Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
2011/11/8 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 19:08, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:56, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: Yes. the tar.gz was created with R-2.14.0. http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. Yes, ince it is checked with different flavors of R, R-oldrelease, R-release, R-devel. See the first column! A source package can be created with an version of R and checked under another version. There is onlyone source package on CRAN, but - just as an exmaple - binaries for R-2.13.x and R-2.14.x. Of course, the checks are applied with the versions stated on the check page. I think you haven't got the whole point of checking with different versions of R. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. No, no, no, no! See the first column! It definitely states if R-olrelease, R-release, R-pacthed or R-devel is used! OK. That wasn't clear. It would be better if it actually identified the release as R 2.13.2, etc. We do not want to change those fields daily: R-devel and R-patched typically change from day to day - and then things will really become inconsistent in some place. The inconsistencies are less important if they are obvious but more important if they are not. How about indicating R-2.14.0 but not the (2011-09-30 r57179) part. That only changes a few times a year. Also it would be helpful if the R version number that was used to build the .tar.gz file and the .zip file were shown right on the package's CRAN page. This entire discussion and all the associated confusion probably would not have occurred since it would be much clearer which versions were involved. -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
On 09.11.2011 13:52, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 19:08, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:56, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: Yes. the tar.gz was created with R-2.14.0. http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. Yes, ince it is checked with different flavors of R, R-oldrelease, R-release, R-devel. See the first column! A source package can be created with an version of R and checked under another version. There is onlyone source package on CRAN, but - just as an exmaple - binaries for R-2.13.x and R-2.14.x. Of course, the checks are applied with the versions stated on the check page. I think you haven't got the whole point of checking with different versions of R. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. No, no, no, no! See the first column! It definitely states if R-olrelease, R-release, R-pacthed or R-devel is used! OK. That wasn't clear. It would be better if it actually identified the release as R 2.13.2, etc. We do not want to change those fields daily: R-devel and R-patched typically change from day to day - and then things will really become inconsistent in some place. The inconsistencies are less important if they are obvious but more important if they are not. How about indicating R-2.14.0 but not the (2011-09-30 r57179) part. Honestly, that (svn revision) is the only part that we do not have on the front pages but they are given in the log files. Uwe That only changes a few times a year. Also it would be helpful if the R version number that was used to build the .tar.gz file and the .zip file were shown right on the package's CRAN page. This entire discussion and all the associated confusion probably would not have occurred since it would be much clearer which versions were involved. __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
2011/11/9 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 09.11.2011 13:52, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 19:08, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:56, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: Yes. the tar.gz was created with R-2.14.0. http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. Yes, ince it is checked with different flavors of R, R-oldrelease, R-release, R-devel. See the first column! A source package can be created with an version of R and checked under another version. There is onlyone source package on CRAN, but - just as an exmaple - binaries for R-2.13.x and R-2.14.x. Of course, the checks are applied with the versions stated on the check page. I think you haven't got the whole point of checking with different versions of R. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. No, no, no, no! See the first column! It definitely states if R-olrelease, R-release, R-pacthed or R-devel is used! OK. That wasn't clear. It would be better if it actually identified the release as R 2.13.2, etc. We do not want to change those fields daily: R-devel and R-patched typically change from day to day - and then things will really become inconsistent in some place. The inconsistencies are less important if they are obvious but more important if they are not. How about indicating R-2.14.0 but not the (2011-09-30 r57179) part. Honestly, that (svn revision) is the only part that we do not have on the front pages but they are given in the log files. The R version is not on the package's CRAN page, e.g. http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html I was thinking of something like this for the Package source line: Package built source:sqldf_0.4-3.tar.gz (built with R version 2.14.0 Patched (2011-10-10 r12345) This seems important since that line truly is not the source but is the built source. The actual source is not uploaded to CRAN or shown. A transformation has been applied to it so rightfully that should be tracked back via the R version. This would make it very clear not only which version of the R package you are dealing with but which version of R built it and that can in certain circumstances be important for precisely identifying it. This could also be done for the .zip file, etc. shown on that page. If that level of detail is not feasible then this would be next best (just showing the R x.y.z version): Package built source: sqldf_0.4-3.tar.gz (built with R version 2.14.0) -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
