[RBW] Re: Riding my Romulus up Mt Tam tomorrow (12/20)

[Ray Shine]

--- On Sun, 12/21/08, franklyn  wrote:
From: franklyn 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riding my Romulus up Mt Tam tomorrow (12/20)
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 11:22 PM

No snow on Tam! but it was still very cold. I got to SF at about
8:30AM and rode through the City. It was a very nice morning, but
pretty cold. We (my girlfriend and I) got to fairfax at about 9:30
ready to climb up. Even though we were trying to ride in a good rhythm
to warm up, I still had numb toes and fingers almost the entire time.

The stretch between Alpine Dam and the ridge was still closed to car
traffic, but plenty of cyclists were going through (by the way, the
water level at the dam was pretty low). The ascent from the dam to
ridgecrest was scenic as ever, and still rank as one of our favorite
stretch, but riding in the shade on this morning was a little too
chilly. We got to Ridgecrest and appreciated the sun rays.

Even though there were no snow on saturday, the road crew had dumped
loose gravels on the road on ridgecrest near rock springs, as well as
on Pantoll all the way down to the ranger station, making the descend
a little hairy. The coast down to Mill Valley on Panoramic Highway and
Sequoia Valley Road was very nice.

I was pretty hungry and tired by the time I got to Sausalito, as I
didn't bring enough food was stubborn enough not to stop and buy some.
The climb up to the bridge was tougher than usual.

Overall, it was a pretty nice ride, I will probably wear a jacket next
time in these conditions

Franklyn

On Dec 20, 7:14 am, Mike  wrote:
> Oh, I see that. I got confused. Well have a good ride and a nice trip
> Ray. And Franklyn, you have a good ride too.
>
> --Mike
>
> On Dec 19, 10:30 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
>
> > Hi, Mike - Actually, that is Franklyn who is headed up Tam
tomorrow.  I asked what time he's leaving because I might be able to
squeeze it in if he'll have the company.  I remember meeting you on the
Golden Gate Bridge.  That was a nice day.  If I get up there tomorrow, I will
take pix and post a couple.  I normally ride to the top of Tam on each New
Year's Day, rain or shine, hangover or not. But we leave Sunday for a couple
of weeks and I'll miss my annual good luck ride to the summit.  Maybe I can
do it a week early and the Romulus Gods will still find it favorable and bless
me for another year!
>
> > Enjoy your holiday.
>
> > ray Shine
>
> > --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Mike  wrote:
> > From: Mike 


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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[Mike]

I knew there was method to his "madness".

So a "shallow" seat tube angle is one that's less straight up and
down? 71.5 is more relaxed and laid back? And so you might actually
scoot your saddle forward on this bike to get the same fit as on
another bike?

--mike

On Dec 21, 10:38 pm, Big Paulie  wrote:
> Great post. Thanks for all that, Grant.
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[RBW] NAHBS Indianapolis

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I'm considering whether to attend NAHBS 2009 in Indianapolis. Rumor
has it that Indy isn't much of a cycling town. Anybody have experience
cycling there? Any recommended rides? Obviously, it's not an optimal
time of the year, but I can enjoy cycling in fairly inclement weather.
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[Sarah Gibson]

> > > I'm considering whether to attend NAHBS 2009 in Indianapolis. Rumor> has 
> > > it that Indy isn't much of a cycling town. Anybody have experience> 
> > > cycling there? Any recommended rides? Obviously, it's not an optimal> 
> > > time of the year, but I can enjoy cycling in fairly inclement weather.
 
 
 
 
there will be lots of folks with bikes
coming in for the show
tho ive not ridden there
some of the kc tribe
grew up there
their folks are giving us space to stay
so they say the cycling scene is not huge
but i have heard the streets are wide 
and mostly deserted at nite
with a decent map
and a band of merry souls
its gonna be a good time
the 8 of us heading up from kc
are all taking bikes
and ive talked to quite a few others
who will also have bikes
reckon that said
we will be creating our own bicycle culture
if indeed none exists
of course the first nite of the show
is also last friday
critical mass
my pals who grew up there
have done it in indy
about 20 or so riders
well in feb
its gonna be at least 28
maybe u will join us?
googling bike shops in indy
gave me a sense of hope bout the town
there are lots of shops listed
and ive heard rumor
this is an awesome shop
from folks who've ventured into acme
they tell bout this one
http://www.indycyclespecialist.com/
tho its obviously much larger than acme
(we r 2500 sg ft)
we shall see
we shall see
peace
 
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[RBW] AHH rear eyelets

[Greenwayrider]

Does anyone know why my AHH only has one rear dropout eyelet? Just
curious.
Thanks for any replies.
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[JoelMatthews]

We are a couple years early, but I remember reading about plans for a
fairly comprehensive bike and pedestrian path underway in Indianapolis
and being fairly impressed all things considered:

http://www.indyculturaltrail.org/timeline.html

Especially downstate Indiana has some nice bike country.  A lot of
uncrowded country roads going over moderately rolling terrain.  Nice
place to visit late Fall when Wisconsin and Iowa are starting to get
nippy.

