Re: [Radiant] JS-free view ? (newcomer)

2007-01-24 Thread John W. Long
Boris wrote:
 John W. Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The Radiant admin will probably always require Javascript.
 
 So I will probably never be able to use radiant :-(

While it saddens me that you can't find a Ruby solution to meet your 
needs, I'm afraid I have to fall back on the old excuse that I designed 
Radiant to meet my needs and expectations--not yours. Early on I made 
the decision that Javascript would be a requirement to improve the speed 
of development. There are times when there is not an easy way to create 
an alternate representation of the same functionality for browsers with 
Javascript turned off. So I made the decision that we would not support 
it--at least initially.

 So how could I bypass the admin view requiring JS ?  Is there a way to
 manage content offline ?

1. You can create and submit patches to repair the current implementation.

2. You can create an extension which provides a text-browser friendly 
version of the admin.

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Re: [Radiant] JS-free view ? (newcomer)

2007-01-23 Thread Sean Cribbs

Boris,

In order to get unobtrusive Javascript and full plain-text compatibility,
we would have to change a lot of the code -- maybe this can be a 1.0 goal.
Luckily JS is only required in the admin interface, so you might be able to
enable JS just for that domain/url in your browser.

Sean

On 1/23/07, Boris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,

I was looking for rails cms and finally, radiant is the one I want.
However I ride w3m in text mode (a11y background) and because of
javascript, I can't pass the demo test...

Is it possible to turn off javascript in the view layer?

if yes? then users += 1 end

Thanks!
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Re: [Radiant] JS-free view ? (newcomer)

2007-01-23 Thread Mislav Marohnić

On 1/23/07, Sean Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Luckily JS is only required in the admin interface, so you might be able
to enable JS just for that domain/url in your browser.



He cannot. It is a text browser not supporting JS
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Re: [Radiant] JS-free view ? (newcomer)

2007-01-23 Thread John W. Long
Boris wrote:
 I was looking for rails cms and finally, radiant is the one I want.
 However I ride w3m in text mode (a11y background) and because of
 javascript, I can't pass the demo test...

The Radiant admin will probably always require Javascript.

--
John Long
http://wiseheartdesign.com
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Re: [Radiant] JS-free view ? (newcomer)

2007-01-23 Thread Boris
John W. Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[...]

 The Radiant admin will probably always require Javascript.

So I will probably never be able to use radiant :-(

Requiring JS breaks overall radiant accessibility.  Isn't JS mostly
used to shrink the content tree ?  This would be great to relax this,
by providing simple fallbacks for people without JS support in their
browser, see quotes below.

Requiring JS would also break no-fluff and minimalistic claims,
IMO.

So how could I bypass the admin view requiring JS ?  Is there a way to
manage content offline ?

I'm looking forward to see radiant as the first accessible Rails CMS !

Thanks for your attention,

Quotes:

   developers need to provide fallback options for users on other
   platforms or browsers, as most methods of Ajax implementation rely
   on features only present in desktop graphical browsers.
 --Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming)#Accessibility

   AJAX and JavaScript are supposed to be used to enhance the user
   experience when run on a platform that supports it, they are not
   there to replace the job of the server in the first place
 --Brett Parker, http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/blog/2006/08/29
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Boris Daix
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