Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list
On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 12:21 -0500, Sarah Goslee wrote: > Hello, > > I'm one of the maintainers of the r-sig-ecology list, and I think > it would be entirely appropriate to include hydrology within > the scope of the list. I also agree. It was always the intention AFAICR for the R-SIG-Ecology list to cover environmetrics in its fullest sense. With hindsight R-SIG-Environ or something along those lines would have given the impression of a wider focus for the list, but only in some quarters. I do hope that the hydrologists do join us in asking and answering questions on the R-SIG-Ecology list as both are needed for the list to flourish. G > There hasn't been much hydrologic discussion, as you noted, > but not because we wish to exclude it. > > Sarah > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini > wrote: > > > Another possibility could be to use the R-sig-ecology, which seems to be > > more related to hydrology: > > > > "analytical techniques and topics that are appropriate for discussion on > > R-sig-ecology are quite broad. For examples of what might be appropriate for > > discussion on this list, please see the Environmentrics Task View > > (http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Environmetrics.html)" > > (taken from: https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology) > > > > However, I did a quick search on the archives of 'R-sig-ecology' for the > > year 2011, and I could only found one single mail related to hydrology: > > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-ecology/2011-July/002274.html > > > > (in the same search I couldn't find any single reference to hydrology in the > > R-sig-geo during the year 2011) > -- %~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% Dr. Gavin Simpson [t] +44 (0)20 7679 0522 ECRC, UCL Geography, [f] +44 (0)20 7679 0565 Pearson Building, [e] gavin.simpsonATNOSPAMucl.ac.uk Gower Street, London [w] http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucfagls/ UK. WC1E 6BT. [w] http://www.freshwaters.org.uk %~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~%~% __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
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On 16/02/12 12:51, Sarah Goslee wrote: Dear Martin, Thank you for confirming what I'd already suspected about the mailing list software. What a pity that is not possible, but thank you very much Martin for confirming and explaining why is not possible. I've added hydrology explicitly to the list description, and hope that the hydrologists find it a welcoming home. We've got a solid core of participants, so R users should find it a useful resource. It is decided then. Thank you very much Sarah for adding hydrology to the description of the R-sig-ecology mailing list: "The purpose of R-sig-ecology is two-fold. First, we want to provide a discussion forum for those analyzing ecological and environmental data with R, including but not limited to vegetation, soils and hydrology. Second, we want to encourage R users of all ability and experience to participate so that we may grow the community of ecologists and environmental scientists that use R." Thank you all for taking part in this discussion. I'll start spreading the voice among colleagues. I hope Dominik may mention this mailing list in the EGU 2012 short course "Hydrological Analysis in R": http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2012/session/10635 All the best for the enhanced R-sig-ecology mailing list. Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini -- === FLOODS Action Water Resources Unit (H01) Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) European Commission, Joint Research Centre (JRC) webinfo: http://floods.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ === DISCLAIMER: "The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission." === Linux user #454569 -- Ubuntu user #17469 === "The greatest inspiration is often born of desperation." (Comer Cotrell) Sarah On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Martin Maechler wrote: Hi, I'm the "site maintainer" of the r-sig-...@r-project.org mailing lists (and back from vacations). Sarah Goslee on Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:16:01 -0500 writes: > Hi all, >> It would be great if Sara of someone of the maintainers >> of the r-sig-ecology list could add that info to the info page. > I'm talking with the other maintainer about revising both > the short and the long descriptions. >> I think that r-sig-env would be much more intuitive for >> environmental scientists coming from fields different >> from ecology, but I don't think it is possible to change >> the name of an existing mailing list. yes, that would be only doable with much effort, and (unless even more effort is put in) it would invalidate all current links to the current archives etc. >> However, I'm wondering if it would be possible to create >> an alias termed 'r-sig-env' to 'r-sig-ecology' ?, in >> order to make the name of the list more intuitive for >> environmental scientists but without disturbing the >> current users. > I don't know that there is any mechanism for doing either > of those things. Changing the name would be disruptive, > and I don't know of an alias option. there is none, on the mailing list level. On the mail server side, I could create such aliases, but then these would only apply to e-mail addresses and the ML software would still "speak" of the official ML name... Given all the issues and opinions heard so far, I'd also propose trying to have hydrologists and other env.scientists join the r-sig-ecology for the time being. Brian Ripley has already mentioned the very important point, that there's some often non-negligible admin overhead for each list, and I can add that indeed, we have had several lists that always remained too small and so never "started flying". __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list
