[qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
On 07/13/2017 08:25 PM, Alex wrote: On 07/14/2017 01:00 AM, Salmiakki wrote: The problem is that there are no yum sources for qubes-related things for fedora 26, as Foppe said, so the upgrade will likely fail and, in case you manage to complete the upgrade, you will be left with a non-updatable set of qubes software for a while. So where do people who make their own templates get these things? I started cloning the original fedora 24 template, which is already configured for the correct yum repositories, and upgraded that to 25. Since the yum config is dynamically expanded to the actual distro release number, it just works. I'm on Qubes R3.2, and I don't understand both why the fedora 25 template is missing from the 3.2 repository and why a user should wait for such a template to be available in the repository, while he/she could just clone the 24 and update that, if having a cutting-edge-stable system is important in their scenario (like, in mine it is so I did just that). If you start with a template from scratch you can either use the yum repositories or the debian ones, depending on what your distribution supports, or you can include a specific version of the tools you compile/make yourself - the vast majority of them is in Python, so there should be little trouble using them in another distro. If you do include a specific version updates will likely have to be manually detected and installed, unless you also set up a custom repository and package manager system and maintain that. Are you, by chance, saying that upgrading from F24-> F25, would be the same as how the docs say to do a F23->F24upgrade? If so, I guess people should be doing this ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ad1bca0b-450d-aee5-c8e4-da2b94281d97%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
On 07/14/2017 12:59 AM, Salmiakki wrote: > But those should work in 3.2 just fine, right? > Probably not; both because forcing the repository to the 4.0 will try to upgrade a lot of other system components, so the actual update may involve very convoluted command lines to avoid anything but the template, and because AFAIR the architecture for 4.0 should be different enough for the qubes-vm-tools not to work correctly (or at all, I don't know). It's strange that the templates are in one repo and not in the other, especially since fedora 25 works perfectly in qubes 3.2, and you can get that just upgrading the fedora 24 template. -- Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/923a9d20-7f10-e192-008a-7f66a9880f7a%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
On 07/14/2017 01:00 AM, Salmiakki wrote: >> The problem is that there are no yum sources for qubes-related things >> for fedora 26, as Foppe said, so the upgrade will likely fail and, in >> case you manage to complete the upgrade, you will be left with a >> non-updatable set of qubes software for a while. > > So where do people who make their own templates get these things? I started cloning the original fedora 24 template, which is already configured for the correct yum repositories, and upgraded that to 25. Since the yum config is dynamically expanded to the actual distro release number, it just works. I'm on Qubes R3.2, and I don't understand both why the fedora 25 template is missing from the 3.2 repository and why a user should wait for such a template to be available in the repository, while he/she could just clone the 24 and update that, if having a cutting-edge-stable system is important in their scenario (like, in mine it is so I did just that). If you start with a template from scratch you can either use the yum repositories or the debian ones, depending on what your distribution supports, or you can include a specific version of the tools you compile/make yourself - the vast majority of them is in Python, so there should be little trouble using them in another distro. If you do include a specific version updates will likely have to be manually detected and installed, unless you also set up a custom repository and package manager system and maintain that. -- Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/8e07a47a-58aa-6464-3180-d61e14d1b1d6%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
> The problem is that there are no yum sources for qubes-related things > for fedora 26, as Foppe said, so the upgrade will likely fail and, in > case you manage to complete the upgrade, you will be left with a > non-updatable set of qubes software for a while. So where do people who make their own templates get these things? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/b0d35ab6-9a3a-47ad-aa29-91f21032a91a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
But those should work in 3.2 just fine, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4d2b9477-9f35-40ef-b183-49b86339aaad%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 09:48:18AM +0200, Alex wrote: > On 07/11/2017 05:15 PM, Salmiakki wrote: > > So what is required to get a new template? If I understand correctly > > third parties create templates for other distros as well, right? > > > Yes, and you can also upgrade an existing template, and that's what I > usually do (because I tend to customize my templates, preferring the > wonders of multiple usable VM to anonimity). > > The problem is that there are no yum sources for qubes-related things > for fedora 26, as Foppe said, so the upgrade will likely fail and, in > case you manage to complete the upgrade, you will be left with a > non-updatable set of qubes software for a while. There are fedora-25 templates in the templates-itl repo for 4.0, but not yet for 3.2 what I can see... -- noor |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Noor Christensen |O|O|O| n...@fripost.org ~ 0x401DA1E0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20170712103919.rompahcmeym4pk44%40mail. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
On 07/11/2017 05:15 PM, Salmiakki wrote: > So what is required to get a new template? If I understand correctly > third parties create templates for other distros as well, right? > Yes, and you can also upgrade an existing template, and that's what I usually do (because I tend to customize my templates, preferring the wonders of multiple usable VM to anonimity). The problem is that there are no yum sources for qubes-related things for fedora 26, as Foppe said, so the upgrade will likely fail and, in case you manage to complete the upgrade, you will be left with a non-updatable set of qubes software for a while. -- Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e9659e02-911a-d928-0d38-dbe0ff60acb4%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
So what is required to get a new template? If I understand correctly third parties create templates for other distros as well, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/92eb354f-d593-432d-96e2-5ce50327df21%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: How do I upgrade to Fedora 26?
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:06:44 PM UTC+2, Salmiakki wrote: > Since it just came out I would like to know if it is safe to upgrade or if > there are specific things that should be taken into account. > > Can the same instruction as for the upgrade from 23 to 24 be used? You can if/when a fc26 folder appears here: https://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/yum/r3.2/current-testing/vm/ (But don't hold your breath. :) ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/03dd99a7-5a5c-4f06-a436-e17fddffcddb%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
