Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[oliver]

Hello,

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:14:07PM -0500, David B. Dahl wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Regarding whether xtable is still maintained, yes, but at a minimal level.
>  I am committed to ensuring that it passes the tests on the latest version
> of R, but I am having difficulty finding the time and interest in
> incorporating new features.
[...]


I also missed some features.
I have written my own R-code for circumvent this, but
it would be better toi enhance xtable, because
the functionality otherwise would split into package-code and "user-code".

So it would be better to incorporate some more features.

If someone would want to take over maintenance, I had some feature wishes...


Ciao,
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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[oliver]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:24:49AM -0700, Spencer Graves wrote:
> On 9/10/2011 10:19 AM, oliver wrote:
> >On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 07:40:24AM -0700, Spencer Graves wrote:
> >>
> >>On 9/10/2011 6:06 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:
> >>>
> >>>On 10.09.2011 13:26, Alastair wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
[...]

long beard shaved away ;-)


[...]
> >If Rforge is the devel-hosting platform, but R-CRAN is the platform where 
> >packages
> >should be downloadet from (at least it seems to be the default for install),
> >then from time to time packages should be copied to R-CRAN, so that there the
> >progress one day will pop up - maybe with a delay, and only hosting well 
> >tested
> >packages.
> 
> Exactly:  R-Forge -> (log in and select a package for which you are
> a maintainer or admin) -> "R packages" -> "[Submit this package to
> CRAN]" ->  (answer the questions) -> submit --- but only when you
> feel the new version is ready.
[...]


I think, often things become unsupported, because
too much overhead is annoying.
But this sounds very good / supporting.

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[Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[David B. Dahl]

Hello,

Regarding whether xtable is still maintained, yes, but at a minimal level.
 I am committed to ensuring that it passes the tests on the latest version
of R, but I am having difficulty finding the time and interest in
incorporating new features.  So, I'd be very glad if someone would like to
take over as the maintainer.  In fact, a few weeks ago I sent the following
e-mail to Kurt Hornik:

Kurt,

I am the original author and maintainer of the xtable package first
released in 2000.  Judging by the reverse dependencies and its common
use with Sweave, the popularity of my xtable far exceeded my
expectations.

xtable does everything I need (and more!), but I still get occasional
requests for new features, etc.  I find that I have little time and
interest in extending it much further.  I am happy to continue to make
sure it passes the checks with new releases of R, but I wonder if the
community would be served by a new maintainer.  I read the document
here:

http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/Orphaned/README

Do you have any further suggestions for a smooth transition?

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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[Uwe Ligges]

I think posting this to R-devel was a good idea. In any case, the new 
maintainer should be aware about the many dependencies and that she or 
he should be careful not to break code of others when updating.


Thank you for your contributions!!!

Best wishes,
Uwe Ligges





On 10.09.2011 19:14, David B. Dahl wrote:

Hello,

Regarding whether xtable is still maintained, yes, but at a minimal
level.  I am committed to ensuring that it passes the tests on the
latest version of R, but I am having difficulty finding the time and
interest in incorporating new features.  So, I'd be very glad if someone
would like to take over as the maintainer.  In fact, a few weeks ago I
sent the following e-mail to Kurt Hornik:

Kurt,

I am the original author and maintainer of the xtable package first
released in 2000.  Judging by the reverse dependencies and its common
use with Sweave, the popularity of my xtable far exceeded my
expectations.

xtable does everything I need (and more!), but I still get occasional
requests for new features, etc.  I find that I have little time and
interest in extending it much further.  I am happy to continue to make
sure it passes the checks with new releases of R, but I wonder if the
community would be served by a new maintainer.  I read the document
here:

http://cran.r-project.org/src/contrib/Orphaned/README

Do you have any further suggestions for a smooth transition?