I probably will bring one of my bikes with me.  Too bad Amtrak no
longer goes to Indy from Chicago.

On Dec 22, 10:07 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
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> I'm considering whether to attend NAHBS 2009 in Indianapolis. Rumor
> has it that Indy isn't much of a cycling town. Anybody have experience
> cycling there? Any recommended rides? Obviously, it's not an optimal
> time of the year, but I can enjoy cycling in fairly inclement weather.
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[JoelMatthews]

>Too bad Amtrak no longer goes to Indy from Chicago.

Sorry.  Meant to say too bad the schedule is so abbreviated.


On Dec 22, 11:16 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> We are a couple years early, but I remember reading about plans for a
> fairly comprehensive bike and pedestrian path underway in Indianapolis
> and being fairly impressed all things considered:
>
> http://www.indyculturaltrail.org/timeline.html
>
> Especially downstate Indiana has some nice bike country.  A lot of
> uncrowded country roads going over moderately rolling terrain.  Nice
> place to visit late Fall when Wisconsin and Iowa are starting to get
> nippy.
>
> I probably will bring one of my bikes with me.  Too bad Amtrak no
> longer goes to Indy from Chicago.
>
> On Dec 22, 10:07 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> > I'm considering whether to attend NAHBS 2009 in Indianapolis. Rumor
> > has it that Indy isn't much of a cycling town. Anybody have experience
> > cycling there? Any recommended rides? Obviously, it's not an optimal
> > time of the year, but I can enjoy cycling in fairly inclement weather.- 
> > Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: AHH rear eyelets

[Gino Zahnd]

Do you mean one per side on the rear, or do you mean just one on one rear
dropout and not one on the other rear dropout?



On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Greenwayrider  wrote:

>
> Does anyone know why my AHH only has one rear dropout eyelet? Just
> curious.
> Thanks for any replies.
> >
>

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[RBW] looking for.....

[Sarah Gibson]

plasticy banners
advertisingold or new
bicycle parts
manufacturers
bicycles
venues
etc
etc
 
pvc style banners
for a few projects im working on at home
only requirement
waterproof
 
have absolutely no budget for this project
but gladly refund/imburse shipping to kc
or weird/silly/goofy/totally unremarkable/unusable/laughable
ohmygodwhatweretheythinking sorta
bike widgets in appreciation
 
thanks
happiest of holidays
peace
 
 
 
 
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[RBW] Campagnolo Signs on as Wheels North Sponsor

[Eric Norris]

Italian component maker Campagnolo has signed on as a sponsor of  
Wheels North, the 2009 Santa Rosa-Seattle fundraising ride:

http://wheelsnorth.blogspot.com/

More info on Wheels North is available at www.wheelsnorth.org

--Eric
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org




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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[Chris]

I'll be there at the show and I'm from Indy originally. Indy is really
nice for cycling, downtown and the North and South sides are really
nice. If you want to travel a bit, Brown County Indiana is hilly and
beautiful but I'd be leary if there was snow in Brown County.

Check out these guys: http://www.cibaride.org/

Or these guys are two of the exhibitors that will be at the show and
are in Indy
http://www.lugoftheirish.com/Shamrock_Cycles-_Hand_Built_Frames_from_the_Mountains_of_Indiana/Home.html
http://www.donwalkercycles.com/Welcome.html

Chris


On Dec 22, 9:20 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> >Too bad Amtrak no longer goes to Indy from Chicago.
>
> Sorry.  Meant to say too bad the schedule is so abbreviated.
>
> On Dec 22, 11:16 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > We are a couple years early, but I remember reading about plans for a
> > fairly comprehensive bike and pedestrian path underway in Indianapolis
> > and being fairly impressed all things considered:
>
> >http://www.indyculturaltrail.org/timeline.html
>
> > Especially downstate Indiana has some nice bike country.  A lot of
> > uncrowded country roads going over moderately rolling terrain.  Nice
> > place to visit late Fall when Wisconsin and Iowa are starting to get
> > nippy.
>
> > I probably will bring one of my bikes with me.  Too bad Amtrak no
> > longer goes to Indy from Chicago.
>
> > On Dec 22, 10:07 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>
> >  wrote:
> > > I'm considering whether to attend NAHBS 2009 in Indianapolis. Rumor
> > > has it that Indy isn't much of a cycling town. Anybody have experience
> > > cycling there? Any recommended rides? Obviously, it's not an optimal
> > > time of the year, but I can enjoy cycling in fairly inclement weather.- 
> > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: AHH rear eyelets

[Greenwayrider]

sorry, one per side.