Dear Martin, Thank you for confirming what I'd already suspected about the mailing list software. I've added hydrology explicitly to the list description, and hope that the hydrologists find it a welcoming home. We've got a solid core of participants, so R users should find it a useful resource. Sarah On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Martin Maechler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm the "site maintainer" of the r-sig-...@r-project.org mailing > lists (and back from vacations). > >> Sarah Goslee >> on Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:16:01 -0500 writes: > > > Hi all, > >> It would be great if Sara of someone of the maintainers > >> of the r-sig-ecology list could add that info to the info page. > > > I'm talking with the other maintainer about revising both > > the short and the long descriptions. > > >> I think that r-sig-env would be much more intuitive for > >> environmental scientists coming from fields different > >> from ecology, but I don't think it is possible to change > >> the name of an existing mailing list. > > yes, that would be only doable with much effort, > and (unless even more effort is put in) it would invalidate all > current links to the current archives etc. > > >> However, I'm wondering if it would be possible to create > >> an alias termed 'r-sig-env' to 'r-sig-ecology' ?, in > >> order to make the name of the list more intuitive for > >> environmental scientists but without disturbing the > >> current users. > > > I don't know that there is any mechanism for doing either > > of those things. Changing the name would be disruptive, > > and I don't know of an alias option. > > there is none, on the mailing list level. > On the mail server side, I could create such aliases, > but then these would only apply to e-mail addresses and the ML > software would still "speak" of the official ML name... > > Given all the issues and opinions heard so far, I'd also > propose trying to have hydrologists and other env.scientists > join the r-sig-ecology for the time being. > > Brian Ripley has already mentioned the very important point, > that there's some often non-negligible admin overhead for each > list, and I can add that indeed, we have had several lists that > always remained too small and so never "started flying". > -- Sarah Goslee http://www.functionaldiversity.org __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list
Hi,
I'm the "site maintainer" of the r-sig-...@r-project.org mailing
lists (and back from vacations).
> Sarah Goslee
> on Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:16:01 -0500 writes:
> Hi all,
>> It would be great if Sara of someone of the maintainers
>> of the r-sig-ecology list could add that info to the info page.
> I'm talking with the other maintainer about revising both
> the short and the long descriptions.
>> I think that r-sig-env would be much more intuitive for
>> environmental scientists coming from fields different
>> from ecology, but I don't think it is possible to change
>> the name of an existing mailing list.
yes, that would be only doable with much effort,
and (unless even more effort is put in) it would invalidate all
current links to the current archives etc.
>> However, I'm wondering if it would be possible to create
>> an alias termed 'r-sig-env' to 'r-sig-ecology' ?, in
>> order to make the name of the list more intuitive for
>> environmental scientists but without disturbing the
>> current users.
> I don't know that there is any mechanism for doing either
> of those things. Changing the name would be disruptive,
> and I don't know of an alias option.
there is none, on the mailing list level.
On the mail server side, I could create such aliases,
but then these would only apply to e-mail addresses and the ML
software would still "speak" of the official ML name...
Given all the issues and opinions heard so far, I'd also
propose trying to have hydrologists and other env.scientists
join the r-sig-ecology for the time being.
Brian Ripley has already mentioned the very important point,
that there's some often non-negligible admin overhead for each
list, and I can add that indeed, we have had several lists that
always remained too small and so never "started flying".
> I think ecology is a more inclusive term than
> environmental anyway, but then I'm an ecologist.
> Sarah
ah, that's an interesting side issue, and at first somewhat
counter intuitive to a layman like me,... but after thinking a bit
about the meaning of the words, most will have to agree with you.
