[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[Jeremy Till]

56" for long rides for me.  I like comfortable climbing and the
challenge of developing my spin to go faster on the flats.  It's also
a gear that I can keep pedaling after 90-100 hilly miles.

On Jan 24, 5:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM, charlie  wrote:
>
> > I think the Quickbeam concept of a non derailleur or hub gearing
> > system is appealing to many, myself included. It is simple and solves
> > the problem of adequately handling varied terrain without too much
> > convenience. I like the ability of making it a four speed for that
> > occasional long steep climb up towards our local mountain or the
> > ability to add a slightly higher ratio for a ride such as Seattle to
> > Portland. When I get enough money together I would like a QB as my
> > poor mans version of it is not ideal.
> > The problem with just adding a three cog in the back is that you won't
> > get the wider range of ratios that you would using that 32 tooth up
> > front with perhaps a 22 tooth on the flip side or a fixed 14 tooth and
> > the 40 tooth for flat rides. the neat thing is the QB allows one to
> > set it up as they prefer for their type of terrain. If a guy has
> > Charles 'Atlast' legs and an ideal power to weight ratio he can often
> > get away with just one gear. An IG hub is nice but is still more
> > complicated and fragile at least in one respect. For riding off road
> > I'd rather have a freewheeling non derailleur setup. As a road
> > commuter bike it would make more sense to have an internal HG  if your
> > route was hilly. Most city commutes however are fairly flat so one
> > gear seems enough unless it starts or ends flat or with a long section
> > of climbing or high headwinds.  I just think the QB is kinda cool so I
> > want one.
> > My poor mans version exists atwww.cyclofiend.com
>
> Well put, except that your URL leads to an icon menu and not your particular
> bike.
>
> If I regularly rode more than 30 miles at a stretch, I'm sure I would, in my
> condition, be screaming for multiple gears. But still, if the QB allows an 8
> tooth gap in chainrings, it will allow an 8 tooth gap in cogs, and each
> tooth difference in your cogs will make much more of a ratio difference than
> a tooth dropped from or added to a chainring.
>
> This evening as I hauled a 15 lb load home from the grocery store on my 69"
> fixed Riv commuter, up a 2 mile incline against a 3/4 headwind (NW gusts to
> 21, I heading West then North), trying to approach 15 mph, the desirability
> of a lower gear option struck me with, you might say, a painful slap. But
> then I realized that all I had to do was pedal more slowly, so I backed off
> and let my speed slide down to a 10-13 mph slog that made things much
> easier. But of course, a 6 mile grocery run return leg is far from a loaded
> tour or even an all day hilly gravel run.
>
> Of which thinking: back in the Uniglide days, when lockrings were screw on
> small cogs, someone made a portable device for touring kits that allowed you
> to use the wheel and frame themselves as levers to remove the locking small
> cog. Would that not work for fixed cogs, too? Not that I'd care to use it
> for routine en-route gear changes, but I'm curious if it might work for
> roadside repairs for the fixed gear tourist.
>
> Another meandering thought: Mitch Harris of the Boblist and of much
> experience riding fixed gears said that old tourists in Britain routinely
> used 72-78 inch fixed gears for touring, which I suppose means, not carrying
> 40 lb across the Sahara but a loaded Nelson from hostel to hostel. Still,
> 78" seems pretty darn high for long distance riding, unless you are much
> younger than I am. What gears do y'all of longer distance fixed or ss riding
> (let's say 40 miles or more at a stretch) favor, and over what terrain?
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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[CycloFiend]

on 1/24/09 6:10 PM, Todd Olsen at todd_ol...@comcast.net wrote:

> I got the Jack Brown Greens, but when those wear out, I will probably
> get something a little thicker, Pasela, because i have gotten too many
> flats (6-7 in only 350 miles).

I know better than to reply to this directly, but I have thisfriend...
who got JB Greens on his Hilsen in September of 2007, has run them on all
sorts of conditions and now runs them on his Quickbeam.  He cannot recall
having those flats.

As always, YMMV with flats.  But, I would recommend checking your tubes.  If
you have tubes from smaller size (23 - 28 mm's), I've found those to be a
bit more susceptible to flats (especially pinch-type) than a larger tube.
That does seem like a lot of flats in a short distance - rim tape ok? no
burrs at the valve hole?

> 
> Also, if you think you might ride off road a bit, consider 172.5 or
> 170 crank rather than 175.  I bang my pedals into rocks and the side
> of the trail quite a bit, and perhaps a little shorter crank will be a
> little safer.  or maybe i should just pay attention a little better.