-- David

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Department of Statistics
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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[Gabor Grothendieck]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:19 PM, oliver  wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 07:40:24AM -0700, Spencer Graves wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2011 6:06 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >On 10.09.2011 13:26, Alastair wrote:
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
>> >>maintained? The last update to the CRAN was about 2 years ago.
>> >>Earlier in
>> >>the year I found I wanted to use the short caption option of
>> >>LaTeX tables to
>> >>display an abridged title in my table of contents. It was a relatively
>> >>simple change to get xtable to support this. I bundled up my changes and
>> >>sent the maintainer David B. Dahl an email and I got absolutely
>> >>no response?
>> >
>> >Try to "ping" - at least I do so in this case. No response would
>> >be unfortunate, of course.
>>
>>
>>       David B. Dahl still has a web site as an Associate Professor
>> at Texas A&M U.
>> >
>> >
>> >>What's the etiquette for this kind of situation? I think he's done a
>> >>sterling job maintaining a really useful package; I wanted to help and
>> >>contribute to the community but if he's not doing it anymore how
>> >>can anyone
>> >>get their improvements / bug fixes into circulation?
>> >
>> >xtable's DESCRIPTION file says
>> >
>> >License:            GPL (>= 2)
>> >
>> >so go ahead in case you do not get a response.
>> >
>> >Best,
>> >Uwe Ligges
>>
>>
>>      xtable has a long list of reverse depends, imports, suggests
>> and enhances, so many people clearly think it's useful.
>>
>>
>>       My preference is to encourage the maintainer(s) to migrate the
>> project to R-Forge where others can help maintain it and add
> [...]
>
> AFAIK xtable was also there available, but looking it up via search function
> it seems not to be the case.
> So I may have mixed up it with a different package... hmhhh ah, I think it
> was zoo-package. Hmhh, yes, I think zoo... and the r-forge zoo-package allows
> rollapply() also on any data type, wheras the older r-cran zoo only allowed
> rollapply() to zoo-dataytpe (at lkeast at that time when I compared both 
> packages).

That has since become the CRAN version of zoo:

> library(zoo)
> rollapply(1:10, 3, sum)
[1]  6  9 12 15 18 21 24 27
> packageVersion("zoo")
[1] ‘1.7.4’


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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[Spencer Graves]

On 9/10/2011 10:19 AM, oliver wrote:

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 07:40:24AM -0700, Spencer Graves wrote:


On 9/10/2011 6:06 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:


On 10.09.2011 13:26, Alastair wrote:

Hi,

I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
maintained? The last update to the CRAN was about 2 years ago.
Earlier in
the year I found I wanted to use the short caption option of
LaTeX tables to
display an abridged title in my table of contents. It was a relatively
simple change to get xtable to support this. I bundled up my changes and
sent the maintainer David B. Dahl an email and I got absolutely
no response?

Try to "ping" - at least I do so in this case. No response would
be unfortunate, of course.


   David B. Dahl still has a web site as an Associate Professor
at Texas A&M U.



What's the etiquette for this kind of situation? I think he's done a
sterling job maintaining a really useful package; I wanted to help and
contribute to the community but if he's not doing it anymore how
can anyone
get their improvements / bug fixes into circulation?

xtable's DESCRIPTION file says

License:GPL (>= 2)

so go ahead in case you do not get a response.

Best,
Uwe Ligges


  xtable has a long list of reverse depends, imports, suggests
and enhances, so many people clearly think it's useful.


   My preference is to encourage the maintainer(s) to migrate the
project to R-Forge where others can help maintain it and add

[...]

AFAIK xtable was also there available, but looking it up via search function
it seems not to be the case.
So I may have mixed up it with a different package... hmhhh ah, I think it
was zoo-package. Hmhh, yes, I think zoo... and the r-forge zoo-package allows
rollapply() also on any data type, wheras the older r-cran zoo only allowed
rollapply() to zoo-dataytpe (at lkeast at that time when I compared both 
packages).


If Rforge is the devel-hosting platform, but R-CRAN is the platform where 
packages
should be downloadet from (at least it seems to be the default for install),
then from time to time packages should be copied to R-CRAN, so that there the
progress one day will pop up - maybe with a delay, and only hosting well tested
packages.


Exactly:  R-Forge -> (log in and select a package for which you are a 
maintainer or admin) -> "R packages" -> "[Submit this package to CRAN]" 
->  (answer the questions) -> submit --- but only when you feel the new 
version is ready.



Spencer


Something like "testing" and "stable" in Debian's distribution concept
for the R-packages.

It seems the R-Forge issue is not so well known.

First time when I heard of R-forge is some months ago,
and it was via #R channel on freenode, which I also can
recommend for fast communication.


