[ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread Schmidt, Bryan
Good day,

 

Normally my team uses the "ntpstat" utility to check that systems are in
sync and so on.  Usually we use the one provided by our OS vendor, but
in a particular case we require the latest stable ntpd build because of
a bugfix that affects some of our systems.  The "old" build of ntpstat
does not work with latest stable ntpd, I assume because of some sort of
data structure change.

 

Can someone point me to the authoritative location for ntpstat source
code?  Search engines have not served me well in this regard, to much
confusion with the "ntpstats" directory.

 

Thank you,

-Bryan


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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2011-02-03, Schmidt, Bryan  wrote:

> Can someone point me to the authoritative location for ntpstat source
> code?  Search engines have not served me well in this regard, to much
> confusion with the "ntpstats" directory.

http://people.redhat.com/rkeech/#ntpstat

I'm adding this to http://support.ntp.org/links

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread Richard B. Gilbert

On 2/2/2011 7:07 PM, Schmidt, Bryan wrote:

Good day,



Normally my team uses the "ntpstat" utility to check that systems are in
sync and so on.  Usually we use the one provided by our OS vendor, but
in a particular case we require the latest stable ntpd build because of
a bugfix that affects some of our systems.  The "old" build of ntpstat
does not work with latest stable ntpd, I assume because of some sort of
data structure change.



Can someone point me to the authoritative location for ntpstat source
code?  Search engines have not served me well in this regard, to much
confusion with the "ntpstats" directory.





See:  http://www.ntp.org/  for links to source code, documentation, etc.

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 05:07:19PM -0700, Schmidt, Bryan wrote:
> Normally my team uses the "ntpstat" utility to check that systems are in
> sync and so on.  Usually we use the one provided by our OS vendor, but
> in a particular case we require the latest stable ntpd build because of
> a bugfix that affects some of our systems.  The "old" build of ntpstat
> does not work with latest stable ntpd, I assume because of some sort of
> data structure change.

The ntpstat code needs update, because some variables reported by ntpd
were renamed. Apply ntpstat-0.2-sysvars.patch from here

http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=ntp.git;a=tree

the other ntpstat-* patches might be useful too.

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread Schmidt, Bryan
Thank you gentlemen.  Patches and the new link on ntp.org are exactly
what I needed.

-Bryan
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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread David Lord

Schmidt, Bryan wrote:

Good day,

 


Normally my team uses the "ntpstat" utility to check that systems are in
sync and so on.  Usually we use the one provided by our OS vendor, but
in a particular case we require the latest stable ntpd build because of
a bugfix that affects some of our systems.  The "old" build of ntpstat
does not work with latest stable ntpd, I assume because of some sort of
data structure change.

 


Can someone point me to the authoritative location for ntpstat source
code?  Search engines have not served me well in this regard, to much
confusion with the "ntpstats" directory.



The ntpd distribution has a scripts directory with one of the
files being 'ntp-status' 1042 bytes dated Oct 9 2001. It doesn't
run on my system due to unsuitable paths.

David

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread unruh
On 2011-02-03, Schmidt, Bryan  wrote:
> Thank you gentlemen.  Patches and the new link on ntp.org are exactly
> what I needed.
>
> -Bryan

Could you please remover the following stuff from your postings on the
net? It is totally inappropriate ( or do you really waht the 500
people who do not want to read your post to email you and notify you,
and do you really want the newgroup repostories to erase your copies
immediately?)

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Albertson
Not only is it inappropriate is it complete bull+++t.   The short of
it is that contracts are only valid if both parties agree that they
are valid so you can't put one on the end of  emails and expect it to
"stick".  What if I were wrong?

OK just in case I'm wrong,,,

Be reading this email you agree to the following:  The reader shall on
the second Tuesday of each month run naked through a city park and
scream loudly "Zombies are attacking! Zombies are attacking!"

Gosh it would be fun it email footers were binding on readers.




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Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California
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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread David Woolley

unruh wrote:

On 2011-02-03, Schmidt, Bryan  wrote:

Thank you gentlemen.  Patches and the new link on ntp.org are exactly
what I needed.

-Bryan


Could you please remover the following stuff from your postings on the


Referring to bogus confidentiality notices.

Unfortunately, many professional bodies tell their members that it is 
legally unsafe to do otherwise than include these notices.  If I posted 
from my office, I would have one.  There is no point in asking IT to 
suppress it, as the directive comes from the MD, an accountant, who is 
acting on the advice of a professional accountancy organisation.  I try 
to post from home, and if not, I disclaim the confidentiality part of 
the disclaimer.


In practice recipients ignore them, rather than reporting the breach, 
however I would certainly argue that their inappropriate use devalues 
their proper use, as they are only useful where the recipient has some 
reasonable doubt about the confidentiality, and their use in public 
forums means they are used when the material isn't confidential, so 
someone in a borderline case will reasonably assume that that was one of 
those inappropriate use cases.


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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread Uwe Klein

Chris Albertson wrote:

Not only is it inappropriate is it complete bull+++t.   The short of
it is that contracts are only valid if both parties agree that they
are valid so you can't put one on the end of  emails and expect it to
"stick".  What if I were wrong?

OK just in case I'm wrong,,,

Be reading this email you agree to the following:  The reader shall on
the second Tuesday of each month run naked through a city park and
scream loudly "Zombies are attacking! Zombies are attacking!"

