Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[Rob]

William Unruh  wrote:
> On 2015-01-09, trackeroft...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> What do you mean "It is branded?" And why is that a problem?
>>
>> Hello William,
>>
>> 1. The installer is branded:
>> http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html
>
> I still have no idea what you are talking about. Meinberg, a company,
> makes available for free a version of ntp compiled to run on Windows. 
> What is branded about that? 

"branded" means that the name and/or logo of that company/brand appears on
the screen during the installation phase and maybe later is left in some
files on the system.

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Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[Jan Ceuleers]

On 09/01/15 15:58, trackeroft...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for compiled NTP 4.2.8 for Windows. I know Meinberg's version but 
> unfortunately it is branded.
> Does anybody know such binary package?
> I want to avoid compiling it by myself if I can.
> 
> best regards
> Johny

Johny,

What Meinberg have done is to (1) compile ntpd and (2) wrap it into an
installer. Because the upstream ntpd does not include a Windows installer.

It would also be possible to just take the binaries (for example the
ones David makes available), manually put them in the right places on
the Windows machine, manually set the thing up as a service, etc. In
other words, to manually do the work of an installer.

Your choice.

HTH, Jan
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Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[trackeroftime]

> Assuming it's something like 4.2.8p1-beta5:
> 
> 4.2.8P1BetaN are newer than 4.2.8 but they're not release candidates like
> 4.2.8.pN-RCm will be.
> 
> You can see the 4.2  releases here: .

Thanks Paul for the explanation. Now it is clear. RCm is pre, betaM is post. So 
now the version can be defined by 4 digits: x.y.zpN.
Where can I find changelog for the p1 and betas?
I can't find it here:
http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/NEWS

best regards
Johny

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Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[David Taylor]

On 10/01/2015 15:08, trackeroft...@gmail.com wrote:
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Where can I find changelog for the p1 and betas?
I can't find it here:
http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/NEWS

best regards
Johny


http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ChangeLog-stable-rc

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Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[Martin Burnicki]

Jan,

I'm just replying to your post because it the most recent one in this 
thread.


Jan Ceuleers wrote:

On 09/01/15 15:58, trackeroft...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

I'm looking for compiled NTP 4.2.8 for Windows. I know Meinberg's version but 
unfortunately it is branded.
Does anybody know such binary package?
I want to avoid compiling it by myself if I can.

best regards
Johny


Johny,

What Meinberg have done is to (1) compile ntpd and (2) wrap it into an
installer. Because the upstream ntpd does not include a Windows installer.


Right.

There is no branding in the NTP binaries. The only branding is in the 
installer.


For those who don't know: I'm the person at Meinberg who builds the 
binaries, the whole intention of the installer is just to simplify 
installation under Windows. I'm just writing this from home.


Here is a some clarification:

The stock 4.2.8 version didn't compile under Windows. I had to do some 
changes to the Visual Studio project files (which are part of the NTP 
source code) to get this done. A "define" had to be added to the 
config.h file, and a new source code .c module hat to be added to the 
libntp project file. That's all. The changes have been submitted to the 
NTP source tree and are now in the current version of the repo.


Soon there will be a patch version 4.2.8p1 which fixes a few more build 
problems. Actually there are BETA versions of the p1 versions available 
which can be tested to be sure p1 compiles properly.


Please note that beside the NTP binaries you also need the openssl DLL 
in the version against which the binaries have been built, otherwise 
ntpd fails to start.



It would also be possible to just take the binaries (for example the
ones David makes available), manually put them in the right places on
the Windows machine, manually set the thing up as a service, etc. In
other words, to manually do the work of an installer.


Right.

There is no branding in the NTP binaries. The only branding is in the 
installer.


For those who don't know: I'm the person at Meinberg who builds the 
binaries, the whole intention of the installer is just to simplify 
installation under Windows.


Here is a some clarification:

The stock 4.2.8 version didn't compile under Windows. I had to do some 
changes to the Visual Studio project files (which are part of the NTP 
source code) to get this done. A "define" had to be added to the 
config.h file, and a new source code .c module hat to be added to the 
libntp project file. That's all. The changes have been submitted to the 
NTP source tree and are now in the current version of the repo.


Soon there will be a patch version 4.2.8p1 which fixes a few more build 
problems. Actually there are BETA versions of the p1 versions available 
which can be tested to be sure p1 compiles properly.


Please note that beside the NTP binaries you also need the openssl DLL 
in the version against which the binaries have been built, otherwise 
ntpd fails to start.



Your choice.


Jepp.

Martin

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Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[Danny Mayer]

On 1/10/2015 10:08 AM, trackeroft...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Assuming it's something like 4.2.8p1-beta5:
>>
>> 4.2.8P1BetaN are newer than 4.2.8 but they're not release candidates like
>> 4.2.8.pN-RCm will be.
>>
>> You can see the 4.2  releases here: .
> 
> Thanks Paul for the explanation. Now it is clear. RCm is pre, betaM is post. 
> So now the version can be defined by 4 digits: x.y.zpN.
> Where can I find changelog for the p1 and betas?
> I can't find it here:
> http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/NEWS
> 
> best regards
> Johny

There was a last minute change to the code before the release of NTP
4.2.8 and as a result it didn't build on Windows. The beta's are mainly
to fix the problem with the Windows build. 4.2.8p1 should be released in
a week or so as soon as we can be sure that it is working properly.

To correct your above statement, beta's are prior to Release Candidates
(RC).

Danny

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Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[David Taylor]

On 09/01/2015 23:55, trackeroft...@gmail.com wrote:

What do you mean "It is branded?" And why is that a problem?


Hello William,

1. The installer is branded:
http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html
2. The installer makes a lot of things. I need pure final and stable ntp.

best regards
Johny


Johny,

Just to be clear, I do not supply the installer, but I do provide 
screen-shots of using the Meinberg installer for those who find it useful.


I have no hesitation in recommending the Meinberg installer for users 
first install of NTP, as it sets up the service, firewall & NTP user 
etc.  You would need to do all those things in your own code - perhaps 
using InnoSetup - but why reinvent the wheel?


There will never be a "final" NTP, just increasingly recent stable and 
development versions.  I suggest installing the Meinberg 4.2.8 now:



http://www.meinbergglobal.com/download/ntp/windows/ntp-4.2.8-win32-setup.exe

4.2.8p1 should be one you can compile yourself - it's quite easy, 
actually under Windows, and it's simpler and much faster than under 
Linux or FreeBSD.


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Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

[William Unruh]

On 2015-01-10, Rob  wrote:
> William Unruh  wrote:
>> On 2015-01-09, trackeroft...@gmail.com  wrote:
 What do you mean "It is branded?" And why is that a problem?
>>>
>>> Hello William,
>>>
>>> 1. The installer is branded:
>>> http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html
>>
>> I still have no idea what you are talking about. Meinberg, a company,
>> makes available for free a version of ntp compiled to run on Windows. 
>> What is branded about that? 
>
> "branded" means that the name and/or logo of that company/brand appears on
> the screen during the installation phase and maybe later is left in some
> files on the system.

And this is a problem why? (Note that ntpd runs in the background, so
there is nowhere for the logo to show). The name of the University of
Delaware, a company, also remains in files on the system. 
And you could always do a search of the installed files for the name Meinberg, 

It thus sounds of my three options, the best for you would be not to run
ntpd.

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