Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
eap;550372 Wrote: Well all your problems would go away if you kept a computer running 24/7. Many people do. It doesn't harm anything. My wife and I use the alarm on the radio reliably (for about 6 months now). The people who have the most issues use mysb. I say, if you want to use the radio alarm, just run a computer 24/7. Its not a big deal to do so --- some people make it seem like its the end of the world. Frankly, with fios and cable speeds now, why would you want to wait to boot a computer. I would leave my PC on 24/7 even without a squeezebox radio. Then maybe Logitech should advertise it as an appliance that REQUIRES you to run your own server on a separate computer in order to work. Had I known that then I surely would not have spent a nickel on it. Better a small appliance that needs a little power to run over a small appliance and a computer on 24/7. I guess you aren't a huge fan of conservation. -- notwired notwired's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36797 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Word from Logitech regarding the last firmaware update:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16170#c68 --- Comment #68 from Alan Young ayou...@slimdevices.com 2010-05-25 01:23:14 PDT --- Here is a status report for those monitoring this bug: When 7.5.0 was released there was both new firmware for Squeezebox Radio and new software on mysqueezebox.com. People started reporting that their SB Radios stopped playing and many attributed this to problems to the 7.5.0 firmware. It seems highly likely that the actual cause was a bug introduced in to the mysqueezebox.com software. This bug was fixed on 17 May. Since then, behaviour should have reverted to that of 7.4.2. This is the key message in this comment. In the process of analysing the problems, we uncovered a number of vulnerabilities in the interactions between a player and mysqueezebox.com which could, under some circumstances, cause playback to stop unnecessarily. The SB Radio (and other SP-based players including the SB Touch) is slightly more likely to be affected by these than are older players (Classic, Boom, Duet, etc.) because of small differences in timings used by the firmware. We also uncovered a couple of related bugs in the SP firmware. None of these are changes between 7.4.2 and 7.5.0. Testing is currently under way for changes to both mysqueezebox.com and the firmware used for Radio and Touch to fix the identified bugs and substantially reduce the vulnerabilities. These fixes will be included in 7.5.1 and should represent an enhancement over 7.4.2 in this area. -- JWagner JWagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79116 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Word from Logitech regarding the last firmaware update:
I ran my radio with 7.5 for hours last weekend with no problems at all - so my experience is that it seems they did fix what was wrong with it. Cheers! -- JWagner JWagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79116 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox Radio in the bathroom
I would recommend that you place the radio as low in the bathroom as feasible since the warm moist air will tend to be higher in the room. Also have the exhaust fan running. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79102 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Radio as alarm clock problems when synced with Touch
I use my Radio as a bedside alarm clock. The normal alarm audio is streamed BBC Radio 4 (yeah, yeah I know... but I am getting older). It's worked pretty flawlessly for me since I got it and I was always worried by other poster's problems. With the SB3 on my downstairs system all was well. The idea being that it starts playing the radio as an alarm but I can switch it off (power button) and go downstairs turn the amp on and the SB3 was already continuing the radio stream. Now, since I got my Touch and did a sync to it I have been having problems. When I hit the volume or main button to snooze it does, but then will often come back with a very brief radio stream then goes to the default musical alarm as if it's unable to connect to the internet stream (via the NAS server). At this point another snooze works but the display will now have the snooze / turn off alarm display and will NOT leave it. The power button does nothing. Selecting either option does nothing. This morning I tried unsync from the Touch downstairs and the Radio then restarted playing the BBC radio stream but the unit was otherwise unresponsive. Each time I have had to open the battery compartment and pull the plug. After I do this the battery icon typically shows half charge, not full as I would expect after only a few minutes unplugged from the charger cable. I have no unsynced and will see what happens tomorrow morning. It has happened every time AFAICR since the Touch is in place. All this is via a ReadyNAS NV+ running 7.5(.1?). -- Peter Galbavy Peter Galbavy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79120 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox Radio in the bathroom
I take mine into the bathroom with the battery pack when I feel like it, no problems. However I imagine the increase in humidity may reduce the lifetime of some exposed components (speaker and/or headphone contacts perhaps). -- Peter Galbavy Peter Galbavy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79102 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
