Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
toby10;497018 Wrote: > Logitech could simply decide that the costs to support MySB servers > throughout the world and server software development expenses are not > justified by hardware sales revenue. Spotlife, for example? Years after Logitech shut it down, people were still apparently wondering why their QuickCam software wasn't working when they install. At least with the SqueezeBox devices, there will be the option to self-host when the legacy support no longer sells new hardware. Logitech is -still -a hardware company, not a services company. -- jef jef's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30360 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
Buy the radio! Even if Logitech throws in the towel next year, you'll have gotten $150 worth of enjoyment out of the thing by then (and it will likely still work). You'll experience the beginning of the model that will someday end over-the-air broadcast radio. Ignore the fact that people post code on the user forum. Someday, this will be a product ready for the wider consumer audience. (Don't throw away your old alarm clock...) -- davenva davenva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34191 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496945 Wrote: > I genuinely think it's more significant than that. Companies routinely > go out of business. Studies have shown that company size is very weakly > correlated with likelihood of going out of business (de Guilmi, C; > Gallegati, M.; 2004, Physica A, Vol 334, pp.267-273). Companies > routinely exploit lock-in in various ways not to the advantage of > customers. The costs to customers may be non-obvious opportunity > costs It doesn't even need to be that catastrophic of an event (entire company goes out of business). Logitech could simply decide that the costs to support MySB servers throughout the world and server software development expenses are not justified by hardware sales revenue. They could just shut down the SB product portion and move on. Ask anyone who purchased music from Yahoo. Yahoo is huge and still around, but decided that the music download business was just not worth it. Millions of Yahoo music customers were left with unusable music (legally). But again, this is highly unlikely for the SB products in the foreseeable future. Logitech bought them because they saw value in the SB line. Their players are selling wildly and they just keep adding new services. So popular these players are that used SB players hold their value, almost unheard of in the CE industry! :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
snarlydwarf;496941 Wrote: > Wow that was neato. I've never seen output from apt-get before. > > I found all that to be very enlightening and not at all a waste of a > paste. > > I hear there is 'dpkg -l' or something that would be much less spammy, > yet include the relevant version number. But that's certainly not as > much fun as pasting all that. I'll take that as if it were a honest question: * It's there so that googling will find it later. * dpkg -l -- yes, that's slightly nicer than dpkg -s, thankyou. -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
toby10;496930 Wrote: > No, its just a basic design decision, and a consumers choice based on > what features are available. > I genuinely think it's more significant than that. Companies routinely go out of business. Studies have shown that company size is very weakly correlated with likelihood of going out of business (de Guilmi, C; Gallegati, M.; 2004, Physica A, Vol 334, pp.267-273). Companies routinely exploit lock-in in various ways not to the advantage of customers. The costs to customers may be non-obvious opportunity costs. > > I have no experience with Reciva, perhaps you can enlighten us with a > side by side comparison of Reciva vs SB players? > Maybe I'll jump ship based on your keen salesmanship abilities? :) Sorry, buying, not selling. -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496938 Wrote: > My JRE was indeed old / broken. The automated upgrade from Ubuntu > jaunty to Ubuntu karmic apparently didn't upgrade sun-java6-bin, and > apt-get install --reinstall didn't do the trick, had to apt-get remove: > Wow that was neato. I've never seen output from apt-get before. I found all that to be very enlightening and not at all a waste of a paste. I hear there is 'dpkg -l' or something that would be much less spammy, yet include the relevant version number. But that's certainly not as much fun as pasting all that. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
snarlydwarf;496922 Wrote: > Then you really should fix your JRE. My JRE was indeed old / broken. The automated upgrade from Ubuntu jaunty to Ubuntu karmic apparently didn't upgrade sun-java6-bin, and apt-get install --reinstall didn't do the trick, had to apt-get remove: $ aptitude show $(dpkg -S $(readlink -e $(which java)) | cut -d: -f1) Package: sun-java6-bin State: installed Automatically installed: yes Version: 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04 Priority: optional Section: non-free/libs Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers Uncompressed Size: 82.2M Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04), unixodbc, libc6 PreDepends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 Recommends: libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxt6, libxtst6, libnss-mdns Suggests: binfmt-support Conflicts: binfmt-support (< 1.1.2) Description: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files) The Sun Java Platform Standard Edition Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 contains the Java virtual machine, runtime class libraries, and Java application launcher that are necessary to run programs written in the Java progamming language. It is not a development environment and doesn't contain development tools such as compilers or debuggers. For development tools, see the Java Development Kit JDK(TM) 6 (package sun-java6-jdk). This package contains architecture dependent files. Homepage: http://java.sun.com/javase/ $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall sun-java6-plugin Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Reinstallation of sun-java6-plugin is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. ... 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. $ sudo apt-get remove sun-java6-bin ... $ sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin ... $ dpkg -s $(dpkg -S $(readlink -e $(which java)) | cut -d: -f1) Package: sun-java6-bin Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: non-free/java Installed-Size: 80320 Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers Architecture: amd64 Source: sun-java6 Version: 6-15-1 Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-15-1), unixodbc, libc6 Pre-Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 Recommends: libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxt6, libxtst6, libnss-mdns Suggests: binfmt-support Conflicts: binfmt-support (<< 1.1.2) Conffiles: /etc/java-6-sun/security/java.policy 0e6dc263b1cf008a123c5c4f4532bdaf /etc/java-6-sun/security/java.security 5ea81df9cf4378e9020371208af0b9c7 /etc/java-6-sun/security/cacerts d8fd1ca23ed095ccad47c53197cd77c4 /etc/java-6-sun/management/jmxremote.access f63bea1f4a31317f6f061d83215594df /etc/java-6-sun/management/jmxremote.password 7b46c291e7073c31d3ce0adae2f7554f /etc/java-6-sun/management/management.properties 81a43119ab15099c1d70e2d683fc8c0a /etc/java-6-sun/management/snmp.acl 71a7de7dbe2977f6ece75c904d430b62 /etc/java-6-sun/calendars.properties 875a71d5d7552b5469d5ec4a41d397d2 /etc/java-6-sun/content-types.properties 4128f2c8908bedc62bc49190344fecf8 /etc/java-6-sun/logging.properties 2ebf6417293beb2566a950abc02b07e8 /etc/java-6-sun/sound.properties 4f95242740bfb7b133b879597947a41e /etc/java-6-sun/flavormap.properties d85491fb6911ea9f927055403fa8afbe /etc/java-6-sun/net.properties 19854300cbe8fc2d955111b0b31d0652 /etc/java-6-sun/fontconfig.properties b500852b0ca9e0d5d95696ff26488b60 /etc/java-6-sun/jvm.cfg a3daca3a66b3cfe7ca1d075a593d6dea Description: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files) The Sun Java Platform Standard Edition Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 contains the Java virtual machine, runtime class libraries, and Java application launcher that are necessary to run programs written in the Java progamming language. It is not a development environment and doesn't contain development tools such as compilers or debuggers. For development tools, see the Java Development Kit JDK(TM) 6 (package sun-java6-jdk). . This package contains architecture dependent files. Original-Maintainer: Debian QA Group Homepage: http://java.sun.com/javase/ $ java -jar SoftSqueeze.jar [no hang this time] (I ran aptitude show rather than dpkg -s the first time, but I believe 6-16-0ubuntu1.9.04 was in fact the version installed) -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
toby10;496933 Wrote: > Radio Shack meets Roku. :) Not really. More like Radio Shack meets HTC or ASUS or Intel. Receiva makes all the technology as a white label product and OEMs package it up to nice products. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
pippin;496931 Wrote: > Pretty much all cheapo Internet Radios you'll find in your local CE > store will be based on Receiva. Radio Shack meets Roku. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Pretty much all cheapo Internet Radios you'll find in your local CE store will be based on Receiva. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496918 Wrote: > .. > That's a response to an objection you made up yourself. > > I object to the fact that it's made artificially difficult to change > the server, not to the fact that a server is used. No, its just a basic design decision, and a consumers choice based on what features are available. Could Logitech turn off all MySB servers worldwide and end all future SBS development tomorrow? Sure, not likely, but possible. I have no experience with Reciva, perhaps you can enlighten us with a side by side comparison of Reciva vs SB players? Maybe I'll jump ship based on your keen salesmanship abilities? :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496924 Wrote: > > That's good. It's just a shame it's not clearer from the website, etc. It is clear is you read SBSs license agreement, the stuff that comes with it or the beginners' guide in the Wiki: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/BeginnersGuide What do you expect? Lots of documentation will never be all in one place. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
