Re: [R] Multivariate Multilevel Model: is R the right software for this problem

2012-04-12 Thread Eiko Fried
Very interesting book!
However, it doesn't cover multivariate models (I have 9 moderately
correlated, categorical dependent variables).

Again, I'm trying to find out whether 5 time-varying variables
(dichotomous; five different life events yes/no; subjects can have
several life events at the same time) cause differential profiles of my 9
depression variables in a longitudinal sample, controlling for
time-invariant covariates - exploratory.

Is this possible in R? If so, how? I thought about multilevel multivariate
mixed-effects models (random effect = subjects), but hardly find literature
for R.

Thanks a bunch!
Eiko



I recommend looking at chapter 6 of Paul Allison's *Fixed Effects
 Regression Models*.  This chapter outlines how you can use a structural
 equation modeling framework to estimate a multi-level model (a random
 effects model).  This approach is slower than just using MLM software like
 lmer() in the lme4 package, but has the advantage of being able to specify
 correlations between errors across time, the ability to control for
 time-invariant effects of time-invariant variables, and allows you to use
 the missing data maximum likelihood that comes in structural equation
 modeling packages.

 Hello,

 I've been trying to answer a problem I have had for some months now and
 came across multivariate multilevel modeling. I know MPLUS and SPSS quite
 well but these programs could not solve this specific difficulty.

 My problem:
 9 correlated dependent variables (medical symptoms; categorical, 0-3), 5
 measurement points, 10 time-varying covariates (life events; dichotomous,
 0-1), N ~ 900. Up to 35% missing values on some variables, especially at
 later measurement points.

 My exploratory question is whether there is an interaction effect between
 life events and symptoms - and if so, what the effect is exactly. E.g. life
 event 1 could lead to more symptoms A B D whereas life event 2 could lead
 to more symptoms A C D and less symptoms E.

 My question is: would MMM in R be a viable option for this? If so, could
 you recommend literature?

 Thank you
 --T




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Re: [R] Multivariate Multilevel Model: is R the right software for this problem

2012-04-12 Thread Bert Gunter
Wrong list. Post to R-sig-mixed-models

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Eiko Fried tor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Very interesting book!
 However, it doesn't cover multivariate models (I have 9 moderately
 correlated, categorical dependent variables).

 Again, I'm trying to find out whether 5 time-varying variables
 (dichotomous; five different life events yes/no; subjects can have
 several life events at the same time) cause differential profiles of my 9
 depression variables in a longitudinal sample, controlling for
 time-invariant covariates - exploratory.

 Is this possible in R? If so, how? I thought about multilevel multivariate
 mixed-effects models (random effect = subjects), but hardly find literature
 for R.

 Thanks a bunch!
 Eiko



 I recommend looking at chapter 6 of Paul Allison's *Fixed Effects
 Regression Models*.  This chapter outlines how you can use a structural
 equation modeling framework to estimate a multi-level model (a random
 effects model).  This approach is slower than just using MLM software like
 lmer() in the lme4 package, but has the advantage of being able to specify
 correlations between errors across time, the ability to control for
 time-invariant effects of time-invariant variables, and allows you to use
 the missing data maximum likelihood that comes in structural equation
 modeling packages.

 Hello,

 I've been trying to answer a problem I have had for some months now and
 came across multivariate multilevel modeling. I know MPLUS and SPSS quite
 well but these programs could not solve this specific difficulty.

 My problem:
 9 correlated dependent variables (medical symptoms; categorical, 0-3), 5
 measurement points, 10 time-varying covariates (life events; dichotomous,
 0-1), N ~ 900. Up to 35% missing values on some variables, especially at
 later measurement points.

 My exploratory question is whether there is an interaction effect between
 life events and symptoms - and if so, what the effect is exactly. E.g. life
 event 1 could lead to more symptoms A B D whereas life event 2 could lead
 to more symptoms A C D and less symptoms E.

 My question is: would MMM in R be a viable option for this? If so, could
 you recommend literature?

 Thank you
 --T




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[R] Multivariate Multilevel Model: is R the right software for this problem

2012-04-06 Thread Eiko Fried
Hello,

I've been trying to answer a problem I have had for some months now and
came across multivariate multilevel modeling. I know MPLUS and SPSS quite
well but these programs could not solve this specific difficulty.

My problem:
9 correlated dependent variables (medical symptoms; categorical, 0-3), 5
measurement points, 10 time-varying covariates (life events; dichotomous,
0-1), N ~ 900. Up to 35% missing values on some variables, especially at
later measurement points.

My exploratory question is whether there is an interaction effect between
life events and symptoms - and if so, what the effect is exactly. E.g. life
event 1 could lead to more symptoms A B D whereas life event 2 could lead
to more symptoms A C D and less symptoms E.

My question is: would MMM in R be a viable option for this? If so, could
you recommend literature?

Thank you
--T

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Re: [R] Multivariate Multilevel Model: is R the right software for this problem

2012-04-06 Thread Andrew Miles
I recommend looking at chapter 6 of Paul Allison's Fixed Effects Regression 
Models.  This chapter outlines how you can use a structural equation modeling 
framework to estimate a multi-level model (a random effects model).  This 
approach is slower than just using MLM software like lmer() in the lme4 
package, but has the advantage of being able to specify correlations between 
errors across time, the ability to control for time-invariant effects of 
time-invariant variables, and allows you to use the missing data maximum 
likelihood that comes in structural equation modeling packages.

Andrew Miles
Department of Sociology
Duke University

On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Eiko Fried wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I've been trying to answer a problem I have had for some months now and
 came across multivariate multilevel modeling. I know MPLUS and SPSS quite
 well but these programs could not solve this specific difficulty.
 
 My problem:
 9 correlated dependent variables (medical symptoms; categorical, 0-3), 5
 measurement points, 10 time-varying covariates (life events; dichotomous,
 0-1), N ~ 900. Up to 35% missing values on some variables, especially at
 later measurement points.
 
 My exploratory question is whether there is an interaction effect between
 life events and symptoms - and if so, what the effect is exactly. E.g. life
 event 1 could lead to more symptoms A B D whereas life event 2 could lead
 to more symptoms A C D and less symptoms E.
 
 My question is: would MMM in R be a viable option for this? If so, could
 you recommend literature?
 
 Thank you
 --T
 
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Re: [R] Multivariate Multilevel Model: is R the right software for this problem

2012-04-06 Thread Andrew Miles
I recommend looking at chapter 6 of Paul Allison's *Fixed Effects
Regression Models*.  This chapter outlines how you can use a structural
equation modeling framework to estimate a multi-level model (a random
effects model).  This approach is slower than just using MLM software like
lmer() in the lme4 package, but has the advantage of being able to specify
correlations between errors across time, the ability to control for
time-invariant effects of time-invariant variables, and allows you to use
the missing data maximum likelihood that comes in structural equation
modeling packages.

Andrew Miles

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