On 09.11.2011 15:23, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/9 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 09.11.2011 13:52, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 19:08, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:56, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: Yes. the tar.gz was created with R-2.14.0. http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. Yes, ince it is checked with different flavors of R, R-oldrelease, R-release, R-devel. See the first column! A source package can be created with an version of R and checked under another version. There is onlyone source package on CRAN, but - just as an exmaple - binaries for R-2.13.x and R-2.14.x. Of course, the checks are applied with the versions stated on the check page. I think you haven't got the whole point of checking with different versions of R. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. No, no, no, no! See the first column! It definitely states if R-olrelease, R-release, R-pacthed or R-devel is used! OK. That wasn't clear. It would be better if it actually identified the release as R 2.13.2, etc. We do not want to change those fields daily: R-devel and R-patched typically change from day to day - and then things will really become inconsistent in some place. The inconsistencies are less important if they are obvious but more important if they are not. How about indicating R-2.14.0 but not the (2011-09-30 r57179) part. Honestly, that (svn revision) is the only part that we do not have on the front pages but they are given in the log files. The R version is not on the package's CRAN page, e.g. http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html I was thinking of something like this for the Package source line: Package built source:sqldf_0.4-3.tar.gz (built with R version 2.14.0 Patched (2011-10-10 r12345) Not relevant for the majority of cases. Version number of the package is relevant, not the R used to build it (well, there are cornercases, e.g. for knowing which version was used to generate the vignette). And in addition, we to not have the information. Where do you think we can get that from? Even if we change R to provide the information now, we'd only know if it was built with R = 2.14.0 or later. This seems important since that line truly is not the source but is the built source. The actual source is not uploaded to CRAN or shown. He? What is the difference between the source and the built source? A source package has always undergone R CMD build on the submitters machine. We do only have only one kind of source packages on CRAN. A transformation has been applied to it Where and why do you want to apply transformations? so rightfully that should be tracked back via the R version. This would make it very clear not only which version of the R package you are dealing with but which version of R built it and that can in certain circumstances be important for precisely identifying it. This could also be done for the .zip file, etc. shown on that page. The zip file shown *there* is always R-release or R-patched (hence currently R-2.14.0 given your request) for ALL packages. We do not list zip files for non R-release *there*. I thought you were still talking about the check page. If that level of
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
2011/11/9 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: Honestly, that (svn revision) is the only part that we do not have on the front pages but they are given in the log files. The R version is not on the package's CRAN page, e.g. http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html I was thinking of something like this for the Package source line: Package built source: sqldf_0.4-3.tar.gz (built with R version 2.14.0 Patched (2011-10-10 r12345) Not relevant for the majority of cases. Version number of the package is relevant, not the R used to build it (well, there are cornercases, e.g. for knowing which version was used to generate the vignette). The point is that the answer to the poster's question does not really resolve it except for that one person. To really solve the problem the process needs to be changed so that its unlikely to occur again. And in addition, we to not have the information. Where do you think we can get that from? Even if we change R to provide the information now, we'd only know if it was built with R = 2.14.0 or later. Yes, I realize that but it would have to be added during the build process in the same way that certain other information is added already. This seems important since that line truly is not the source but is the built source. The actual source is not uploaded to CRAN or shown. He? What is the difference between the source and the built source? A source package has always undergone R CMD build on the submitters machine. We do only have only one kind of source packages on CRAN. The built source has been processed by R CMD build and the true source has not. What CRAN labels the source is not the true source but is really the built source. There has been a transformation applied to the true source to get the built source and some version of R was used to do that. Furthermore, what the result looks like can depend on what version of R was used for this. That its different for different versions of R was one of the things that precipitated this entire thread. A transformation has been applied to it Where and why do you want to apply transformations? By transformation I am referring to the existing process of transforming the true source to the built source. I was