On Dec 22, 12:25 pm, "Gino Zahnd"  wrote:
> Do you mean one per side on the rear, or do you mean just one on one rear
> dropout and not one on the other rear dropout?
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Greenwayrider  wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know why my AHH only has one rear dropout eyelet? Just
> > curious.
> > Thanks for any replies.
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[RBW] Re: AHH rear eyelets

[Horace]

Weight savings.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Greenwayrider  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why my AHH only has one rear dropout eyelet? Just
> curious.
> Thanks for any replies.
> >
>

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[Doug Peterson]

My daughter lives in Indy & reports it's not too bike friendly.  The people
are great but the roads are narrow, shoulderless & no bike lanes.  

Hodson's Bay Company in West Lafayette http://www.hodsonsbay.com/links.html
has links to local organizations.  They also stock a great book entitled
"Back Roads of Indiana" by Charlie Myer.  It's got highly detailed maps by
county with routes listed & a key map of the state so you can stitch
together routes that cover more than one county.  The more interesting
cycling is in the southern part of the state.  

dougP

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Cyclery
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:08 AM
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Subject: [RBW] NAHBS Indianapolis


I'm considering whether to attend NAHBS 2009 in Indianapolis. Rumor
has it that Indy isn't much of a cycling town. Anybody have experience
cycling there? Any recommended rides? Obviously, it's not an optimal
time of the year, but I can enjoy cycling in fairly inclement weather.




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[RBW] Re: AHH rear eyelets

[John McMurry]

On Dec 22, 12:07 pm, Greenwayrider  wrote:
> Does anyone know why my AHH only has one rear dropout eyelet? Just
> curious.
> Thanks for any replies.

Most that I've seen have two (per side), like my AHH, and I guess some
have only one.

It isn't a big deal though.  You can easily mount both fenders and
rack on just one set of eyelets.

A run of different dropouts perhaps?

John McMurry
Burlington, VT



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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[Sarah Gibson]

never ridden bikes there myself
but this was one listmember
or was it ibob
anyhoos
this is what he had to say
 
 
"damn, flying there so i won't have wheels. kind of a shame, as the town> > 
empties at night with huge spread out roads- I was there for a> > conference 
and yearning for a bike. It will be a blast for you all.> > the one thing a bit 
troublesome with the town was the difficulty finding> > vegetarian, but i am 
not terribly picky (outside of that constraint) and> > can eat quite 
minimally."peace
 
 
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[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

[rinjin]

Keep us posted if this idea gains traction. My brother lives in O'side
and I've ridden there with him a few times. Some very nice rides in
the area. To the north there's the Pendleton ride through the Marine
base and up the coast to Trestles and San Onofre. Southward there's
Swami's and La Jolla. Best burritos are in Carlsbad. I haven't
traveled with my Ram before, but there's always a first time. If we
wanted to get ambitious (in terms of organization) it's worth thinking
about the Tour de (duh?) California's schedule. I believe the ninth
and final stage will start in the Escondido area.

Brian

On Dec 21, 11:20 am, "David Estes"  wrote:
> Doug, great idea!   L.A./O.C./I.E. folks could Metrolink down to Oceanside,
> S.D. people could Metrolink or ride up.  Everyone rolls south and then can
> Metrolink home!  Oceanside could be the meet-up, or maybe even San Clemente
> if we're really motivated (not sure what shape I'm in for that, but an
> option...)
>
> DE
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:
>
> > Although I'm up on Orange County, I'd be interested.  So far, I've only run
> > into one other Riv rider in my area, another guy with an Atlantis, & he
> > lives about 5 miles away.
>
> > One of the things my touring buds & I do is take Metrolink down to
> > Oceanside
> > & either ride from there south or a couple of times we've taken the
> > Sprinter
> > out to Escondido & ridden from there.  Downtown for an overnight or loops
> > back to Oceanside.  Basically north county for you guys.  Might be fun to
> > explore further south.  Keep me in the loop.
>
> > dougP
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:36 PM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!
>
> > Esteban,
> > That sounds good to me, I'll be back after the new year as well. I
> > know I met a guy in Encinitas one that said he rode an Atlantis I
> > think...
> > Chris
>
> > On Dec 20, 8:58 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> > > Congrats on the mileage.  We need to get a little San Diego ride
> > > together - maybe up to one of our stellar breweries.  I'm back in town
> > > from SF after the new year.  There's quite a few of us, I think.
>
> > > On Dec 20, 4:21 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > > On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:35 -0800, Chris wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Patrick!
>
> > > > > BTW- To all the Saluki owners...I really wasn't saying the Bleriot is
> > > > > comperable the Saluki, I'm sure there are tons of differences...it
> > was
> > > > > just striking to see the similarities. Of course, the description of
> > > > > what the intent of the bike is is pretty much the same on the Riv
> > > > > site.
>
> > > > Actually, the similarities are intentional.  The Bleriot was intended
> > to
> > > > be a less expensive version of the Saluki.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
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[RBW] WTT or FS Lil Loafer and Rack

