[rails-oceania] Re: was: soliciting names
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Dave Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like screw-unit, but it doesn't run in ie, which is an unfortunate > requirement for me. Have you tried any of the forks on github? [1], for instance, passed a simple test for me in IE 6, 7. [1] http://github.com/josephwilk/screw-unit/tree/master Thanks for the lead, guys. George. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
Hi, i'm the culprit behind that Comet demo. Any questions you can email me direct or just ask here if you want. Sorry about the lack of question time. That 5 mins sure goes fast! On Nov 20, 3:08 pm, Adam Salter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, > I definitely got the most out of the short talks this time around. But > I agree that dedicated question time is good. I can't think of one > talk last night where questions wouldn't have been necessary. (in fact > for the comet demo in particular I was a bit miffed that there wasn't > time for questions). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
> Ps. Why is the only thing I was remembered for was washing up! > Don't worry, it's not. I just wanted to make sure you knew we appreciated it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Big thanks from the Brisbane crew to Ryan and crew for organising this great event... As one of the people taking the proverbial reigns from Ryan and beginning the planning on Railscamp #5, please keep the great ideas/ suggestions coming We are listening! We look forward to welcoming all you southerners to the sunshine/flood state in April'ish 09. Ps. Why is the only thing I was remembered for was washing up! Cheers, Nigel Rausch Logical Plus Mob: 0418 72-8880 Skype: nigel.rausch Twitter: nigel_rausch On 20/11/2008, at 12:00 PM, Ryan Bigg wrote: > > For the twitter (or twetter) there wasn't an easy way for Linux'ers to > jump on and post their messages, or was there? I couldn't see one on > the site and the only way that seemed to be possible was to download > the twitteriffic client for Mac. > > Lightning talks sound like a superb idea. Get to know what other > people are working on and then work on it with them and improve it > over the weekend (and pick on their Nuby Ruby) > > There was butchers paper, it was right below the whiteboard. There > were permanent markers floating around (2) and whiteboard markers > (also 2), and it seemed only the dish fairies used the whiteboard > markers. > > As for dinner, Saturday + Sunday it seemed to be around the same time. > Friday was a bit late due to me rolling a 1 when it came to > Delegation, sorry about that. > > Perhaps next Railscamp we could re-do Gitorious "right"? Dunno, just > throwing it out there. It just doesn't *feel* like Github which I > think I have a crush on. > > For the food: if you're not liking what's being served there was a > supermarket down the road (and a butcher + other things) where you can > go out and buy your own food. There was a stove, pans, and anything > you could use to cook it yourself. I know the whole point of you > paying for catering is to get food that you may possibly eat, but we > cannot accommodate for 70 different tastes in such a small budget. > > Thanks to Nigel for doing the washing up. This usually comes up as a > topic for the camps and it's pretty simple: If you made it dirty, you > wash it, dry it and put it away. Dish washing is something that > shouldn't be "oh it's someone else's job". It's your responsibility. > > Pledgie is going up now: http://pledgie.com/campaigns/2096. It makes > me feel horrible asking for money. > > Fantastic times were had guys, thank you very much for making it > another great camp! > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
On 20/11/2008, at 3:58 PM, Adam Salter wrote: > ... and I would love to hear more about Flex/actionscript on the > frontend. I've had some joy with Haxe as a way to write Flash to embed in a Rails frontend. The app hasn't gone public yet, but I'll let you know when it does. Haxe is a pretty sweet language, and AS3 isn't that hard to learn. You can use Flex with it, but I haven't. See haxe.org anyhow; it's open source. I've also managed to integrate drag&drop using Prototype, dragging over and dropping on the Flash stage, but it causes redraw funnies in some browsers, incl FF2 on OS/X :-(. I have patches for Prototype to allow that. You can also drag from Flash out to HTML land too, and call functions in both directions, which allows pretty tight integration. I plan to use Haxe a fair bit more in the new year. Clifford Heath. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Yes, let's blame everything else for our own inadequacies in development =P Let's also blame the government for letting us getting too drunked and place higher taxes on our alcohol, 'cos we all know that will work! =D On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Alan Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Myself included. We should be harsh on PHP letting me easily write > spaghetti code > > On 20/11/2008, at 3:14 PM, Torm3nt wrote: > > We shouldn't be too harsh on PHP guys, quite a few of us had PHP as a > stepping stone ;) > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ryan Bigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> >> Oh I know! CakePHP! Impostors are so much better than the Real Thing. >> - >> Ryan Bigg >> Freelancer >> http://frozenplague.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 20/11/2008, at 3:28 PM, Adam Salter wrote: >> >> > >> > Ummm. >> > Can we leave the PHP out? >> > >> > ... and I would love to hear more about Flex/actionscript on the >> > frontend. >> > >> > On 20/11/2008, at 3:56 PM, Ryan Bigg wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Let's throw in some .NET and PHP too. >> >> >> >>> >> > >> > >> > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Myself included. We should be harsh on PHP letting me easily write spaghetti code On 20/11/2008, at 3:14 PM, Torm3nt wrote: > We shouldn't be too harsh on PHP guys, quite a few of us had PHP as > a stepping stone ;) > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ryan Bigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Oh I know! CakePHP! Impostors are so much better than the Real Thing. > - > Ryan Bigg > Freelancer > http://frozenplague.net > > > > > > > > On 20/11/2008, at 3:28 PM, Adam Salter wrote: > > > > > Ummm. > > Can we leave the PHP out? > > > > ... and I would love to hear more about Flex/actionscript on the > > frontend. > > > > On 20/11/2008, at 3:56 PM, Ryan Bigg wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Let's throw in some .NET and PHP too. > >> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
