Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
My HQRP battery bought in February 2018 finally died this week after 2 years 7 months. Death was fairly sudden after I noticed I was charging it more frequently over the last few weeks. The last time I charged it, it reported full charge far too quickly and turned off within a few seconds of removing the power cord. My replacement is a Cameron Sino, let's see how long this one lasts. At least it reports correct voltages for Vmon1 and Vmon2 in diagnostics [emoji3]. The battery in my other Radio which is plugged in almost 24/7 is still the original and is still going strong. I used it while I was waiting for the replacement and ran it until "Please charge me" and it managed more than 7 hours. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
Mine shows 1598 Sb42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
Sb42 wrote: > What's an MSP? It's the top item under the Power menu - other than that, I don't know what it is but I'd like to... pseud's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41902 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
What's an MSP? Sb42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
How bizarre... Somebody suffering the exact same problem with their SB Radio as me and looking for an answer at the same time! My battery, I bought it a few years ago (couple?) Cameron Sino; Model CS-LSR533RC; Part No: HRMR15/51 I've pulled the cover off the battery to test the cell voltages, all the cells seemed to show what I understand to be good voltages (1.2 v?): 01- 1.276 02- 1.262 03- 1.293 04- 1.276 05- 1.298 06- 1.270 07- 1.291 08- 1.300 09- 1.292 10- 1.300 T 12.858 Measuring the voltages off the plug contacts I get: Bl-Gr: 3.82 V Bl-Br: 7.69 V Bl-Rd: 12.84 V The Diagonistics Power read out is: Battery temperature 17.2 C Battery voltage 13.1 V Battery vmon1 3.8 V Battery vmon2 7.5 V When I turned it on following the battery being out of a few days (while I probed it) it showed charged for a short period before it shows fully charged, and has since. (When I turned it back on after making the above checks, it went straight to fully charged.) Like Sb42, I really would like to know if it's the charging circuit or the battery - but, don't know how. I built my own battery before this back in 2011 which lasted for a good 5 years... Thanks for any pointers anyone has. (BTW, what's the MSP version? Version number 1598) pseud's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41902 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
slartibartfast wrote: > Hmm I have never heard of the charger circuit failing so it appears that > the charger thinks the battery is fully charged. If you pull the power > cord does the Radio shut down immediately? > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk The battery doesn't show as full charged.. Sb42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
Sb42 wrote: > No, the screen shows charging for a few seconds and then reverts to > showing wall power.Hmm I have never heard of the charger circuit failing so > it appears that the charger thinks the battery is fully charged. If you pull the power cord does the Radio shut down immediately? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
No, the screen shows charging for a few seconds and then reverts to showing wall power. Sb42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
Sb42 wrote: > My 2011 manufacturred Logitech battery no longer keeps a charge and has > these values > > Vmon1 3.9 > Vmon2 7.7 > Battery Temp: 20.6C > Battery Voltage: 13.5V > Wall Voltage: 18.1 > > Clearly I need a new battery, but can anyone tell me if this looks like > the charger could be the problem? Radio runs fine on wall power and > screen ocassionally shows Charging, but if I unplug the wall charger the > Radio goes blank and won't function until power is restored from wall. When the Radio is running on Wall Power and the display shows that the battery should be charging does the battery voltage show any signs of changing? Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
My 2011 manufacturred Logitech battery no longer keeps a charge and has these values Vmon1 3.9 Vmon2 7.7 Battery Temp: 20.6C Battery Voltage: 13.5V Wall Voltage: 18.1 Clearly I need a new battery, but can anyone tell me if this looks like the charger could be the problem? Radio runs fine on wall power and screen ocassionally shows Charging, but if I unplug the wall charger the Radio goes blank and won't function until power is restored from wall. slartibartfast wrote: > Having read good reports about these batteries I ordered one from Amazon > and it was delivered today. After installing it I checked > Settings/Advanced/Power and found the Battery Voltage Monitor values are > different to a genuine Logitech battery. > > Battery Vmon1 = 1.8V instead of 4.1V > Battery Vmon2 = 4.0V instead of 8.2V > All of these readings are at a battery voltage of 14.3V. If the cells > are balanced properly 1.8V should not even be possible. > > The taps are obviously in the wrong places. This raises a few > questions > > 1. Are they all like this? > 2. Does the Radio use these voltages for anything important? > 3. Do they test them? > > I think I know the answer to number 3. After waiting 10 days I would > rather not have to return it. > > > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Sb42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
slartibartfast wrote: > You would think they would take one apart to copy it. After all there is > also a thermistor in there which needs to be the correct one. They could > even have looked on the internet. I've contacted them via Amazon so we > will see what the response is. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using TapatalkWell I didn't receive any confirmation > that this was an isolated issue but to their credit after I sent a couple of photos of the battery diagnostics screen for both batteries they offered me a refund with no requirement to return the battery. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
drmatt wrote: > That is not something I'm sure of no, it just seems to be a slightly > unlikely manufacturing fault and seems more likely to be a design fault > to me. Something they are likely to overlook when copying the real > thing.. ( "what does this do? No idea, let's just connect it here...".) > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-You would think they would take one > apart to copy it. After all there is also a thermistor in there which needs to be the correct one. They could even have looked on the internet. I've contacted them via Amazon so we will see what the response is. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