[Phil Bickford]

WTT
My Nitto Campee M-12 cantilever front rack and "Lil Loafer" Bag in
khaki from Nigel Smyth for your Nitto Front Campee or Nitto RBW Big
Front Rack.

OR

FS M-12 rack and "Lil Loafer"  $115 plus shipping

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[RBW] Bronx cheer for the postal service

[MichaelH]

My copies of BQ and the Rivendell Holiday Catalog arrived today!

peace, shalom, salaam,
Michael
Westford, Vt
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[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!

[Chris]

It starts in Ranch Bernardo (Poway area) and finishes in downtoen
Escondido...sounds good to me
Chris

On Dec 22, 12:44 pm, rinjin  wrote:
> Keep us posted if this idea gains traction. My brother lives in O'side
> and I've ridden there with him a few times. Some very nice rides in
> the area. To the north there's the Pendleton ride through the Marine
> base and up the coast to Trestles and San Onofre. Southward there's
> Swami's and La Jolla. Best burritos are in Carlsbad. I haven't
> traveled with my Ram before, but there's always a first time. If we
> wanted to get ambitious (in terms of organization) it's worth thinking
> about the Tour de (duh?) California's schedule. I believe the ninth
> and final stage will start in the Escondido area.
>
> Brian
>
> On Dec 21, 11:20 am, "David Estes"  wrote:
>
> > Doug, great idea!   L.A./O.C./I.E. folks could Metrolink down to Oceanside,
> > S.D. people could Metrolink or ride up.  Everyone rolls south and then can
> > Metrolink home!  Oceanside could be the meet-up, or maybe even San Clemente
> > if we're really motivated (not sure what shape I'm in for that, but an
> > option...)
>
> > DE
>
> > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:
>
> > > Although I'm up on Orange County, I'd be interested.  So far, I've only 
> > > run
> > > into one other Riv rider in my area, another guy with an Atlantis, & he
> > > lives about 5 miles away.
>
> > > One of the things my touring buds & I do is take Metrolink down to
> > > Oceanside
> > > & either ride from there south or a couple of times we've taken the
> > > Sprinter
> > > out to Escondido & ridden from there.  Downtown for an overnight or loops
> > > back to Oceanside.  Basically north county for you guys.  Might be fun to
> > > explore further south.  Keep me in the loop.
>
> > > dougP
>
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:36 PM
> > > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!
>
> > > Esteban,
> > > That sounds good to me, I'll be back after the new year as well. I
> > > know I met a guy in Encinitas one that said he rode an Atlantis I
> > > think...
> > > Chris
>
> > > On Dec 20, 8:58 pm, Esteban  wrote:
> > > > Congrats on the mileage.  We need to get a little San Diego ride
> > > > together - maybe up to one of our stellar breweries.  I'm back in town
> > > > from SF after the new year.  There's quite a few of us, I think.
>
> > > > On Dec 20, 4:21 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:35 -0800, Chris wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Patrick!
>
> > > > > > BTW- To all the Saluki owners...I really wasn't saying the Bleriot 
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > comperable the Saluki, I'm sure there are tons of differences...it
> > > was
> > > > > > just striking to see the similarities. Of course, the description of
> > > > > > what the intent of the bike is is pretty much the same on the Riv
> > > > > > site.
>
> > > > > Actually, the similarities are intentional.  The Bleriot was intended
> > > to
> > > > > be a less expensive version of the Saluki.
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
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[RBW] rusty seat tube

[Andy C.]