We shouldn't be too harsh on PHP guys, quite a few of us had PHP as a stepping stone ;) On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ryan Bigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh I know! CakePHP! Impostors are so much better than the Real Thing. > - > Ryan Bigg > Freelancer > http://frozenplague.net > > > > > > > > On 20/11/2008, at 3:28 PM, Adam Salter wrote: > > > > > Ummm. > > Can we leave the PHP out? > > > > ... and I would love to hear more about Flex/actionscript on the > > frontend. > > > > On 20/11/2008, at 3:56 PM, Ryan Bigg wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Let's throw in some .NET and PHP too. > >> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Oh I know! CakePHP! Impostors are so much better than the Real Thing. - Ryan Bigg Freelancer http://frozenplague.net On 20/11/2008, at 3:28 PM, Adam Salter wrote: > > Ummm. > Can we leave the PHP out? > > ... and I would love to hear more about Flex/actionscript on the > frontend. > > On 20/11/2008, at 3:56 PM, Ryan Bigg wrote: > >> >> >> Let's throw in some .NET and PHP too. >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Ummm. Can we leave the PHP out? ... and I would love to hear more about Flex/actionscript on the frontend. On 20/11/2008, at 3:56 PM, Ryan Bigg wrote: > > > Let's throw in some .NET and PHP too. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Aww now cmon guys, let's not be selective. Let's throw in some COBOL!! On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ryan Bigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Let's throw in some .NET and PHP too. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
Works for me. Maybe less talks (5-8) and 20 mins for questions... On 20/11/2008, at 3:40 PM, Tim Lucas wrote: > > On 20/11/2008, at 3:08 PM, Adam Salter wrote: > >> Yeah, >> I definitely got the most out of the short talks this time around. >> But >> I agree that dedicated question time is good. I can't think of one >> talk last night where questions wouldn't have been necessary. (in >> fact >> for the comet demo in particular I was a bit miffed that there wasn't >> time for questions). > > Maybe at the end you could get everyone up the front and have an open- > ended 30 minutes for questions... that way you keep the momentum up > with the presos. > > -- timbo > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Let's throw in some .NET and PHP too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
On 20/11/2008, at 3:08 PM, Adam Salter wrote: > Yeah, > I definitely got the most out of the short talks this time around. But > I agree that dedicated question time is good. I can't think of one > talk last night where questions wouldn't have been necessary. (in fact > for the comet demo in particular I was a bit miffed that there wasn't > time for questions). Maybe at the end you could get everyone up the front and have an open- ended 30 minutes for questions... that way you keep the momentum up with the presos. -- timbo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
> I think there should be more c# programming I don't know whether to cry or laugh at that... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Soliciting names
I like kitty litter lol. jDoona/joona doesn't translate outside of australia as the rest of the world calls them "comforters" Kitty Litter rocks, has LOL potential and comes with an awesome tag line. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Dave Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm thinking about jLove : ) > > ~Dave > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Josh Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Dave, >> >> Good chatting with you last night. >> >> Blanket is best name I can think of by far. Better than jcov/jscov which >> came to mind. >> >> Cheers, >> Josh >> >> >> On 20/11/2008, at 9:22 AM, Dave Newman wrote: >> >>> Hey Guys, >>> >>> great meetup last night. There were some awesome presentations including >>> commodore 64 background slides and pamela anderson ascii art! >>> >>> Anyhoo, im gonna push my javascript test coverage tool up to github but >>> haven't picked a name yet. It's currently called blanket, there have been >>> sugestions of jdoona or joona, jetspread and kitty litter cos it covers your >>> shit. But! I think the emphasis is on Uncovering it right? Showing you >>> your dirty untested code. Its time to treat javascript as a first class >>> citizen! >>> >>> So, hit me with some names! >>> >>> ~Dave >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > > David Newman | sentia > > p: +61 02 8003 5216 > m: 0415 473 249 > w: sentia.com.au > > NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information > intended only for the use of the recipient. If you are not the intended > recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not > disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received > this message in error please notify sentia immediately. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
I think there should be more c# programming ~Dave On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Lachlan Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > A bunch of Linux guys had it working. And a bunch didn't. Difficult to say > why. It only took Linc and I 10 minutes to get gitjour running on the server > (for DylanFM's awesome supgitjour) but Andrew and Mick spent days on theirs > and never got it going :( > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Soliciting names
I'm thinking about jLove : ) ~Dave On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Josh Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave, > > Good chatting with you last night. > > Blanket is best name I can think of by far. Better than jcov/jscov which > came to mind. > > Cheers, > Josh > > > > On 20/11/2008, at 9:22 AM, Dave Newman wrote: > > Hey Guys, >> >> great meetup last night. There were some awesome presentations including >> commodore 64 background slides and pamela anderson ascii art! >> >> Anyhoo, im gonna push my javascript test coverage tool up to github but >> haven't picked a name yet. It's currently called blanket, there have been >> sugestions of jdoona or joona, jetspread and kitty litter cos it covers your >> shit. But! I think the emphasis is on Uncovering it right? Showing you >> your dirty untested code. Its time to treat javascript as a first class >> citizen! >> >> So, hit me with some names! >> >> ~Dave >> >> >> >> > -- David Newman | sentia p: +61 02 8003 5216 m: 0415 473 249 w: sentia.com.au NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify sentia immediately. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: was: soliciting names