It's so frustrating to always hear that just keep you PC running 24h a day nonsense when you insist that the Radio simply doesn't work with MYSB. It's like telling someone with a wheelchair who insists to get a ramp to reach the mall to simply buy his stuff somewhere else. Now really: how can someone possible think that this same pointless response is worth to be posted over and over and over and over again? -- 0xdeadbeef 0xdeadbeef's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2287 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
Because some people might not know that there is a very reliable alternative. I don't want to defend Logitech for promising/advertising that it all works reliable without your own server. But just lets be pragmatic (from a user point of view) - what are your options when you can't give back the device ? 1) demand from logitech to fix it and wait until you're blue in your mind 2) sell it on ebay 3) make it working because most of the problems are not in the firmware but because of this damn unreliable mysb.com server. The forum can't help you with 1) or 2). But it can help you with 3) Yes this is not how its supposed to be when you buy a product. Still its your only chance make your freedom with your device now. -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
0xdeadbeef;550415 Wrote: It's so frustrating to always hear that just keep you PC running 24h a day nonsense when you insist that the Radio simply doesn't work with MYSB. It's like telling someone with a wheelchair who insists to get a ramp to reach the mall to simply buy his stuff somewhere else. Now really: how can someone possible think that this same pointless response is worth to be posted over and over and over and over again? Using the server software fixes the problem in most cases. Yes, this in NOT what you wanted to do. Bluegaspode pretty well sums up the options you have. Unless you give up and sell your radio you are going to have to wait for Logitech to fix this. Yeah it is not fair, not right, false advertising, etc, etc, etc.but it is what it is. Since it is what it is...using the server software is the best, temporary, most reliable fix. -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Word from Logitech regarding the last firmaware update:
0xdeadbeef;550413 Wrote: Nope, nothing fixed at all. This morning there was the backup alarm again and neither yesterday nor today the Radio was willing to remember the background setting for the clock and always returned to the shades of gray after a few minutes. So it's still like it always was after that damned 7.5.0 came out. Aren't the problem Alan describes only related to the playback disturbances ? I don't think they've fixed the alarm problems yet, at least my Radio still plays the fallback alarm every morning, it's just a matter if it plays it immediately or after it has played music for a while. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79116 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Word from Logitech regarding the last firmaware update:
I consider all of this to be related. Radio and MYSB get in some error state were they can't communicate properly or only think they can't and then the stream stops without any of the sides taking a counteraction or one of the other faulty events happens. E.g. to me an alarm stopping after five seconds and an alarm changing to backup alarm after 5 seconds have the same root cause and only the result is slightly different due to chaotic software design (lack of thread/event synchronization etc.). Besides, the last time they fixed the server side in February, this cured all of these issues to a usable degree, not only the stopping of streams. So either they introduced more bugs than they think or they didn't properly fix the one they introduced in 7.5.0. -- 0xdeadbeef 0xdeadbeef's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2287 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79116 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
Just a statement of fact. Your options are few. Sell the radio. Shelf the radio. Or live with it as it is until it is fixed. The forums are overrun with bitc*ing users upset with their radio. I am quite willing to grant that their problems are legitimate. That said, the bitc*ing fixes nothing. I, for one, get tired of reading it. Running the server software will likely fix the problem. Some users don't want to do it. Fine. But, constantly complaining and griping about it is not going to change anything. Personally, I find this forum much less friendly and enjoyable these days. I try and help the users I can. But, no one is going to post a magical fix for the problems people are having with the radio. Logitech has to do that. I have no doubt they are working on it. Those having a problem are just doing to have to wait until it is fixed. Tough luck to be sure..but that's just how it is. Bruce -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
brucegrr;550449 Wrote: That said, the bitc*ing fixes nothing. I, for one, get tired of reading it. +1 I sometimes wish there was a Complaints section which I could completly ignore. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] dropping connection after firmware update
