Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Am I being naive?

2009-12-18 Thread jamesg1979

Good points. Something I noticed though, when I switched back to my own
PC server, nothing would play though it displayed the song/radio
station. Rebooting it sorted the issue out. Guess it's just a bug


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Change Network Settings

2009-12-18 Thread toby10

Currently there is no edit feature for this.
We brought this up in Beta and I think (I hope) they do intend on
adding such edit features, but I'm not certain.
It would be nice to have such editable features for several purposes.
Network:  change SSID, encryption type, passphrase
MySB: change email, password


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Am I being naive?

2009-12-18 Thread JJZolx

jamesg1979;496463 Wrote: 
 That's really annoying, I don't mind doing this but unfortunately Mrs
 Jamesg will mind as it's too fiddly. Damn. Do you know if there's a fix
 planned for this?

What makes it fiddly?

Think about toby10's response and walk through it a few times.  You'll
see it makes sense the way it works.  Mrs Jamesg should never need to
worry about which server the Radio is connected to.  That's the whole
idea.  She can play Internet radio and music services no matter what the
Radio is connected to, without even knowing what that is.  To play from
My Music she has to confirm the switch to the local PC server (if it's
running).  Better to only prompt to switch when it becomes necessary
than to have the Radio jump automatically, which would disrupt the
playback of any music stream that might be playing.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Am I being naive?

2009-12-18 Thread didjean

jamesg1979;496725 Wrote: 
 Good points. Something I noticed though, when I switched back to my own
 PC server, nothing would play though it displayed the song/radio
 station. Rebooting it sorted the issue out. Guess it's just a bug

That's something I am also experiencing. See also this thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72182


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[SlimDevices: Radio] Live Music Archive

2009-12-18 Thread sportera

I just discovered the Live Music Archive app last night while playing
around with my radio.  I am very impressed with the amount of music
there.  I haven't had my radio but about 4 days so this may be a dumb
question but is there any way to listen to an entire concert without
having to manually pick the next song in the list every time a song
finishes?  Any input would be appreciated.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] All of a Sudden Get invalid mysqueezebox username or password message

2009-12-18 Thread adam8281

Aha - that was it, thanks!  I am running 7.5 beta.  Once I created a new
account on test.squeezebox.com everything worked perfectly!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Live Music Archive

2009-12-18 Thread garym

sportera;496776 Wrote: 
 I just discovered the Live Music Archive app last night while playing
 around with my radio.  I am very impressed with the amount of music
 there.  I haven't had my radio but about 4 days so this may be a dumb
 question but is there any way to listen to an entire concert without
 having to manually pick the next song in the list every time a song
 finishes?  Any input would be appreciated.

Not in front of me, but I recall that you simply navigate to the level
that has the show name (e.g., Grateful Dead - 05-06-1977 Boston and at
the show name level simply select play. It should then play all the
songs from that show. Unfortunately, there will be a small gap of
silence between each song.


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[SlimDevices: Radio] How can I make the now playing Screen look like the one on the package?

2009-12-18 Thread SushiDS

Hi there.

How can I make the now playing screen look like the one on the
package?
Is there any option / plugin to change this?

Greetings,
Sushi


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] How can I make the now playing Screen look like the one on the package?

2009-12-18 Thread Michael Herger
 How can I make the now playing screen look like the one on the
 package?

It'll be in 7.5.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] How can I make the now playing Screen look like the one on the package?

2009-12-18 Thread SushiDS

Will it also be customizable? 
Like in Musik-Informations Anzeige?
Then I think it's something to look forward to...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Streaming BBC On Demand Programmes

2009-12-18 Thread leemortimer

I've just received my SQ Radio and have been having the same problem as
'fernandoweb'.

So is there no way of using iPlayer listen again feature without ones
PC turned on? That's the main reason I bought it!

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Live Music Archive

2009-12-18 Thread sportera

Thank you for responding, I will give that a try.  I figured it was
probably something really easy!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Imminent Return -- How to Fix Alarms? Search? Tone Controls?

2009-12-18 Thread jef

This morning, I was again lucky to catch the Radio displaying the
Backup Alarm image and the square (stop) icon along with the connected
to wireless icon -- on pressing play, it indicates Connection reset bu
local host to my server (by IP and port, in the URL that scrolls by),
which was up and confirmed available by streaming to another SqueezeBox,
in trying to retrieve the Backup Alarm sound.

