Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 - there will be rc5

2018-02-15 Thread 7v5w7go9ub0o 
EXCELLENT!


Please take your time!!!






On 02/15/2018 01:59 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Looking at the state of rc4, we're still not satisfied with the quality
> - - there will be rc5. Updated schedule here:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/schedule/
>
> - -- 
> Best Regards,
> Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
> Invisible Things Lab
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-07-09 Thread mikihonzero 


On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 5:27:27 PM UTC, Noor Christensen wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:45:09PM -0700, mikih...@gmail.com  
> wrote: 
> > Pretty much the same problems for me. Make iso doesn't include 
> templates. I 
> > built fc25 which is straightforward. Jessie builts a  ~560mb rpm, but 
> > errors out: template-local-jessie+minimal+no recommends. 
> > The important thing missing are make iso not including the templates (no 
> > errors though), any ideas ? 
>
> Could you attach the log file or provide some more context to what 
> happens before that error line? 
>
> -- noor 
>
> |_|O|_| 
> |_|_|O|  Noor Christensen   
> |O|O|O|  no...@fripost.org  ~ 0x401DA1E0 
>

Sorry, I haven't got the Installation anymore. I was using ./setup  and 
selected Jessie (no minimal and no gnome). It stopped at make 
linux-template-builder, after making the fc25 template. It prompts making 
jessie
template, then after some time errors out leaving a *600mb Jessie rpm.

Regards

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-07-09 Thread mikihonzero 


On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 5:27:27 PM UTC, Noor Christensen wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:45:09PM -0700, mikih...@gmail.com  
> wrote: 
> > Pretty much the same problems for me. Make iso doesn't include 
> templates. I 
> > built fc25 which is straightforward. Jessie builts a  ~560mb rpm, but 
> > errors out: template-local-jessie+minimal+no recommends. 
> > The important thing missing are make iso not including the templates (no 
> > errors though), any ideas ? 
>
> Could you attach the log file or provide some more context to what 
> happens before that error line? 
>
> -- noor 
>
> |_|O|_| 
> |_|_|O|  Noor Christensen   
> |O|O|O|  no...@fripost.org  ~ 0x401DA1E0 
>

Sorry, no logs. The whole installation is deleted. For the error:
f24 template VM |  git clone qubes-builder | install gpg | ./setup | 
install deps+import keys | +qubes 4.0 | +testing repo | +fedora-builder, 
debian-builder, salt | NOT only templates | skip get-sources | +templates 
fc25, jessie (no jessie+minimal or other jessie/stretch variants) | exit.
#make install-deps
#nano example-configs/qubes-os-master.conf | edit out lines components kde, 
i3, awesome, pve-windows-drivers
#make get-sources
#make install-deps (PyYAML didn't get fetched before)
# make qubes
Now at make linux-template-builder fc25 builts ok, then prompt says jessie 
builts, then errors out missing 
recipe/target template-local-jessie+minimal+no recommends
In the built dir I have a ~600mb rpm of jessie one 1,5G fc25.
But as far as I remember, I tried a clean template only debian-builder + 
jessie built without any changes to example-configs or anything, just from 
./setup+make install-deps+make get-sources+make qubes-vm+make template with 
the same outcome.