pippin;496921 Wrote: > Less time than it takes us to only read all your questions. If you look at it from my point of view, that depends on the answer to the question I was asking. In addition: forums are useful to record answers to these questions, so that they don't need to be answered many times (through experimentation or forum replies). > Nothing is being made artificially difficult. > SBS is open source, it has all the communication protocols in it and > can play a URL without any support from MySB. If you want an > alternative, take it and build your own MySB replacement. > That's good. It's just a shame it's not clearer from the website, etc. -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496920 Wrote: > > > I tried SoftSqueeze. As you say, it should work, but that did not > prevent it from not working :-) Then you really should fix your JRE. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496918 Wrote: > That involves answering the question "how much time will task X take, so > that I may decide whether to do X" by doing X, which might not turn out > well. > Less time than it takes us to only read all your questions. > > I object to the fact that it's made artificially difficult to change > the server, not to the fact that a server is used. Nothing is being made artificially difficult. SBS is open source, it has all the communication protocols in it and can play a URL without any support from MySB. If you want an alternative, take it and build your own MySB replacement. AFAIK, AAC works natively on Radio (not on the older SBs). -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
snarlydwarf;496917 Wrote: > Oh, well, so the point of your post was not at all to get pre-purchase > comments from other users, but rather to waste my time responding to > your questions? > It was to provide answers for other people in the same boat, and to quell my curiosity. I've already thanked you for your helpful responses. > Next time, it would be nice if you posted "please don't use ten minutes > of your life responding to me, because I'm not interested and have > already made my decision." It's sort of rude to ask questions of > fellow humans and then blow them off after wasting their time. > Please read my post again: I explicitly stated that I thought I'd already made my mind up. > You have to build SqueezePlay yourself for Linux. Softsqueeze is java > so should work fine on any compliant jre. > > But a geek would know that. I tried SoftSqueeze. As you say, it should work, but that did not prevent it from not working :-) -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
toby10;496914 Wrote: > Create a free www.MySqueezeBox.com account and see for yourself.:) > That involves answering the question "how much time will task X take, so that I may decide whether to do X" by doing X, which might not turn out well. > The problem is how do you cram in 20 different Music Services, Apps, > Podcast Services, RSS feeds, etc... into JUST the hardware player? Then > make all of these customizable/configurable and provide full management > of such services all solely on the hardware player? That's where a > connection to a server comes in, in this case SBS and/or MySB. That's a response to an objection you made up yourself. I object to the fact that it's made artificially difficult to change the server, not to the fact that a server is used. -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496916 Wrote: > > I just did. But it was a Reciva radio. > Oh, well, so the point of your post was not at all to get pre-purchase comments from other users, but rather to waste my time responding to your questions? Next time, it would be nice if you posted "please don't use ten minutes of your life responding to me, because I'm not interested and have already made my decision." It's sort of rude to ask questions of fellow humans and then blow them off after wasting their time. > > Tried that. It hung immediately on startup on my plain old Ubuntu > karmic machine. You have to build SqueezePlay yourself for Linux. Softsqueeze is java so should work fine on any compliant jre. But a geek would know that. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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Thanks for your helpful answers. > I don't know why you believe that. Perhaps the lack of clear documentation had something to do with it? > > The odds of a multihundredbillion dollar company vanishing overnight is > pretty slim, though. > Is that so. > > I'd suggest you buy a Radio and try it. > I just did. But it was a Reciva radio. > If you want to be cheap, use an SB emulator like SoftSqueeze or > SqueezePlay (though they are both -emulators- and not -exactly- the same > as a hardware player, they are good enough to get the gist of things) > and even try SBS on a machine. Tried that. It hung immediately on startup on my plain old Ubuntu karmic machine. -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496876 Wrote: > .. * If I want access to a "fairly comprehensive" set of radio > stations (say, similar to the list that Reciva offers), do I have to > install a whole bunch of "apps"? Do I have to jump through lots of web > registration hoops to do that? How does this compare to the situation > with Reciva-based radio appliances? How much of a pain have you found > this to be? Create a free www.MySqueezeBox.com account and see for yourself.:) The problem is how do you cram in 20 different Music Services, Apps, Podcast Services, RSS feeds, etc... into JUST the hardware player? Then make all of these customizable/configurable and provide full management of such services all solely on the hardware player? That's where a connection to a server comes in, in this case SBS and/or MySB. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496884 Wrote: > > * Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another company > or other organisation to set up in competition with mysqueezebox.com? Do > Logitech make this easy or difficult? SBS and mysqueezebox.com provide > non-identical functionality -- right? > > What I'm driving at here is that one couldn't use SBS to replace > mysqueezebox.com -- correct? > > Does SBS connect to mysqueezebox.com? SBS connects to MySB for 'some things' like Pandora and Rhapsody and such. It connects there at the moment for RadioTime, too, I think, but it hasn't always been that way, and it certainly doesn't -need- to be that way. It's just a bit easier to centralize things I think. SBS is "mostly" about serving local music. MySB is mostly about serving non-local music. There is a ton of crossover, though, where some things can be served from SBS -and- MySB. For some of them, it's only to make things consistent in the "local music is SBS, non-local is MySB" scheme of things (ie, if it's non-local, maybe you turned off your server and still want to access your radiotime/live365/LiveMusicArchive/Lastfm/etc stations, so they're centralized on MySB). -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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dial;496876 Wrote: > * Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another > company or other organisation to set up in competition with > mysqueezebox.com? Do Logitech make this easy or difficult? . Not likely, certainly not officially. But I'm sure they would be willing to hear ideas on your service to be included as an App (accessed through MySB of course). :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
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dial;496876 Wrote: > > * ISTR from the one time I've seen an internet radio appliance used (a > Revo Pico, I think -- Reciva-based), the UI for browsing stations > involved navigating a shallow hierarchy of categories using a combined > knob + button. Is the SB UI for selecting stations the same? Is it > easy to search for stations by entering a text search term? Does the > text search feature actually work well? > For 'radio station' stuff, MySB uses RadioTime. Check them out at RadioTime.Com ... basically it's a "directory" (like Yahoo was back in the olden days) of radio stations, browsable different ways (by city, by format, by show). Search works reasonably well: not like you can search for an artist, but you can search for a show name or call letters. Although I usually browse to get things. > > * "Plugins" run on the SBS host -- right? > * "Apps" run on the appliance, and don't depend on SBS -- right? > Yes and No. Apps run on MySB.com and may also be on SBS. > > * Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another company > or other organisation to set up in competition with mysqueezebox.com? > Do Logitech make this easy or difficult? SBS and mysqueezebox.com > provide non-identical functionality -- right? > MySB.com is pretty much "a multiuser version of SBS with some proprietary extensions" (usually because of licensing reasons... Some vendors may not want to give out their API without a non-disclosure, so hosting it at MySB gets around that... you can't get the source to MySB so you can't see their API...). You can certainly tell a SB of any variety "please connect to this other server" and have your own access controls if you want... I believe a couple people have done just that, running a private music server for muzak-like background sounds in businesses. > > * If I want access to a "fairly comprehensive" set of radio stations > (say, similar to the list that Reciva offers), do I have to install a > whole bunch of "apps"? Do I have to jump through lots of web > registration hoops to do that? How does this compare to the situation > with Reciva-based radio appliances? How much of a pain have you found > this to be? Check out RadioTime.com ... they do a very nice job of keeping up to date: if you have stations they don't know about, they do take submissions. > > * Ogg Vorbis and WMA support does not require SBS -- right? > * AAC support requires SBS -- right? > * Is flash supported? Is SBS required for this? > * Is RealAudio supported? Is SBS required for this? > Yes. Yes. No. No. yes. Yes (with the right plugins, I believe) > > * Roughly what proportion of internet radio stations require AAC, > RealAudio or flash? > The vast majority are mp3 or wma. > > To be honest, this is mostly out of curiosity by now: I suspect that > the fact that the "Sales FAQ" link I found was broken was the last straw > for me. Well, that and the fact that the main thing I was looking for > to distinguish this from Reciva-based radios was hardware that won't > turn into a brick if the company goes out of business or behaves badly / > incompetently -- but it seems it doesn't do much better on that score > than the Reciva-based radios. > I don't know why you believe that. If Logitech got swalled by a black hole tomorrow, the only thing I would notice missing would be last.fm, and there's an SBS plugin for that. The wife would notice Pandora missing, but that's one of those "must sign an NDA to see our API" things so it requires MySB. Ie, if you run your own server, which isn't all that difficult, most of it would work exactly the same. The odds