Ikabob;550284 Wrote: How do you know for sure that the router wasn't the problem to begin with? Just curious. There is a strong chance it could be router related, as I first roled back to 7.4.2. and still had drops. Was only when I made the router adjustments did I get consistency (combined with 7.4.2.) Thing is, now that its working (and it still is after 2 days) I cant really be ar$ed to check if these router settings work under 7.5 Its not broken so why fix it? ;-) I will wait until I see some happy customers on the forum with 7.5.1 ++ -- prototype prototype's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76938 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
notwired;550374 Wrote: Then maybe Logitech should advertise it as an appliance that REQUIRES you to run your own server on a separate computer in order to work. Had I known that then I surely would not have spent a nickel on it. Better a small appliance that needs a little power to run over a small appliance and a computer on 24/7. I guess you aren't a huge fan of conservation. You are not running a SERVER -- you are running some squeezebox software on a home computer. I think people hear server and think they need to run a giant commercial type piece of hardware that sits in a rack, with water chillers in the room and halon gas for fire supression. Its some software that runs on a laptop or a PC or a macbook. What's the big deal? If you have a monitor that turns off after 20 minutes, the power consumption is too small to cry about. Modern computers do not need to be turned off -- EVER. Set the monitor to go off when inactive, the rest is not worth crying about -- unless you prefer to complain about mysb. Wouldn't you rather have more local control, then have to 100% rely on Logitech's servers? -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
0xdeadbeef;550415 Wrote: It's so frustrating to always hear that just keep you PC running 24h a day nonsense when you insist that the Radio simply doesn't work with MYSB. It's like telling someone with a wheelchair who insists to get a ramp to reach the mall to simply buy his stuff somewhere else. Now really: how can someone possible think that this same pointless response is worth to be posted over and over and over and over again? Well I don't understand why someone who has legs that work would sit in a wheelchair. Those who insist on using MYSB exclusively are crippling themselves for no good reason. Who would want to rely 100% on logitech's servers. You have more control if you use squeezebox software locally and the alarm is reliable. End of story. Is it that big a deal to keep a home computer on and run some squeezebox software on it? -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
0xdeadbeef;550438 Wrote: Now this was helpful. Yeah, you know it wasn't. What is your issue with using a home computer and some squeezebox software? Its not that big a deal. -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
eap;550461 Wrote: Well I don't understand why someone who has legs that work would sit in a wheelchair. Those who insist on using MYSB exclusively are crippling themselves for no good reason. Who would want to rely 100% on logitech's servers. You have more control if you use squeezebox software locally and the alarm is reliable. End of story. Is it that big a deal to keep a home computer on and run some squeezebox software on it? While I agree with you, the radio is supposed to work using mysb.com. I guess there are a few users that have a router and no computer. :) Though I am not sure how they set up their router. Most everyone has a computer they can use for the squeezebox server software. I have a computer in my office I leave on 24/7 (win 7) It is the BEST solution. That said, there are some users who want to use the radio for online music alone and so they use mysb.com. Logitech bears some responsibility for how this product was advertised. This is how Logitech advertises the radio: bYour all-in-one Wi-Fi music player#8212;no computer, no clutter, and no limits. The compact Logitech Squeezebox Radio works with your Wi-Fi network to stream a world of crystal-clear music to any room you want. Just plug it in and turn the dial to connect to an underground rock station in Amsterdam, talk show in Sydney, sports coverage from Boston or BBC news from London. Discover millions of tracks from online services like Last.fm and Pandora. With its built-in high-fidelity amplifier and speakers, you'll enjoy room-filling sound#8212;all from a little music player that fits easily on a corner of your kitchen counter, bedroom night table, or desk in the den. /b It clearly says NO COMPUTER. So the complaint that some people have is valid. Bruce -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
eap;550462 Wrote: What is your issue with using a home computer and some squeezebox software? Its not that big a deal. Stop. Just stop. Plenty of people have plenty of reasons (noise, energy, WAF, cost of electricity, etc.) not to run a server 24x7, so just stop, OK? -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
erland;550452 Wrote: +1 I sometimes wish there was a Complaints section which I could completely ignore. +1000 :) I allow for the fact that people get upset when they buy something and it doesn't work as advertised. I understand their anger over advertising that said one thing and then delivered something else. But, once they ask for help and find out there is no fix at this time...(and since this is a user forum not an official Logitech support forum)the bitc*ing needs to stop. A free-for-all complaint section would certainly clear up a lot of the posts in the forums. -- brucegrr brucegrr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3964 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Radio fine with MSB, can't connect to SBS
