Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox Radio would not connect to LMS 8: "Update required"
Man in a van wrote: > Just for information: > > I enabled the Version comparison fix patch a long, long , long time > ago. > > I recently noticed this warning. > > and the patch is still enabled. > > A restart of LMS removes the warnings temporarily > > > ronnie I had much the same experience after installing Community firmware on my radio recently, except that the warning (I only saw the first one) did not return after a restart of LMS. I'm running 8.4. Usually running latest beta LMS nightly on Raspberry Pi OS with virtual players (Squeezelite and Airplay bridge). Occasionally using SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111938 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Community Build Radio Firmware
P Nelson wrote: > For the speaker output, does the Both Channels Stereo or Mono have the > same result, or is there actually a sonic difference? The reason I ask > does combining a right and left signal result to the same speaker result > in a canceling or enhancing an audio signal? Not @ralphy, but I would expect the same result. As I recall it, Both Channels (Mono) pushes (L+R)÷2 (i.e. Mid ÷ 2) into each of the L & R components. The Radio speakers DSP mixer simply combines L & R components with L+R, i.e. it makes Mid. Either way, we get the same result, theres no tinkering around with Side. Of course, if the source L & R has been mixed with some phase cancelling/enhancement/effects stuff then Mid could be made to sound odd, or just plain silent. I would suppose that such a source could hardly be a good candidate for monaural reproduction. The Radio headphones DSP mixer does nothing, i.e. it is a pass through. Im too far from my Radio to actually physically test mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111663 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sound and performance quality of SB Radio compared to SB Boom
For the purchased-used Boom, I have the power cord in a small coil and the Boom placed on top of it. That, together with a request to my wife to not move or bump it, seems to work for now. I will see if using a small bit of masking tape connecting the cord to the back of the device will keep it from moving and maintain a stable connection. When the power remains on, the Boom works fine. I just checked - I do have a Netgear AX1800 router at this location, a second home in Southern Cal. I will get a radio and if I find trouble with the Wifi connection, the good advice y'all have provided will allow me to resolve it with an Iogear device. I have an Iogear device here in use for a Verizon minitower (not an amplifier) that has only ethernet capability that I wanted to locate away from the router location. It works fine with this router. I don't think losing battery functionality would be an issue Downloading and installing supplemental software is beyond my ability or interest. PNelson, I'll try to remember to refer back to this thread should I take a Boom out of service. Thanks again. My education and occupational pursuits were not directly in the tech field. I felt it was a big accomplishment overcoming the learning curve 15+ years ago and getting comfortable with setting up and using an SB environment in my house. It was a big deal for me, because it's something less than user friendly for a duffer. This forum and its participants have never failed to provide knowledgeable help and I again thank you all for taking the time to share your expertise. Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117319 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Community Build Radio Firmware
Okay I am guessing, both channels mono, mixes the 2 channels together and then sends that mixed audio to both physical channels? bengaldave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4605 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111663 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sound and performance quality of SB Radio compared to SB Boom
I suffer from the Wifi 6 (AX) problem and Jim (Redrum) summarizes the wifi interference problem accurately for the SB radio. Installing Wlanpoke on the radio will help with the interference but may not eliminate it. If the problem is due to a neighbor, bypassing the internal wifi in the radio using ethernet is the only 100% solution. (That is ignoring changing your neighbor's wifi as a solution.) If you don't want the Boom, I am in SoCal and would be willing to pay the shipping, so it does not get tossed. Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117319 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Community Build Radio Firmware
Ralphy, Can you please confirm my understanding of the "Output Channel Mode" settings for an SB Radio Both Channels (Stereo) = Stereo output to the headphone jack. Effectively a mono output to the single speaker. Left Channel = Left Channel to the speaker. What is the output of the headphone jack? Right Channel = Right Channel to the speaker. What is the output of the headphone jack? Both Channels (Mono) = Mono output to speaker and headphone jack. The information dialog on the setting in LMS could use an update. For the speaker output, does the Both Channels Stereo or Mono have the same result, or is there actually a sonic difference? The reason I ask does combining a right and left signal result to the same speaker result in a canceling or enhancing an audio signal? P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111663 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sound and performance quality of SB Radio compared to SB Boom
Goodsounds wrote: > Thank you both for the responses. From your experiences I think I'll get > one. Replacing/repairing/etc. is well beyond my abilities or interest - > either something works adequately and I can use it, or if it no longer > does, it gets tossed. > > Just one question, Jim mentions a Wifi issue. Can you give me a bit more > info about the Wifi problem please? > > The Wifi feature died on my Boom a good number of years ago - I bought > an Iogear ethernet to wifi adaptor and it's been working well. I presume > I could configure a Radio for ethernet and then similarly use an Iogear > device if I have a problem? > > Thanks again. If you connect the Radio via ethernet, then the WIFI issues you've read about are not relevant. Redrum provided a good summary of the Radio WIFI issue. I don't have this problem either. At one location I use RADIO with ethernet. At my other location, I use Radio with WIFI, but so far have no neighbors with new routers that *may* cause the problems. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.2.x/4TB>LMS 8.3.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win11(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone14Pro & iPadAir5 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117319 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sound and performance quality of SB Radio compared to SB Boom