of a multihundredbillion dollar company vanishing overnight is pretty slim, though. > > ISTM that companies that sell appliances -- especially those based on > open-source -- have missed out on a trick by not publishing a short > primer for geeks. Geeks do some of your word-of-mouth marketing for > you, people, and we really, honestly, don't want to read reams of > confused mass-market marketing spam in order to find out pretty much > all. Write the answers to the questions above in a text file > (it'll occupy oh, maybe a whole side of A4 paper when printed out), > title it something suitably scary, and put it on your website. Even > just commit at top level of SBS SVN if you can't bear to put it anywhere > else. I'd suggest you buy a Radio and try it. If you want to be cheap, use an SB emulator like SoftSqueeze or SqueezePlay (though they are both -emulators- and not -exactly- the same as a hardware player, they are good enough to get the gist of things) and even try SBS on a machine. I spent months hovering over the 'buy this' button before I broke down and clicked it and have never regretted it, despite suddenly needing to spend a fortune on CD's to satisfy my addictions... (When Visa calls you because a new card has 'a lot' of purchases on it... all for CD's... and wants to know if they are authorized,
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
dial;496884 Wrote: > > > Does SBS connect to mysqueezebox.com? Yes, SBS uses MySB in the background. That's why you must setup all Apps and Music Service logins on MySB, to be used by either SBS or connecting your player directly to MySB. SBS does everything MySB will do, and more, and with greater flexibility and customizations. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
> * Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another company or other organisation to set up in competition with mysqueezebox.com? Do Logitech make this easy or difficult? SBS and mysqueezebox.com provide non-identical functionality -- right? What I'm driving at here is that one couldn't use SBS to replace mysqueezebox.com -- correct? Does SBS connect to mysqueezebox.com? -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Simple questions not answered in docs / websites
After reading some forum posts, scouring a pile of websites, hunting for SVN servers with client (appliance) code, and even looking at the docs, I still don't know the answers to some very basic questions: * ISTR from the one time I've seen an internet radio appliance used (a Revo Pico, I think -- Reciva-based), the UI for browsing stations involved navigating a shallow hierarchy of categories using a combined knob + button. Is the SB UI for selecting stations the same? Is it easy to search for stations by entering a text search term? Does the text search feature actually work well? * "Plugins" run on the SBS host -- right? * "Apps" run on the appliance, and don't depend on SBS -- right? * Is there any common UI provided by all apps? May an app (also) provide a custom UI? Is there a mix of web and appliance UI involved here? Specifically, if I install, for example, the "AccuRadio" app, do a bunch of new stations show up in the Big Tree of Radio Stations that the appliance lets me choose from? Or do I have to learn a different user interface for each app? * Would it be feasible, technically and legally, for another company or other organisation to set up in competition with mysqueezebox.com? Do Logitech make this easy or difficult? SBS and mysqueezebox.com provide non-identical functionality -- right? * If I want access to a "fairly comprehensive" set of radio stations (say, similar to the list that Reciva offers), do I have to install a whole bunch of "apps"? Do I have to jump through lots of web registration hoops to do that? How does this compare to the situation with Reciva-based radio appliances? How much of a pain have you found this to be? * Ogg Vorbis and WMA support does not require SBS -- right? * AAC support requires SBS -- right? * Is flash supported? Is SBS required for this? * Is RealAudio supported? Is SBS required for this? * Roughly what proportion of internet radio stations require AAC, RealAudio or flash? To be honest, this is mostly out of curiosity by now: I suspect that the fact that the "Sales FAQ" link I found was broken was the last straw for me. Well, that and the fact that the main thing I was looking for to distinguish this from Reciva-based radios was hardware that won't turn into a brick if the company goes out of business or behaves badly / incompetently -- but it seems it doesn't do much better on that score than the Reciva-based radios. ISTM that companies that sell appliances -- especially those based on open-source -- have missed out on a trick by not publishing a short primer for geeks. Geeks do some of your word-of-mouth marketing for you, people, and we really, honestly, don't want to read reams of confused mass-market marketing spam in order to find out pretty much all. Write the answers to the questions above in a text file (it'll occupy oh, maybe a whole side of A4 paper when printed out), title it something suitably scary, and put it on your website. Even just commit at top level of SBS SVN if you can't bear to put it anywhere else. Thanks -- dial dial's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35062 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72771 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