I like screw-unit, but it doesn't run in ie, which is an unfortunate requirement for me. We're using qunit which works pretty well. ~Dave On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Nov 20, 1:51 pm, "Julio Cesar Ody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://github.com/nathansobo/screw-unit/tree/master > > > > Looks interesting. Thanks. > > Dave, sorry - Should have changed the subject line. > > -- > Daniel Bush > > > -- David Newman | sentia p: +61 02 8003 5216 m: 0415 473 249 w: sentia.com.au NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify sentia immediately. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
Yeah, I definitely got the most out of the short talks this time around. But I agree that dedicated question time is good. I can't think of one talk last night where questions wouldn't have been necessary. (in fact for the comet demo in particular I was a bit miffed that there wasn't time for questions). On 20/11/2008, at 9:44 AM, Matt Allen wrote: > I'd like to echo that. Last night's meetup was the best yet. > > It was definitely up there, that's for sure. > > So, I reckon there is a happy median for these talks, ones that drag > on for ever tend to put the room to sleep and these short sharp ones > were tops but I felt on a few there was a couple of good questions > that could have been tabled and everyone would have benefitted. So, > that said, maybe we could do a 5 min talk and an N min Q&A session > in the future? if N was 2.5 mins then that'd make it 2 talks with > questions every 15 mins. > > Anyone have any thoughts? > > Matta > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
A bunch of Linux guys had it working. And a bunch didn't. Difficult to say why. It only took Linc and I 10 minutes to get gitjour running on the server (for DylanFM's awesome supgitjour) but Andrew and Mick spent days on theirs and never got it going :( --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
I noticed that this RailsCamp had a lot more Linux users than the last one so getting these things working well across Mac and Linux would be awesome! Cheers, Anthony Richardson On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Nathan de Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, someone mentioned that using Gitjour on Linux was impossible, > but someone actually did create a fork of Gitjour using Net::DNS::MDNS > at the camp. Probably wasn't advertised well enough (probably as a > side-effect of the lack of project visibility that everyone's talking > about), but this should make it easier for everyone to participate in > the *jour action next time around. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: was: soliciting names
On Nov 20, 1:51 pm, "Julio Cesar Ody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://github.com/nathansobo/screw-unit/tree/master > Looks interesting. Thanks. Dave, sorry - Should have changed the subject line. -- Daniel Bush --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
:lachie http://smartbomb.com.au http://www.flickr.com/photos/lachie/ On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Nathan de Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20/11/2008, at 12:04 PM, Tim Lucas wrote: >> Some more tools to help a room full of hackage would always be useful— >> gitorious works but is a bit clunky, the web-based gitjour will be >> great for discovery of projects etc and I'm sure there's a bunch of >> other stuff we could all pitch in and build before or at the camp. > > The web stuff that was added to Gitjour was pretty good...with a > little bit more love (perhaps Grit integration to generate sparklines > of activity / forking action), leaving that up on the projector would > work really well. As people gitjour serve'd their stuff, everyone > would see it. > > Also, someone mentioned that using Gitjour on Linux was impossible, > but someone actually did create a fork of Gitjour using Net::DNS::MDNS > at the camp. Probably wasn't advertised well enough (probably as a > side-effect of the lack of project visibility that everyone's talking > about), but this should make it easier for everyone to participate in > the *jour action next time around. I didn't actually realise that this was the issue... or I might have suggested http://github.com/lachie/zeroconf/tree/master A "Frankenstein marriage of net-mdns and dnssd." > > > Cheers, > > -- > Nathan de Vries > > PS: Radar, remember that I still owe you money (+20% interest for > being slack), so that cuts off $100. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Hey, the web gitjour stuff is up on github: http://github.com/DylanFM/sup-gitjour/tree/master 2008/11/20 Nathan de Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 20/11/2008, at 12:04 PM, Tim Lucas wrote: > > Some more tools to help a room full of hackage would always be useful— > > gitorious works but is a bit clunky, the web-based gitjour will be > > great for discovery of projects etc and I'm sure there's a bunch of > > other stuff we could all pitch in and build before or at the camp. > > The web stuff that was added to Gitjour was pretty good...with a > little bit more love (perhaps Grit integration to generate sparklines > of activity / forking action), leaving that up on the projector would > work really well. As people gitjour serve'd their stuff, everyone > would see it. > > Also, someone mentioned that using Gitjour on Linux was impossible, > but someone actually did create a fork of Gitjour using Net::DNS::MDNS > at the camp. Probably wasn't advertised well enough (probably as a > side-effect of the lack of project visibility that everyone's talking > about), but this should make it easier for everyone to participate in > the *jour action next time around. > > > Cheers, > > -- > Nathan de Vries > > PS: Radar, remember that I still owe you money (+20% interest for > being slack), so that cuts off $100. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