I thought the stock Sugino cranks were 170's.  That's what came on mine. I'm
now running 172.5's in C. Xavier Hilsen mode.  I bang them less often than
will my earlier Lemond cross frame.   It does take a ride or two to
recalibrate foot position.

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates

[Bill M.]

Plain gauge steel tubes, AFAIK.

Great promo photography on their Flicks site, though.  Particuarly the
tall blonde astride a Handsome bike with a six pack of Stella Artois
on the front rack...

On Jan 24, 12:41 pm, Kelly  wrote:
> By the way I've heard rumblings of a company named Handsome Cycles
> that's coming out with a XO-1 ish bike.  The frameset is supposed to
> sell for $379.  Its steel with a TIG welded frame and a lugged fork.
> I don't know too much about the company because it's new and I'm not
> sure how much of a go-fast bike it would be, but it's out there.
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[RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv Bike?

[Bill M.]

If you lace up the skirts of an aging Brooks sadde to get a few more
years out of it, is it still a Brooks?

Sure it is.  Woodworkers know that every tool can be (or even must be)
tuned to work optimally for its user.

Bill

On Jan 23, 6:51 am, Larry Powers  wrote:
> I randonneur on a Rambouillet with a large Berthoud handlebar bag.  Most of 
> the time there are no issues with this but when I am tired and climbing steep 
> hills I can notice the affect of the bag.  For this reason and because I 
> would also be able to run bigger tires with fenders, I have toyed with 
> getting a new fork for the bike.  If I did would this still be a Riv 
> Rambouillet?  Riv/Grant intentionally build high trail bikes so modifying one 
> of their bikes to a low trail bike goes against their philosophy and In my 
> mind creates a bike that is no longer a Rivendell.
>
> This is merely a philisophical question I am pondering while at work.  Many 
> people love to tinker and there is nothing wrong with that.  When my 
> beautiful orange Rambouillet finally needs a paint job I may decide to modify 
> it by changing the fork and adding canti studs but when I do I am not sure 
> that I can say it is a Rivendell.Larry Powers
>
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[RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv Bike?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

This is like the philosophical question that led to me abandoning
bicycle discussion boards for a couple years starting around 2004. The
OP of that particular discussion asked if his acquisition of an
Atlantis or Rambouillet justified his referring to himself as a
"Rivendell Owner". Some owners of custom Rivendells decided that the
word "Rivendell" had too much cachet for owners of lowly and
compromised Atlantises and Rambouillets. By that standard, your
Rambouillet doesn't qualify as a Rivendell even in its pristine state.
So you have nothing to lose, cachet-wise, by re-raking the fork.

On Jan 23, 8:51 am, Larry Powers  wrote:
> I randonneur on a Rambouillet with a large Berthoud handlebar bag.  Most of 
> the time there are no issues with this but when I am tired and climbing steep 
> hills I can notice the affect of the bag.  For this reason and because I 
> would also be able to run bigger tires with fenders, I have toyed with 
> getting a new fork for the bike.  If I did would this still be a Riv 
> Rambouillet?  Riv/Grant intentionally build high trail bikes so modifying one 
> of their bikes to a low trail bike goes against their philosophy and In my 
> mind creates a bike that is no longer a Rivendell.
>
> This is merely a philisophical question I am pondering while at work.  Many 
> people love to tinker and there is nothing wrong with that.  When my 
> beautiful orange Rambouillet finally needs a paint job I may decide to modify 
> it by changing the fork and adding canti studs but when I do I am not sure 
> that I can say it is a Rivendell.Larry Powers
>
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> double back flip" - John Hiatt
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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[Doug Peterson]

[dougpnirv] Patrick wrote:


Of which thinking: back in the Uniglide days, when lockrings were screw on
small cogs, someone made a portable device for touring kits that allowed you
to use the wheel and frame themselves as levers to remove the locking small
cog. 

[dougpnirv] 

 

Patrick:

 

The device you recall is called the Cassette Cracker, and they also made one
for HG called the Hyper Cracker, on the same principle.  Never go on tour
without one; it's my good luck totem against broken drive side spokes.

 

dougP

 







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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[charlie]

Hi Patrick,

It is in the 'single speed garage' section and is bike #91.  You'll
have to click on the most updated version. It is also featured on the
left column of the page about the second one down or so. I think I
have this right. Let me know what you think. I am planning on
converting another lugged steel frame made for these parts until I can
afford a QB.