{but please let's not start a thread on that now..}
Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich
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Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list
Hi all, > It would be great if Sara of someone of the maintainers of the r-sig-ecology > list could add that info to the info page. I'm talking with the other maintainer about revising both the short and the long descriptions. > I think that r-sig-env would be much more intuitive for environmental > scientists coming from fields different from ecology, but I don't think it > is possible to change the name of an existing mailing list. > > However, I'm wondering if it would be possible to create an alias termed > 'r-sig-env' to 'r-sig-ecology' ?, in order to make the name of the list more > intuitive for environmental scientists but without disturbing the current > users. I don't know that there is any mechanism for doing either of those things. Changing the name would be disruptive, and I don't know of an alias option. I think ecology is a more inclusive term than environmental anyway, but then I'm an ecologist. Sarah -- Sarah Goslee http://www.functionaldiversity.org __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list
On 15/02/12 09:07, Dominik Reusser wrote:
Dear all,
I do think that joining efforts is a good idea. However, hydrologists will
probably not intuitively think about joining r-sig-ecology to discuss
hydrological issues. Could we therefore explicitely state on the infopage that
discussions to hydrology (in addition to general environmental data) are also
welcome.
It would be great if Sara of someone of the maintainers of the
r-sig-ecology list could add that info to the info page.
I don't think it is worth it, but probably the appropriate name would then be
r-sig-env for such a list? In the description, you are also refering to the
Environmetrics task list.
I think that r-sig-env would be much more intuitive for environmental
scientists coming from fields different from ecology, but I don't think
it is possible to change the name of an existing mailing list.
However, I'm wondering if it would be possible to create an alias termed
'r-sig-env' to 'r-sig-ecology' ?, in order to make the name of the list
more intuitive for environmental scientists but without disturbing the
current users.
I'm wondering where we can make people aware of the fact, that hydrological
issues are discussed on r-sig-ecology. I'm going to ask Gavin Simpson to put
references to the list on the environmetrics task view if you agree that this
would be useful.
I think it would be very useful to make more general the description of
the r-sig-ecology in the R mailing list page
(http://www.r-project.org/mail.html), something like:
R-sig-ecology: Using R in environmental and ecological data analysis
Also, we can announce the mailing list during our R-short
course on hydrology at EGU. What else?
This would be great !
Best regards!
Dominik
All the best,
Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini
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Dear all, I do think that joining efforts is a good idea. However, hydrologists will probably not intuitively think about joining r-sig-ecology to discuss hydrological issues. Could we therefore explicitely state on the infopage that discussions to hydrology (in addition to general environmental data) are also welcome. I don't think it is worth it, but probably the appropriate name would then be r-sig-env for such a list? In the description, you are also refering to the Environmetrics task list. I'm wondering where we can make people aware of the fact, that hydrological issues are discussed on r-sig-ecology. I'm going to ask Gavin Simpson to put references to the list on the environmetrics task view if you agree that this would be useful. Also, we can announce the mailing list during our R-short course on hydrology at EGU. What else? Best regards! Dominik Am Dienstag, 14. Februar 2012 schrieb David L Lorenz: > All, > Is it decided then? It does make sense to me, because much of the > hydrologic work that we do is related to aquatic ecology. > I am responsible for coordinating the migration to use R as the > supported statistical package within the Water Mission Area of the USGS. > I'd expect that many of our hydrologists will be interested in subscribing > to r-sig-ecology to keep up with fellow researchers. I am also sure that > some will be frustrated because they will need to wade through material > not directly related to their work. > When I hear r-sig-ecology will be the forum for hydrology, I'll notify > the transition team so that they can subscribe and other hydrologist as > they start to use R. > Thanks. > Dave > > > > From: > Sarah Goslee > To: > mauricio.zambr...@jrc.ec.europa.eu > Cc: > Dominik Reusser , r-devel@r-project.org, > w.buyta...@imperial.ac.uk > Date: > 02/14/2012 11:24 AM > Subject: > Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list > Sent by: > r-devel-boun...