On 20/11/2008, at 12:04 PM, Tim Lucas wrote: > Some more tools to help a room full of hackage would always be useful— > gitorious works but is a bit clunky, the web-based gitjour will be > great for discovery of projects etc and I'm sure there's a bunch of > other stuff we could all pitch in and build before or at the camp. The web stuff that was added to Gitjour was pretty good...with a little bit more love (perhaps Grit integration to generate sparklines of activity / forking action), leaving that up on the projector would work really well. As people gitjour serve'd their stuff, everyone would see it. Also, someone mentioned that using Gitjour on Linux was impossible, but someone actually did create a fork of Gitjour using Net::DNS::MDNS at the camp. Probably wasn't advertised well enough (probably as a side-effect of the lack of project visibility that everyone's talking about), but this should make it easier for everyone to participate in the *jour action next time around. Cheers, -- Nathan de Vries PS: Radar, remember that I still owe you money (+20% interest for being slack), so that cuts off $100. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: was: soliciting names
http://github.com/nathansobo/screw-unit/tree/master On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't want to hijack the thread - but what do people use for testing > javascript these days? > I got a little sick of jsunit with the test frame interface; so I > ripped out the assertion code and put it into something simpler. > > -- > Daniel Bush > > On Nov 20, 9:22 am, "Dave Newman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hey Guys, >> >> great meetup last night. There were some awesome presentations including >> commodore 64 background slides and pamela anderson ascii art! >> >> Anyhoo, im gonna push my javascript test coverage tool up to github but >> haven't picked a name yet. It's currently called blanket, there have been >> sugestions of jdoona or joona, jetspread and kitty litter cos it covers your >> shit. But! I think the emphasis is on Uncovering it right? Showing you >> your dirty untested code. Its time to treat javascript as a first class >> citizen! >> >> So, hit me with some names! >> >> ~Dave > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] was: soliciting names
Don't want to hijack the thread - but what do people use for testing javascript these days? I got a little sick of jsunit with the test frame interface; so I ripped out the assertion code and put it into something simpler. -- Daniel Bush On Nov 20, 9:22 am, "Dave Newman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Guys, > > great meetup last night. There were some awesome presentations including > commodore 64 background slides and pamela anderson ascii art! > > Anyhoo, im gonna push my javascript test coverage tool up to github but > haven't picked a name yet. It's currently called blanket, there have been > sugestions of jdoona or joona, jetspread and kitty litter cos it covers your > shit. But! I think the emphasis is on Uncovering it right? Showing you > your dirty untested code. Its time to treat javascript as a first class > citizen! > > So, hit me with some names! > > ~Dave --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
I guess I should make it clear that just because I don't think that 70 is too many, it doesn't mean that 150 would be cool. I definitely think we're reaching the upper bounds. Also, Lachie's points are 100%. If I'd thought of anything in my rant at the time, I hope I would have done it. But hindsight is a beautiful thing and I figured I'd share it so we can work out plans for avoiding some problems next time. :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Donated. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Ryan Bigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For the twitter (or twetter) there wasn't an easy way for Linux'ers to > jump on and post their messages, or was there? I couldn't see one on > the site and the only way that seemed to be possible was to download > the twitteriffic client for Mac. > > Lightning talks sound like a superb idea. Get to know what other > people are working on and then work on it with them and improve it > over the weekend (and pick on their Nuby Ruby) > > There was butchers paper, it was right below the whiteboard. There > were permanent markers floating around (2) and whiteboard markers > (also 2), and it seemed only the dish fairies used the whiteboard > markers. > > As for dinner, Saturday + Sunday it seemed to be around the same time. > Friday was a bit late due to me rolling a 1 when it came to > Delegation, sorry about that. > > Perhaps next Railscamp we could re-do Gitorious "right"? Dunno, just > throwing it out there. It just doesn't *feel* like Github which I > think I have a crush on. > > For the food: if you're not liking what's being served there was a > supermarket down the road (and a butcher + other things) where you can > go out and buy your own food. There was a stove, pans, and anything > you could use to cook it yourself. I know the whole point of you > paying for catering is to get food that you may possibly eat, but we > cannot accommodate for 70 different tastes in such a small budget. > > Thanks to Nigel for doing the washing up. This usually comes up as a > topic for the camps and it's pretty simple: If you made it dirty, you > wash it, dry it and put it away. Dish washing is something that > shouldn't be "oh it's someone else's job". It's your responsibility. > > Pledgie is going up now: http://pledgie.com/campaigns/2096. It makes > me feel horrible asking for money. > > Fantastic times were had guys, thank you very much for making it > another great camp! > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
For the twitter (or twetter) there wasn't an easy way for Linux'ers to jump on and post their messages, or was there? I couldn't see one on the site and the only way that seemed to be possible was to download the twitteriffic client for Mac. Lightning talks sound like a superb idea. Get to know what other people are working on and then work on it with them and improve it over the weekend (and pick on their Nuby Ruby) There was butchers paper, it was right below the whiteboard. There were permanent markers floating around (2) and whiteboard markers (also 2), and it seemed only the dish fairies used the whiteboard markers. As for dinner, Saturday + Sunday it seemed to be around the same time. Friday was a bit late due to me rolling a 1 when it came to Delegation, sorry about that. Perhaps next Railscamp we could re-do Gitorious "right"? Dunno, just throwing it out there. It just doesn't *feel* like Github which I think I have a crush on. For the food: if you're not liking what's being served there was a supermarket down the road (and a butcher + other things) where you can go out and buy your own food. There was a stove, pans, and anything you could use to cook it yourself. I know the whole point of you paying for catering is to get food that you may possibly eat, but we cannot accommodate for 70 different tastes in such a small budget. Thanks to Nigel for doing the washing up. This usually comes up as a topic for the camps and it's pretty simple: If you made it dirty, you wash it, dry it and put it away. Dish washing is something that shouldn't be "oh it's someone else's job". It's your responsibility. Pledgie is going up now: http://pledgie.com/campaigns/2096. It makes me feel horrible asking for money. Fantastic times were had guys, thank you very much for making it another great camp! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Yo yo. Bigs up all the SA peeps which made it happen, I had an awesome time. I've been talking about the number of people and I don't think that it was necessarily too many just that I have too many friends there now to collaborate and even get to have beers with them all, and also you gotta scale the way you run things with the number of people there. People have always wanted to game at Railscamp, bzflag, UT or otherwise... and we've always wanted guitar hero... and we've always wanted places to chill-out and do serious hacking (I have memories of Lach, Dan and others in the other room last railscamp going hardcore whilst the rest of the camp was fooling around in the main room). Maybe you have to segregate spaces a little bit to let some good stuff happen in isolation... maybe rather than people sitting at the same desk all weekend we make sure everyone knows it's about floating around? Also the Sunday night demos were awesome, glad we started them then and not later (like last time). If we could have that kinda stuff interspersed across the weekend that'd be better. Also maybe we should keep the demos limited to stuff we did *at* Railscamp, make that a little more clear for those who didn't understand (I did like the steak knives though). Some more tools to help a room full of hackage would always be useful— gitorious works but is a bit clunky, the web-based gitjour will be great for discovery of projects etc and I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff we could all pitch in and build before or at the camp. In regards to letting everyone know what hackery is going on, and helping those who want to get involved, maybe we have a big board called "Crazy Cool Projects" and "Crazy Cool People" were you can go put down the name of your project, and people can put their ichat/ twitter name if they're looking for something to hack on. I think as soon as you have something developed you can demo you should be able to take the floor and demo what you built, not wait til Sunday. Maybe some "Rules of Railscamp" would be awesome again. Stuff like cleaning up (though that seemed to go alright), how to mix gaming/ coding, etc. Some people had mixed opinions about the food but for a *camp* I personally found it spot on. All in all I had an awesome time and can't wait til the next one! -- tim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Also next time we shouldn't have annoying bots retweeting everything scrambled. It was so annoying I stopped using twitter. The first day or two it was really helpful and fun to see what people were doing, but then it just became noise. Otherwise I agree with everything Lachlan said... felt more like a lan party (i know i partook in this but still) and not enough like it was on sunday. Bo On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Tim Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20/11/2008, at 10:44 AM, Andrew Grimm wrote: > >> I was able to see from gitorious what projects there were, but there >> wasn't any ability to say "My project has passed 1.0, download it >> now!" > > did you jump on twitter? That I think should be where everyone > announces their stuff, and then add it to the wiki. > > Maybe we could be clearer about "If you wanna get your app up on the > server get hold of @lstoll and add it to the wiki and pimp it on > twitter"... leading by example would even be more awesomer, but that's > dependent on whether someone gets something up soonish. > > -- tim > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
On 20/11/2008, at 10:44 AM, Andrew Grimm wrote: > I was able to see from gitorious what projects there were, but there > wasn't any ability to say "My project has passed 1.0, download it > now!" did you jump on twitter? That I think should be where everyone announces their stuff, and then add it to the wiki. Maybe we could be clearer about "If you wanna get your app up on the server get hold of @lstoll and add it to the wiki and pimp it on twitter"... leading by example would even be more awesomer, but that's dependent on whether someone gets something up soonish. -- tim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
> * backup guitar hero > > Also: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NlMYWuGUZlM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
I found the movies a bit distracting - at least with Urban Terror you can choose whether to participate in it or not. With regards to the wiki, one problem with the rails-based wiki is that I couldn't see any way to upload images, and it lacks preview functionality. We shouldn't reject mediawiki just because of PHP cooties. Better communication of expectations may include what software to install in advance (like irc). Either that or the ability to install software once we get there (for every flavour of Linux, not just ubuntu? probably too hard) I was able to see from gitorious what projects there were, but there wasn't any ability to say "My project has passed 1.0, download it now!" Andrew On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Keith Pitty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > For the benefit of those organising future Railscamps, last night at > the Sydney meetup I sought answers to a couple of questions about > Railscamp 4. Here's what I was able to record as the rowdy audience > threw responses at me: > > WHAT WENT WELL? > > * radar!!! > * venue was awesome > * catering > * transport (bus) > * no computer BBQ > * nearby hospital > > HOW CAN WE IMPROVE? > > * backup guitar hero > * no obstacle courses > * better gitjour > * 70 people too many > * better pre-camp communication to set expectations > * less internet > * better internal wireless > * less urban terror > * pre-camp discussion of projects > * pre-camp suggestion of what to achieve > * more duke!!! > * wiki during camp (what you are working on now) > * more werewolf > * espresso machine > * more (no more) Mexican > > So there's a list to get the discussion going. I'm sure that the > Queenslanders who have volunteered to organise Railscamp 5 would > appreciate any constructive suggestions that you may wish to add. > > Regards, > Keith > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Ruby in Perth?