On Jan 24, 5:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM, charlie  wrote:
>
> >> My poor mans version exists atwww.cyclofiend.com
>
> > Well put, except that your URL leads to an icon menu and not your
> > particular bike.
>
> That sounds much more uncivil than I meant it to be. Sorry. I simply wanted
> to see your bike and meant only to ask for a more precise URL. Can you point
> me to your particular photos?
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[RBW] cable splitters/bar quick change question

[Seth Vidal]

Hi,
 I bought an atlantis frame/fork today. I'm now working on getting all
the parts together to bring it whole. I've found that I enjoy riding
with both albatross bars and drops.  Just for different types of
riding. I would like to be able to swap between the two without an
enormous amount of work.

So I was looking around at various places about s&s coupled bikes and
I found these:
http://www.sandsmachine.com/ac_cable.htm

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these and
thought they'd be worth a try?

I'm willing to have two stems, different levers and shifters, if it
means being able to unhook the cables, unhook the front brake
straddle, unbolt the stem and swap to the other bars and be ready to
go.

Has anyone done this? Will I run into other problems?

Thanks,
-sv

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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[R Gonet]

Sorry to hear you've had such bad luck with the JB Greens.  I've had
the Blues on my AHH and have had many flat-free miles.  I opted for
the Blue ones out of an abundance of caution - well placed,
apparently.  Most of my riding is chipseal.

On Jan 24, 9:10 pm, Todd Olsen  wrote:
> yes, I like the bike alot.  Works well on road and on fireroads.
>
> Unless you know for sure you want to ride with the handlebars lower
> than the saddle, recommend you go with the sizing recommendation of
> the Rivendell people.
>
> I got the Jack Brown Greens, but when those wear out, I will probably
> get something a little thicker, Pasela, because i have gotten too many
> flats (6-7 in only 350 miles).
>
> Also, if you think you might ride off road a bit, consider 172.5 or
> 170 crank rather than 175.  I bang my pedals into rocks and the side
> of the trail quite a bit, and perhaps a little shorter crank will be a
> little safer.  or maybe i should just pay attention a little better.
>
> If you ever come to SF Bay area, recommend you visit Rivendell.  They
> are very helpful and will encourage you to try the bicyles.  They feel
> as nice as they look.  I am sure I could get from here to there on
> many bicycles, but the two tone paint job, fancy lug work, and double
> tapered seat stays make for a great looking frame.
>
> Todd
>
> On Jan 24, 7:48 am, mushmash  wrote:
>
> > Hi Todd,
>
> > Just a made-up, fictitious character, is what I understand. But a good
> > name, none the less.
>
> > Is the bike just as good? I've been considering going for one for a
> > while now. I need a new bike every 30 years, and this one seems to fit
> > my tastes.
>
> > Paul Despres
> > Austin, TX
>
> > On Jan 24, 8:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
>
> > > I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
> > > quotation:
>
> > > Though travel wide and far do I
> > > O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
> > > Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
> > > I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
> > > For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
>
> > > (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen"     and the other 12 or so verses
> > > on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
>
> > > But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
>
> > > I read some of the verses here:
>
> > >http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
>
> > > and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> > > Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
>
> > > So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> > > the bicyle.
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Todd Olsen, AHH
> > > Fremont CA- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[David Estes]

All this conversation has inspired me to... go for a
ride!;-)

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:36 PM, charlie  wrote:

>
> I think the Quickbeam concept of a non derailleur or hub gearing
> system is appealing to many, myself included. It is simple and solves
> the problem of adequately handling varied terrain without too much
> convenience. I like the ability of making it a four speed for that
> occasional long steep climb up towards our local mountain or the
> ability to add a slightly higher ratio for a ride such as Seattle to
> Portland. When I get enough money together I would like a QB as my
> poor mans version of it is not ideal.
> The problem with just adding a three cog in the back is that you won't
> get the wider range of ratios that you would using that 32 tooth up
> front with perhaps a 22 tooth on the flip side or a fixed 14 tooth and
> the 40 tooth for flat rides. the neat thing is the QB allows one to
> set it up as they prefer for their type of terrain. If a guy has
> Charles 'Atlast' legs and an ideal power to weight ratio he can often
> get away with just one gear. An IG hub is nice but is still more
> complicated and fragile at least in one respect. For riding off road
> I'd rather have a freewheeling non derailleur setup. As a road
> commuter bike it would make more sense to have an internal HG  if your
> route was hilly. Most city commutes however are fairly flat so one
> gear seems enough unless it starts or ends flat or with a long section
> of climbing or high headwinds.  I just think the QB is kinda cool so I
> want one.
> My poor mans version exists at www.cyclofiend.com
>
>
> On Jan 24, 8:24 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM, CycloFiend  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > on 1/22/09 1:58 PM, Dustin Sharp at dsh...@runbox.com wrote:
> >
> > > > I've always wanted on of these.  Kinda hard to justify one now that I
> am
> > > in
> > > > hilly San Diego.  I needs me gears!
> >
> > > Now, now... The Quickbeam has gears.
> >
> > > It just makes you really consider how badly you want to change between
> > > them.
> >
> > > And that's not an altogether _bad_ thing...
> >
> > > - Jim "If I _had_ to name a favorite, which I don't, it just might very
> > > well
> > > be the QB..."
> >
> > > PS - My favorite QB quote, from JimG's "Chameleon Bikes" series -
> > > "At first you think it's a single-speed, but it's got extra gears
> > > accessible
> > > via "Rivendell shifting": There's dual freewheels out back and two
> 'rings
> > > on
> > > the crank, so with a bit of flip-floppin', axle-slidin', and a greasy
> > > finger
> > > or two, you'll have access to a dizzying range of four gears."
> >
> > >http://sfcyclotouring.blogspot.com/search/label/chameleon%20cycles
> >
> > See, that's what I don't get about the stock QB drivetrain. If you are
> going
> > to bung the thing up with two cogs and two rings, why not just install an
> AW
> > or other IG hub, or else leave just one ring and install a rd with 3 cogs
> on
> > a cassette? Or do a Davis Phinney and have the 3 cogs but leave out the
> rd.
> >
> > If I ever buy QB, it will have One Ring and One Fixed Cog and One FW Cog.
> > Amen.
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[Todd Olsen]

yes, I like the bike alot.  Works well on road and on fireroads.

Unless you know for sure you want to ride with the handlebars lower
than the saddle, recommend you go with the sizing recommendation of
the Rivendell people.

I got the Jack Brown Greens, but when those wear out, I will probably
get something a little thicker, Pasela, because i have gotten too many
flats (6-7 in only 350 miles).

Also, if you think you might ride off road a bit, consider 172.5 or
170 crank rather than 175.  I bang my pedals into rocks and the side
of the trail quite a bit, and perhaps a little shorter crank will be a
little safer.  or maybe i should just pay attention a little better.

If you ever come to SF Bay area, recommend you visit Rivendell.  They
are very helpful and will encourage you to try the bicyles.  They feel
as nice as they look.  I am sure I could get from here to there on
many bicycles, but the two tone paint job, fancy lug work, and double
tapered seat stays make for a great looking frame.

Todd

On Jan 24, 7:48 am, mushmash  wrote:
> Hi Todd,
>
> Just a made-up, fictitious character, is what I understand. But a good
> name, none the less.
>
> Is the bike just as good? I've been considering going for one for a
> while now. I need a new bike every 30 years, and this one seems to fit
> my tastes.
>
> Paul Despres
> Austin, TX
>
> On Jan 24, 8:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
> > quotation:
>
> > Though travel wide and far do I
> > O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
> > Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
> > I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
> > For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
>
> > (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen"     and the other 12 or so verses
> > on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
>
> > But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
>
> > I read some of the verses here:
>
> >http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
>
> > and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> > Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
>
> > So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> > the bicyle.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Olsen, AHH
> > Fremont CA- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[R Gonet]

Doggy it is!