regards

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-07-06 Thread mikihonzero 


On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 10:52:22 AM UTC, Outback Dingo wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:45 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
>  wrote: 
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> > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 06:41:33AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: 
> >> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:32 AM, Outback Dingo  > wrote: 
> >> > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
> >> >  wrote: 
> >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- 
> >> >> Hash: SHA256 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 06:19:34AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: 
> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Outback Dingo  > wrote: 
> >> >>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Outback Dingo <
> outbac...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> On Jun 28, 2017 20:16, "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" 
> >> >>> >>  wrote: 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- 
> >> >>> >> Hash: SHA256 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: 
> >> >>> >>> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo 
> dingo 
> >> >>> >>> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates 
> are not 
> >> >>> >> included. Have you built them? Check 
> >> >>> >> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, 
> execute 
> >> >>> >> "make template", then "make iso" again. 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> I configured it for only F25 templates it's installing now also 
> during the 
> >> >>> >> install I noticed it only gave me a gui option for xfce not kde 
> I'll know 
> >> >>> >> more in 10 mins 
> >> >>> > ls 
> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch/qubes-template-fc25-3.1.0-201706282236.noarch.rpm
>  
>
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > it is there, i also noticed when qubes rebooted after install and 
> >> >>> > asked for initial configuration it failed to configure basic 
> vms... 
> >> >>> > personal, work ... etc etc 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> also make template 
> >> >>> -> Building template fc25 (logfile: 
> build-logs/template-fc25.log)... 
> >> >>> --> Done. 
> >> >>> /bin/bash: 
> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-windows//scripts/convert-path.sh: 
>
> >> >>> Permission denied 
> >> >>> /bin/bash: line 0: pwd: -W: invalid option 
> >> >>> pwd: usage: pwd [-LP] 
> >> >>> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'update-repo'.  Stop. 
> >> >>> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-win7x64] Error 1 
> >> >> 
> >> >> builder-windows?! 
> >> >> I thought you've enabled only fc25 template... 
> >> > 
> >> > i went back and enabled windows and debian templates, ive now 
> disabled 
> >> > windows again and just left debian 
> >> 
> >> and now -> Building template fc25 (logfile: 
> build-logs/template-fc25.log)... 
> >> --> Done. 
> >> Makefile.generic:28: *** Building packages for jessie not supported by 
> >> any of configured plugins.  Stop. 
> >> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-jessie] Error 1 
> > 
> > Do you have builder-debian plugin enabled? 
>
> like 
> BUILDER_PLUGINS = builder-fedora builder-debian 
>
> i just added it 
>
> > 
> > - -- 
> > Best Regards, 
> > Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
> > Invisible Things Lab 
> > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. 
> > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? 
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Pretty much the same problems for me. Make iso doesn't include templates. I 
built fc25 which is straightforward. Jessie builts a  ~560mb rpm, but 
errors out: template-local-jessie+minimal+no recommends.
The important thing missing are make iso not including the templates (no 
errors though), any ideas ? 

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-29 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 06:41:33AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:32 AM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
> >  wrote:
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> >> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 06:19:34AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Outback Dingo  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Outback Dingo  
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Jun 28, 2017 20:16, "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki"
> >>> >>  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >>> >> Hash: SHA256
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> >>> >>> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
> >>> >>> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates are not
> >>> >> included. Have you built them? Check
> >>> >> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, execute
> >>> >> "make template", then "make iso" again.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I configured it for only F25 templates it's installing now also during 
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> install I noticed it only gave me a gui option for xfce not kde I'll 
> >>> >> know
> >>> >> more in 10 mins
> >>> > ls 
> >>> > qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch/qubes-template-fc25-3.1.0-201706282236.noarch.rpm
> >>> >
> >>> > it is there, i also noticed when qubes rebooted after install and
> >>> > asked for initial configuration it failed to configure basic vms...
> >>> > personal, work ... etc etc
> >>>
> >>> also make template
> >>> -> Building template fc25 (logfile: build-logs/template-fc25.log)...
> >>> --> Done.
> >>> /bin/bash: 
> >>> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-windows//scripts/convert-path.sh:
> >>> Permission denied
> >>> /bin/bash: line 0: pwd: -W: invalid option
> >>> pwd: usage: pwd [-LP]
> >>> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'update-repo'.  Stop.
> >>> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-win7x64] Error 1
> >>
> >> builder-windows?!
> >> I thought you've enabled only fc25 template...
> >
> > i went back and enabled windows and debian templates, ive now disabled
> > windows again and just left debian
> 
> and now -> Building template fc25 (logfile: build-logs/template-fc25.log)...
> --> Done.
> Makefile.generic:28: *** Building packages for jessie not supported by
> any of configured plugins.  Stop.
> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-jessie] Error 1

Do you have builder-debian plugin enabled?

- -- 
Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-29 Thread Outback Dingo 
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:32 AM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
>  wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA256
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 06:19:34AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Outback Dingo  
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Outback Dingo  
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 28, 2017 20:16, "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki"
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> >> Hash: SHA256
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
>>> >>> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
>>> >>> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso
>>> >>
>>> >> Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates are not
>>> >> included. Have you built them? Check
>>> >> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, execute
>>> >> "make template", then "make iso" again.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I configured it for only F25 templates it's installing now also during 
>>> >> the
>>> >> install I noticed it only gave me a gui option for xfce not kde I'll know
>>> >> more in 10 mins
>>> > ls 
>>> > qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch/qubes-template-fc25-3.1.0-201706282236.noarch.rpm
>>> >
>>> > it is there, i also noticed when qubes rebooted after install and
>>> > asked for initial configuration it failed to configure basic vms...
>>> > personal, work ... etc etc
>>>
>>> also make template
>>> -> Building template fc25 (logfile: build-logs/template-fc25.log)...
>>> --> Done.
>>> /bin/bash: 
>>> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-windows//scripts/convert-path.sh:
>>> Permission denied
>>> /bin/bash: line 0: pwd: -W: invalid option
>>> pwd: usage: pwd [-LP]
>>> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'update-repo'.  Stop.
>>> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-win7x64] Error 1
>>
>> builder-windows?!
>> I thought you've enabled only fc25 template...
>
> i went back and enabled windows and debian templates, ive now disabled
> windows again and just left debian