I've just moved my Radio into a different room, and gone to wifi. Signal is pretty strong, and it works perfectly with internet radio via MySqueezebox. However, when I try to play my music, or switch it to the local server via the web interface, it fails to see the server. Every other SB in the house is fine, some wired and some wireless. On the device it says to get a server, and the web interface offers to connect it to the server, but just doesn't do so when I select yes. Any ideas? I did a factory reset on the unit, thinking it had randomly got into a fug, but that didn't help. I can't think even where to start with the problem. -- adamslim You can't have too much music, but I do have too much hifi Rock/Excalibur/MC30S, Linn Akurate Skweezy DS, Audion Pre, 6B4G SET, Lowther monsters Duet, Caiman, Audio Innovations Series 500, One Thing Quad ESLs Boom x 2, Radio adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79124 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox Radio in the bathroom
I have a SB Radio in my master bath mounted on a shelf about 5 ft off the floor and about 2 ft from the shower. I use it all the time and it works great (so far at least). I've only had it there for about 2 months or so, so I can't really comment on the long term effects of humidity. But I do always run the exhast fan when showering, and the fan is almost directly overhead, so I don't expect any major issues. -- RichardDavies RichardDavies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79102 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
peterw;550468 Wrote: Stop. Just stop. Plenty of people have plenty of reasons (noise, energy, WAF, cost of electricity, etc.) not to run a server 24x7, so just stop, OK? I think the reasons are overstated and not well-thought out (not to mention people being scared by the word server -- hence I prefer to call it running an application on your home computer): 1. Noise: I have a large desktop PC. Its fans are not audible above ambient background sounds from more than a foot or so away. Most modern computers are not particularly noisy anymore. 2. Energy/cost of electricity: As explained, these costs are typically minimal as long as a monitor is set to sleep after a period of inactivity. It is not more green to have people using mysb exclusively, thus requiring logitech to expand its energy use for a commercial data center; 3. WAF: For the reasons above, WAF should not be a factor -- divorce is an option too ;) -- eap eap's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] The remote is magnetic....
Just epoxy a metal washer to the Radio and there you go... --rt ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
peterw;550468 Wrote: Stop. Just stop. Plenty of people have plenty of reasons (noise, energy, WAF, cost of electricity, etc.) not to run a server 24x7, so just stop, OK? This little device called SheevaPlug mentioned somewhere else in this forum (which has got very good support by the community here) doesn't have any noise (no fans), doesn't consume much energy (3W on idle) and has the best WAF I know of (its a plug, its sort of invisible - what could have a better woman acceptance factor than invisible stuff?). In the meantime my wifes even enjoys listening to Squeezeboxes (she of course (!) complained a lot about the Logi-Stuff I bought). THAT's what I call WAF. I converted this plug also to being my new printserver - so I'm even saving energy because I don't have to turn on the 'big' computer just to print. It also acts as my NAS - and again I don't have to turn on my big computer if I need access to some files from my laptop. And I even safed money compared to other solutions. So yes - maybe you didn't want to spend 150$ more (SheevaPlug + HD). I agree. But money is the only reason I accept for not having a 24x7 server that could suit your needs in so many other good ways. It might even take you one more weekend to set up. But than again - your life will be at least a year longer if you just do it and stop pushing your anger about logitech. Life's just not worth it. And logitech for sure doesn't deserve shortening your life. We get ripped off by big companies and their adverts all the time. But at least with the Logi-devices I was able to help myself. All this of course shouldn't prevent you from giving bad amazon reviews, write letters to review magazines and all that. Take your anger and use the channels that matters to higher management ! But I think this forum is the least place where you should place your complaints in my opinion. Here we talk about workarounds and try to help to make the best of what we bought. Here we are happy that people like erland put their life into giving us all the stuff logitech isn't capable of (hope they as well push his donate button regularly). And for alarms: I think hoping that it will ever work with MySB.com is too much. Apparently with their current architecture (communicating with mysb.com at alarm time) all their sold devices run a coordinated DenialOfService-Attack against their own servers. Each day. Sure you can wait for the big rearchitecture to come - but don't think that it will be in less than six month (if they dare to do it at all). -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
eap;550462 Wrote: What is your issue with using a home computer and some squeezebox software? Its not that big a deal. We heard you the first time. Ever heard of truth in advertising? Let me guess, you work in marketing? I wonder what a consumer reports type organization would think of Logitech's practices. I'm fairly confident they would stand firmly on my side of the fence. -- notwired notwired's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36797 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