Richard "carpe manana" Gonet

On Jan 24, 7:41 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Sorry. My Latin was never very sophisticated (I could piece out the bible,
> Aquinas was easy, but I never could read Cicero. And what I had is now very
> rusty.
>
> It does sound like dog latin, as they call it, like the (probably
> apocryphal) apothegm attribued to Patton: Ilegitimis non carborundum: don't
> let the bastards wear you down.
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM, R Gonet wrote:
>
>
>
> > Patrick:
>
> > You let the cat out of the bag before anyone else got a chance to
> > play, though judging from the lack of response there aren't too many
> > Latin scholars out there.  Or maybe they have something better to do.
> > Anyway, GP says the translation is explained thusly:  "You can ride
> > anywhere you want to on this country (agrestis) bike (bi (two) rota
> > (wheel)."  I'll grant Grant the invention of "birota", but I don't
> > know if the rest is correct or pigeon Latin.  I studied the dead
> > language 40 years ago.
>
> > On Jan 24, 5:21 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM, R Gonet  > >wrote:
>
> > > > Mushmash, I think the bike is great.  As the inscription on the
> > > > headbadge says:  "LUDERE QUO VELIS BIROTA PERMITTIT AGRESTIS."
>
> > > > How many of you Rivendellians out there can tell what that means?  No
> > > > fair asking Grant.  I'll give you translation later.
>
> > > "You can ride anywhere you like on this country bike." But I cheated, and
> > > let Google find the translation.
>
> > > However, to my very rusty and medieval to boot latin ear, it sounds a
> > little
> > > "doggy".
>
> > > Audis an me ludis amabilis insania?
>
> > > Patrick "are you listening or am I crazy?" Moore
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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[MichaelH]

You're on the wrong track.  I've heard this guy runs a way cool bike
shop in Texas, but I can't say for sure I've never been there.

In any case this thread is about recovery work(rest?) for old folks.
Michael

On Jan 24, 2:55 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> Naw, maybe 3 Musketeers or 4 Horsemen...
>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:30 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Endurance
>
> Wasn't he one of the Knights of the Roundtable?
>
> On Jan 24, 2:22 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> > Mike:
>
> > Google may have references to Lance Armstrong.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 AM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Endurance
>
> > Who is Lance Armstrong? Does he work at Rivendell or something?
>
> > On Jan 23, 4:46 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> > > This is in response to Lance Armstrong, right?  :-)
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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM, charlie  wrote:
>
>>
>> My poor mans version exists at www.cyclofiend.com
>
>
> Well put, except that your URL leads to an icon menu and not your
> particular bike.
>

That sounds much more uncivil than I meant it to be. Sorry. I simply wanted
to see your bike and meant only to ask for a more precise URL. Can you point
me to your particular photos?

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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:36 PM, charlie  wrote:

>
> I think the Quickbeam concept of a non derailleur or hub gearing
> system is appealing to many, myself included. It is simple and solves
> the problem of adequately handling varied terrain without too much
> convenience. I like the ability of making it a four speed for that
> occasional long steep climb up towards our local mountain or the
> ability to add a slightly higher ratio for a ride such as Seattle to
> Portland. When I get enough money together I would like a QB as my
> poor mans version of it is not ideal.
> The problem with just adding a three cog in the back is that you won't
> get the wider range of ratios that you would using that 32 tooth up
> front with perhaps a 22 tooth on the flip side or a fixed 14 tooth and
> the 40 tooth for flat rides. the neat thing is the QB allows one to
> set it up as they prefer for their type of terrain. If a guy has
> Charles 'Atlast' legs and an ideal power to weight ratio he can often
> get away with just one gear. An IG hub is nice but is still more
> complicated and fragile at least in one respect. For riding off road
> I'd rather have a freewheeling non derailleur setup. As a road
> commuter bike it would make more sense to have an internal HG  if your
> route was hilly. Most city commutes however are fairly flat so one
> gear seems enough unless it starts or ends flat or with a long section
> of climbing or high headwinds.  I just think the QB is kinda cool so I
> want one.
> My poor mans version exists at www.cyclofiend.com


Well put, except that your URL leads to an icon menu and not your particular
bike.

If I regularly rode more than 30 miles at a stretch, I'm sure I would, in my
condition, be screaming for multiple gears. But still, if the QB allows an 8
tooth gap in chainrings, it will allow an 8 tooth gap in cogs, and each
tooth difference in your cogs will make much more of a ratio difference than
a tooth dropped from or added to a chainring.

This evening as I hauled a 15 lb load home from the grocery store on my 69"
fixed Riv commuter, up a 2 mile incline against a 3/4 headwind (NW gusts to
21, I heading West then North), trying to approach 15 mph, the desirability
of a lower gear option struck me with, you might say, a painful slap. But
then I realized that all I had to do was pedal more slowly, so I backed off
and let my speed slide down to a 10-13 mph slog that made things much
easier. But of course, a 6 mile grocery run return leg is far from a loaded
tour or even an all day hilly gravel run.