Hi guys, There's a couple of us a Colleagues ( www.colleagues-info.com ) doing virtually all our corporate web work on Rails. We are working on our core digital pen technology as well as a couple of big web sites in Rails. We still use J2EE but realistically we could probably avoid even that by using JRails. Our sites are fairly high availability and the digital pen work involves alot of in depth stuff in the front and back ends. We're basically Rails 2.1 + jQuery + MySQL and developing on Netbeans at the moment. Our team is growing but for now there's only a couple of us Rails guys. Personally I can't imagine going back away from Rails, I think more and more corporates are going that way. Tom, we've got a team of about 10 in our technology division (90 in the company) and do everything from high level business consultancy, business analysis as well as software architecture and implementation and have a lot of combined experience in both Java/J2EE and Rails. If you need some "feet on the ground" getting in front of your client, let me know. //matt 0404 491 477 On Nov 19, 12:19 pm, "Myles Eftos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Tom, > > There is 4 freelance Ruby developers in our office > (http://www.twotwenty.com.au), and there is a couple of others littered > around the place. The community isn't huge, but we are pretty solid. > > Not sure of too many corporates using it, although we are about to launch a > large survey system for mining companies that has been built in it. > > -- > Myles Eftos > Mobile: +61-409-293-183 > > MadPilot Productions > URL:http://www.madpilot.com.au > Phone: +618-6424-8234 > Fax: +618-9467-6289 > > Try our time tracking system: 88 Miles!http://www.88miles.net > > > -Original Message- > > From: rails-oceania@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomas Varsavsky > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:17 > > To: Ruby or Rails Oceania > > Subject: [rails-oceania] Ruby in Perth? > > > Hi, > > > I'm from Melbourne but assisting a client in Perth in > > deciding between Ruby or Java for their next project. One of > > the concerns that has been raised is the availability of > > people with Ruby skills in Perth. Is there a strong Ruby > > community in Perth? Are you aware of any corporates using it? > > > Cheers, > > > /Tom > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [railscamp] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
> * better gitjour I'm working on it. Should have some goodies up on github as soon as catching up on work and life allows me to surface. Keep on eye of http://github.com/lachlanhardy/gitjour for the funk. (and, preferably, fix my nooby Ruby) > * 70 people too many I completely disagree. 70 people is only too many if you don't know them all. The first couple of camps we had a pattern that broke the ice, formed new groups and gave us all awesome inspiration to hack. We didn't have that this time. For future camps, I recommend we structure things a little more to shape the weekend. Sunday afternoon/evening/late night began to feel a lot more like Railscamp than the massive LAN party we'd been having until then. I say we go back to the stupid introductory ice-breaking activities that everybody thinks are kinda lame. They are. We know. But they *work*. You get to meet other cool people and learn what they're into. It's heaps more fun hacking with folks you don't meet with regularly cause it broadens just about everything you can learn from them / with them So bring back crazy ruby-oriented pizza making. Or Half-baked. Or some ruby and/or web quiz. Anything as long as everybody has to participate in mixed random teams that they don't get to pick. This can be introduced via the welcome to Railscamp and intro to the rules and facilities (which is also a nice way to make sure generous folks like Nigel don't spend an hour cleaning up after everyone on the first morning). So that should deal with breaking the ice, meeting new peeps and forming new groups. Then we need some inspiration: First thing. Blog the fuck out of railscamp. Talk about what you like about it, what you want to do there. What you want to build. Point folks to your code for existing projects or map out plans for new ones. We should set up some aggregration based on #railscamp to get your ideas to everybody (and your post-camp love after you get home!) Butchers paper/ whiteboards should be made available from the start of the camp for organising sessions for Saturday and Sunday (this can also get pimped in the welcome). But what I'd really love to see is lightning talks on the Friday night. Show off shizzle you've already done. Show off some half-finished project that you'd love to crack on with over the weekend. Show off a new framework or app. Anything really. The idea would be for as many folks as possible to roll through. 5 mins max - even down to 2-3 minutes. The more folks step up and show something, the more we know about each other and the more likely we are to find somebody/something cool that we want to hack with/on. We had this at the first railscamp with Tim's preso on Twatter. Everybody spent the rest of the weekend writing Camping apps. We had it at the second camp with Duke, and Tim's preso-cum-workshop on Git, and Dan asking people why they hadn't used Merb yet then helping them install 0.4(!). The third camp had the *jours and Duke (again!). And Twetter. And... The list goes on. If my agenda for Railscamp could be summarised easily, it would be this: 1. Meet awesome new friends. 2. Start grand crazy projects with them. 3. Demo sexy-delicious-awesomeness. 4. Profit! Just some stuff I've been thinking about since I turned to Tim at about 9pm on Sunday night after the presentations had been flowing thick and fast for nearly 7 hours and said: "Now, *this* is railscamp!" I'd like to add my congratulations to Radar and Richo, though. Fucking awesome camp, gentlemen. Big ups to all who helped out. And much love for everybody I met. I had a completely sensational time and learned a lot from all of you. Hopefully next time I can meet the rest of you (I think I missed at least 10 peeps), plus some new folks, and we can build something amazing! Lachlan Hardy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Session and threads