eap;550496 Wrote: I think the reasons are overstated and not well-thought out Yes, the rest of us are idiots. We get it. Now will you please stop? -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
notwired;550540 Wrote: I wonder what a consumer reports type organization would think of Logitech's practices. I'm fairly confident they would stand firmly on my side of the fence. Sure they will. But it won't make your life happier. Unfortunately you have to choose between being right in your arguments (which you are) or jumping over this fence and getting happy (most of the time ;) ) right now. I always strive after happiness :D Maybe the best one can get is a voucher from logitech if you complain really hard (at the right channels). -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
Hell, this is so annoying. Why can't certain Squeezebox fans stop to spam every thread that names the blatant bugs with their we know better what you want attitude? And heck, if Logitech ignores all the unhappy users and doesn't show any interest in fixing the issues for such a long time, it's not very surprising that customers use the forum to utter their frustration. Telling them that they don't have a problem or that they should shut up is not a very sensible approach. Finally fixing the issues after all these months would effectively stop people from complaining though. You would think that the Logitech management finally realizes that the number of complaints in the forum and in Amazon reviews simply reflects the situation. And honestly, demanding to move all these threads to a faraway complaints forum that can be easily ignored is a slap in the face of everybody who bought a SB Radio because he believed in Logitech's promises. -- 0xdeadbeef 0xdeadbeef's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2287 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
brucegrr;550467 Wrote: While I agree with you, the radio is supposed to work using mysb.com. I guess there are a few users that have a router and no computer. :) Though I am not sure how they set up their router. While not my situation, I do know several people who have a home router to support their laptop. The laptop may go to work or school with one person and leave others in the house computerless. MySB would let those people continue to use the Radio in that situation. While I run a music server, I appreciate that, with the Radio in particular, it'd be nice if Logitech could get MySB straightened out. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Winamp Playlist???
once again, thanks! ... i just saw that as well. -- randyleahy randyleahy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37647 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79099 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
For people on this thread who refused to participate in bugzilla process (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16170) and thereby be kept up-to-date, this is the latest up-date from the Logitechs: Alan Young 2010-05-25 01:23:14 PDT Here is a status report for those monitoring this bug: When 7.5.0 was released there was both new firmware for Squeezebox Radio and new software on mysqueezebox.com. People started reporting that their SB Radios stopped playing and many attributed this to problems to the 7.5.0 firmware. It seems highly likely that the actual cause was a bug introduced in to the mysqueezebox.com software. This bug was fixed on 17 May. Since then, behaviour should have reverted to that of 7.4.2. This is the key message in this comment. In the process of analysing the problems, we uncovered a number of vulnerabilities in the interactions between a player and mysqueezebox.com which could, under some circumstances, cause playback to stop unnecessarily. The SB Radio (and other SP-based players including the SB Touch) is slightly more likely to be affected by these than are older players (Classic, Boom, Duet, etc.) because of small differences in timings used by the firmware. We also uncovered a couple of related bugs in the SP firmware. None of these are changes between 7.4.2 and 7.5.0. Testing is currently under way for changes to both mysqueezebox.com and the firmware used for Radio and Touch to fix the identified bugs and substantially reduce the vulnerabilities. These fixes will be included in 7.5.1 and should represent an enhancement over 7.4.2 in this area. -- mpower9 mpower9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] error: no items in playlist
So what's the latest on this issue? Is an update required to be able to listen to clear channel stations with the SB radio? If the SB radio can handle AAC then why won't clear channel stations work properly? -- thunder3dan thunder3dan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37821 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78689 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
iPhone;550598 Wrote: Not stirring the pot to much but lets get real. The SB Radio's main feature *-IS NOT-* that it is an alarm clock! Its called an SB Radio. Not an SB Radio Alarm Clock much less an SB Alarm Clock. Maybe it should have an Internet Radio button (with the RKO-style radio tower icon?) instead of that Alarm button, then. Not stirring the pot too much -- yeah, right. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] I am getting totally fed up!