Of which thinking: back in the Uniglide days, when lockrings were screw on
small cogs, someone made a portable device for touring kits that allowed you
to use the wheel and frame themselves as levers to remove the locking small
cog. Would that not work for fixed cogs, too? Not that I'd care to use it
for routine en-route gear changes, but I'm curious if it might work for
roadside repairs for the fixed gear tourist.

Another meandering thought: Mitch Harris of the Boblist and of much
experience riding fixed gears said that old tourists in Britain routinely
used 72-78 inch fixed gears for touring, which I suppose means, not carrying
40 lb across the Sahara but a loaded Nelson from hostel to hostel. Still,
78" seems pretty darn high for long distance riding, unless you are much
younger than I am. What gears do y'all of longer distance fixed or ss riding
(let's say 40 miles or more at a stretch) favor, and over what terrain?

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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Sorry. My Latin was never very sophisticated (I could piece out the bible,
Aquinas was easy, but I never could read Cicero. And what I had is now very
rusty.

It does sound like dog latin, as they call it, like the (probably
apocryphal) apothegm attribued to Patton: Ilegitimis non carborundum: don't
let the bastards wear you down.

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:20 PM, R Gonet wrote:

>
> Patrick:
>
> You let the cat out of the bag before anyone else got a chance to
> play, though judging from the lack of response there aren't too many
> Latin scholars out there.  Or maybe they have something better to do.
> Anyway, GP says the translation is explained thusly:  "You can ride
> anywhere you want to on this country (agrestis) bike (bi (two) rota
> (wheel)."  I'll grant Grant the invention of "birota", but I don't
> know if the rest is correct or pigeon Latin.  I studied the dead
> language 40 years ago.
>
>
> On Jan 24, 5:21 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM, R Gonet  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Mushmash, I think the bike is great.  As the inscription on the
> > > headbadge says:  "LUDERE QUO VELIS BIROTA PERMITTIT AGRESTIS."
> >
> > > How many of you Rivendellians out there can tell what that means?  No
> > > fair asking Grant.  I'll give you translation later.
> >
> > "You can ride anywhere you like on this country bike." But I cheated, and
> > let Google find the translation.
> >
> > However, to my very rusty and medieval to boot latin ear, it sounds a
> little
> > "doggy".
> >
> > Audis an me ludis amabilis insania?
> >
> > Patrick "are you listening or am I crazy?" Moore
> >
>

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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[charlie]

I think the Quickbeam concept of a non derailleur or hub gearing
system is appealing to many, myself included. It is simple and solves
the problem of adequately handling varied terrain without too much
convenience. I like the ability of making it a four speed for that
occasional long steep climb up towards our local mountain or the
ability to add a slightly higher ratio for a ride such as Seattle to
Portland. When I get enough money together I would like a QB as my
poor mans version of it is not ideal.
The problem with just adding a three cog in the back is that you won't
get the wider range of ratios that you would using that 32 tooth up
front with perhaps a 22 tooth on the flip side or a fixed 14 tooth and
the 40 tooth for flat rides. the neat thing is the QB allows one to
set it up as they prefer for their type of terrain. If a guy has
Charles 'Atlast' legs and an ideal power to weight ratio he can often
get away with just one gear. An IG hub is nice but is still more
complicated and fragile at least in one respect. For riding off road
I'd rather have a freewheeling non derailleur setup. As a road
commuter bike it would make more sense to have an internal HG  if your
route was hilly. Most city commutes however are fairly flat so one
gear seems enough unless it starts or ends flat or with a long section
of climbing or high headwinds.  I just think the QB is kinda cool so I
want one.
My poor mans version exists at www.cyclofiend.com


On Jan 24, 8:24 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM, CycloFiend wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 1/22/09 1:58 PM, Dustin Sharp at dsh...@runbox.com wrote:
>
> > > I've always wanted on of these.  Kinda hard to justify one now that I am
> > in
> > > hilly San Diego.  I needs me gears!
>
> > Now, now... The Quickbeam has gears.
>
> > It just makes you really consider how badly you want to change between
> > them.
>
> > And that's not an altogether _bad_ thing...
>
> > - Jim "If I _had_ to name a favorite, which I don't, it just might very
> > well
> > be the QB..."
>
> > PS - My favorite QB quote, from JimG's "Chameleon Bikes" series -
> > "At first you think it's a single-speed, but it's got extra gears
> > accessible
> > via "Rivendell shifting": There's dual freewheels out back and two 'rings
> > on
> > the crank, so with a bit of flip-floppin', axle-slidin', and a greasy
> > finger
> > or two, you'll have access to a dizzying range of four gears."
>
> >http://sfcyclotouring.blogspot.com/search/label/chameleon%20cycles
>
> See, that's what I don't get about the stock QB drivetrain. If you are going
> to bung the thing up with two cogs and two rings, why not just install an AW
> or other IG hub, or else leave just one ring and install a rd with 3 cogs on
> a cassette? Or do a Davis Phinney and have the 3 cogs but leave out the rd.
>
> If I ever buy QB, it will have One Ring and One Fixed Cog and One FW Cog.
> Amen.
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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[R Gonet]

