Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Wow - lots of parts changes there. A route which may be less finacially 
cripling could be to get a machine shop to make a new master cylinder for you 
to match a set of seals (if you can get them.)
Even with the labour costs involved it may be viable, it's just finding tthe 
right place? Another suggestion is to try to find stockists of brake parts or 
classic stock (who aren't on the 'net)
BEWARE do not use OLDSTOCKSPARES.COM who are thieves!  see here 
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/oldstockspares.com
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Hearne 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder


  Sorry, googlegroups refuses to accept any replies (or moderations) from my 
email at the moment so my reply is a bit late.


  The early large master cylinder as you have found only fits with the early 
short distributor which needs it's matching ECU to work. 
  This distributor is shorter as all the mechanical and vacuum advance is done 
electronically in the ECU, the later longer distributor reverted to the old 
mechanical advance systems and needs no ECU.


  The later master cylinder i think was made by Ford, or at least specifically 
for them. It's made out of pressed mild steel instead of cast steel or cast 
iron, ironically it was probably much cheaper to make.
  But because it's mild steel any water in the brake fluid (caused by not 
changing the fluid often enough, or too much pressure washing) causes rust in 
the bore.
  Silicone brake fluid is worst for this as the water doesn't mix with the 
fluid and instead sinks to the lowest spot and rusts.


  The insides of the master cylinders are completely different so, no, the 
overhaul kit for the earlier one won't help you.
  And since the probably is probably rust then it wouldn't help you anyway.


  Besides the distributor issue, to swap from the later to the earlier system 
needs the master cylinder, servo, servo mounting brackets, transfer bar and the 
bracket on the other end of the transfer bar all swapping over to the earlier 
parts.


  I think using a Mondeo master cylinder and servo has been mentioned before as 
a replacement for the later Mk2 but i've not done that conversion myself.


  My saloon has a Mk3 Fiesta master cylinder and servo on it but i can't 
remember now if i had to modify the brackets or not.


  Jim












  On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:49:48 PM UTC, Sonia wrote:


Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! 
The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't 
understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions


Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of


a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later 
versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need
b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the 
brake pipe connections


Sonia & Pete


On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
wrote:
  I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll 
defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in 
length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) 
threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master 
cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie 
smaller) as there isn't room.
- Original Message - 
From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
To: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder


I think you need the Girling version.

TRW do one here 
https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/

I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have 
since found them cheaper.

If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change 
the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 

Chris G


From: Sonia 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

Hi

Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 
Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! 
Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are 
having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed 
the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder 
was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are 
readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there 
isn't

Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Jim Hearne 
Sorry, googlegroups refuses to accept any replies (or moderations) from my 
email at the moment so my reply is a bit late.

The early large master cylinder as you have found only fits with the early 
short distributor which needs it's matching ECU to work. 
This distributor is shorter as all the mechanical and vacuum advance is 
done electronically in the ECU, the later longer distributor reverted to 
the old mechanical advance systems and needs no ECU.

The later master cylinder i think was made by Ford, or at least 
specifically for them. It's made out of pressed mild steel instead of cast 
steel or cast iron, ironically it was probably much cheaper to make.
But because it's mild steel any water in the brake fluid (caused by not 
changing the fluid often enough, or too much pressure washing) causes rust 
in the bore.
Silicone brake fluid is worst for this as the water doesn't mix with the 
fluid and instead sinks to the lowest spot and rusts.

The insides of the master cylinders are completely different so, no, the 
overhaul kit for the earlier one won't help you.
And since the probably is probably rust then it wouldn't help you anyway.

Besides the distributor issue, to swap from the later to the earlier system 
needs the master cylinder, servo, servo mounting brackets, transfer bar and 
the bracket on the other end of the transfer bar all swapping over to the 
earlier parts.

I think using a Mondeo master cylinder and servo has been mentioned before 
as a replacement for the later Mk2 but i've not done that conversion myself.

My saloon has a Mk3 Fiesta master cylinder and servo on it but i can't 
remember now if i had to modify the brackets or not.