slartibartfast wrote: > Are you saying you are sure all Radio batteries made by HQRP have > incorrect taps? That is not something I'm sure of no, it just seems to be a slightly unlikely manufacturing fault and seems more likely to be a design fault to me. Something they are likely to overlook when copying the real thing.. ( "what does this do? No idea, let's just connect it here...".) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
drmatt wrote: > I guess I would say it seems to happen once they reach about a year of > age or so, sporadically at first but increasing in frequency as they > age. It may even just be a problem with the physical socket detecting > the plug being inserted, but my feeling is that it's not since waggling > the plug doesn't help, whereas removing electrical power and reinstating > it does help, sometimes. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-I've seen this quite frequently > although more with one Radio than the other. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
drmatt wrote: > I am sure it is normal, and will work fine, despite readings being odd. > They are the best known 3rd party battery supplier and I can't see them > being fatally flawed. > > Interesting insights into the battery code though. Anyone got any clues > from that as to why Radios routinely fail to charge the batteries when > plugged in? > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-Are you saying you are sure all > Radio batteries made by HQRP have incorrect taps? The 1.8V reading is really odd as it is far too high for 1 cell and far too low for 2 cells. Does anyone else use one of these batteries? If so could they post their readings for Vmon1 and Vmon2. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
I guess I would say it seems to happen once they reach about a year of age or so, sporadically at first but increasing in frequency as they age. It may even just be a problem with the physical socket detecting the plug being inserted, but my feeling is that it's not since waggling the plug doesn't help, whereas removing electrical power and reinstating it does help, sometimes. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
drmatt wrote: > I am sure it is normal, and will work fine, despite readings being odd. > They are the best known 3rd party battery supplier and I can't see them > being fatally flawed. > > Interesting insights into the battery code though. Anyone got any clues > from that as to why Radios routinely fail to charge the batteries when > plugged in? > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- I don't use battery so I don't know normal operations but if it happens "routinely" you could have a look at the info provided by the MSP430 directory "/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0010" and perhaps you can identify the bad state. You might be lucky and find it is lua code but if problem is in MSP430 nothgin will happen. Code: # ls /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0010 adc_0 adc_2 alarm_time battery_vmon1_voltage fw power_mode time adc_1 adc_3 ambient battery_vmon2_voltage gp_register rtc:rtc0uevent adc_10 adc_4 battery_capacity battery_voltage input:input2subsystem wall_voltage adc_11 adc_5 battery_charge bus ir sys_voltage adc_12 adc_6 battery_charge_rate charger_event killtest_1 adc_13 adc_7 battery_disable charger_state modaliastest_2 adc_14 adc_8 battery_discharge_rate driver msp_buffer test_4 adc_15 adc_9 battery_temperature flash nametest_8 # cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0010/power_mode 3 # cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0010/battery_capacity 2000 # bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
I am sure it is normal, and will work fine, despite readings being odd. They are the best known 3rd party battery supplier and I can't see them being fatally flawed. Interesting insights into the battery code though. Anyone got any clues from that as to why Radios routinely fail to charge the batteries when plugged in? -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
I think all the info read by lua code is supplied via the MSP430 which controls the actual charging. The MSP430 can be used to charge a variety of battery types ( http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/sluu369/sluu369.pdf ) . If the MSP430 board & code is mostly standard reference code supplied by Ti, then the Vmon1 & VMon2 might be needed by the MSP430 to determine cell type, cell capacity, etc. and so adjust its charging algorithm, bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
bpa wrote: > IIRC Battery charging and conditioning are managed through battery > voltages & temp and Radio uses a microcontroller MSP340 to do battery > charging so not all the code is in the Radio source. > > To get a better answer I think you may need to look at code. > > Diagnostic will show where Vmon1 and Vmon2 are found (i.e. what device) > https://github.com/Logitech/squeezeplay/blob/public/7.8/src/squeezeplay_squeezeos/share/applets/Diagnostics/DiagnosticsApplet.lua > > The code which access battery when Radio running is here > https://github.com/Logitech/squeezeplay/blob/public/7.8/src/squeezeplay_baby/share/applets/SqueezeboxBaby/SqueezeboxBabyApplet.luaThanks, > I had a look at the code in the two links and it looks as though the Voltages are only read and displayed in the first one and there is no reference at all to the Vmon values in the second. So it might be safe but I am still tempted to return it. I still wonder if this is a one off or they are all like this. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
IIRC Battery charging and conditioning are managed through battery voltages & temp and Radio uses a microcontroller MSP340 to do battery charging so not all the code is in the Radio source. To get a better answer I think you may need to look at code. Diagnostic will show where Vmon1 and Vmon2 are found (i.e. what device) https://github.com/Logitech/squeezeplay/blob/public/7.8/src/squeezeplay_squeezeos/share/applets/Diagnostics/DiagnosticsApplet.lua The code which access battery when Radio running is here https://github.com/Logitech/squeezeplay/blob/public/7.8/src/squeezeplay_baby/share/applets/SqueezeboxBaby/SqueezeboxBabyApplet.lua bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] HQRP battery
Having read good reports about these batteries I ordered one from Amazon and it was delivered today. After installing it I checked Settings/Advanced/Power and found the Battery Voltage Monitor values are different to a genuine Logitech battery. Battery Vmon1 = 1.8V instead of 4.1V Battery Vmon2 = 4.0V instead of 8.2V All of these readings are at a battery voltage of 14.3V. If the cells are balanced properly 1.8V should not even be possible. The taps are obviously in the wrong places. This raises a few questions 1. Are they all like this? 2. Does the Radio use these voltages for anything important? 3. Do they test them? I think I know the answer to number 3. After waiting 10 days I would rather not have to return it. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108731 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
