Re: [Quantum Owners] New model?

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

Not so sure about the car but is there not a danger that people might think of 
you as being 'stuck up', just a passing thought for amusement only.


However if you take the concept to its logical conclusion you would produce 
something similar to the Citroen based Romahomes that used bodies produced 
initially by Island Plastics on the Isle on the Isle of Wight.


Someone in Norwich combined an Island Plastics style body with a Reliant Fox 
pick-up. A very rare beast.


what would my car look like with its trailer glued on?




 





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Subject: [Quantum Owners] New model?




I thoughtwhat would my car look like with its trailer glued on?
 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fuel Gauge Stuck at Top

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Hi. 

Um, nothing to report really. I guess I just put in more than normal and it 
took its time going down! I get paranoid about these things. It was nothing!

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[Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

[Derek Clews]

Hi All,

I have fitted various thermostats in the past and most seem to control the 
coolant temp fine for a few months and then get colder and colder until the 
running temp hits the bottom of the gauge.  Occasionally one I have had runs 
for years and is fine.  I recall there was a thread about this some time ago, 
what was the outcome?  Is there a particular make we need to buy?  At present I 
have one of each in the two Q’s so see the direct comparison every week as I 
drive one then the other, so I know I am not just imagining it!  

Derek

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[Quantum Owners] Rear Screen heater Saloon

[Derek Clews]

Dear All,

Just thinking out aloud about the saloon Rear Screen heater.  Mine has voltage 
at the connectors and resistance of 1.4 K Ohms across the screen.  But it does 
not seem to de-mist at all.  I thought one connector was damaged and repaired 
it.  Is it possible that a repair can ‘connect’ and test OK but not ‘CONNECT’ 
and carry current?  Thoughts anyone. 

In general the pattern of de-mister conductors is designed for a hatch tailgate 
with a section for the rear wiper and large areas you want in the saloon are 
uncovered.  I was thinking of an alternative anyway.  How about an aftermarket 
adhesive old style heater for the screen?  I have fitted one in the dim and 
distant past and it did work.  Not very subtle though.  Possibly electric fan 
heaters fitted blowing up the screen as a solution?  Any experiences/ideas 
anyone?  

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear Screen heater Saloon

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Using your figures and V/R shows a current of 0.01 of an Amp ,and power of
0.14 Watt .seems a bit low to me so maybe one of your contacts is poor and
high resistance.
On 16 Jan 2016 6:36 pm, "Derek Clews"  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Just thinking out aloud about the saloon Rear Screen heater.  Mine has
> voltage at the connectors and resistance of 1.4 K Ohms across the screen.
> But it does not seem to de-mist at all.  I thought one connector was
> damaged and repaired it.  Is it possible that a repair can ‘connect’ and
> test OK but not ‘CONNECT’ and carry current?  Thoughts anyone.
>
> In general the pattern of de-mister conductors is designed for a hatch
> tailgate with a section for the rear wiper and large areas you want in the
> saloon are uncovered.  I was thinking of an alternative anyway.  How about
> an aftermarket adhesive old style heater for the screen?  I have fitted one
> in the dim and distant past and it did work.  Not very subtle though.
> Possibly electric fan heaters fitted blowing up the screen as a solution?
> Any experiences/ideas anyone?
>
> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear Screen heater Saloon

[Susan and Martin Scott]

I have (had?) an aftermarket stick-on rear window heater on the Rickman, but 
each year it seems to detach itself a little more- Maybe the glue isn't heat 
resistant?
As for the connectionon your screen .. Are you testing it disconnected? 
is it possible the probes on the meter are pushing against the connector and 
completing the connection, which 'springs apart' without any pressure on it, 
or breaks due to the weight (albeit small) or the connectors/wire pulling 
down? Have you tried using tme meter with the screen connected and switched 
on?

Martin

- Original Message - 
From: "Derek Clews" 

To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
Cc: "Derek Clews" 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:01 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Rear Screen heater Saloon


Dear All,

Just thinking out aloud about the saloon Rear Screen heater.  Mine has 
voltage at the connectors and resistance of 1.4 K Ohms across the screen. 
But it does not seem to de-mist at all.  I thought one connector was damaged 
and repaired it.  Is it possible that a repair can ‘connect’ and test OK but 
not ‘CONNECT’ and carry current?  Thoughts anyone.


In general the pattern of de-mister conductors is designed for a hatch 
tailgate with a section for the rear wiper and large areas you want in the 
saloon are uncovered.  I was thinking of an alternative anyway.  How about 
an aftermarket adhesive old style heater for the screen?  I have fitted one 
in the dim and distant past and it did work.  Not very subtle though. 
Possibly electric fan heaters fitted blowing up the screen as a solution? 
Any experiences/ideas anyone?


Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

['Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group]

If I am right in suggesting that a thermostat that fails to open correctly 
stops the flow of coolant from the engine to the radiator and that one which 
opens too soon or sticks open, or is missing altogether causes the engine to 
run cold because the engine coolant flows through the radiator at all times 
what is read on the temperature gauge depends on the location of the 
temperature sensor.


If a gauge is working at all and sensing the temperature of the coolant within 
the engine block there seems to be little possibility that the gauge would not 
respond in the same way as the sensor for the electric fan. If it is hot enough 
for the fan to run it must show on the gauge.
On the other hand the temperature gauge might be monitoring the temperature of 
the coolant within the radiator or some other point between the thermostat and 
the radiator, thus showing a low temperature because of the thermostat failing 
to open.


Thermostat test - I believe the time honoured test is to put it in a pan of 
water and bring it to the boil.


T/C engines - RS turbo thermostats are designed to open at a lower temperature 
than those for n.a. engines.



-Original Message-
From: Susan and Martin Scott 
To: quantumowners 
Sent: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:03
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

Funny you shuld say that, as I thought I had the problem again.. however 
it just seems to be the gauge not moving, as the heater gets hot within a 
mile. For the last year the gauge has never gone above O on the NORM section 
of the scale, even when it's very hot and the fan comes on. I shall be 
getting the meter out, and earthing the wire as a test once we have some 
spring weather.
Martin
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From: "Derek Clews" 
To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
Cc: "Derek Clews" 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:07 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat


Hi All,

I have fitted various thermostats in the past and most seem to control the 
coolant temp fine for a few months and then get colder and colder until the 
running temp hits the bottom of the gauge.  Occasionally one I have had runs 
for years and is fine.  I recall there was a thread about this some time 
ago, what was the outcome?  Is there a particular make we need to buy?  At 
present I have one of each in the two Q’s so see the direct comparison every 
week as I drive one then the other, so I know I am not just imagining it!

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Cipher

[Nigel Plant]

Can anyone wiser than me explain ehy the 2+2, the subjectof the original post 
bshows as ended, but when clicking on ghe item shiws as 20 mins left to run? 
Was thinking about having a pop, but ...

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Rear Screen heater Saloon

['Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group]

Derek

At 1.4k your heater is effectively open-circuit. The resistance should be 
around one thousandth of that. Did you measure at the heater termination 
tabs or at the spade connectors which slide onto the tabs? If the latter 
perhaps one or both is insulated from the tab by corrosion. If you measured 
at the tabs then either there is a break at one of the tabs or all of the 
elements are worn / corroded / broken. Unfortunately the latter is quite 
common. If the former you might be able to locate the break and bridge it 
with solder but you risk the heat shattering the glass. In my experience 
none of the paint-on silver-bearing remedies work. By the way, a new screen 
isn't all that expensive and the transformation is worth it. The unheated 
area at the bottom of the screen needs ventilation though. I am considering 
cutting slots along the rear of the parcel shelf on mine and putting a 
discreetly positioned air exit somewhere in the boot-lid. It needs to be an 
exit because lack of an exit into low-pressure air is one cause of the 
windows in a Q steaming up. Try this - put the heater on full blast demist 
and put your finger in the (feeble) air stream from one of the outer 
windscreen demist vents. Then open one of the windows a crack and you'll be 
surprised how much stronger the flow of air from the demister becomes...

HTH

Bill

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:36:32 PM UTC, Derek Clews wrote:
>
> Dear All, 
>
> Just thinking out aloud about the saloon Rear Screen heater.  Mine has 
> voltage at the connectors and resistance of 1.4 K Ohms across the screen. 
>  But it does not seem to de-mist at all.  I thought one connector was 
> damaged and repaired it.  Is it possible that a repair can ‘connect’ and 
> test OK but not ‘CONNECT’ and carry current?  Thoughts anyone. 
>
> In general the pattern of de-mister conductors is designed for a hatch 
> tailgate with a section for the rear wiper and large areas you want in the 
> saloon are uncovered.  I was thinking of an alternative anyway.  How about 
> an aftermarket adhesive old style heater for the screen?  I have fitted one 
> in the dim and distant past and it did work.  Not very subtle though. 
>  Possibly electric fan heaters fitted blowing up the screen as a solution? 
>  Any experiences/ideas anyone?   
>
> Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear Screen heater Saloon

[Jim Hearne]

Yes, the resistance should be less than 1 ohm, the current is 15 or 20 amps.
Did you measure with the meter probes on the crimps or actually on the 
rear screen elements each side ?


