
From: "jin" 

To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:07 AM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm


Heres  little winter project ive been working on

I'm cautious about loosing the coolant from the cooling system, I've
cooked a couple of cars to coolant loss and don't want this happening
here,

To begin with i downloaded the diagram from this place.

http://www.circuitsgallery.com/2012/08/water-tank-lowl-evel-alarm.html

i just upped the voltages to 12v, cost about £3 to make

the finished item looks like this, I've added a 12v flashing 10mm led
to act as a double safeguard because although the buzzer is loud, so
is the car.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_100711_zpsa9494077.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_102121_zps5eb3097a.jpg

i was originally going to site the buzzer and LED behind the dash
switch panel but thought it may be better to position the buzzer in
the panel that used to house the radio joystick on the Fiesta.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231115_zps07d9f681.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231124_zps4d4d53c5.jpg

the probes were made from M5 stainless steel screws with special
rubber washers fitted to the head and nut (both flange for extra
surface area) these were drilled into the header tank to just below
minimum level to alow for splashing and surging


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_071324_zps540ce09b.jpg

fitted with rubber sealing washers

drilled and installed into the tank itself

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_072822_zps6cd6064a.jpg

bit tricky to tighten the heads but i managed  ;D

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095723_zpsd4e4a2ba.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095609_zps87db90b7.jpg

i then drilled the dash panel for the LED

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110619_zps096fc727.jpg

and installed the buzzer panel

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110657_zps354d9833.jpg

job done, click below for test video

[URL=http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.mp4][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/
albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
th_VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

all in I'm very happy, all that is left to do is buy an LED to replace
the lamp for the "fan on" indicator i wired in last year, this lamp
was fitted to the joystick panel but the new steering wheel obscures
it a bit and the buzzer now lives there anyway. ill fit this LED to
the dash panel by the water alarm LED.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm

[Susan and Martin Scott]

Look like a good idea - you've certainly been busy the last few days!
Something I'd like to do to my saloon, but I'd feel a bit reluctant to drill 
into the bottle in case I couldn't get a seal, or (over time) the seal 
didn't. Could it be possible to mount a longer 'dip' screw through the cap? 
(I've not looked at the construction, but I suspect not).
There was something in the MG Owners club mag a while ago on this very 
subject, I'll have to try to find it. It's always seemed a bit strange that 
the manufacturers put the temp sender near the top of the engine (I realise 
that's where the hot water rises) because if there is a sudden drop of level 
to below the sender, then there may not be an indication on the gauge. I did 
suggest whilst at Ford that if we just used a lower resistance sender ( to 
allow for the temp diff) the sender could be sited down lower (in a gallery 
in the block, or in a low hose) and would be able to show a temp rise even 
when the water level dropped - I think it was a 'tradition' thing.


- Original Message - 
From: "jin" 

To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:07 AM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm


Heres  little winter project ive been working on

I'm cautious about loosing the coolant from the cooling system, I've
cooked a couple of cars to coolant loss and don't want this happening
here,

To begin with i downloaded the diagram from this place.

http://www.circuitsgallery.com/2012/08/water-tank-lowl-evel-alarm.html

i just upped the voltages to 12v, cost about £3 to make

the finished item looks like this, I've added a 12v flashing 10mm led
to act as a double safeguard because although the buzzer is loud, so
is the car.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_100711_zpsa9494077.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_102121_zps5eb3097a.jpg

i was originally going to site the buzzer and LED behind the dash
switch panel but thought it may be better to position the buzzer in
the panel that used to house the radio joystick on the Fiesta.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231115_zps07d9f681.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231124_zps4d4d53c5.jpg

the probes were made from M5 stainless steel screws with special
rubber washers fitted to the head and nut (both flange for extra
surface area) these were drilled into the header tank to just below
minimum level to alow for splashing and surging


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_071324_zps540ce09b.jpg

fitted with rubber sealing washers

drilled and installed into the tank itself

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_072822_zps6cd6064a.jpg

bit tricky to tighten the heads but i managed  ;D

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095723_zpsd4e4a2ba.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095609_zps87db90b7.jpg

i then drilled the dash panel for the LED

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110619_zps096fc727.jpg

and installed the buzzer panel

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110657_zps354d9833.jpg

job done, click below for test video

[URL=http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.mp4][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/
albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
th_VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

all in I'm very happy, all that is left to do is buy an LED to replace
the lamp for the "fan on" indicator i wired in last year, this lamp
was fitted to the joystick panel but the new steering wheel obscures
it a bit and the buzzer now lives there anyway. ill fit this LED to
the dash panel by the water alarm LED.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] low coolant alarm

[Chris Young]

a very neat solution to a potential disastrous problem.