Ciao,
Oliver



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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[oliver]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 07:40:24AM -0700, Spencer Graves wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/10/2011 6:06 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:
> >
> >
> >On 10.09.2011 13:26, Alastair wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
> >>maintained? The last update to the CRAN was about 2 years ago.
> >>Earlier in
> >>the year I found I wanted to use the short caption option of
> >>LaTeX tables to
> >>display an abridged title in my table of contents. It was a relatively
> >>simple change to get xtable to support this. I bundled up my changes and
> >>sent the maintainer David B. Dahl an email and I got absolutely
> >>no response?
> >
> >Try to "ping" - at least I do so in this case. No response would
> >be unfortunate, of course.
> 
> 
>   David B. Dahl still has a web site as an Associate Professor
> at Texas A&M U.
> >
> >
> >>What's the etiquette for this kind of situation? I think he's done a
> >>sterling job maintaining a really useful package; I wanted to help and
> >>contribute to the community but if he's not doing it anymore how
> >>can anyone
> >>get their improvements / bug fixes into circulation?
> >
> >xtable's DESCRIPTION file says
> >
> >License:GPL (>= 2)
> >
> >so go ahead in case you do not get a response.
> >
> >Best,
> >Uwe Ligges
> 
> 
>  xtable has a long list of reverse depends, imports, suggests
> and enhances, so many people clearly think it's useful.
> 
> 
>   My preference is to encourage the maintainer(s) to migrate the
> project to R-Forge where others can help maintain it and add
[...]

AFAIK xtable was also there available, but looking it up via search function
it seems not to be the case.
So I may have mixed up it with a different package... hmhhh ah, I think it
was zoo-package. Hmhh, yes, I think zoo... and the r-forge zoo-package allows
rollapply() also on any data type, wheras the older r-cran zoo only allowed
rollapply() to zoo-dataytpe (at lkeast at that time when I compared both 
packages).


If Rforge is the devel-hosting platform, but R-CRAN is the platform where 
packages
should be downloadet from (at least it seems to be the default for install),
then from time to time packages should be copied to R-CRAN, so that there the
progress one day will pop up - maybe with a delay, and only hosting well tested
packages.

Something like "testing" and "stable" in Debian's distribution concept
for the R-packages.

It seems the R-Forge issue is not so well known.

First time when I heard of R-forge is some months ago,
and it was via #R channel on freenode, which I also can
recommend for fast communication.


Ciao,
   Oliver

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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[Jeffrey Ryan]

I would be leery of just taking over as maintainer if a package still
works and passes all checks on CRAN.

My personal take is that even commercial packages ignore feature
requests, and to expect such from an OSS one is expecting too much.
Of course patches are welcomed, but they can't honestly be expected to
be committed.  Even if they are they may be a low priority for the
maintainer/author - be it for style, design, or
implementation/maintenance purposes.

My suggestion would be to continue to ask, but if that doesn't work
simply build an extension that others might be able to use with xtable
in this case (xtableExtras??). In the absolute last case I would fork
it if you feel the need and the intense desire to maintain a whole new
version.  The caveat of adding another package that duplicates, but
only adds one feature (however amazing you think), isn't likely to be
helpful to the entire R universe - in fact it is likely harmful.

my 2c
Jeff

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Spencer Graves
 wrote:
>
>
> On 9/10/2011 6:06 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10.09.2011 13:26, Alastair wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
>>> maintained? The last update to the CRAN was about 2 years ago. Earlier in
>>> the year I found I wanted to use the short caption option of LaTeX tables
>>> to
>>> display an abridged title in my table of contents. It was a relatively
>>> simple change to get xtable to support this. I bundled up my changes and
>>> sent the maintainer David B. Dahl an email and I got absolutely no
>>> response?
>>
>> Try to "ping" - at least I do so in this case. No response would be
>> unfortunate, of course.
>
>
>      David B. Dahl still has a web site as an Associate Professor at Texas
> A&M U.
>>
>>
>>> What's the etiquette for this kind of situation? I think he's done a
>>> sterling job maintaining a really useful package; I wanted to help and
>>> contribute to the community but if he's not doing it anymore how can
>>> anyone
>>> get their improvements / bug fixes into circulation?
>>
>> xtable's DESCRIPTION file says
>>
>> License:            GPL (>= 2)
>>
>> so go ahead in case you do not get a response.
>>
>> Best,
>> Uwe Ligges
>
>
>     xtable has a long list of reverse depends, imports, suggests and
> enhances, so many people clearly think it's useful.
>
>
>      My preference is to encourage the maintainer(s) to migrate the project
> to R-Forge where others can help maintain it and add enhancements (that
> shouldn't break current applications) that people feel are generally useful.
>  (Not everyone responds positively to this kind of suggestion, but some do.)
>
>
>      R-Forge also lists tabulaR, which "is a comprehensive package for
> presenting quality tabular output within the R Environment. Differing from
> xtable and Hmisc, it manipulates, formats and presents tabular data to any R
> device stream, which can then be used by any structured format."  So far,
> however, I was unable to find evidence that the the tabulaR team has done
> anything for with R-Forge beyond successfully getting a shell created for
> the project.
>
>
>      Good luck!
>      Spencer
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alastair
>>>
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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[Spencer Graves]