WTF -- This thing should be self-sufficient for alarms! I can accept
that it may not have battery backup, but it *should NOT require a server
to play a backup alarm.*

Past that, with the current release build of SlimServer, why does this
happen, even if it is trying to retrieve the default alarm from the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Live Music Archive

2009-12-18 Thread garym

I know for sure this works when selecting a concert from an artist
within squeezeboxserver (SbS) or the old SqueezeCenter.  You just add
the entire concert and it shows up as the current playlist and works.
Haven't tried from the mysqueezebox.com lately, but I know I've played a
concert on my bedside boom from mysqueezebox.com before while drifting
off to sleep and I'm sure I didn't have to select each song.  I'm at
work so can't play with this at the moment.


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[SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

After reading some forum posts, scouring a pile of websites, hunting for
SVN servers with client (appliance) code, and even looking at the docs,
I still don't know the answers to some very basic questions:

* ISTR from the one time I've seen an internet radio appliance used (a
Revo Pico, I think -- Reciva-based), the UI for browsing stations
involved navigating a shallow hierarchy of categories using a combined
knob + button.  Is the SB UI for selecting stations the same?  Is it
easy to search for stations by entering a text search term?  Does the
text search feature actually work well?
* Plugins run on the SBS host -- right?
* Apps run on the appliance, and don't depend on SBS -- right?
* Is there any common UI provided by all apps?  May an app (also)
provide a custom UI?  Is there a mix of web and appliance UI involved
here?  Specifically, if I install, for example, the AccuRadio app, do
a bunch of new stations show up in the Big Tree of Radio Stations that
the appliance lets me choose from?  Or do I have to learn a different
user interface for each app?
* Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another company
or other organisation to set up in competition with mysqueezebox.com? 
Do Logitech make this easy or difficult?  SBS and mysqueezebox.com
provide non-identical functionality -- right?
* If I want access to a fairly comprehensive set of radio stations
(say, similar to the list that Reciva offers), do I have to install a
whole bunch of apps?  Do I have to jump through lots of web
registration hoops to do that?  How does this compare to the situation
with Reciva-based radio appliances?  How much of a pain have you found
this to be?
* Ogg Vorbis and WMA support does not require SBS -- right?
* AAC support requires SBS -- right?
* Is flash supported?  Is SBS required for this?
* Is RealAudio supported?  Is SBS required for this?
* Roughly what proportion of internet radio stations require AAC,
RealAudio or flash?

To be honest, this is mostly out of curiosity by now: I suspect that
the fact that the Sales FAQ link I found was broken was the last straw
for me.  Well, that and the fact that the main thing I was looking for
to distinguish this from Reciva-based radios was hardware that won't
turn into a brick if the company goes out of business or behaves badly /
incompetently -- but it seems it doesn't do much better on that score
than the Reciva-based radios.

ISTM that companies that sell appliances -- especially those based on
open-source -- have missed out on a trick by not publishing a short
primer for geeks.  Geeks do some of your word-of-mouth marketing for
you, people, and we really, honestly, don't want to read reams of
confused mass-market marketing spam in order to find out pretty much
 all.  Write the answers to the questions above in a text file
(it'll occupy oh, maybe a whole side of A4 paper when printed out),
title it something suitably scary, and put it on your website.  Even
just commit at top level of SBS SVN if you can't bear to put it anywhere
else.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

 * Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another company
or other organisation to set up in competition with mysqueezebox.com? Do
Logitech make this easy or difficult? SBS and mysqueezebox.com provide
non-identical functionality -- right?

What I'm driving at here is that one couldn't use SBS to replace
mysqueezebox.com -- correct?

Does SBS connect to mysqueezebox.com?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] How can I make the now playing Screen look like the one on the package?

2009-12-18 Thread usch

mherger;496795 Wrote: 
  How can I make the now playing screen look like the one on the
  package?
 
 It'll be in 7.5.

7.5 comes with a free Ladytron app instead of Queen? :D

I'm afraid not, but I'd like that very much!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread toby10

dial;496884 Wrote: 
  
 Does SBS connect to mysqueezebox.com?

Yes, SBS uses MySB in the background.  That's why you must setup all
Apps and Music Service logins on MySB, to be used by either SBS or
connecting your player directly to MySB.