Hello all:
I bought a used Quickbeam a year ago; and though the outside is still
a beautiful green, I'm afraid the inside may be closer to the newer
orange color.
When I took the seat post out to re-grease and stop the squeaking, it
had a couple of rusty veins on it.
A have a few questions:
1) If I am to spray some Boshield in there, do I need to remove the
bottom bracket so everything runs out?
2) Should I ream and scrape?
3) Does it really matter, since I live in the dry Bay Area and I can
just regrease the seat tube?
4) Any other advice?
Thanks for your help in advance.
--AC
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[RBW] Re: rusty seat tube

[Eric Norris]

Andy:

I would run a rag lightly moistened with oil inside the seat tube to  
get rid of any surface rust, then grease and insert the seat post.   
Maybe spray a little Boeshield or FrameSaver down the seat tube and  
into the top tube while the post is out--SF can get a little moist.

--Eric
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www.wheelsnorth.org



On Dec 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Andy C. wrote:

>
> Hello all:
> I bought a used Quickbeam a year ago; and though the outside is still
> a beautiful green, I'm afraid the inside may be closer to the newer
> orange color.
> When I took the seat post out to re-grease and stop the squeaking, it
> had a couple of rusty veins on it.
> A have a few questions:
> 1) If I am to spray some Boshield in there, do I need to remove the
> bottom bracket so everything runs out?
> 2) Should I ream and scrape?
> 3) Does it really matter, since I live in the dry Bay Area and I can
> just regrease the seat tube?
> 4) Any other advice?
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> --AC
> >


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[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service

[Horace]

"Neither snow nor rain nor heat of day nor gloom of night shall stay
these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds."

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM, MichaelH  wrote:
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> My copies of BQ and the Rivendell Holiday Catalog arrived today!
>
> peace, shalom, salaam,
> Michael
> Westford, Vt
> >
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[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service

[MichaelS]

>From 

The building prominently bears the inscription: Neither snow nor rain
nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift
completion of their appointed rounds, which is frequently mistaken as
an official motto of the United States Postal Service. It was actually
supplied by William Mitchell Kendall of the firm of McKim, Mead &
White, the architects who designed the Farley Building and the
original Pennsylvania Station in the same Beaux-Arts style. The
sentence is taken from Herodotus' Histories (Book 8, Ch. 98) and
describes the faithful service of the Persian system of mounted postal
messengers under Xerxes I of Persia. The USPS does not actually have
an official motto or creed, but nonetheless the inscription on the
building is often recognized as such.

Geekily yours- Mike in frigid So. Boston, Mass

(where neither snow, cold, or gloom of night stayed me from riding my
bike in at 5.45 this morning)



On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Horace  wrote:
>
> "Neither snow nor rain nor heat of day nor gloom of night shall stay
> these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds."
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM, MichaelH  wrote:
>>
>> My copies of BQ and the Rivendell Holiday Catalog arrived today!
>>
>> peace, shalom, salaam,
>> Michael
>> Westford, Vt
>> >
>>
>
> >
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[RBW] Re: rusty seat tube

[Angus]

Andy,

I have had a bit of rust form inside the tubes of my All-Rounder (I
wasn't quick enough with the frame saver).  I basically followed the
method Eric Norris recommends and have not had a problem since...it's
been 10 years.

Based on my experience riding in rain/cyclocross, the seat tube/post
is quite suseptable to moisture entry.

Angus

On Dec 22, 3:37 pm, "Andy C."  wrote:
> Hello all:
> I bought a used Quickbeam a year ago; and though the outside is still
> a beautiful green, I'm afraid the inside may be closer to the newer
> orange color.
> When I took the seat post out to re-grease and stop the squeaking, it
> had a couple of rusty veins on it.
> A have a few questions:
> 1) If I am to spray some Boshield in there, do I need to remove the
> bottom bracket so everything runs out?
> 2) Should I ream and scrape?
> 3) Does it really matter, since I live in the dry Bay Area and I can
> just regrease the seat tube?
> 4) Any other advice?
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> --AC
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[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service

[dally]

My copy arrived on the 19th, too bad as I would sure have qualified
for the 30% off, I'm sure Riv did all possible to get them out on
time, things always don't work out.

On Dec 22, 2:05 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
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>
> peace, shalom, salaam,
> Michael
> Westford, Vt
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[Invisible]

What's the uncut steer-tube length on the Sam Hillborne fork? The
frame is wonderful, but I'm leery of threaded headsets and would want
to go threadless if I owned one.

Follow-ups: are frames even available with uncut forks? What about the
Atlantis and AHH?

-Wesley
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:16 -0800, Invisible wrote:
> What's the uncut steer-tube length on the Sam Hillborne fork? The
> frame is wonderful, but I'm leery of threaded headsets and would want
> to go threadless if I owned one.

Leery?  What's there to be leery about?  They're as reliable and
dependable as bricks or cement blocks or two by fours.  I mean, I can
understand if you happen to really like threadless, think it looks good,
etc., and would prefer it -- but both work fine and if taken care of
both will last a long time.