@r-project.org > > > > Hello, > > I'm one of the maintainers of the r-sig-ecology list, and I think > it would be entirely appropriate to include hydrology within > the scope of the list. > > There hasn't been much hydrologic discussion, as you noted, > but not because we wish to exclude it. > > Sarah > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini > > wrote: > > Another possibility could be to use the R-sig-ecology, which seems to be > > more related to hydrology: > > > > "analytical techniques and topics that are appropriate for discussion on > > R-sig-ecology are quite broad. For examples of what might be appropriate > > for > > > discussion on this list, please see the Environmentrics Task View > > (http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Environmetrics.html)" > > (taken from: https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology) > > > > However, I did a quick search on the archives of 'R-sig-ecology' for the > > year 2011, and I could only found one single mail related to hydrology: > > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-ecology/2011-July/002274.html > > > > (in the same search I couldn't find any single reference to hydrology in > > the > > > R-sig-geo during the year 2011) -- Dr. Dominik Reusser North-South Project Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research Research Domain 2: Climate Impacts & Vulnerabilities Telephone +49 331 288 26 46 Fax+49 331 288 20709 P.O.Box 60 12 03, 14412 Potsdam, Germany Visiting adress: Pappelallee 20, 14469 Potsdam __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
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All, Is it decided then? It does make sense to me, because much of the hydrologic work that we do is related to aquatic ecology. I am responsible for coordinating the migration to use R as the supported statistical package within the Water Mission Area of the USGS. I'd expect that many of our hydrologists will be interested in subscribing to r-sig-ecology to keep up with fellow researchers. I am also sure that some will be frustrated because they will need to wade through material not directly related to their work. When I hear r-sig-ecology will be the forum for hydrology, I'll notify the transition team so that they can subscribe and other hydrologist as they start to use R. Thanks. Dave From: Sarah Goslee To: mauricio.zambr...@jrc.ec.europa.eu Cc: Dominik Reusser , r-devel@r-project.org, w.buyta...@imperial.ac.uk Date: 02/14/2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list Sent by: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org Hello, I'm one of the maintainers of the r-sig-ecology list, and I think it would be entirely appropriate to include hydrology within the scope of the list. There hasn't been much hydrologic discussion, as you noted, but not because we wish to exclude it. Sarah On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: > Another possibility could be to use the R-sig-ecology, which seems to be > more related to hydrology: > > "analytical techniques and topics that are appropriate for discussion on > R-sig-ecology are quite broad. For examples of what might be appropriate for > discussion on this list, please see the Environmentrics Task View > (http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Environmetrics.html)" > (taken from: https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology) > > However, I did a quick search on the archives of 'R-sig-ecology' for the > year 2011, and I could only found one single mail related to hydrology: > > https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-ecology/2011-July/002274.html > > (in the same search I couldn't find any single reference to hydrology in the > R-sig-geo during the year 2011) -- Sarah Goslee http://www.functionaldiversity.org __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
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Hello, I'm one of the maintainers of the r-sig-ecology list, and I think it would be entirely appropriate to include hydrology within the scope of the list. There hasn't been much hydrologic discussion, as you noted, but not because we wish to exclude it. Sarah On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: > Another possibility could be to use the R-sig-ecology, which seems to be > more related to hydrology: > > "analytical techniques and topics that are appropriate for discussion on > R-sig-ecology are quite broad. For examples of what might be appropriate for > discussion on this list, please see the Environmentrics Task View > (http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Environmetrics.html)" > (taken from: https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology) > > However, I did a quick search on the archives of 'R-sig-ecology' for the > year 2011, and I could only found one single mail related to hydrology: > > https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-ecology/2011-July/002274.html > > (in the same search I couldn't find any single reference to hydrology in the > R-sig-geo during the year 2011) -- Sarah Goslee http://www.functionaldiversity.org __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
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On 14/02/12 17:45, Prof Brian Ripley wrote: Have you asked the maintainers of those lists? Or the person who would have to do the work to set the list up (Martin Maechler, who is currently on vacation, or colleagues at ETHZ)? No, I haven't done yet, but I'll do it, to know which list is the right one for hydrology. My suspicion is that there would be too little traffic to make a separate list worthwhile to administer. (You might feel so too: list administrators end up dealing with a lot of nuisance traffic.) Probably you are right, and it is worth to wait until the traffic in some of those lists be enough to justify a different mailing list. Thank you very much for your feedback prof. Ripley. All the best, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini -- === FLOODS Action Water Resources Unit (H01) Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) European Commission, Joint Research Centre (JRC) TP 261, Via Enrico Fermi 2749, 21027 Ispra (VA), Italy webinfo: http://floods.