and now -> Building template fc25 (logfile: build-logs/template-fc25.log)...
--> Done.
Makefile.generic:28: *** Building packages for jessie not supported by
any of configured plugins.  Stop.
make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-jessie] Error 1


>
>>
>> - --
>> Best Regards,
>> Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
>> Invisible Things Lab
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-29 Thread Outback Dingo 
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
 wrote:
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>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 06:19:34AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Outback Dingo  
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Outback Dingo  
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017 20:16, "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> >> Hash: SHA256
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
>> >>> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
>> >>> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso
>> >>
>> >> Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates are not
>> >> included. Have you built them? Check
>> >> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, execute
>> >> "make template", then "make iso" again.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I configured it for only F25 templates it's installing now also during the
>> >> install I noticed it only gave me a gui option for xfce not kde I'll know
>> >> more in 10 mins
>> > ls 
>> > qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch/qubes-template-fc25-3.1.0-201706282236.noarch.rpm
>> >
>> > it is there, i also noticed when qubes rebooted after install and
>> > asked for initial configuration it failed to configure basic vms...
>> > personal, work ... etc etc
>>
>> also make template
>> -> Building template fc25 (logfile: build-logs/template-fc25.log)...
>> --> Done.
>> /bin/bash: 
>> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-windows//scripts/convert-path.sh:
>> Permission denied
>> /bin/bash: line 0: pwd: -W: invalid option
>> pwd: usage: pwd [-LP]
>> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'update-repo'.  Stop.
>> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-win7x64] Error 1
>
> builder-windows?!
> I thought you've enabled only fc25 template...

i went back and enabled windows and debian templates, ive now disabled
windows again and just left debian

>
> - --
> Best Regards,
> Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
> Invisible Things Lab
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-29 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 06:19:34AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Outback Dingo  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 28, 2017 20:16, "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki"
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> >>> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
> >>> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso
> >>
> >> Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates are not
> >> included. Have you built them? Check
> >> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, execute
> >> "make template", then "make iso" again.
> >>
> >>
> >> I configured it for only F25 templates it's installing now also during the
> >> install I noticed it only gave me a gui option for xfce not kde I'll know
> >> more in 10 mins
> > ls 
> > qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch/qubes-template-fc25-3.1.0-201706282236.noarch.rpm
> >
> > it is there, i also noticed when qubes rebooted after install and
> > asked for initial configuration it failed to configure basic vms...
> > personal, work ... etc etc
> 
> also make template
> -> Building template fc25 (logfile: build-logs/template-fc25.log)...
> --> Done.
> /bin/bash: 
> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-windows//scripts/convert-path.sh:
> Permission denied
> /bin/bash: line 0: pwd: -W: invalid option
> pwd: usage: pwd [-LP]
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'update-repo'.  Stop.
> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-win7x64] Error 1

builder-windows?!
I thought you've enabled only fc25 template...

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-29 Thread Outback Dingo 
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2017 20:16, "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA256
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
>>> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
>>> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso
>>
>> Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates are not
>> included. Have you built them? Check
>> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, execute
>> "make template", then "make iso" again.
>>
>>
>> I configured it for only F25 templates it's installing now also during the
>> install I noticed it only gave me a gui option for xfce not kde I'll know
>> more in 10 mins
> ls 
> qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch/qubes-template-fc25-3.1.0-201706282236.noarch.rpm
>
> it is there, i also noticed when qubes rebooted after install and
> asked for initial configuration it failed to configure basic vms...
> personal, work ... etc etc

also make template
-> Building template fc25 (logfile: build-logs/template-fc25.log)...
--> Done.
/bin/bash: 
/home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-windows//scripts/convert-path.sh:
Permission denied
/bin/bash: line 0: pwd: -W: invalid option
pwd: usage: pwd [-LP]
make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'update-repo'.  Stop.
make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-win7x64] Error 1


>
>>
>>
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>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-28 Thread Outback Dingo 
On Jun 28, 2017 20:16, "Marek Marczykowski-Górecki" <
marma...@invisiblethingslab.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso

Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates are not
included. Have you built them? Check
qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, execute
"make template", then "make iso" again.