SBS does everything MySB will do, and more, and with greater
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread snarlydwarf

dial;496884 Wrote: 
  * Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another company
 or other organisation to set up in competition with mysqueezebox.com? Do
 Logitech make this easy or difficult? SBS and mysqueezebox.com provide
 non-identical functionality -- right?
 
 What I'm driving at here is that one couldn't use SBS to replace
 mysqueezebox.com -- correct?
 
 Does SBS connect to mysqueezebox.com?

SBS connects to MySB for 'some things' like Pandora and Rhapsody and
such.  It connects there at the moment for RadioTime, too, I think, but
it hasn't always been that way, and it certainly doesn't -need- to be
that way.  It's just a bit easier to centralize things I think.

SBS is mostly about serving local music.  MySB is mostly about
serving non-local music.  There is a ton of crossover, though, where
some things can be served from SBS -and- MySB.  For some of them, it's
only to make things consistent in the local music is SBS, non-local is
MySB scheme of things (ie, if it's non-local, maybe you turned off your
server and still want to access your
radiotime/live365/LiveMusicArchive/Lastfm/etc stations, so they're
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

Thanks for your helpful answers.

 I don't know why you believe that.

Perhaps the lack of clear documentation had something to do with it?

 
 The odds of a multihundredbillion dollar company vanishing overnight is
 pretty slim, though.
 

Is that so.

 
 I'd suggest you buy a Radio and try it.
 

I just did.  But it was a Reciva radio.

 If you want to be cheap, use an SB emulator like SoftSqueeze or
 SqueezePlay (though they are both -emulators- and not -exactly- the same
 as a hardware player, they are good enough to get the gist of things)
 and even try SBS on a machine.

Tried that.  It hung immediately on startup on my plain old Ubuntu
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread snarlydwarf

dial;496916 Wrote: 
 
 I just did.  But it was a Reciva radio.
 

Oh, well, so the point of your post was not at all to get pre-purchase
comments from other users, but rather to waste my time responding to
your questions?

Next time, it would be nice if you posted please don't use ten minutes
of your life responding to me, because I'm not interested and have
already made my decision.   It's sort of rude to ask questions of
fellow humans and then blow them off after wasting their time.

 
 Tried that.  It hung immediately on startup on my plain old Ubuntu
 karmic machine.

You have to build SqueezePlay yourself for Linux.  Softsqueeze is java
so should work fine on any compliant jre.

But a geek would know that.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

toby10;496914 Wrote: 
 Create a free www.MySqueezeBox.com account and see for yourself.:)
 

That involves answering the question how much time will task X take,
so that I may decide whether to do X by doing X, which might not turn
out well.

 The problem is how do you cram in 20 different Music Services, Apps,
 Podcast Services, RSS feeds, etc... into JUST the hardware player?  Then
 make all of these customizable/configurable and provide full management
 of such services all solely on the hardware player?  That's where a
 connection to a server comes in, in this case SBS and/or MySB.

That's a response to an objection you made up yourself.

I object to the fact that it's made artificially difficult to change
the server, not to the fact that a server is used.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread pippin

dial;496918 Wrote: 
 That involves answering the question how much time will task X take, so
 that I may decide whether to do X by doing X, which might not turn out
 well.
 
Less time than it takes us to only read all your questions.
 
 I object to the fact that it's made artificially difficult to change
 the server, not to the fact that a server is used.

Nothing is being made artificially difficult.
SBS is open source, it has all the communication protocols in it and
can play a URL without any support from MySB. If you want an
alternative, take it and build your own MySB replacement.

AFAIK, AAC works natively on Radio (not on the older SBs).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread snarlydwarf

dial;496920 Wrote: 
 
 
 I tried SoftSqueeze.  As you say, it should work, but that did not
 prevent it from not working :-)

Then you really should fix your JRE.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

pippin;496921 Wrote: 
 Less time than it takes us to only read all your questions.

If you look at it from my point of view, that depends on the answer to
the question I was asking.

In addition: forums are useful to record answers to these questions, so
that they don't need to be answered many times (through experimentation
or forum replies).

 Nothing is being made artificially difficult.
 SBS is open source, it has all the communication protocols in it and
 can play a URL without any support from MySB. If you want an
 alternative, take it and build your own MySB replacement.
 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread pippin

dial;496924 Wrote: 
 
 That's good.  It's just a shame it's not clearer from the website, etc.
It is clear is you read SBSs license agreement, the stuff that comes
with it or the beginners' guide in the Wiki:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/BeginnersGuide

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread toby10

dial;496918 Wrote: 
 ..
 That's a response to an objection you made up yourself.
 