>> I don't recall seeing Rails/Mongrel making decisions towards how >> long a thread should last. ... as in killing my requests that go over 60 seconds, or for that matter, any number of seconds. My understanding from the original question was that there were hanging processes sitting there because of (?) ssh connections there weren't closed(?). > I'm experimenting with the Session class > (http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/session/) to make some SSH calls from > a RoR app. It's working fine only it leaves leftover threads (actually, > bash processes) around. Then I read the rest of the email. So nevermind. ps: I still think that wrapping said connections in a terminator/timeout block would solve the problem though. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Nathan de Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20/11/2008, at 10:25 AM, Julio Cesar Ody wrote: >> I don't recall seeing Rails/Mongrel making decisions towards how >> long a thread should last. > > You might want to take a look at Mongrel#initialize then. In > particular, the default timeout value of 60 seconds. When Mongrel > receives a TERM signal and calls Mongrel#graceful_shutdown, it uses > that timeout value to determine if any of the workers have been > running too long. If a thread in one of the workers has been running > longer than 60 seconds, the timeout will have been exceeded and > Mongrel will raise a TimeoutError on that worker thread. > > > Cheers, > > -- > Nathan de Vries > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Session and threads
On 20/11/2008, at 10:25 AM, Julio Cesar Ody wrote: > I don't recall seeing Rails/Mongrel making decisions towards how > long a thread should last. You might want to take a look at Mongrel#initialize then. In particular, the default timeout value of 60 seconds. When Mongrel receives a TERM signal and calls Mongrel#graceful_shutdown, it uses that timeout value to determine if any of the workers have been running too long. If a thread in one of the workers has been running longer than 60 seconds, the timeout will have been exceeded and Mongrel will raise a TimeoutError on that worker thread. Cheers, -- Nathan de Vries --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Sydney Meetup, Wednesday November 19, 2008
Hi all, I'm the guy who gave the demo of simple Comet last night. A bloke named Adam asked if the code was available, so i've put it on my blog if he or anyone else is still interested. http://splinter.com.au/blog/?p=43 Cheers On Nov 19, 2:54 pm, chris h <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great, thanks Jason for the warm welcome. Sure, i'll give it a go > then. My topic is a 'so-simple-it's-silly demo of Comet, aka reverse- > ajax'. > > On Nov 19, 2:31 pm, Jason Crane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey Chris, > > > Go for it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Session and threads
I don't recall seeing Rails/Mongrel making decisions towards how long a thread should last. So I'd say the best way out of making sure you wrap in a terminator/timeout block any operation that *can* end up blocking forever. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Nathan de Vries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 19/11/2008, at 9:40 PM, Andrew Foster wrote: >> Does anyone know how I can clean these up as I go? > > Session#execute should be reaping its own threads (if it's not, that's > a bug). If Session is left doing its thing for too long (greater than > 60 seconds, I believe), it will be holding up the workers in Mongrel's > ThreadGroup and Mongrel will annihilate your worker as best as it can. > Wrapping your call to SSH in a Timeout/Terminator block might fix > things, but I'm not too sure about that. > > -- > Nathan de Vries > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Soliciting names
While we're on the topic of code coverage...to whoever I was talking to about rcov, my definitions of C0/C1/C2 were incorrect, so if you'd like to read up on exactly what they mean I'd suggest you check out Mauricio Fernandez's description [1]. Cheers, -- Nathan de Vries [1] http://eigenclass.org/hiki/rcov --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Session and threads
On 19/11/2008, at 9:40 PM, Andrew Foster wrote: > Does anyone know how I can clean these up as I go? Session#execute should be reaping its own threads (if it's not, that's a bug). If Session is left doing its thing for too long (greater than 60 seconds, I believe), it will be holding up the workers in Mongrel's ThreadGroup and Mongrel will annihilate your worker as best as it can. Wrapping your call to SSH in a Timeout/Terminator block might fix things, but I'm not too sure about that. -- Nathan de Vries --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Railscamp 4: What worked well; how can we improve?
