Re: [qubes-users] HCL -ASRock B560 Pro (NIC Intel I219-V unrecognised)

2021-05-27 Thread Sven Semmler

On 5/25/21 6:00 AM, t...@yvt.net.au wrote:

Machine purpose built to run Qubes
ASRock-B560Pro, Intel i5-11500


Thank you for your HCL report, which is now part of this pull request:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-hcl/pull/66

... and will be visible on the website soon!

/Sven

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Re: [qubes-users] MS Office 365 in Qubes

2021-05-27 Thread Sven Semmler
TLDR: installing O365 using CrossOver is a normal Linux thing and has 
nothing Qubes OS specific to it -- whatever works in a "normal" Linux 
will work on Qubes OS too; if done with a standard Debian/Fedora qube 
all Qubes OS features will work.



experience running CrossOver in Qubes


I don't have any experience running O365 in CrossOver, but have observed
others doing so on "normal" Linux installs (Mint, Ubuntu etc). They 
appeared satisfied.



Is it easy to get data in/out to other vms (via copy paste or file
transfer)?


It's a normal debian/fedora qube so all your Qubes features work. 
Wine/CrossOver is an emulation layer, which means there is no Windows 
clipboard but instead when the respective API gets invoked the contents 
lands in your linux clipboard (inside the qube). From there you use the 
normal shortcuts to transfer to/from dom0.


Sending/Receiving files works as always. Your Windows C: drive lives 
under ~/.wine/drive_c or something similar.


O365 is not and has never been my main concern, but I do have it
installed in a Windows 10 qube. The reason I need Windows has more to do
with proprietary automotive network analyzing tools for which I also
need USB (that doesn't work with CrossOver). So it was never really a
question for me.

My point to the OP was merely that if O365 is the ONLY reason to run
Windows, I'd go and download a free eval copy of CrossOver and try that
first before attempting to install an entire Windows qube. Also because
I suspect it'll be far lighter on resources and cheaper than buying a 
Windows license.


I'd recommend the same to you. It won't cost you a thing. Wine is FOSS 
and CrossOver is a somewhat more polished commercial version of it with 
a free evaluation. The reason I recommend it is that I expect it to work 
a bit smoother than the vanilla Wine for the installation. Although the 
Wine has also a package called Winetricks ... you could give that a try too.


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Re: [qubes-users] MS Office 365 in Qubes

2021-05-27 Thread 'Ryan Tate' via qubes-users
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 10:33:31 AM UTC-4 sv...@svensemmler.org wrote:

>
> https://github.com/elliotkillick/qvm-create-windows-qube 
>
> But if Office 365 Suite are the only windows apps you need I'd go for 
> CrossOver. 
>

 I'm very curious about your experience running CrossOver in Qubes Sven.

How stable and solid is it? How performant? Is it easy to get data in/out 
to other vms (via copy paste or file transfer)?

My worry is that it would be too many layers:

Qubes dom0 (Xen) -> AppVM (linux) -> CrossOver (Windows API translation) -> 
Office

But it sounds like it works for you? In Qubes?

I thought perhaps using a Win10 qube might be more direct and thus better, 
and also potentially more stable over a period of years (since you are not 
relying on Codeweavers to keep maintaining CrossOver by tracking the Win10 
API):

Qubes dom0 (Xen) -> AppVM (Win10) -> Office

but this seems to be tricky for people and the current state of qubes 
tooling on Win10 not good. So CrossOver holds some interest to me. I have 
similar issues with LibreOffice - it is a wonderful and miraculous body of 
code but I have found it is not good for collaborating with Office users 
(in my case, track changes causing crashes on both sides after several 
rounds of document exchange in Word/LibreWriter).

Thank you for any information

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Re: [EXT] [qubes-users] MS Office 365 in Qubes

2021-05-27 Thread Steve Coleman
On Wed, May 26, 2021, 5:21 PM William Oliver  wrote:

> On Wed, 2021-05-26 at 15:53 +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> >
> >
> > Office 365 _without_ MS-Windows? Are you kidding? Maybe Microsoft
> > provides it for other platforms, but _why_ would one use the
> > Microsoft
> > product? (I'm using OpenOffice/LibreOffice for years, and it's OK for
> > me)
>
> Normally, I create the presentation in LibreOffice and then take it to
> a place that runs Windows at work and fix the presentation there.  I
> retired from my normal job recently, so I can't do that any more, even
> though I still do presentations.  At the moment, my church is letting
> me use their computers for this, but I don't know that it will go on
> forever.
>

It may not address your immediate needs but the "Microsoft Nonprofit"
program can provide 10 free Office365 licenses for 10 years to any
qualifying nonprofit organization. If you got your church to qualify then
maybe they will set you up with a license? MS also allows unlimited binary
installs (PC, iOS, Android, etc) for each individuals assigned license plus
some discounts on the Win10 OS you could use as an AppVM. There is also
TechSoup.org which provides discounted software and refurbished hardware to
qualifying nonprofits.

I am also battling with the Office365 products on Qubes. If you want to
have  discussion off line please do not hesitate to reach out to me. I know
about the MS NonProfit  program because I have my own startup 501(c)(3) (
hdri.org) for doing medical research on a long ignored disease that has no
test, no cure, no statistics collected because nobody ever gets diagnosed,
and so currently it will never be funded for any research in humans. Your
dog can be easily tested and cured but you would likely get kicked out of
the clinic or ignored for even suggesting you might have this very same
disease. It's being treated exactly the same as Lyme disease was back on
the 60's. Will they ever learn?

Sorry for the tangential off topic discussion.

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