> Follow-ups: are frames even available with uncut forks? What about the
> Atlantis and AHH?


"Uncut forks" is a threadless thing.  You typically don't cut threaded
forks.




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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[David Estes]

I read on the internet that now Rivendell is now making their new bikes out
of bricks and 2X4s...

The nicer ones use cement blocks, too.


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:16 -0800, Invisible wrote:
> > What's the uncut steer-tube length on the Sam Hillborne fork? The
> > frame is wonderful, but I'm leery of threaded headsets and would want
> > to go threadless if I owned one.
>
> Leery?  What's there to be leery about?  They're as reliable and
> dependable as bricks or cement blocks or two by fours.  I mean, I can
> understand if you happen to really like threadless, think it looks good,
> etc., and would prefer it -- but both work fine and if taken care of
> both will last a long time.
>
>
> > Follow-ups: are frames even available with uncut forks? What about the
> > Atlantis and AHH?
>
>
> "Uncut forks" is a threadless thing.  You typically don't cut threaded
> forks.
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:13 -0800, dally wrote:
> My copy arrived on the 19th, too bad as I would sure have qualified
> for the 30% off, I'm sure Riv did all possible to get them out on
> time, things always don't work out.

I thought for sure I'd qualify too: retired, and hell, whose investments
didn't take a beating in the current financial mess?  Only, they
qualified the terms of the deal: retired, investments tanked and you're
still trying to live off them and have no other income, and have no
money to spend on bike parts.  OK, I don't qualify there, and thank
goodness.  If I did, even with such a great discount, I doubt I'd be
buying bike parts...




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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Thanks all for the input. I found a bike map online that indicates a
number of greenways and other bike trails, in addition to bike-able
city streets, etc. The NAHB show itself is good for about 4 hours of
entertainment for me, but the real reason I want to go is to ride my
bike (probably Atlantis) in an unfamiliar city. Indy isn't Portland,
but it doesn't look that bad.

Jim


On Dec 22, 1:31 pm, Sarah Gibson  wrote:
> never ridden bikes there myself
> but this was one listmember
> or was it ibob
> anyhoos
> this is what he had to say
>
> "damn, flying there so i won't have wheels. kind of a shame, as the town> > 
> empties at night with huge spread out roads- I was there for a> > conference 
> and yearning for a bike. It will be a blast for you all.> > the one thing a 
> bit troublesome with the town was the difficulty finding> > vegetarian, but i 
> am not terribly picky (outside of that constraint) and> > can eat quite 
> minimally."peace
>
> well behaved women rarely make history_ride yr friggin bicycle_
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[Invisible]

I know that threaded headsets are reliable, of course. But headsets
use bearings and as such will occasionally require service. I'd prefer
to have a part that I can disassemble (if necessary) on tour with just
a 5mm Allen wrench, instead of a couple of tools (32/35mm cone
wrenches) that have no other use on a bicycle. If nothing else, I can
save $30 by not having to buy the wrenches.

A lesser quibble is that a clamping stem (as in threadless-type stems)
seems like a better design than the expanding wedge bolt on a threaded-
type stem. And finally, I like stems where a cap pops off to release
the handlebars over Nitto's design that requires sliding half the
handlebar through the stem clamp. Changing handlebars is a lot faster/
easier without unwinding all that bar tape and taking off a brake
lever. But I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.

And I'd always thought that threaded steer tubes have to be cut to
length just like threadless ones do - in fact, I thought it was more
important to cut a threaded steerer to length. Otherwise how can a
fork fit different-sized bikes with different-sized headtubes?

-Wesley
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[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis

[Chris]

Jim,
I wish I could bring my Bleriot, but I fear the airline prices might
be a little high...
We should try and have a RBW List get together...