I configured it for only F25 templates it's installing now also during the
install I noticed it only gave me a gui option for xfce not kde I'll know
more in 10 mins


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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-28 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 07:58:24PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
> 1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso

Hmm, it's a bit small. Should be about 3GB. I guess templates are not
included. Have you built them? Check
qubes-src/linux-template-builder/rpm/noarch - if its empty, execute
"make template", then "make iso" again.

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-28 Thread Outback Dingo 
successful... now lets see what it does  -rw-r--r--  2 dingo dingo
1265631232 Jun 28 19:57 Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170628.iso

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 01:04:12AM +0200, Wojtek Porczyk wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:07:04AM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:41:38PM +0200, Wojtek Porczyk wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:40:53PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
>> > > > Does Anyone have a recent build iso of Qubes 4.0 I can try, Ive tried
>> > > > building it unsuccessfully drama in another thread. I just want to
>> > > > verify my networking issues are resolved.
>> > >
>> > > I don't think it exists. The one I'm currently working off has 
>> > > non-installable
>> > > templates (rpms from R3.2 can't be used on R4.0 because of some problems 
>> > > with
>> > > post-installation, so I run the internal tools more or less manually) and
>> > > there is no Manager.
>> >
>> > Wojtek, I've already uploaded qubes-template-fedora-25 to templates-itl
>> > for R4.0. And unless you want to use grub installed there, it works ;)
>>
>> Oooh, and 
>> https://ftp.qubes-os.org/~marmarek/Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170615.iso{,.asc}
>> could be usable? :P
>
> Depends on definition of "usable". One issue is that the image include
> wrong template (with R3.2 repository definitions)...
>
> - --
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> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-28 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 01:04:12AM +0200, Wojtek Porczyk wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:07:04AM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:41:38PM +0200, Wojtek Porczyk wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:40:53PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > > > Does Anyone have a recent build iso of Qubes 4.0 I can try, Ive tried
> > > > building it unsuccessfully drama in another thread. I just want to
> > > > verify my networking issues are resolved.
> > > 
> > > I don't think it exists. The one I'm currently working off has 
> > > non-installable
> > > templates (rpms from R3.2 can't be used on R4.0 because of some problems 
> > > with
> > > post-installation, so I run the internal tools more or less manually) and
> > > there is no Manager.
> > 
> > Wojtek, I've already uploaded qubes-template-fedora-25 to templates-itl
> > for R4.0. And unless you want to use grub installed there, it works ;)
> 
> Oooh, and 
> https://ftp.qubes-os.org/~marmarek/Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170615.iso{,.asc}
> could be usable? :P

Depends on definition of "usable". One issue is that the image include
wrong template (with R3.2 repository definitions)...

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-28 Thread Wojtek Porczyk 
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On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:07:04AM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:41:38PM +0200, Wojtek Porczyk wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:40:53PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > > Does Anyone have a recent build iso of Qubes 4.0 I can try, Ive tried
> > > building it unsuccessfully drama in another thread. I just want to
> > > verify my networking issues are resolved.
> > 
> > I don't think it exists. The one I'm currently working off has 
> > non-installable
> > templates (rpms from R3.2 can't be used on R4.0 because of some problems 
> > with
> > post-installation, so I run the internal tools more or less manually) and
> > there is no Manager.
> 
> Wojtek, I've already uploaded qubes-template-fedora-25 to templates-itl
> for R4.0. And unless you want to use grub installed there, it works ;)

Oooh, and 
https://ftp.qubes-os.org/~marmarek/Qubes-DVD-x86_64-20170615.iso{,.asc}
could be usable? :P


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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-28 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:41:38PM +0200, Wojtek Porczyk wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:40:53PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > Does Anyone have a recent build iso of Qubes 4.0 I can try, Ive tried
> > building it unsuccessfully drama in another thread. I just want to
> > verify my networking issues are resolved.
> 
> I don't think it exists. The one I'm currently working off has non-installable
> templates (rpms from R3.2 can't be used on R4.0 because of some problems with
> post-installation, so I run the internal tools more or less manually) and
> there is no Manager.

Wojtek, I've already uploaded qubes-template-fedora-25 to templates-itl
for R4.0. And unless you want to use grub installed there, it works ;)

> And bugs. Not much, but some annoying.
> 
> Looks like we're going to deliver on Andrew's promise with a slight delay.