Jim


On 16/01/2016 18:50, kynastonp . wrote:


Using your figures and V/R shows a current of 0.01 of an Amp ,and 
power of 0.14 Watt .seems a bit low to me so maybe one of your 
contacts is poor and high resistance.


On 16 Jan 2016 6:36 pm, "Derek Clews" > wrote:


Dear All,

Just thinking out aloud about the saloon Rear Screen heater. Mine
has voltage at the connectors and resistance of 1.4 K Ohms across
the screen.  But it does not seem to de-mist at all.  I thought
one connector was damaged and repaired it.  Is it possible that a
repair can ‘connect’ and test OK but not ‘CONNECT’ and carry
current?  Thoughts anyone.

In general the pattern of de-mister conductors is designed for a
hatch tailgate with a section for the rear wiper and large areas
you want in the saloon are uncovered.  I was thinking of an
alternative anyway.  How about an aftermarket adhesive old style
heater for the screen?  I have fitted one in the dim and distant
past and it did work.  Not very subtle though. Possibly electric
fan heaters fitted blowing up the screen as a solution?  Any
experiences/ideas anyone?

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear Screen heater Saloon

[Derek Clews]

Maybe I need to redo the repair, then.  How about viable 
alternatives/improvements?

Derek


> On 16 Jan 2016, at 18:50, kynastonp .  wrote:
> 
> Using your figures and V/R shows a current of 0.01 of an Amp ,and power of 
> 0.14 Watt .seems a bit low to me so maybe one of your contacts is poor and 
> high resistance.
> On 16 Jan 2016 6:36 pm, "Derek Clews"  > wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> Just thinking out aloud about the saloon Rear Screen heater.  Mine has 
> voltage at the connectors and resistance of 1.4 K Ohms across the screen.  
> But it does not seem to de-mist at all.  I thought one connector was damaged 
> and repaired it.  Is it possible that a repair can ‘connect’ and test OK but 
> not ‘CONNECT’ and carry current?  Thoughts anyone.
> 
> In general the pattern of de-mister conductors is designed for a hatch 
> tailgate with a section for the rear wiper and large areas you want in the 
> saloon are uncovered.  I was thinking of an alternative anyway.  How about an 
> aftermarket adhesive old style heater for the screen?  I have fitted one in 
> the dim and distant past and it did work.  Not very subtle though.  Possibly 
> electric fan heaters fitted blowing up the screen as a solution?  Any 
> experiences/ideas anyone?
> 
> Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Coolant thermostat

['Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi Derek - get a non-fake leading-brand or a Ford one, definitely worth the 
extra. My Q goes from sub-zero to 88C in 1.5 miles and the last stat did 17 
years before expiring!!

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:36:39 PM UTC, Derek Clews wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
>
> I have fitted various thermostats in the past and most seem to control the 
> coolant temp fine for a few months and then get colder and colder until the 
> running temp hits the bottom of the gauge.  Occasionally one I have had 
> runs for years and is fine.  I recall there was a thread about this some 
> time ago, what was the outcome?  Is there a particular make we need to buy? 
>  At present I have one of each in the two Q’s so see the direct comparison 
> every week as I drive one then the other, so I know I am not just imagining 
> it!   
>
> Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear Screen heater Saloon

[Derek Clews]

Thanks All,

Seems like the repair did not take, so it needs doing again.  I removed the 
connector at one side and measured across the tabs to get 1.4 K Ohm.  I will 
try again with some different compound.  

I agree about the ventilation, but it seems so far no one has found a 
definitive answer to that.  Where to vent and how to make it visually 
acceptable.  I did wonder about the lower boot lid area which would work well 
with slots in the rear shelf, so maybe that is a way forward.  We had an old 
Jag XJ6 X300 that had vents in the boot floor.  So more or less invisible.  
They had a plastic vent grill and foam filter in the gap.  

One old fashioned way to de-mist is still available - its a sucker attached 
heating element that warms air, which rises over the inside of the window.  I 
don’t know how effective it is though.