On Dec 22, 3:09 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> Thanks all for the input. I found a bike map online that indicates a
> number of greenways and other bike trails, in addition to bike-able
> city streets, etc. The NAHB show itself is good for about 4 hours of
> entertainment for me, but the real reason I want to go is to ride my
> bike (probably Atlantis) in an unfamiliar city. Indy isn't Portland,
> but it doesn't look that bad.
>
> Jim
>
> On Dec 22, 1:31 pm, Sarah Gibson  wrote:
>
> > never ridden bikes there myself
> > but this was one listmember
> > or was it ibob
> > anyhoos
> > this is what he had to say
>
> > "damn, flying there so i won't have wheels. kind of a shame, as the town> > 
> > empties at night with huge spread out roads- I was there for a> > 
> > conference and yearning for a bike. It will be a blast for you all.> > the 
> > one thing a bit troublesome with the town was the difficulty finding> > 
> > vegetarian, but i am not terribly picky (outside of that constraint) and> > 
> > can eat quite minimally."peace
>
> > well behaved women rarely make history_ride yr friggin bicycle_
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 16:06 -0800, Invisible wrote:
> I know that threaded headsets are reliable, of course. But headsets
> use bearings and as such will occasionally require service. I'd prefer
> to have a part that I can disassemble (if necessary) on tour with just
> a 5mm Allen wrench, instead of a couple of tools (32/35mm cone
> wrenches) that have no other use on a bicycle. If nothing else, I can
> save $30 by not having to buy the wrenches.
> 
> A lesser quibble is that a clamping stem (as in threadless-type stems)
> seems like a better design than the expanding wedge bolt on a threaded-
> type stem. And finally, I like stems where a cap pops off to release
> the handlebars over Nitto's design that requires sliding half the
> handlebar through the stem clamp. Changing handlebars is a lot faster/
> easier without unwinding all that bar tape and taking off a brake
> lever. But I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.
> 

For that, I think you'd best call them.  

As for the other, those may well be perfectly valid reasons to prefer a
threadless setup, if that's the way your taste runs.  It's certainly a
royal pain to have a threaded headset loosen on tour with no hope of
finding a proper tool to tighten it, as happened to a guy I was riding
with on tour in the Black Hills of SD this summer.  Of course, he
brought it on himself: loosened the headset at home, forgot to tighten
it, brought the tools with him to SD, fixing to do it before we set out,
and he didn't remember it until we were 30 miles down the road.


> And I'd always thought that threaded steer tubes have to be cut to
> length just like threadless ones do - in fact, I thought it was more
> important to cut a threaded steerer to length. Otherwise how can a
> fork fit different-sized bikes with different-sized headtubes?

I suppose somewhere in the manufacturing process steerer tubes have to
be cut to length, but I've never seen a new bike with a threaded headset
where it was an owner's responsibility to do that -- bikes come with
forks installed, and part of that is to see to it that the steerer is
the right length.  Of course, when you can adjust handlebar height by
simply moving the stem, the whole process becomes far less critical.


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[RBW] Re: AHH rear eyelets

[Forrest]

AHH (at least mine) has two eyelets per side at rear dropouts:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076...@n03/2841046143/

-- Forrest

On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Greenwayrider  wrote:
> Does anyone know why my AHH only has one rear dropout eyelet? Just
> curious.
> Thanks for any replies.

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[RBW] Re: AHH rear eyelets

[CycloFiend]

on 12/22/08 9:07 AM, Greenwayrider at sa240...@yahoo.com wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know why my AHH only has one rear dropout eyelet? Just
> curious.

Mine has one dropout eyelet.  1st run of the Toyo batch from 2007.

- J

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[JoelMatthews]

> A lesser quibble is that a clamping stem (as in threadless-type stems)
> seems like a better design than the expanding wedge bolt on a threaded-
> type stem.

Arguably threadless is somewhat stronger - though I have read
convincing arguments against this.  In any event, threaded is plenty
strong for road bikes and mountain bikes your are not taking air
borne.

>  And finally, I like stems where a cap pops off to release
> the handlebars over Nitto's design that requires sliding half the
> handlebar through the stem clamp.

I like that about threadless as well.  On the other hand, it is much
easier to adjust threaded stems up and down.

> lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.

Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork
custom.  It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of
getting a Hillborne.  You would probably be better off asking if there
is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during
the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from
Ben's Cycles or such outlet.

On Dec 22, 6:06 pm, Invisible  wrote:
> I know that threaded headsets are reliable, of course. But headsets
> use bearings and as such will occasionally require service. I'd prefer
> to have a part that I can disassemble (if necessary) on tour with just
> a 5mm Allen wrench, instead of a couple of tools (32/35mm cone
> wrenches) that have no other use on a bicycle. If nothing else, I can
> save $30 by not having to buy the wrenches
>
> A lesser quibble is that a clamping stem (as in threadless-type stems)
> seems like a better design than the expanding wedge bolt on a threaded-
> type stem. And finally, I like stems where a cap pops off to release
> the handlebars over Nitto's design that requires sliding half the
> handlebar through the stem clamp. Changing handlebars is a lot faster/
> easier without unwinding all that bar tape and taking off a brake
> lever. But I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.
>
> And I'd always thought that threaded steer tubes have to be cut to
> length just like threadless ones do - in fact, I thought it was more
> important to cut a threaded steerer to length. Otherwise how can a
> fork fit different-sized bikes with different-sized headtubes?
>
> -Wesley
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[CycloFiend]

on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:

>> lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
>> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
>> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.

with:
> Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork
> custom.  It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of
> getting a Hillborne.  You would probably be better off asking if there
> is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during
> the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from
> Ben's Cycles or such outlet.

Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the
same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be
just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in.  That way, you have the
dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for.

...and lemme tell you, I think GP is onto something here. Had a quick ride
on Sam and Betty today and was pretty impressed. I'll start a separate
thread later this pm.

I think it's unlikely to find an aftermarket steel fork that will have the
appropriate dimensions _and_ be 1" threadless.  And it would be missing the
braze-ons. 

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[CycloFiend]

on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

> 
> on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:
> 
>>> lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
>>> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
>>> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.
> 
> with:
>> Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork
>> custom.  It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of
>> getting a Hillborne.  You would probably be better off asking if there
>> is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during
>> the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from
>> Ben's Cycles or such outlet.
> 
> Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the
> same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be
> just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in.  That way, you have the
> dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for.

sorry - wasn't quite clear in this post.

I meant that if you knew that's what you wanted, it would make sense to try
to see if you could order it now, while the frames are being built.

If there's a possibility, it's best pursued now while orders are being put
together and finalized. I'd give 'em a call over at RBWHQ&L.

- J

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[Atlantean]

>From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New
uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the
tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube
replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but
not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx
I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of
the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an
80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great
stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found.

I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new
Riv, kind of like the custom color option. Nickel plated fillet brazed
or lugged stems would look really good on a Riv with a threadless
setup. But then lots of things would be cool.

On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:
>
> >>> lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
> >>> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
> >>> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.
>
> > with:
> >> Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork
> >> custom.  It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of
> >> getting a Hillborne.  You would probably be better off asking if there
> >> is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during
> >> the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from
> >> Ben's Cycles or such outlet.
>
> > Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the
> > same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be
> > just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in.  That way, you have the
> > dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for.
>
> sorry - wasn't quite clear in this post.
>
> I meant that if you knew that's what you wanted, it would make sense to try
> to see if you could order it now, while the frames are being built.
>
> If there's a possibility, it's best pursued now while orders are being put
> together and finalized. I'd give 'em a call over at RBWHQ&L.
>
> - J
>
> --
> Jim Edgar
> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
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> handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif:
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!

[David Estes]

Rivendell approved:
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/handlebars_stems_and_tape?page=all#product=16-148

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Atlantean <
softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description
> are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to
> switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New
> uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the
> tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube
> replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but
> not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx
> I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of
> the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an
> 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great
> stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found.
>
> I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new
> Riv, kind of like the custom color option. Nickel plated fillet brazed
> or lugged stems would look really good on a Riv with a threadless
> setup. But then lots of things would be cool.
>
> On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> > on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to:
> >
> > >>> lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to
> > >>> know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a
> > >>> 1" threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer.
> >
> > > with:
> > >> Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork
> > >> custom.  It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of
> > >> getting a Hillborne.  You would probably be better off asking if there
> > >> is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during
> > >> the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from
> > >> Ben's Cycles or such outlet.
> >
> > > Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at
> the
> > > same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it
> could be
> > > just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in.  That way, you have
> the
> > > dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for.
> >
> > sorry - wasn't quite clear in this post.
> >
> > I meant that if you knew that's what you wanted, it would make sense to
> try
> > to see if you could order it now, while the frames are being built.
> >
> > If there's a possibility, it's best pursued now while orders are being
> put
> > together and finalized. I'd give 'em a call over at RBWHQ&L.
> >
> > - J
> >
> > --
> > Jim Edgar
> > cyclofi...@earthlink.net
> >
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> > Current Classics - Cross Bikes
> > Singlespeed - Working Bikes
> >
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> >
> > "'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary
> > handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif:
> > not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles."
> > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"- Hide quoted text -
> >
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> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service

[rob markwardt]

The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times
and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had
been affected by the poor economy.  Too many ifs, ands, and ors...
(apostrophe or not?).

On Dec 22, 2:45 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:13 -0800, dally wrote:
> > My copy arrived on the 19th, too bad as I would sure have qualified
> > for the 30% off, I'm sure Riv did all possible to get them out on
> > time, things always don't work out.
>
> I thought for sure I'd qualify too: retired, and hell, whose investments
> didn't take a beating in the current financial mess?  Only, they
> qualified the terms of the deal: retired, investments tanked and you're
> still trying to live off them and have no other income, and have no
> money to spend on bike parts.  OK, I don't qualify there, and thank
> goodness.  If I did, even with such a great discount, I doubt I'd be
> buying bike parts...
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