As always...

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0

2017-06-28 Thread Wojtek Porczyk 
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 04:40:53PM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> Does Anyone have a recent build iso of Qubes 4.0 I can try, Ive tried
> building it unsuccessfully drama in another thread. I just want to
> verify my networking issues are resolved.

I don't think it exists. The one I'm currently working off has non-installable
templates (rpms from R3.2 can't be used on R4.0 because of some problems with
post-installation, so I run the internal tools more or less manually) and
there is no Manager.

And bugs. Not much, but some annoying.

Looks like we're going to deliver on Andrew's promise with a slight delay.


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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 built from git fails

2017-06-28 Thread Wojtek Porczyk 
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:52:33PM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:31:48AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> > still a struggle

It wasn't easy to write, so why should it be easy to compile.

/s


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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 built from git fails

2017-06-28 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:31:48AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
>  wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 06:53:30AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> >> -> Installing core RPM packages...
> >> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UBUWVQ: line 9: grep: command not found
> >> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UBUWVQ: line 16: grep: command not found
> >> Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
> >> Failed to set locale, defaulting to C
> >> Package dnf-1.1.10-6.fc25.noarch is already installed, skipping.
> >> Package dnf-plugins-core-0.1.21-5.fc25.noarch is already installed, 
> >> skipping.
> >> Running in chroot, ignoring request.
> >> groupadd: GID '0' already exists
> >> make[1]: *** 
> >> [/home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-fedora/Makefile.fedora:81:
> >> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/chr
> >> oot-fc25/home/user/.prepared_base] Error 1
> >> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/dingo/qubes-builder'
> >> make: *** [Makefile:221: vmm-xen-dom0] Error 1
> >> [root@localhost qubes-builder]#
> >
> > Run the build as normal user (it will use sudo where really necessary).
> >
> 
> still a struggle
> -> Building meta-packages (rpm_spec/qubes-vm-meta-packages.spec) for
> fc25 vm (logfile: build-logs/meta-packages-vm
> -fc25.log)
> --> Done:
>  
> qubes-src/meta-packages/pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-repo-contrib-4.0.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm
>  
> qubes-src/meta-packages/pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-vm-dependencies-4.0.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm
>  
> qubes-src/meta-packages/pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-vm-recommended-4.0.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm
> ln: failed to access
> 'pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-desktop-linux-common-3.2.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm':
> No such file or direct
> ory
> ln: failed to access
> 'pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-menus-3.2.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm': No such file
> or directory
> make[1]: *** 
> [/home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-fedora/Makefile.fedora:166:
> update-repo-do] Error 1
> make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-fc25] Error 1

Oh, looks like order in COMPONENTS is wrong. Put desktop-linux-common
before linux-template-builder.

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 built from git fails

2017-06-28 Thread Outback Dingo 
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
 wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 06:53:30AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
>> -> Installing core RPM packages...
>> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UBUWVQ: line 9: grep: command not found
>> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UBUWVQ: line 16: grep: command not found
>> Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
>> Failed to set locale, defaulting to C
>> Package dnf-1.1.10-6.fc25.noarch is already installed, skipping.
>> Package dnf-plugins-core-0.1.21-5.fc25.noarch is already installed, skipping.
>> Running in chroot, ignoring request.
>> groupadd: GID '0' already exists
>> make[1]: *** 
>> [/home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-fedora/Makefile.fedora:81:
>> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/chr
>> oot-fc25/home/user/.prepared_base] Error 1
>> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/dingo/qubes-builder'
>> make: *** [Makefile:221: vmm-xen-dom0] Error 1
>> [root@localhost qubes-builder]#
>
> Run the build as normal user (it will use sudo where really necessary).
>

still a struggle
-> Building meta-packages (rpm_spec/qubes-vm-meta-packages.spec) for
fc25 vm (logfile: build-logs/meta-packages-vm
-fc25.log)
--> Done:
 
qubes-src/meta-packages/pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-repo-contrib-4.0.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm
 
qubes-src/meta-packages/pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-vm-dependencies-4.0.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm
 
qubes-src/meta-packages/pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-vm-recommended-4.0.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm
ln: failed to access
'pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-desktop-linux-common-3.2.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm':
No such file or direct
ory
ln: failed to access
'pkgs/fc25/noarch/qubes-menus-3.2.0-1.fc25.noarch.rpm': No such file
or directory
make[1]: *** 
[/home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-fedora/Makefile.fedora:166:
update-repo-do] Error 1
make: *** [Makefile:294: template-local-fc25] Error 1