not suggesting other transformations (other than the fact that it implies that it would be necessary to identify the R version that built any given built source in the built source itself). so rightfully that should be tracked back via the R version. This would make it very clear not only which version of the R package you are dealing with but which version of R built it and that can in certain circumstances be important for precisely identifying it. This could also be done for the .zip file, etc. shown on that page. The zip file shown *there* is always R-release or R-patched (hence currently R-2.14.0 given your request) for ALL packages. We do not list zip files for non R-release *there*. I thought you were still talking about the check page. Originally I was referring to the check page but then expanded it to the main page as well since it seemed relevant in both places. I find this whole area is confusing (and clearly I am not the only one hence this thread) and it could use some clarification right on the web pages themselves to avoid these sorts of problems. I think the most desirable from a user's viewpoint is to actually stick the R version right there but if its not feasible some other way of addressing this would be nice. If that level of detail is not feasible then this would be next best (just showing the R x.y.z version): Package built source: sqldf_0.4-3.tar.gz (built with R version 2.14.0) I give up. uwe -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
[Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
When I did install.packages(sqldf) on Windows and Mac OSX, it installed fine. However, when I did it on my Debian Squeeze box under R 2.14.0, it failed. I discovered that three of the dependent packages, chron, proto, and gsubfn, do not include a NAMESPACE file in their distribution tar.gz files. I contacted the developer, who told me that, for packages without a NAMESPACE file, R 2.14 (but not early versions of R) generates a NAMESPACE file. My workaround to get sqldf installed was to copy the generated NAMESPACE files from my Mac to my Debian squeeze box and use R CMD INSTALL to install the packages. Although I read As from R 2.14.0 all packages will be installed with a namespace: rather than relying on this mechanism authors are strongly encouraged to add a namespace for themselves. on http://cran.r-project.org/doc/manuals/R-exts.html#Package-namespaces it nevertheless appears to me that this behavior (not generating NAMESPACE files) is peculiar to my Debian installation (since it worked on the Windows and Mac machines). Please let me know if you need more details or further research. R totally ROCKS! [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. Uwe ligges On 08.11.2011 10:49, Art Eschenlauer wrote: When I did install.packages(sqldf) on Windows and Mac OSX, it installed fine. However, when I did it on my Debian Squeeze box under R 2.14.0, it failed. I discovered that three of the dependent packages, chron, proto, and gsubfn, do not include a NAMESPACE file in their distribution tar.gz files. I contacted the developer, who told me that, for packages without a NAMESPACE file, R 2.14 (but not early versions of R) generates a NAMESPACE file. My workaround to get sqldf installed was to copy the generated NAMESPACE files from my Mac to my Debian squeeze box and use R CMD INSTALL to install the packages. Although I read As from R 2.14.0 all packages will be installed with a namespace: rather than relying on this mechanism authors are strongly encouraged to add a namespace for themselves. on http://cran.r-project.org/doc/manuals/R-exts.html#Package-namespaces it nevertheless appears to me that this behavior (not generating NAMESPACE files) is peculiar to my Debian installation (since it worked on the Windows and Mac machines). Please let me know if you need more details or further research. R totally ROCKS! [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
2011/11/8 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Gabor Grothendieck ggrothendi...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html HIt send by mistake. I understand that its being fixed already on CRAN for that platform. -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. The essential part of the question was: However, when I did it on my Debian Squeeze box under R 2.14.0, it failed. and it does not fail under any R-2.14.0 if you look at the page you cited above. Best, Uwe Ligges __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
2011/11/8 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. The summary table at check_results_sqldf.html does not actually give the version that is being tested so its only by clicking each of the links on the summary table that one would uncover this inconsistency. Regarding quoting, the mail server seems to reject posts from gmail for all sorts of unknown reasons and quoting large posts very well might be one of them so one has to be extremely careful. For a while (this is some time ago) I was unable to post at all but over time learned that if I was sure to bottom rather than top post and not quote too much then it would get through. -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. And it should be like that within few hours after a change. Syncing the logs from at least 4 different sources and regenerating the overview page has to happen sometime and you can always visit between two updates so you may have seen an inconsistency that is no longer there. The summary table at check_results_sqldf.html does not actually give the version that is being tested It does, that's what the Version column contains. And the R version is also reported in the first column. You see check fro R-devel, R-release and R-oldrelease. uwe so its only by clicking each of the links on the summary table that one would uncover this inconsistency. Regarding quoting, the mail server seems to reject posts from gmail for all sorts of unknown reasons and quoting large posts very well might be one of them so one has to be extremely careful. For a while (this is some time ago) I was unable to post at all but over time learned that if I was sure to bottom rather than top post and not quote too much then it would get through. __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