 I object to the fact that it's made artificially difficult to change
 the server, not to the fact that a server is used.

No, its just a basic design decision, and a consumers choice based on
what features are available.   

Could Logitech turn off all MySB servers worldwide and end all future
SBS development tomorrow?  Sure, not likely, but possible. 

I have no experience with Reciva, perhaps you can enlighten us with a
side by side comparison of Reciva vs SB players?  
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread pippin

Pretty much all cheapo Internet Radios you'll find in your local CE
store will be based on Receiva.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Wireless Help - won't work with WEP

2009-12-18 Thread dklingner

If I move to a newer security protocol then my oldest Squeezebox device
will need to be abandoned as it only supports WEP.

I can connect fine with Ethernet and have updated the firmware but
still no luck with Wireless. Any other suggestions appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread toby10

pippin;496931 Wrote: 
 Pretty much all cheapo Internet Radios you'll find in your local CE
 store will be based on Receiva.

Radio Shack meets Roku.   :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread pippin

toby10;496933 Wrote: 
 Radio Shack meets Roku.   :)

Not really.
More like Radio Shack meets HTC or ASUS or Intel.
Receiva makes all the technology as a white label product and OEMs
package it up to nice products.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Can't connect to server

2009-12-18 Thread emair

Looks like I figured out why my laptop AND my Squeezebox Radio (over
Wifi) cannot connect to my server, BUT I can manually connect and stream
to them when using the server web access.

I use an Access Point to get onto my network. After looking in the
diagnostics information, although my devices use DHCP to get an
(appropriate) IP address from my router, the SqueezeServer thinks they
are at the hard-coded IP address of the wireless Access Point!

Ugh. Never had this problem with ANY other networking software. Anyone
have an idea of how to fix this??? Or what setting in my Access Point
could be causing this? I don't think a manual IP address on the device
will help, since IP packets still travel over the Access Point.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

snarlydwarf;496922 Wrote: 
 Then you really should fix your JRE.

My JRE was indeed old / broken.  The automated upgrade from Ubuntu
jaunty to Ubuntu karmic apparently didn't upgrade sun-java6-bin, and
apt-get install --reinstall didn't do the trick, had to apt-get remove:

$ aptitude show $(dpkg -S $(readlink -e $(which java)) | cut -d: -f1) 
Package: sun-java6-bin
State: installed
Automatically installed: yes
Version: 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04
Priority: optional
Section: non-free/libs
Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers ubuntu-m...@lists.ubuntu.com
Uncompressed Size: 82.2M
Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04), unixodbc, libc6
PreDepends: debconf (= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
Recommends: libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxt6, libxtst6,
libnss-mdns
Suggests: binfmt-support
Conflicts: binfmt-support ( 1.1.2)
Description: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture
dependent files)
The Sun Java Platform Standard Edition Runtime Environment (JRE) 6
contains the Java virtual machine, runtime class libraries, and Java
application launcher that are necessary
to run programs written in the Java progamming language. It is not a
development environment and doesn't contain development tools such as
compilers or debuggers. For
development tools, see the Java Development Kit JDK(TM) 6 (package
sun-java6-jdk). 

This package contains architecture dependent files.
Homepage: http://java.sun.com/javase/