Jim







On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:49:48 PM UTC, Sonia wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! 
> The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. 
> Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late 
> versions
>
> Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of
>
> a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later 
> versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need
> b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the 
> brake pipe connections
>
> Sonia & Pete
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll 
>> defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying 
>> in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or 
>> m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger 
>> master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different 
>> distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
>>
>> I think you need the Girling version.
>>  
>> TRW do one here 
>> https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/
>>  
>> I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since 
>> found them cheaper.
>>  
>> If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the 
>> servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 
>>  
>> Chris G
>>  
>>  
>> *From:* Sonia 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
>> *To:* Quantum Owners Group 
>> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
>>  
>> Hi
>>  
>> Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 
>> XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! 
>> Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who 
>> are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) 
>> changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter 
>> master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The 
>> earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points 
>> more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only 
>> later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!!
>>  
>> Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
>> cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early 
>> and later cylinders
>>  
>> So, does anyone
>>  
>> a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more 
>> sensible price
>> b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which 
>> is which
>> c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal 
>> additional effort
>>  
>> Many thanks
>>  
>> Sonia & Pete
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Once yours is removed you may be able to narrow it down by measuring - or if 
you have both kits in front of you it may be obvious by appearance?
I've a suspicion that there are loads of these and other 'obsolete' parts at 
the Ford dealers. I would wager if you took the car to them and asked them to 
fix it they'd charge a fortune but be able to fix it - but ask them for the 
part and it would not be available. (similar for other manufacturers, not 
pointing the finger at Ford)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sonia 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder


  I have been trawling the interweb and have had a chat with autodoc. They have 
given me two links


  https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-3907676for brake system  BOCHS - 
BENDIXhttps://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-6808179
  for brake system LUCAS

  Do these seem plausible? Is the brake system likely to be Bosch - Bendix or 
Lucas, and if so how can I tell which I have?



  On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:31:54 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
wrote:
when you say there isn't room, is that because of the clash with the 
distributor? If so, (and if it fits of course?) it may be financially better 
and an easier task to get the earlier m/c and the alternative distributor.
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sonia 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder




  Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! 
The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't 
understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions


  Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of


  a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later 
versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need
  b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of 
the brake pipe connections


  Sonia & Pete


  On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
wrote: 
I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll 
defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in 
length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) 
threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master 
cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie 
smaller) as there isn't room.
  - Original Message - 
  From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder


  I think you need the Girling version.

  TRW do one here 
https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/

  I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have 
since found them cheaper.

  If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change 
the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 

  Chris G


  From: Sonia 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

  Hi

  Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 
Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! 
Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are 
having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed 
the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder 
was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are 
readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there 
isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have 
found are on ebay and £350!!

  Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our 
existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the 
early and later cylinders

  So, does anyone

  a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more 
sensible price
  b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell 
which is which
  c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal 
additional effort

  Many thanks

  Sonia & Pete
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Sonia 
I have been trawling the interweb and have had a chat with autodoc. They 
have given me two links

*https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-3907676* 

for brake system  BOCHS - BENDIX

*https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-6808179 
*for brake system LUCAS

Do these seem plausible? Is the brake system likely to be Bosch - Bendix or 
Lucas, and if so how can I tell which I have?


On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:31:54 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
wrote:
>
> when you say there isn't room, is that because of the clash with the 
> distributor? If so, (and if it fits of course?) it may be financially 
> better and an easier task to get the earlier m/c and the alternative 
> distributor.
> Martin
>
> - Original Message - 
> *From:* Sonia  
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 5:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
>
>
> Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! 
> The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. 
> Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late 
> versions
>
> Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of
>
> a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later 
> versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need
> b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the 
> brake pipe connections
>
> Sonia & Pete
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
> wrote: 
>>
>> I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll 
>> defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying 
>> in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or 
>> m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger 
>> master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different 
>> distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
>> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
>>
>> I think you need the Girling version.
>>  
>> TRW do one here 
>> https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/
>>  
>> I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since 
>> found them cheaper.
>>  
>> If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the 
>> servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 
>>  
>> Chris G
>>  
>>  
>> *From:* Sonia 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
>> *To:* Quantum Owners Group 
>> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
>>  
>> Hi
>>  
>> Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 
>> XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! 
>> Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who 
>> are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) 
>> changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter 
>> master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The 
>> earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points 
>> more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only 
>> later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!!
>>  
>> Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
>> cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early 
>> and later cylinders
>>  
>> So, does anyone
>>  
>> a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more 
>> sensible price
>> b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which 
>> is which
>> c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal 
>> additional effort
>>  
>> Many thanks
>>  
>> Sonia & Pete
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
when you say there isn't room, is that because of the clash with the 
distributor? If so, (and if it fits of course?) it may be financially better 
and an easier task to get the earlier m/c and the alternative distributor.
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sonia 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder




  Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! The 
earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't 
understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions


  Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of


  a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later versions 
of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need
  b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the 
brake pipe connections


  Sonia & Pete


  On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
wrote:
I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll defer 
to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in length' 
(maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) threaded 
ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, 
however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as 
there isn't room.
  - Original Message - 
  From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder


  I think you need the Girling version.

  TRW do one here 
https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/

  I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since 
found them cheaper.

  If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the 
servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 

  Chris G


  From: Sonia 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

  Hi

  Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 
XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got 
it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are 
having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed 
the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder 
was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are 
readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there 
isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have 
found are on ebay and £350!!

  Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and 
later cylinders

  So, does anyone

  a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more 
sensible price
  b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which 
is which
  c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal 
additional effort

  Many thanks

  Sonia & Pete
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 

Pete,

Have you checked out the club FAQ?  This might be of use?

https://www.quantumowners.club/index.php/faq-qoc/27-faq-saloon/32-qoc-faq-saloon-brake-servo-upgrade

Regards,
Steve

On 12/12/2018 17:28, Sonia wrote:


Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at 
£454!!! The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one 
on ebay. Don't understand why there is such a difference between early 
and late versions


Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of

a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later 
versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need
b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of 
the brake pipe connections


Sonia & Pete


On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin 
Scott wrote:


I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not
(I'll defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will
need 'modifying in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly
has different size (m10 or m12) threaded ends - again not too big
an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, however I believe
you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as there
isn't room.

- Original Message -
*From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
*To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

I think you need the Girling version.
TRW do one here
https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/

I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others
have since found them cheaper.
If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to
change the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the
connections are different.
Chris G
*From:* Sonia 
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
*To:* Quantum Owners Group 
*Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
Hi
Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based
on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder
so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have
used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble
locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed
the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and
shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a
longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but
with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't
room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders
we have found are on ebay and £350!!
Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix
our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are
separate kits for the early and later cylinders
So, does anyone
a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a
more sensible price
b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to
tell which is which
c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with
minimal additional effort
Many thanks
Sonia & Pete
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Sonia 

Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! 
The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. 
Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late 
versions

Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of

a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later 
versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need
b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the 
brake pipe connections

Sonia & Pete


On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott 
wrote:
>
> I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll 
> defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying 
> in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or 
> m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger 
> master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different 
> distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room.
>
> - Original Message - 
> *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group  
> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
>
> I think you need the Girling version.
>  
> TRW do one here 
> https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/
>  
> I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since 
> found them cheaper.
>  
> If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the 
> servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 
>  
> Chris G
>  
>  
> *From:* Sonia  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group  
> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
>  
> Hi
>  
> Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 
> XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! 
> Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who 
> are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) 
> changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter 
> master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The 
> earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points 
> more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only 
> later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!!
>  
> Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
> cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early 
> and later cylinders
>  
> So, does anyone
>  
> a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible 
> price
> b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is 
> which
> c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional 
> effort
>  
> Many thanks
>  
> Sonia & Pete
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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Sonia 


On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 3:02:39 PM UTC, Sonia wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 
> XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! 
> Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who 
> are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) 
> changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter 
> master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The 
> earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points 
> more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only 
> later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!!
>
> Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
> cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early 
> and later cylinders
>
> So, does anyone
>
> a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible 
> price
> b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is 
> which
> c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional 
> effort
>
> Many thanks
>
> Sonia & Pete
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll defer to 
Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in length' 
(maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) threaded 
ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, 
however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as 
there isn't room.
  - Original Message - 
  From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder


  I think you need the Girling version.

  TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/

  I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since 
found them cheaper.

  If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the 
servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 

  Chris G


  From: Sonia 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

  Hi

  Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. 
Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to 
local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having 
trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the 
master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was 
fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily 
available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room 
for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on 
ebay and £350!!

  Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and 
later cylinders

  So, does anyone

  a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible 
price
  b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is 
which
  c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional 
effort

  Many thanks

  Sonia & Pete
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
I think you need the Girling version.

TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/

I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since found 
them cheaper.

If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the servo 
(black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. 

Chris G


From: Sonia 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

Hi

Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. 
Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to 
local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having 
trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the 
master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was 
fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily 
available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room 
for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on 
ebay and £350!!

Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and 
later cylinders

So, does anyone

a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price
b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which
c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional 
effort

Many thanks

Sonia & Pete
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
I got one from Misterauto a couple of years ago - less than £80. It took 3 
attempts(2 refunds) and various 'phone calls, but got there eventually. Might 
be worth a  try.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sonia 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder


  Hi


  Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. 
Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to 
local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having 
trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the 
master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was 
fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily 
available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room 
for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on 
ebay and £350!!


  Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and 
later cylinders


  So, does anyone


  a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible 
price
  b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is 
which
  c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional 
effort


  Many thanks


  Sonia & Pete

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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

2018-12-12 Thread Sonia 
Hi

Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 
XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! 
Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who 
are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) 
changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter 
master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The 
earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points 
more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only 
later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!!

Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing 
cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early 
and later cylinders

So, does anyone

a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible 
price
b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is 
which
c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional 
effort

Many thanks

Sonia & Pete

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