Goodsounds wrote: > either something works adequately and I can use it, or if it no longer > does, it gets tossed. > One last thing, don't toss these, they don't make them anymore! :) Down the road, if you posted here offering a sb device, say for the cost of shipping, someone would grab them up. JoeMuc2009 in Germany fixes booms for others, so a "for parts" would always be welcome. A lot of the rest of us like to tinker as well. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117319 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Community Build Radio Firmware
bengaldave wrote: > Thanks but still do not understand, what is the effect of both channels > mono in contrast to both channels stereo? > Thanks I have not played with these settings so this is a guess. The radio speakers are mixed stereo, pseudo mono. The headphone jack is true stereo. The setting affects the jack, but really does not affect what you hear from the speaker. give it a listen yourself, see what you think. Listen to old beatles where they had instruments in one channel and vocals in the other :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111663 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sound and performance quality of SB Radio compared to SB Boom
Goodsounds wrote: > Thank you both for the responses. From your experiences I think I'll get > one. Replacing/repairing/etc. is well beyond my abilities or interest - > either something works adequately and I can use it, or if it no longer > does, it gets tossed. > > Just one question, Jim mentions a Wifi issue. Can you give me a bit more > info about the Wifi problem please? > > The Wifi feature died on my Boom a good number of years ago - I bought > an Iogear ethernet to wifi adaptor and it's been working well. I presume > I could configure a Radio for ethernet and then similarly use an Iogear > device if I have a problem? > > Thanks again. Within the last couple years a number of members experienced radios disconnecting from wifi. It has been theorized (probably true) that this is due to the introduction of wifi 6 routers (802.11ax), either the user's router or a neighbor's. I have not experienced the problems because I have older routers (ac), and live in a very rural area. Here is the thread that I remember as being one of the firsts (alot of posts!), but there are others: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109953-WiFi-connection-unstable-lost-on-three-Radios The source of the problem seems to be the wifi SOC/board/etc that was used on the radio, but not on the touch, boom, etc. Again, "seems" as there is alot of (well educated) supposition involved. There are a number of "fixes" that work for many, but no definitive patch/repair/etc. Wlanpoke, wifi dongle, range extender, etc. Each "fix" seems to have it's compromise. For example the vonet wifi dongle plugs into the ethernet port of the radio, and the wifi of the dongle is used (not susceptible to wifi6). The downside is it's not a solution for use on battery. Your iogear solution for the boom is similar, and I would guess (not know) that if it works for the boom it would work for the radio, as it's the radio's internal wifi that is suspected. Here is the thread for trying wlanpoke, along with disconnection discussions: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114775-Simplified-instructions-for-Squeezebox-Radio-Wi-Fi-fix-(wlanpoke) So, you could start by checking your router to see it its an, ac, or ax. But the neighbors could always come into play if they are close. But of course, I have to mention again, you might not have any problems (like me and others). I would hate for this to deter you from trying a radio Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=117319 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox Radio would not connect to LMS 8: "Update required"
Just for information: I enabled the Version comparison fix patch a long, long , long time ago. I recently noticed this warning > Player Information > Information on all identified devices connected to Logitech Media Server > You seem to be using a Squeezebox with an outdated firmware, not > recognizing this version of Logitech Media Server. Please consider using > the Community Firmware plugin, or patching the device's firmware (get > more information). and this > file:///var/lib/squeezeboxserver/prefs/clientplaylist_020e8e229d76.m3u > doesn't exist on disk - skipping! > [23-01-01 11:20:41.2877] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::DASH::_parseMPD_part2 > (615) Pref used:Dashspeed_live pref value : 1 pref speeds: 1 Chosen > rep id audio=32 Bandwidth = 32 Codecs = mp4a.40.2 > [23-01-01 11:47:51.1171] Slim::Networking::Discovery::getFakeVersion > (131) > You're using a SB Radio with a buggy firmware not recognizing this > version of Logitech Media Server. > Please consider patching it. Until then we'll try to play nice and > return a fake version number... > > See > https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/blob/public/8.0/README.md#sb-radio-and-logitech-media-server-8. > running> Logitech Media Server Version: 8.3.1 - 1670824772 @ Mon 12 Dec 2022 > 07:31:54 AM CET > Hostname: rpi8gb > Server IP Address: 192.168.1.12 > Server HTTP Port Number: 9000 > Operating system: Debian - EN_GB - utf8 > Platform Architecture: armv7l-linux > Perl Version: 5.32.1 - arm-linux-gnueabihf-thread-multi-64int > Audio::Scan: 1.06 > IO::Socket::SSL: 2.069 > Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0) > Total Players Recognized: 2 and the patch is still enabled. A restart of LMS removes the warnings temporarily ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111938 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