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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 built from git fails

2017-06-28 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 06:53:30AM -0400, Outback Dingo wrote:
> -> Installing core RPM packages...
> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UBUWVQ: line 9: grep: command not found
> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.UBUWVQ: line 16: grep: command not found
> Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
> Failed to set locale, defaulting to C
> Package dnf-1.1.10-6.fc25.noarch is already installed, skipping.
> Package dnf-plugins-core-0.1.21-5.fc25.noarch is already installed, skipping.
> Running in chroot, ignoring request.
> groupadd: GID '0' already exists
> make[1]: *** 
> [/home/dingo/qubes-builder/qubes-src/builder-fedora/Makefile.fedora:81:
> /home/dingo/qubes-builder/chr
> oot-fc25/home/user/.prepared_base] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/dingo/qubes-builder'
> make: *** [Makefile:221: vmm-xen-dom0] Error 1
> [root@localhost qubes-builder]#

Run the build as normal user (it will use sudo where really necessary).

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 development status update

2016-12-05 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 03:55:45AM +, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
> On 12/05/2016 02:50 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> >
> > There are also still a couple of rough edges during installation/first
> > run. For
> > example "LVM thin" storage should be used, but currently it needs to be
> > selected manually (using custom partitioning option). And depending on
> > the disk
> > layout, it may require creating those partitions manually.
> >
> 
> Honestly, it would be so much better if Qubes OS did NOT use LVM, and
> used btrfs or ZFS instead.  LVM has no protection whatsoever against
> data corruption.  I hope the APIs are modular such that there is an
> implementable interface for storage backends which does not assume LVM
> is the only thing that underlies the system.  As a person using Qubes OS
> on top of ZFS, I would find myself in quite some trouble if that was not
> the case.

Yes, new modules can be easily added. You can see API documentation in
linked github issue (will be moved to qubes-doc later). Also adding
fs-based module should be quite easy, because we have also 'file'
storage module, for handling file based VM images. Should be easy to
build btrfs or zfs module based on it.

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 development status update

2016-12-05 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
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On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 11:19:41PM -0800, Vít Šesták wrote:
> I am interested about the implications of using HVMs. I know about the 
> introduced need of some CPU features, some changes under-the-hood and 
> potentiially better compatibility. But I am interested in some others:
> 
> 1. What will change about performance and memory-usage
> characteristics? I believe there will be just small (and maybe even
> positive) performance difference for CPU/RAM-related tasks. The
> difference for I/O will probably be rather low if any. There might be
> some differences for PCI latency, but I am unsure about them. Start of
> a VM will probably take slightly longer, because of the need of the
> stubdom. RAM usage will be also somewhat (how much?) higher because of
> the stubdom.

Your intuition is right. As for memory usage, stubdomain use about 50MB,
so not that much...

> 2. Security implications. When attacker has a QEMU 0day, HVM fails as
> a counter-measure against PV-related vulnerabilities. In such case,
> the attack scenario is even larger (both PV-only and HVM-only Xen
> vulnerabilities can be used).

We'll make this stubdomain as limited as possible, but still, some
things are unavoidable. 

> I remember you mentioned an idea about
> killing the stubdom in an early phase of the boot (probably even
> before mounting /rw), which would somehow mitigate some (most?)
> attacks. As a nice side-effect, it would also lower the memory usage.
> What's the current state of this countermeasure?

That would be nice indeed, but we haven't tried it yet. 

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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 development status update

2016-12-05 Thread Holger Levsen 
Hi Marek,

thanks for sharing this information. I found it quite interesting!
(and wouldnt mind to see such posts every 3 months or so…)


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Re: [qubes-devel] Qubes 4.0 development status update

2016-12-04 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) 
On 12/05/2016 02:50 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
>
> There are also still a couple of rough edges during installation/first
> run. For
> example "LVM thin" storage should be used, but currently it needs to be
> selected manually (using custom partitioning option). And depending on
> the disk
> layout, it may require creating those partitions manually.
>

Honestly, it would be so much better if Qubes OS did NOT use LVM, and
used btrfs or ZFS instead.  LVM has no protection whatsoever against
data corruption.  I hope the APIs are modular such that there is an
implementable interface for storage backends which does not assume LVM
is the only thing that underlies the system.  As a person using Qubes OS
on top of ZFS, I would find myself in quite some trouble if that was not
the case.

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