2011/11/8 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. If its feasible in terms of effort and run time to add the R version used in a column on the check_results_sqldf.html page then that would make the summary page more useful since it would be immediately apparent not only what version of the package is being used but also what version of R is being used in each case. -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
On 08.11.2011 17:56, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: Yes. the tar.gz was created with R-2.14.0. http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. Yes, ince it is checked with different flavors of R, R-oldrelease, R-release, R-devel. See the first column! A source package can be created with an version of R and checked under another version. There is onlyone source package on CRAN, but - just as an exmaple - binaries for R-2.13.x and R-2.14.x. Of course, the checks are applied with the versions stated on the check page. I think you haven't got the whole point of checking with different versions of R. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. No, no, no, no! See the first column! It definitely states if R-olrelease, R-release, R-pacthed or R-devel is used! Uwe If its feasible in terms of effort and run time to add the R version used in a column on the check_results_sqldf.html page then that would make the summary page more useful since it would be immediately apparent not only what version of the package is being used but also what version of R is being used in each case. __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
2011/11/8 Uwe Ligges lig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:56, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: Yes. the tar.gz was created with R-2.14.0. http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. Yes, ince it is checked with different flavors of R, R-oldrelease, R-release, R-devel. See the first column! A source package can be created with an version of R and checked under another version. There is onlyone source package on CRAN, but - just as an exmaple - binaries for R-2.13.x and R-2.14.x. Of course, the checks are applied with the versions stated on the check page. I think you haven't got the whole point of checking with different versions of R. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. No, no, no, no! See the first column! It definitely states if R-olrelease, R-release, R-pacthed or R-devel is used! OK. That wasn't clear. It would be better if it actually identified the release as R 2.13.2, etc. -- Statistics Software Consulting GKX Group, GKX Associates Inc. tel: 1-877-GKX-GROUP email: ggrothendieck at gmail.com __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] NAMESPACE file generation issue R 2.14.0 on Debian Squeeze
On 08.11.2011 19:08, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:56, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 17:04, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: On 08.11.2011 16:31, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: 2011/11/8 Uwe Liggeslig...@statistik.tu-dortmund.de: I think many people like to help, but we cannot: You say you are under R-2.14.0 and whn you R CMD INSTALL a package with that version of R, it does not have a NAMESPACE in the end? Then - your R installation is broken or - you are looking into a library where you have old versios of the packages or - you belive you are using R-2.14.0 but you are actually using an older version. This is even reproduced on CRAN. All platforms work except one: http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html No, that one is completely unrelated (and already solved, but not yet synced to CRAN master) to the original question you have removed in your reply. OK. One would have thought that the checks on CRAN would be consistent with the package pages which link to them. I only see consistent information on that page. If you go to: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/sqldf/index.html then the tar.gz file was created using R-2.14.0 but if you then click on the check results link on the same page it takes you to this: Yes. the tar.gz was created with R-2.14.0. http://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_sqldf.html On the last link on that page it says ERROR and if click on that it takes you to the output of the check which reveals that it was run with R 2.13.2. Yes, ince it is checked with different flavors of R, R-oldrelease, R-release, R-devel. See the first column! A source package can be created with an version of R and checked under another version. There is onlyone source package on CRAN, but - just as an exmaple - binaries for R-2.13.x and R-2.14.x. Of course, the checks are applied with the versions stated on the check page. I think you haven't got the whole point of checking with different versions of R. The Version column on check_results_sqldf.html page refers to the package's version, not the R version. To get the R version you must know to click on each link. No, no, no, no! See the first column! It definitely states if R-olrelease, R-release, R-pacthed or R-devel is used! OK. That wasn't clear. It would be better if it actually identified the release as R 2.13.2, etc. We do not want to change those fields daily: R-devel and R-patched typically change from day to day - and then things will really become inconsistent in some place. Uwe __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