Patrick:

You let the cat out of the bag before anyone else got a chance to
play, though judging from the lack of response there aren't too many
Latin scholars out there.  Or maybe they have something better to do.
Anyway, GP says the translation is explained thusly:  "You can ride
anywhere you want to on this country (agrestis) bike (bi (two) rota
(wheel)."  I'll grant Grant the invention of "birota", but I don't
know if the rest is correct or pigeon Latin.  I studied the dead
language 40 years ago.


On Jan 24, 5:21 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM, R Gonet wrote:
>
>
>
> > Mushmash, I think the bike is great.  As the inscription on the
> > headbadge says:  "LUDERE QUO VELIS BIROTA PERMITTIT AGRESTIS."
>
> > How many of you Rivendellians out there can tell what that means?  No
> > fair asking Grant.  I'll give you translation later.
>
> "You can ride anywhere you like on this country bike." But I cheated, and
> let Google find the translation.
>
> However, to my very rusty and medieval to boot latin ear, it sounds a little
> "doggy".
>
> Audis an me ludis amabilis insania?
>
> Patrick "are you listening or am I crazy?" Moore
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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM, R Gonet wrote:

>
> Mushmash, I think the bike is great.  As the inscription on the
> headbadge says:  "LUDERE QUO VELIS BIROTA PERMITTIT AGRESTIS."
>
> How many of you Rivendellians out there can tell what that means?  No
> fair asking Grant.  I'll give you translation later.


"You can ride anywhere you like on this country bike." But I cheated, and
let Google find the translation.

However, to my very rusty and medieval to boot latin ear, it sounds a little
"doggy".

Audis an me ludis amabilis insania?

Patrick "are you listening or am I crazy?" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates

[Kelly]

By the way I've heard rumblings of a company named Handsome Cycles
that's coming out with a XO-1 ish bike.  The frameset is supposed to
sell for $379.  Its steel with a TIG welded frame and a lugged fork.
I don't know too much about the company because it's new and I'm not
sure how much of a go-fast bike it would be, but it's out there.
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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[David Estes]

I thought it was an anagram for "Lance rides lugs"???

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:52 AM, frank_a  wrote:

>
> 'tis just a name, lad.
>
> On Jan 24, 9:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
> > I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
> > quotation:
> >
> > Though travel wide and far do I
> > O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
> > Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
> > I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
> > For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
> >
> > (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the other 12 or so verses
> > on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
> >
> > But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
> >
> > I read some of the verses here:
> >
> > http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
> >
> > and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> > Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
> >
> > So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> > the bicyle.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Olsen, AHH
> > Fremont CA
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[Doug Peterson]

Naw, maybe 3 Musketeers or 4 Horsemen...

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Endurance


Wasn't he one of the Knights of the Roundtable?

On Jan 24, 2:22 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> Mike:
>
> Google may have references to Lance Armstrong.
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Endurance
>
> Who is Lance Armstrong? Does he work at Rivendell or something?
>
> On Jan 23, 4:46 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> > This is in response to Lance Armstrong, right?  :-)




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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[Esteban]

One of the characters in Ivanhoe.

On Jan 24, 11:29 am, R Gonet  wrote:
> Wasn't he one of the Knights of the Roundtable?
>
> On Jan 24, 2:22 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
>
> > Mike:
>
> > Google may have references to Lance Armstrong.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 AM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Endurance
>
> > Who is Lance Armstrong? Does he work at Rivendell or something?
>
> > On Jan 23, 4:46 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> > > This is in response to Lance Armstrong, right?  :-)
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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[Forrest]

I don't think there's a better sport-touring style bike than the AHH
out there anywhere. A delightful ride -- smooth, stable, nimble,
lithe, and yet well up for a little rough stuff. Oh, and beautiful as
well.  -- Forrest (Iowa City)