Gosh it would be fun it email footers were binding on readers.


Don't look at though!
http://www.lyricsbox.com/ray-stevens-lyrics-the-streak-nsktj67.html
;-)


usually due to some overbearing and undereducated legal department.
you would invert the Earth magnetic field with less hassle
than changing their minds.

uwe

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread John Hasler
Chris Albertson wrote:
> Not only is it inappropriate is it complete bull+++t.   The short of
> it is that contracts are only valid if both parties agree that they
> are valid so you can't put one on the end of  emails and expect it to
> "stick".

In certain limited contexts these things actually do serve a purpose.
If a lawyer on one side of a legal dispute accidently emails a
confidential document to a lawyer on the other side the presence of such
a disclaimer can prevent the document from being used in court.  Lawyers
evidently figure that the things can do no harm in contexts where they
don't apply, not realizing how irritating they are to normal people.

At least this one requests that you delete the message rather than
purporting to order you to do so.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread Schmidt, Bryan
Sorry to have offended some of you, corp email system appends that
whether I like it or not.  Next time I'll ask my question from a
different email account.

Try not to get so worked up unruh / Chris!



-Original Message-
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[mailto:questions-bounces+bryan.schmidt=travelport@lists.ntp.org] On
Behalf Of John Hasler
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:16 AM
To: questions@lists.ntp.org
Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

Chris Albertson wrote:
> Not only is it inappropriate is it complete bull+++t.   The short of
> it is that contracts are only valid if both parties agree that they
> are valid so you can't put one on the end of  emails and expect it to
> "stick".

In certain limited contexts these things actually do serve a purpose.
If a lawyer on one side of a legal dispute accidently emails a
confidential document to a lawyer on the other side the presence of such
a disclaimer can prevent the document from being used in court.  Lawyers
evidently figure that the things can do no harm in contexts where they
don't apply, not realizing how irritating they are to normal people.

At least this one requests that you delete the message rather than
purporting to order you to do so.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Albertson
>
> Unfortunately, many professional bodies tell their members that it is
> legally unsafe to do otherwise than include these notices.  If I posted from
> my office, I would have one.  There is no point in asking IT to suppress it,


We can ask that people don't post from email accounts that append such
nonsense to outgoing messages.  It is very easy and free to get a
gmail or yahoo mail account.

One can also add an excerpt of the annoying text to one's spam filters
and never see email from that sender again.


-- 
=
Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California
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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread David Woolley

Chris Albertson wrote:

nonsense to outgoing messages.  It is very easy and free to get a
gmail or yahoo mail account.


At least in the past, they were blocked from the office, as inbound mail 
through them would bypass the email virus checker.


As it probably wasn't made clear.  These are not about forming a 
contract, but about denying people a defence that they didn't know the 
message was confidential.  Of course, misusing it, gives them that 
defence back.


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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread John Hasler
David Woolley writes:
> As it probably wasn't made clear.  These are not about forming a
> contract, but about denying people a defence that they didn't know the
> message was confidential.

But if they are unrelated third parties they need no defense (at least
in the USA).  In circumstances such as these we can simply ignore the
silly things.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread unruh
On 2011-02-04, Schmidt, Bryan  wrote:
> Sorry to have offended some of you, corp email system appends that
> whether I like it or not.  Next time I'll ask my question from a
> different email account.
>
> Try not to get so worked up unruh / Chris!

Not worked up, just astonished and disgusted. And I have discovered that
one of the rules of the world is that if you do not complain things do
not change. It takes work to reduce entropy.

>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: questions-bounces+bryan.schmidt=travelport@lists.ntp.org
> [mailto:questions-bounces+bryan.schmidt=travelport@lists.ntp.org] On
> Behalf Of John Hasler
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:16 AM
> To: questions@lists.ntp.org
> Subject: Re: ntpstat source code master location?
>
> Chris Albertson wrote:
>> Not only is it inappropriate is it complete bull+++t.   The short of
>> it is that contracts are only valid if both parties agree that they
>> are valid so you can't put one on the end of  emails and expect it to
>> "stick".
>
> In certain limited contexts these things actually do serve a purpose.
> If a lawyer on one side of a legal dispute accidently emails a
> confidential document to a lawyer on the other side the presence of such
> a disclaimer can prevent the document from being used in court.  Lawyers
> evidently figure that the things can do no harm in contexts where they
> don't apply, not realizing how irritating they are to normal people.
>
> At least this one requests that you delete the message rather than
> purporting to order you to do so.

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread unruh
On 2011-02-04, John Hasler  wrote:
> David Woolley writes:
>> As it probably wasn't made clear.  These are not about forming a
>> contract, but about denying people a defence that they didn't know the
>> message was confidential.
>
> But if they are unrelated third parties they need no defense (at least
> in the USA).  In circumstances such as these we can simply ignore the
> silly things.

Yes, but in case an email actually IS sent to someone and is supposed
to be confidential, the recipient can point to the posting with that
message on netnews, and show that that notice is actually meaningless
since it is attached to stuff which is clearly not confidential, and
thus by misuse they have negated the whole purpose of the message.

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Re: [ntp:questions] ntpstat source code master location?

2011-02-04 Thread Harlan Stenn
Sigh.
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