On 9/10/2011 6:06 AM, Uwe Ligges wrote:



On 10.09.2011 13:26, Alastair wrote:

Hi,

I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
maintained? The last update to the CRAN was about 2 years ago. 
Earlier in
the year I found I wanted to use the short caption option of LaTeX 
tables to

display an abridged title in my table of contents. It was a relatively
simple change to get xtable to support this. I bundled up my changes and
sent the maintainer David B. Dahl an email and I got absolutely no 
response?


Try to "ping" - at least I do so in this case. No response would be 
unfortunate, of course.



  David B. Dahl still has a web site as an Associate Professor at 
Texas A&M U.




What's the etiquette for this kind of situation? I think he's done a
sterling job maintaining a really useful package; I wanted to help and
contribute to the community but if he's not doing it anymore how can 
anyone

get their improvements / bug fixes into circulation?


xtable's DESCRIPTION file says

License:GPL (>= 2)

so go ahead in case you do not get a response.

Best,
Uwe Ligges



 xtable has a long list of reverse depends, imports, suggests and 
enhances, so many people clearly think it's useful.



  My preference is to encourage the maintainer(s) to migrate the 
project to R-Forge where others can help maintain it and add 
enhancements (that shouldn't break current applications) that people 
feel are generally useful.  (Not everyone responds positively to this 
kind of suggestion, but some do.)



  R-Forge also lists tabulaR, which "is a comprehensive package for 
presenting quality tabular output within the R Environment. Differing 
from xtable and Hmisc, it manipulates, formats and presents tabular data 
to any R device stream, which can then be used by any structured 
format."  So far, however, I was unable to find evidence that the the 
tabulaR team has done anything for with R-Forge beyond successfully 
getting a shell created for the project.



  Good luck!
  Spencer





Cheers,
Alastair

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Re: [Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[Uwe Ligges]

On 10.09.2011 13:26, Alastair wrote:

Hi,

I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
maintained? The last update to the CRAN was about 2 years ago. Earlier in
the year I found I wanted to use the short caption option of LaTeX tables to
display an abridged title in my table of contents. It was a relatively
simple change to get xtable to support this. I bundled up my changes and
sent the maintainer David B. Dahl an email and I got absolutely no response?


Try to "ping" - at least I do so in this case. No response would be 
unfortunate, of course.




What's the etiquette for this kind of situation? I think he's done a
sterling job maintaining a really useful package; I wanted to help and
contribute to the community but if he's not doing it anymore how can anyone
get their improvements / bug fixes into circulation?


xtable's DESCRIPTION file says

License:GPL (>= 2)

so go ahead in case you do not get a response.

Best,
Uwe Ligges




Cheers,
Alastair

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[Rd] Is xtable still being maintained?

[Alastair]

Hi,

I wonder if anyone knows if the xtable package is still actively being
maintained? The last update to the CRAN was about 2 years ago. Earlier in
the year I found I wanted to use the short caption option of LaTeX tables to
display an abridged title in my table of contents. It was a relatively
simple change to get xtable to support this. I bundled up my changes and
sent the maintainer David B. Dahl an email and I got absolutely no response?
What's the etiquette for this kind of situation? I think he's done a
sterling job maintaining a really useful package; I wanted to help and
contribute to the community but if he's not doing it anymore how can anyone
get their improvements / bug fixes into circulation?

Cheers,
Alastair

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