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ === DISCLAIMER: "The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission." === Linux user #454569 -- Ubuntu user #17469 === On 14/02/2012 16:31, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: On 14/02/12 09:36, Rainer M Krug wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/02/12 17:30, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: Dear R developers, Due to the increasing use R in hydrology and other close-related environmental sciences, I would like to ask if it would be possible to create a new Special Interest Group mailing list, called 'R-sig-hydro', specially devoted those topics. If possible to do so, I'd offer myself to maintain such mailing list (if needed). I think it would be more useful to use the R-sig-geo for that, as hydrology (please correct me if I am wrong - I am not an expert in hydrology) is mainly spatial. A fragmentation of the lists would need to duplicate effort by members. I don't want to duplicate efforts, but I'm not sure about R-sig-geo as the right mailing list for hydrology and close-related environmental sciences. It is true that hydrology has much to do with spatial analysis (interpolation techniques, use of satellite images as input for hydrological models, mapping, etc), but it has also a strong link to time series analysis (trend detection, stationary and non-stationary water quantity and quality modelling, climate change modelling, and a long etc), and probably the latter topics would be considered off-topic in the R-sig-geo Another possibility could be to use the R-sig-ecology, which seems to be more related to hydrology: "analytical techniques and topics that are appropriate for discussion on R-sig-ecology are quite broad. For examples of what might be appropriate for discussion on this list, please see the Environmentrics Task View (http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Environmetrics.html)" (taken from: https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology) However, I did a quick search on the archives of 'R-sig-ecology' for the year 2011, and I could only found one single mail related to hydrology: https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-ecology/2011-July/002274.html (in the same search I couldn't find any single reference to hydrology in the R-sig-geo during the year 2011) I think the lack of posts related to hydrological sciences in dedicated R-sig-xxx mailing lists is not due to a lack of interest (in the same period I got several questions regarding the hydroTSM and hydroGOF packages), but they may be due to the fact that r-sig-geo or r-sig-ecology are not very intuitive for hydrologists So, if you think that creating a new mailing list only for hydrology and related sciences could lead to fragmentation of the community and a duplication of efforts, we could start using the 'R-sig-ecology' mailing list. Cheers, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini "The greatest inspiration is often born of desperation." (Comer Cotrell) __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
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Have you asked the maintainers of those lists? Or the person who would have to do the work to set the list up (Martin Maechler, who is currently on vacation, or colleagues at ETHZ)? My suspicion is that there would be too little traffic to make a separate list worthwhile to administer. (You might feel so too: list administrators end up dealing with a lot of nuisance traffic.) On 14/02/2012 16:31, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: On 14/02/12 09:36, Rainer M Krug wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/02/12 17:30, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: Dear R developers, Due to the increasing use R in hydrology and other close-related environmental sciences, I would like to ask if it would be possible to create a new Special Interest Group mailing list, called 'R-sig-hydro', specially devoted those topics. If possible to do so, I'd offer myself to maintain such mailing list (if needed). I think it would be more useful to use the R-sig-geo for that, as hydrology (please correct me if I am wrong - I am not an expert in hydrology) is mainly spatial. A fragmentation of the lists would need to duplicate effort by members. I don't want to duplicate efforts, but I'm not sure about R-sig-geo as the right mailing list for hydrology and close-related environmental sciences. It is true that hydrology has much to do with spatial analysis (interpolation techniques, use of satellite images as input for hydrological models, mapping, etc), but it has also a strong link to time series analysis (trend detection, stationary and non-stationary water quantity and quality modelling, climate change modelling, and a long etc), and probably the latter topics would be considered off-topic in the R-sig-geo Another possibility could be to use the R-sig-ecology, which seems to be more related to hydrology: "analytical techniques and topics that are appropriate for discussion on R-sig-ecology are quite broad. For examples of what might be appropriate for discussion on this list, please see the Environmentrics Task View (http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Environmetrics.html)" (taken from: https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology) However, I did a quick search on the archives of 'R-sig-ecology' for the year 2011, and I could only found one single mail related to hydrology: https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-ecology/2011-July/002274.html (in the same search I couldn't find any single reference to hydrology in the R-sig-geo during the year 2011) I think the lack of posts related to hydrological sciences in dedicated R-sig-xxx mailing lists is not due to a lack of interest (in the same period I got several questions regarding the hydroTSM and hydroGOF packages), but they may be due to the fact that r-sig-geo or r-sig-ecology are not very intuitive for hydrologists So, if you think that creating a new mailing list only for hydrology and related sciences could lead to fragmentation of the community and a duplication of efforts, we could start using the 'R-sig-ecology' mailing list. Cheers, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini -- Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax: +44 1865 272595 __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