Derek



> On 16 Jan 2016, at 21:38, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the resistance should be less than 1 ohm, the current is 15 or 20 amps.
> Did you measure with the meter probes on the crimps or actually on the rear 
> screen elements each side ?
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> On 16/01/2016 18:50, kynastonp . wrote:
>> Using your figures and V/R shows a current of 0.01 of an Amp ,and power of 
>> 0.14 Watt .seems a bit low to me so maybe one of your contacts is poor and 
>> high resistance.
>> On 16 Jan 2016 6:36 pm, "Derek Clews" > > wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> Just thinking out aloud about the saloon Rear Screen heater.  Mine has 
>> voltage at the connectors and resistance of 1.4 K Ohms across the screen.  
>> But it does not seem to de-mist at all.  I thought one connector was damaged 
>> and repaired it.  Is it possible that a repair can ‘connect’ and test OK but 
>> not ‘CONNECT’ and carry current?  Thoughts anyone.
>> 
>> In general the pattern of de-mister conductors is designed for a hatch 
>> tailgate with a section for the rear wiper and large areas you want in the 
>> saloon are uncovered.  I was thinking of an alternative anyway.  How about 
>> an aftermarket adhesive old style heater for the screen?  I have fitted one 
>> in the dim and distant past and it did work.  Not very subtle though.  
>> Possibly electric fan heaters fitted blowing up the screen as a solution?  
>> Any experiences/ideas anyone?
>> 
>> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

[Susan and Martin Scott]

My temp gauge responds, but seems consistently 1/4 of the scale below where it 
should be. I suspect it's an issue with the sender, and if I earth the sender 
wire and get a full scale deflection on the gauge that will pretty much be 
confirmation. The sender is a genuine Ford one. Over the last 6 years I've used 
2 Ford thermostats and a Quinton Hazell thermostat, which is the most 
successful so far. The first Ford one stuck open after a couple of years' use, 
the second started (but to a lesser extent) to get the same symptom, and I 
changed to the QH one (as the locally available 'brand name' one) 
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 8:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat


  If I am right in suggesting that a thermostat that fails to open correctly 
stops the flow of coolant from the engine to the radiator and that one which 
opens too soon or sticks open, or is missing altogether causes the engine to 
run cold because the engine coolant flows through the radiator at all times 
what is read on the temperature gauge depends on the location of the 
temperature sensor. 


  If a gauge is working at all and sensing the temperature of the coolant 
within the engine block there seems to be little possibility that the gauge 
would not respond in the same way as the sensor for the electric fan. If it is 
hot enough for the fan to run it must show on the gauge.
  On the other hand the temperature gauge might be monitoring the temperature 
of the coolant within the radiator or some other point between the thermostat 
and the radiator, thus showing a low temperature because of the thermostat 
failing to open.


  Thermostat test - I believe the time honoured test is to put it in a pan of 
water and bring it to the boil.


  T/C engines - RS turbo thermostats are designed to open at a lower 
temperature than those for n.a. engines.



  -Original Message-
  From: Susan and Martin Scott 
  To: quantumowners 
  Sent: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:03
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

  Funny you shuld say that, as I thought I had the problem again.. however 
  it just seems to be the gauge not moving, as the heater gets hot within a 
  mile. For the last year the gauge has never gone above O on the NORM section 
  of the scale, even when it's very hot and the fan comes on. I shall be 
  getting the meter out, and earthing the wire as a test once we have some 
  spring weather.
  Martin
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  From: "Derek Clews" 
  To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
  Cc: "Derek Clews" 
  Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:07 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat


  Hi All,

  I have fitted various thermostats in the past and most seem to control the 
  coolant temp fine for a few months and then get colder and colder until the 
  running temp hits the bottom of the gauge. Occasionally one I have had runs 
  for years and is fine. I recall there was a thread about this some time 
  ago, what was the outcome? Is there a particular make we need to buy? At 
  present I have one of each in the two Q’s so see the direct comparison every 
  week as I drive one then the other, so I know I am not just imagining it!

  Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat

[Susan and Martin Scott]

Funny you shuld say that, as I thought I had the problem again.. however 
it just seems to be the gauge not moving, as the heater gets hot within a 
mile. For the last year the gauge has never gone above O on the NORM section 
of the scale, even when it's very hot and the fan comes on. I shall be 
getting the meter out, and earthing the wire as a test once we have some 
spring weather.

Martin
- Original Message - 
From: "Derek Clews" 

To: "Quantum Owners Club" 
Cc: "Derek Clews" 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:07 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Coolant thermostat


Hi All,

I have fitted various thermostats in the past and most seem to control the 
coolant temp fine for a few months and then get colder and colder until the 
running temp hits the bottom of the gauge.  Occasionally one I have had runs 
for years and is fine.  I recall there was a thread about this some time 
ago, what was the outcome?  Is there a particular make we need to buy?  At 
present I have one of each in the two Q’s so see the direct comparison every 
week as I drive one then the other, so I know I am not just imagining it!


Derek

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