iPhone;550598 Wrote: Not stirring the pot to much but lets get real. The SB Radio's main feature *-IS NOT-* that it is an alarm clock! Its called an SB Radio. Not an SB Radio Alarm Clock much less an SB Alarm Clock. I've had the same thoughts as you earlier but I have to say that I've changed my mind a bit. The physical size and advertising clearly results in that many people are going to use the Radio in the bedroom and when used in the bedroom a reliable alarm is maybe the most important feature. However, I think the most critical bug is MySB reliability and the randomly stopped audio streams when using MySB. Hopefully that part should be soon solved according to Alan's status report in bugzilla. iPhone;550598 Wrote: The Squeezebox was designed to work best when using a PC/Server running SBS. Will it 'work' without one logged into mysb.com, sure it will. Will using mysb.com ever be as reliable as running a dedicated SBS machine (PC, Server, NAS, SheevaPlug, Laptop), never, not even if every bug and complaint were fixed tomorrow. You are correct that it works better with a local PC/server but I really believe Logitech has designed it to work better with MySB.com. One example is that during the beta tests we had a lot of discussions regarding the initial setup process and it was very clear that Logitech wanted it to be optimized for users without a local PC/server with the result that it doesn't work as good as it could for people with a local server. Logitech is very dedicated to make sure MySB works, in many cases I think it's a lot more important for them than making sure your local server works. However, at the moment it's clear that they have failed in their intentions regarding this because at the moment it works better with a local server. iPhone;550598 Wrote: For again, there are other people and technologies involved that are nowhere near fault proof. There is the Internet connection (all of them, not just your home one), the mysb.com servers, ones modem, ones network, and everything else. So look at what is really involved and stop calling a Squeezebox on mysb.com an alarm clock for it is NOT! To many things can go wrong to cause an alarm not to sound. That's not the fault of MySB, it's the alarm functionality that's designed incorrectly mainly due to inheritance from the older Squeezebox products. It would be possible to make the alarm functionality less dependent on MySB or even not dependent on a server/MySB at all, it's just a matter of changing the alarm handling logic. iPhone;550598 Wrote: And nobody give me that Energy/Environmentalist crap about leaving a Mac Mini/DIY Atom/Fit-PC2 on all the time when it uses only 6 to 23 watts (SheevaPlug 3W). All your TVs are plugged in, the picture might be off, but its sucking down electricity when you think its off or it wouldn't come on instantly when you press On. I'll bet most of you have Central Heat/AC too. As well as other things that run 24/7 that one never even thinks about. We really should not critique people that wants to care for our planet, every watt counts even though some things might be pretty small when you look at the big picture. However, you are right that there are a lot of better solutions than running a 100W server 24/7. A DIY server or a sheevaplug works really good if you are able to set it up but for some people it's too advanced. I suspect a Vortexbox appliance might be the best solution for people that want something that just works and is easy to setup but that will make it a bit more expensive. I understand that some people don't want to spend additionally $300-400 to make their $199 fancy alarm clock to work reliably. $99 for a sheevaplug might be acceptable but it's too advanced to setup for some people. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78256 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Larger Clock when alarm is on?
squishy;550349 Wrote: Hi Erland The custom alarm worked just great, with one caveat that might be user error. I pressed the volume knob to snooze the alarm (as I normally do on the default alarm) but it seems to only mute the sound. The snooze never fired. Pushing the volume knob is supposed to work, it worked for me this morning. However, one strange thing is that when clicking mute it goes back to stopped screen saver instead of off screen saver, this feels wrong to me. I haven't used snooze with the standard alarm popup so I'm not sure which screen saver it shows ? do you know ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78973 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
