Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for this information; I just e-mailed them. The reason I use Tardis is that I found that the WinXP ntp capability ran too infrequently, and the time drifted too much. I saw no way to change alter the WinXP time capability, and Tardis is a quick and easy solution. If you're using Windows Time Service, you probably want to specify ,0x8 after your NTP server name or IP address. By default, it uses a fixed poll interval of one hour, and contacts the server time.windows.com. The ,0x8 directs w32time to make a standard client-mode association, and adjust the polling frequency as needed. I generally observe offsets of 16 ms or less with that configuration (16ms is essentially the limit of w32time's precision). See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263.aspx for more information if you choose to go that route. As Danny said, the reference implementation of ntp will be more precise, and he linked to Meinberg's excellent simple Windows installer for ntpd in a previous message. -- RPM ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:24:03 +, Danny Mayer wrote: [...] While it is natural to ask questions about tardis here I don't remember the last time anyone asked anything here about the product. There have been lots of complaints about tardis's bad behavior at one time but I believe all of those have been corrected. Except for the unexpected WAN attempt, TARDIS has been working fine on my Win2k system for years. Having said that I would guess that there is something wrong with your DNS lookup. [...] Not a DNS problem. There are no DNS servers on my LAN. The local NTP server is defined in the hosts file. You are better off installing the free Windows version of ntp reference implementation in which case you would get lots of answers here. Why pay for something that you can get for free and for that matter is far better even on Windows? Check out Meinberg's installer here: http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm and you will never look back. I don't remember whether I paid for it; I think that they have a free download. As for far better, while I have no experience with the product you mention, my general experience with Windows would not lead me to expect anything to be far better. Danny Mike. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
On 2009-02-17, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:24:03 +, Danny Mayer wrote: You are better off installing the free Windows version of ntp reference implementation in which case you would get lots of answers here. Why pay for something that you can get for free and for that matter is far better even on Windows? Check out Meinberg's installer here: http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm and you will never look back. I don't remember whether I paid for it; I think that they have a free download. If you have questions about TardisNT's behavior the best source of answers is the author of that software. Most of the people who frequent this news-group use NTP from www.ntp.org. As for far better, while I have no experience with the product you mention, The link that Danny posted is for a Windows port of The NTP Reference Implementation from www.ntp.org. The NTP Reference Implementation is the original implementation of NTP. It has been in active development for over 20 years. More information is available at http://www.ntp.org/ and http://support.ntp.org/ -- Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org NTP Public Services Project - http://support.ntp.org/ ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
[ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
I run tardisnt on my WinXP boxes. They have only one time server specified, and is on my LAN. Unexpectedly today tardisnt tried to access the WAN. (It was blocked by ZoneAlarm.) Why might it have tried this? If you know a better place to ask this question, please let me know. Thanks, Mike. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
On 2009-02-16, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: I run tardisnt on my WinXP boxes. They have only one time server specified, and is on my LAN. Unexpectedly today tardisnt tried to access the WAN. (It was blocked by ZoneAlarm.) Why might it have tried this? If you know a better place to ask this question, please let me know. http://www.kaska.demon.co.uk/ -- Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org NTP Public Services Project - http://support.ntp.org/ ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:43:01 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2009-02-16, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: I run tardisnt on my WinXP boxes. They have only one time server specified, and is on my LAN. Unexpectedly today tardisnt tried to access the WAN. (It was blocked by ZoneAlarm.) Why might it have tried this? If you know a better place to ask this question, please let me know. http://www.kaska.demon.co.uk/ I didn't find an answer to my question there. Mike. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
On 2009-02-17, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:43:01 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2009-02-16, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: I run tardisnt on my WinXP boxes. They have only one time server specified, and is on my LAN. Unexpectedly today tardisnt tried to access the WAN. (It was blocked by ZoneAlarm.) Why might it have tried this? If you know a better place to ask this question, please let me know. http://www.kaska.demon.co.uk/ That's the manufacturer's web-site. They ought to be able to tell you why their product is aparently phoning home. -- Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org NTP Public Services Project - http://support.ntp.org/ ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
Mike -- Email Ignored wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:43:01 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: On 2009-02-16, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: I run tardisnt on my WinXP boxes. They have only one time server specified, and is on my LAN. Unexpectedly today tardisnt tried to access the WAN. (It was blocked by ZoneAlarm.) Why might it have tried this? If you know a better place to ask this question, please let me know. http://www.kaska.demon.co.uk/ I didn't find an answer to my question there. Mike. While it is natural to ask questions about tardis here I don't remember the last time anyone asked anything here about the product. There have been lots of complaints about tardis's bad behavior at one time but I believe all of those have been corrected. Having said that I would guess that there is something wrong with your DNS lookup. Check your settings: ipconfig/all from the DOS prompt and try and decide whether or not the DNS servers listed belong to your ISP (assuming this is personal) ot your business (assuming this is inside your office). There have been a number of attacks recently affecting DHCP provisioning which causes (among other things) the DNS servers to be replaced with rogue DNS Servers. Check for the Trojan.Flush.M virus. You are better off installing the free Windows version of ntp reference implementation in which case you would get lots of answers here. Why pay for something that you can get for free and for that matter is far better even on Windows? Check out Meinberg's installer here: http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm and you will never look back. Danny ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:35:06 +, malayter wrote: On Feb 16, 2009 6:49pm, Mike -- Email Ignored m_d_berger_1...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.kaska.demon.co.uk/ I didn't find an answer to my question there. Tardis is commercial software. Presumably, you paid for it, and you can receive vendor support. The vendor has an email address on thier site for just such an eventuality: supp...@kaska.demon.co.uk If you can't get help there, I would suggest dropping Tardis entirely, and start using the free Windows Time Service included with Windows XP. Or use the reference implementation ntpd, which is more complicated, but is also more precise and has many more features. Hostorically, this list/newsgroup has genreally been about the network protocol NTP itself, and the reference implementation of that protocol, ntpd. Other implementations are discussed as well, usually with regards to protocol interoperability. Very few people here seem to use Tardis, especially since Windows Time Service was introduced and included with Windows 2000. Thanks for this information; I just e-mailed them. The reason I use Tardis is that I found that the WinXP ntp capability ran too infrequently, and the time drifted too much. I saw no way to change alter the WinXP time capability, and Tardis is a quick and easy solution. Mike. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] tardisnt unexpected WAN access
Danny Mayer wrote: [] If that is the case you are probably better off using the reference implementation of ntp which disciplines your clock on an ongoing basis by adjusting the frequency of the clock and not just sets the time. I can't tell for sure but I believe that Tardis just sets the time and does not adjust the clock frequency in order for it to remain in synch. I remember contacting Chris over 10 years ago about Tardis but it was not about that kind of detail. Danny Tardis does include a frequency adjustment. However, as NTP is now easy to install and use on Windows, offers better performance than either Tardis or the Windows built-in software, and is free, I see not reason not to simply install NTP. Download a click-and-go installer here: http://www.meinberg.de/english/sw/ntp.htm Cheers, David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
