Re: [R-sig-phylo] lambda meaning on several traits

2013-08-09 Thread Adrián Arellano Davín
Ok, I did not have clear that Lambda is calculated over the residuals
values of the correlation...

Thank you very much for the links you sent me, they will be very useful

Cheers

Adrian


2013/8/8 Alejandro Gonzalez alejandro.gonza...@ebd.csic.es

 Hola Adrián,

 Here is my grain of sand. The lambda parameter you estimate gives you an
 idea of the evolutionary co-variance between all the traits included in the
 model, its the same interpretation as for the single trait, but in the case
 of multiple traits it provides information on the evolutionary co-variance
 as lambda estimates the phylogenetic signal of the residuals of the
 regression. An important point to add is that it is the evolutionary
 co-variance given the model of evolution, in this case Brownian motion,
 which has its underlying assumptions. You can look at recent papers by
 Tomas Hansen on this issue.

 There is quite a bit of literature on the subject, I can venture to
 recommend a few papers and maybe others in the list can add more:

 Martins and Hansen 1997 Phylogenies and the comparative method: a general
 approach to incorporating phylogenetic information into the analysis of
 interspecific data. American Naturalist 149

 Rholf 2006 A comment on phylogenetic correction. Evolution 60: 1509-1515

 Revell 2010 Phylogenetic signal and linear regression on species data.
 Methods in Ecology and Evolution 1: 319-329

 Revell et al 2008 Phylogenetic signal, evolutionary process and rate.
 Systematic Biology 57: 591-601

 Freckleton et al 2002 Phylogenetic analysis and comparative data: a test
 and review of evidence American Naturalist 160: 712-726

 Freckleton 2009 Seven deadly sins of comparative analysis. J Evol Biol
  22: 1367-1375


 Cheers

 Alejandro


 On 8, Aug 2013, at 2:33 PM, Adrián Arellano Davín wrote:

 Hi all,

 First of all, I am very much a newbie in phylogenetics, so the question I
 will ask may be a bit naïve. Here it is:

 I want to correlate some phenotypic traits of several species of animals.
 Let's say, body mass and brain size. To account for the non-independence of
 the points, I must use PGLS. One way to do this is searching a lambda
 parameter that maximises the likelihood of my tree under a Brownian Model
 of evolution.

 I think I can understand the meaning of having a lambda value for one
 phenotypic trait. And I think it makes sense because it gives you a rough
 idea of what kind of evolution is going on. But, what is the purpose of
 calculating a lambda for several traits at the same time? Does it make
 sense at all? Is it just a mathematical trick with no biological meaning?

 Thanks in advance

 Adri

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[R-sig-phylo] lambda meaning on several traits

2013-08-08 Thread Adrián Arellano Davín
Hi all,

First of all, I am very much a newbie in phylogenetics, so the question I
will ask may be a bit naïve. Here it is:

 I want to correlate some phenotypic traits of several species of animals.
Let's say, body mass and brain size. To account for the non-independence of
the points, I must use PGLS. One way to do this is searching a lambda
parameter that maximises the likelihood of my tree under a Brownian Model
of evolution.

 I think I can understand the meaning of having a lambda value for one
phenotypic trait. And I think it makes sense because it gives you a rough
idea of what kind of evolution is going on. But, what is the purpose of
calculating a lambda for several traits at the same time? Does it make
sense at all? Is it just a mathematical trick with no biological meaning?

 Thanks in advance

Adri

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