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On 14/02/12 09:36, Rainer M Krug wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/02/12 17:30, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: Dear R developers, Due to the increasing use R in hydrology and other close-related environmental sciences, I would like to ask if it would be possible to create a new Special Interest Group mailing list, called 'R-sig-hydro', specially devoted those topics. If possible to do so, I'd offer myself to maintain such mailing list (if needed). I think it would be more useful to use the R-sig-geo for that, as hydrology (please correct me if I am wrong - I am not an expert in hydrology) is mainly spatial. A fragmentation of the lists would need to duplicate effort by members. I don't want to duplicate efforts, but I'm not sure about R-sig-geo as the right mailing list for hydrology and close-related environmental sciences. It is true that hydrology has much to do with spatial analysis (interpolation techniques, use of satellite images as input for hydrological models, mapping, etc), but it has also a strong link to time series analysis (trend detection, stationary and non-stationary water quantity and quality modelling, climate change modelling, and a long etc), and probably the latter topics would be considered off-topic in the R-sig-geo Another possibility could be to use the R-sig-ecology, which seems to be more related to hydrology: "analytical techniques and topics that are appropriate for discussion on R-sig-ecology are quite broad. For examples of what might be appropriate for discussion on this list, please see the Environmentrics Task View (http://cran.r-project.org/web/views/Environmetrics.html)" (taken from: https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-ecology) However, I did a quick search on the archives of 'R-sig-ecology' for the year 2011, and I could only found one single mail related to hydrology: https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-ecology/2011-July/002274.html (in the same search I couldn't find any single reference to hydrology in the R-sig-geo during the year 2011) I think the lack of posts related to hydrological sciences in dedicated R-sig-xxx mailing lists is not due to a lack of interest (in the same period I got several questions regarding the hydroTSM and hydroGOF packages), but they may be due to the fact that r-sig-geo or r-sig-ecology are not very intuitive for hydrologists So, if you think that creating a new mailing list only for hydrology and related sciences could lead to fragmentation of the community and a duplication of efforts, we could start using the 'R-sig-ecology' mailing list. Cheers, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini -- === FLOODS Action Water Resources Unit (H01) Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES) European Commission, Joint Research Centre (JRC) TP 261, Via Enrico Fermi 2749, 21027 Ispra (VA), Italy webinfo: http://floods.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ === DISCLAIMER: "The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official position of the European Commission." === Linux user #454569 -- Ubuntu user #17469 === "The greatest inspiration is often born of desperation." (Comer Cotrell) Cheers, Rainer Thanks in advance, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk86HRQACgkQoYgNqgF2egp1pwCfXrUJEBhQ8+50iwv7iYEZXa1C 7l4Anj9EmGCL3QE61VGZ/bw+/3r8n5b4 =bVRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/02/12 17:30, Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini wrote: > Dear R developers, > > Due to the increasing use R in hydrology and other close-related > environmental sciences, I would like to ask if it would be possible > to create a new Special Interest Group mailing list, called > 'R-sig-hydro', specially devoted those topics. If possible to do > so, I'd offer myself to maintain such mailing list (if needed). I think it would be more useful to use the R-sig-geo for that, as hydrology (please correct me if I am wrong - I am not an expert in hydrology) is mainly spatial. A fragmentation of the lists would need to duplicate effort by members. Cheers, Rainer > > > Thanks in advance, > > Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini > - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk86HRQACgkQoYgNqgF2egp1pwCfXrUJEBhQ8+50iwv7iYEZXa1C 7l4Anj9EmGCL3QE61VGZ/bw+/3r8n5b4 =bVRp -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
[Rd] requesting a new SIG mailing list
Dear R developers,
Due to the increasing use R in hydrology and other close-related
environmental sciences, I would like to ask if it would be possible to
create a new Special Interest Group mailing list, called 'R-sig-hydro',
specially devoted those topics. If possible to do so, I'd offer myself
to maintain such mailing list (if needed).
Thanks in advance,
Mauricio Zambrano-Bigiarini
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