$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall sun-java6-plugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Reinstallation of sun-java6-plugin is not possible, it cannot be
downloaded.
...
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
$ sudo apt-get remove sun-java6-bin
...
$ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin
...
$ dpkg -s $(dpkg -S $(readlink -e $(which java)) | cut -d: -f1) 
Package: sun-java6-bin
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: non-free/java
Installed-Size: 80320
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com
Architecture: amd64
Source: sun-java6
Version: 6-15-1
Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-15-1), unixodbc, libc6
Pre-Depends: debconf (= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
Recommends: libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxt6, libxtst6,
libnss-mdns
Suggests: binfmt-support
Conflicts: binfmt-support ( 1.1.2)
Conffiles:
/etc/java-6-sun/security/java.policy 0e6dc263b1cf008a123c5c4f4532bdaf
/etc/java-6-sun/security/java.security
5ea81df9cf4378e9020371208af0b9c7
/etc/java-6-sun/security/cacerts d8fd1ca23ed095ccad47c53197cd77c4
/etc/java-6-sun/management/jmxremote.access
f63bea1f4a31317f6f061d83215594df
/etc/java-6-sun/management/jmxremote.password
7b46c291e7073c31d3ce0adae2f7554f
/etc/java-6-sun/management/management.properties
81a43119ab15099c1d70e2d683fc8c0a
/etc/java-6-sun/management/snmp.acl 71a7de7dbe2977f6ece75c904d430b62
/etc/java-6-sun/calendars.properties 875a71d5d7552b5469d5ec4a41d397d2
/etc/java-6-sun/content-types.properties
4128f2c8908bedc62bc49190344fecf8
/etc/java-6-sun/logging.properties 2ebf6417293beb2566a950abc02b07e8
/etc/java-6-sun/sound.properties 4f95242740bfb7b133b879597947a41e
/etc/java-6-sun/flavormap.properties d85491fb6911ea9f927055403fa8afbe
/etc/java-6-sun/net.properties 19854300cbe8fc2d955111b0b31d0652
/etc/java-6-sun/fontconfig.properties
b500852b0ca9e0d5d95696ff26488b60
/etc/java-6-sun/jvm.cfg a3daca3a66b3cfe7ca1d075a593d6dea
Description: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture
dependent files)
The Sun Java Platform Standard Edition Runtime Environment (JRE) 6
contains the Java virtual machine, runtime class libraries, and
Java application launcher that are necessary to run programs written
in the Java progamming language. It is not a development environment
and
doesn't contain development tools such as compilers or debuggers.
For development tools, see the Java Development Kit JDK(TM) 6
(package sun-java6-jdk).
.
This package contains architecture dependent files.
Original-Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Homepage: http://java.sun.com/javase/

$ java -jar SoftSqueeze.jar
[no hang this time]

(I ran aptitude show rather than dpkg -s the first time, but I believe
6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04 was in fact the version installed)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread snarlydwarf

dial;496938 Wrote: 
 My JRE was indeed old / broken.  The automated upgrade from Ubuntu
 jaunty to Ubuntu karmic apparently didn't upgrade sun-java6-bin, and
 apt-get install --reinstall didn't do the trick, had to apt-get remove:
 

Wow that was neato.  I've never seen output from apt-get before.

I found all that to be very enlightening and not at all a waste of a
paste.

I hear there is 'dpkg -l' or something that would be much less spammy,
yet include the relevant version number.  But that's certainly not as
much fun as pasting all that.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

toby10;496930 Wrote: 
 No, its just a basic design decision, and a consumers choice based on
 what features are available.   
 

I genuinely think it's more significant than that.  Companies routinely
go out of business.  Studies have shown that company size is very weakly
correlated with likelihood of going out of business (de Guilmi, C;
Gallegati, M.; 2004, Physica A, Vol 334, pp.267-273).  Companies
routinely exploit lock-in in various ways not to the advantage of
customers.  The costs to customers may be non-obvious opportunity
costs.

 
 I have no experience with Reciva, perhaps you can enlighten us with a
 side by side comparison of Reciva vs SB players?  
 Maybe I'll jump ship based on your keen salesmanship abilities?  :)

Sorry, buying, not selling.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites

2009-12-18 Thread dial

snarlydwarf;496941 Wrote: 
 Wow that was neato.  I've never seen output from apt-get before.
 
 I found all that to be very enlightening and not at all a waste of a
 paste.
 
 I hear there is 'dpkg -l' or something that would be much less spammy,
 yet include the relevant version number.  But that's certainly not as
 much fun as pasting all that.

I'll take that as if it were a honest question:

* It's there so that googling will find it later.
* dpkg -l -- yes, that's slightly nicer than dpkg -s, thankyou.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Am I being naive?

2009-12-18 Thread rsaskew

I think fiddly doesn't begin to do justice to this device. I'd describe
it as a geek's wet dream and an average consumer's horror show. I wish
I'd spent an hour on this forum before buying a SBR. Maybe in a couple
of year's this device will be ready for prime time, but for now appears
to be a cool toy that can do a lot of different things for a wide range
of user needs, for people who who don't mind temperamental technology.
Unfortunately it can't do the basics simply and reliably.


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