I like it :)




On 2 January 2013 07:07, jin  wrote:

> Heres  little winter project ive been working on
>
> I'm cautious about loosing the coolant from the cooling system, I've
> cooked a couple of cars to coolant loss and don't want this happening
> here,
>
> To begin with i downloaded the diagram from this place.
>
> http://www.circuitsgallery.com/2012/08/water-tank-lowl-evel-alarm.html
>
> i just upped the voltages to 12v, cost about £3 to make
>
> the finished item looks like this, I've added a 12v flashing 10mm led
> to act as a double safeguard because although the buzzer is loud, so
> is the car.
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_100711_zpsa9494077.jpg
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_102121_zps5eb3097a.jpg
>
> i was originally going to site the buzzer and LED behind the dash
> switch panel but thought it may be better to position the buzzer in
> the panel that used to house the radio joystick on the Fiesta.
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231115_zps07d9f681.jpg
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121231_231124_zps4d4d53c5.jpg
>
> the probes were made from M5 stainless steel screws with special
> rubber washers fitted to the head and nut (both flange for extra
> surface area) these were drilled into the header tank to just below
> minimum level to alow for splashing and surging
>
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_071324_zps540ce09b.jpg
>
> fitted with rubber sealing washers
>
> drilled and installed into the tank itself
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121214_072822_zps6cd6064a.jpg
>
> bit tricky to tighten the heads but i managed  ;D
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095723_zpsd4e4a2ba.jpg
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20121228_095609_zps87db90b7.jpg
>
> i then drilled the dash panel for the LED
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110619_zps096fc727.jpg
>
> and installed the buzzer panel
>
>
> http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/IMG_20130101_110657_zps354d9833.jpg
>
> job done, click below for test video
>
> [URL=http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
> VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.mp4][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/
> albums/o192/jindal/2012%20quantum/
> th_VID_20130101_111217_zpsef477e5c.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>
> all in I'm very happy, all that is left to do is buy an LED to replace
> the lamp for the "fan on" indicator i wired in last year, this lamp
> was fitted to the joystick panel but the new steering wheel obscures
> it a bit and the buzzer now lives there anyway. ill fit this LED to
> the dash panel by the water alarm LED.
>
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[Quantum Owners] Re: H4s

[The Blue Pig]

The terrible thing is that, having seen those pictures, I can't un-see 
them. Not nice.

On Monday, 24 December 2012 23:35:19 UTC, 4Q-100 wrote:
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> I found a news letter in my files referring to the H4s. Has anyone 
> built one of these and got any pics. I've never seen one and wondered 
> if it ever got on the road. 
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> cheers folks and all the very best for Christmas and a great 2013 
>
> regards, Chris 
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[Quantum Owners] H4 - Engine Location.

[The Blue Pig]

Firstly a Happy New year to one and all. It may be New, but I'm keeping the 
receipt just in case.

Secondly, I've a few queries which I've been meaning to raise for a long 
while and just never got around to, in spite of them being pretty 
fundamental to driving pleasure. I'm hoping one of the H4 gurus may be able 
to shed light or offer divine guidance.

My H4 was built with a "regular" 1.6CVH engine from, I believe, and "L"-reg 
Fiesta. It was then re-engined with a 1.6 Zetec in order to provide the 
owner with power steering. However, there was evidently some difficulty in 
siting the engine as I realise it's been fitted slightly at an angle, so 
close to the off-side chassis member that the belt cover has had to be left 
off. In addition, the off-side front mounting which is present in the donor 
is absent in mine, and this permits excessive slewing of the engine on 
sharp left-hand turns and a truly unpleasant noise as one or other pulley 
attempts to chew its way to freedom through the chassis. (This led to a 
misalignment of the auxilliary drive belt, corrected at some cost.) It 
can't be any good for the drive shafts, either and may explain why the gear 
lever feels so damned far away (and I have long arms). On the positive 
side, it has made me a very considerate driver on left-hand bends. I've 
also noticed that the off-side rear mounting, near the suspension location, 
has two holes drilled in it, and I recall noticing the same thing in 
photographs posted here of rust on a Quantum H4 chassis: is this a standard 
arrangement? My engine uses the hole further back and towards the edge of 
the vehicle.

Looking at it all, it seems that the radiator fan (from the original 
engine) would obstruct the engine were it fitted "straight", so Q1 is: does 
the Zetec have a slimmer radiator? I've seen after-market electrical fans 
with depths of under 3", so is one of these usually required?

Q2. relates to the missing front engine mounting. A scrapyard search turned 
up no 1.6 Zetec Fiestas but one or two Escorts. However, they seem to have 
a different mounting system. Are the two interchangeable or were there 
specific Fiesta and Escort variants of the 1.6 Zetec? Is there any reliable 
after-market substitute for this mounting, as the Ford original is silly 
money!

Q3. relates to fuel tank pressurisation. I've noticed an occasional hissing 
from the fuel filler cap, usually when the tank is less than half full. Is 
this likely simply to be worn seals on the filler cap or the neck on which 
it bears? The pipe from the top of the tank to the valve strapped to the 
filler neck seems to be open as blowing down it leads to pressure in the 
tank (cap hisses). Or is it that the Zetec fuel pressures are different to 
those of the 1.6CVH and some modification should have been made?

Q4. relates to getting rid of the power steering, which just seems like a 
waste of horsepower to me. Is there a "standard" fix to replace the power 
steering pulley with a guide pulley to maintain auxilliary drive belt 
geometry and allow correct functioning of the automatic belt tensioner 
(what a great idea! So much easier then the system on a previous Fiesta I 
had which required torque wrenches, crow's foot adaptors and three hands to 
get the tension correct) ?

I really should have trickle-fed all of these in over the course of the 
year but, there you go! Maybe I should book myself in for a Quantum H4 
Masterclass - will provide assistance in return for enlightenment !

Kind regards, and thanks in advance,

Steve and The Blue Pig.

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