Hi all, For the benefit of those organising future Railscamps, last night at the Sydney meetup I sought answers to a couple of questions about Railscamp 4. Here's what I was able to record as the rowdy audience threw responses at me: WHAT WENT WELL? * radar!!! * venue was awesome * catering * transport (bus) * no computer BBQ * nearby hospital HOW CAN WE IMPROVE? * backup guitar hero * no obstacle courses * better gitjour * 70 people too many * better pre-camp communication to set expectations * less internet * better internal wireless * less urban terror * pre-camp discussion of projects * pre-camp suggestion of what to achieve * more duke!!! * wiki during camp (what you are working on now) * more werewolf * espresso machine * more (no more) Mexican So there's a list to get the discussion going. I'm sure that the Queenslanders who have volunteered to organise Railscamp 5 would appreciate any constructive suggestions that you may wish to add. Regards, Keith --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
> > I'd like to echo that. Last night's meetup was the best yet. > It was definitely up there, that's for sure. So, I reckon there is a happy median for these talks, ones that drag on for ever tend to put the room to sleep and these short sharp ones were tops but I felt on a few there was a couple of good questions that could have been tabled and everyone would have benefitted. So, that said, maybe we could do a 5 min talk and an N min Q&A session in the future? if N was 2.5 mins then that'd make it 2 talks with questions every 15 mins. Anyone have any thoughts? Matta --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Soliciting names
Hey Guys, great meetup last night. There were some awesome presentations including commodore 64 background slides and pamela anderson ascii art! Anyhoo, im gonna push my javascript test coverage tool up to github but haven't picked a name yet. It's currently called blanket, there have been sugestions of jdoona or joona, jetspread and kitty litter cos it covers your shit. But! I think the emphasis is on Uncovering it right? Showing you your dirty untested code. Its time to treat javascript as a first class citizen! So, hit me with some names! ~Dave --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
I'd like to echo that. Last night's meetup was the best yet. The strict 5min lightning format worked *really* well and we managed to fit 10+ awesome talks in. Thanks to all the presenters and organisers! Cheers, Josh On 20/11/2008, at 12:41 AM, Ben Askins wrote: > > Hey Sydney Siders, > > I really enjoyed tonight's meetup, thanks everyone for presenting, > participating, and heckling. Was very much fun indeed. > > Here's the slides from my talk on open-uri and hpricot > http://www.slideshare.net/ben.askins/just-dont-moan-about-it-presentation > ;) > There are quite possibly some glaring errors in the hpricot examples, > unfortunately Keynote doesn't support syntax checking, but that's > hardly the point. > > Enjoy! > > cheers, > Ben > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
I haz video, but the audio from last night was really ordinary :( I'll see if I can clean it up. J On 20/11/2008, at 12:50 AM, Tim Lucas wrote: > > On 20/11/2008, at 12:41 AM, Ben Askins wrote: > >> I really enjoyed tonight's meetup, thanks everyone for presenting, >> participating, and heckling. Was very much fun indeed. >> >> Here's the slides from my talk on open-uri and hpricot >> http://www.slideshare.net/ben.askins/just-dont-moan-about-it-presentation >> > > Holy crap... awesome. If only I'd seen it. > > Hopefully Snapper has some audio to go along with it. > > -- tim > > > > > > > > Merb. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Melbourne Silicon Beach Drinks this Friday 21st Carlton Hotel CBD 6pm
Hi Rubyists, Time for the next Melbourne Silicon Beach afterwork drinks again. The Carlton Hotel 193 Bourke St, Melbourne. Its a small part of the attempt to bring the Australian web, tech, new media, and startup community together. The last one went well and we need your help to keep the momentum going. 6pm onwards, outside in the courtyard if the weather is good. Look again for the multicolored hackysack on the table. See details and photos of first drinks with a dozen or so turning up at www.melbournesiliconbeach.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Session and threads
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Andrew Foster < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm experimenting with the Session class > (http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/session/) to make some SSH calls from > a RoR app. It's working fine only it leaves leftover threads (actually, > bash processes) around. > Does anyone know how I can clean these up as I go? > terminator gem might handle this... if you are on bsd or linux that is. http://lindsaar.net/2008/9/11/terminator-timeout-without-mercy Try it out. Mikel -- http://lindsaar.net/ Rails, RSpec and Life blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
On 20/11/2008, at 12:41 AM, Ben Askins wrote: > I really enjoyed tonight's meetup, thanks everyone for presenting, > participating, and heckling. Was very much fun indeed. > > Here's the slides from my talk on open-uri and hpricot > http://www.slideshare.net/ben.askins/just-dont-moan-about-it-presentation > Holy crap... awesome. If only I'd seen it. Hopefully Snapper has some audio to go along with it. -- tim Merb. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] [rorosyd] Slides from my *cough* open-uri and hpricot talk
Hey Sydney Siders, I really enjoyed tonight's meetup, thanks everyone for presenting, participating, and heckling. Was very much fun indeed. Here's the slides from my talk on open-uri and hpricot http://www.slideshare.net/ben.askins/just-dont-moan-about-it-presentation ;) There are quite possibly some glaring errors in the hpricot examples, unfortunately Keynote doesn't support syntax checking, but that's hardly the point. Enjoy! cheers, Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Session and threads
Hi all, I'm experimenting with the Session class (http://raa.ruby-lang.org/project/session/) to make some SSH calls from a RoR app. It's working fine only it leaves leftover threads (actually, bash processes) around. When I stop the web server (Mongrel) it says "Reaping threads for slow workers because of 'shutdown'". Does anyone know how I can clean these up as I go? Thanks - Andrew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[rails-oceania] Re: Ruby in Perth?
I'm not sure on corporates using it but as the others have mentioned there is a decent-ish community over here. As much as it's a popularity contest, as well as those listed here (David, Matt, Myles, Gary and I) there are also a few more listed on Working with Rails - http://workingwithrails.com/home/gsearch?cx=011646649603620920052%3Aunk85clumau&cof=FORID%3A9&q=Perth%2C+Australia&sa=Find And a decent amount of us are also freelancing / looking for work as well so if you can find them there is usually a decent chance many of them are available for hire. - Darcy On Nov 19, 3:34 pm, Tomas Varsavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > JRuby is fast becoming a realistic option, perhaps making the Ruby vs Java > > decision easier. JRuby and Java can call each others code, JRuby runs > > Rails, > > Yes, we've used JRuby on other clients with great success. > Unfortunately the deployment architecture will be based on Microsoft > Windows Server 2003 so we may have to go the JRuby option if we run > into problems. > > /Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to rails-oceania@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