On Jan 24, 9:48 am, mushmash  wrote:
> Hi Todd,
>
> Just a made-up, fictitious character, is what I understand. But a good
> name, none the less.
>
> Is the bike just as good? I've been considering going for one for a
> while now. I need a new bike every 30 years, and this one seems to fit
> my tastes.
>
> Paul Despres
> Austin, TX
>
> On Jan 24, 8:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
>
> > I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
> > quotation:
>
> > Though travel wide and far do I
> > O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
> > Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
> > I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
> > For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
>
> > (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen"     and the other 12 or so verses
> > on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
>
> > But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
>
> > I read some of the verses here:
>
> >http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
>
> > and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> > Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
>
> > So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> > the bicyle.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Olsen, AHH
> > Fremont CA
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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[R Gonet]

Wasn't he one of the Knights of the Roundtable?

On Jan 24, 2:22 pm, "Doug Peterson"  wrote:
> Mike:
>
> Google may have references to Lance Armstrong.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:19 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Endurance
>
> Who is Lance Armstrong? Does he work at Rivendell or something?
>
> On Jan 23, 4:46 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> > This is in response to Lance Armstrong, right?  :-)
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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[CycloFiend]

on 1/24/09 11:22 AM, R Gonet at richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote:

> 
> Mushmash, I think the bike is great.  As the inscription on the
> headbadge says:  "LUDERE QUO VELIS BIROTA PERMITTIT AGRESTIS."
> 
> How many of you Rivendellians out there can tell what that means?  No
> fair asking Grant.  I'll give you translation later.

Ha! 

One here.  But only because Graham S. was kind enough to correct my blog
post.

- J

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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[CycloFiend]

on 1/24/09 7:48 AM, mushmash at mushm...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is the bike just as good? I've been considering going for one for a
> while now. I need a new bike every 30 years, and this one seems to fit
> my tastes.

Yes. 

I don't think I've pulled together all comments on the Hilsen into one
place, but to see other folks who enjoy theirs, start here -
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen

and search the archives a bit on the list -
http://tinyurl.com/alel9d

I've found it to have the essential RBW-ride properties courtesy of GP.
It's ridiculously versatile and I find myself wondering why I need any other
geared bike (ok..maybe, ultimately a Legolas because I _am_ that much of a
cross-geek). I've had mine since September, 2007 and it just continues to
prove itself worthy and competent.

- J

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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[Doug Peterson]

Mike:

Google may have references to Lance Armstrong.

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Who is Lance Armstrong? Does he work at Rivendell or something?

On Jan 23, 4:46 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> This is in response to Lance Armstrong, right?  :-)
>





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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[R Gonet]

Mushmash, I think the bike is great.  As the inscription on the
headbadge says:  "LUDERE QUO VELIS BIROTA PERMITTIT AGRESTIS."

How many of you Rivendellians out there can tell what that means?  No
fair asking Grant.  I'll give you translation later.

On Jan 24, 10:48 am, mushmash  wrote:
> Hi Todd,
>
> Just a made-up, fictitious character, is what I understand. But a good
> name, none the less.
>
> Is the bike just as good? I've been considering going for one for a
> while now. I need a new bike every 30 years, and this one seems to fit
> my tastes.
>
> Paul Despres
> Austin, TX
>
> On Jan 24, 8:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
>
> > I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
> > quotation:
>
> > Though travel wide and far do I
> > O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
> > Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
> > I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
> > For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
>
> > (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen"     and the other 12 or so verses
> > on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
>
> > But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
>
> > I read some of the verses here:
>
> >http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
>
> > and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> > Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
>
> > So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> > the bicyle.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Olsen, AHH
> > Fremont CA
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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

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on 1/24/09 8:24 AM, PATRICK MOORE at bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://sfcyclotouring.blogspot.com/search/label/chameleon%20cycles
>
> See, that's what I don't get about the stock QB drivetrain. If you are going
> to bung the thing up with two cogs and two rings, why not just install an AW
> or other IG hub, or else leave just one ring and install a rd with 3 cogs on a
> cassette? Or do a Davis Phinney and have the 3 cogs but leave out the rd.
> 
>  If I ever buy QB, it will have One Ring and One Fixed Cog and One FW Cog.
> Amen.

FWIW, my QB has a 14T fixed and a (stock) 18T FW.  For my riding, I'm rarely
in the 32/18 combo.  But, the times when I've wanted it (mostly longer rides
when some uphill began to bite), it came in very handy.

As much as I love the simplicity of a 1 ring/1 cog fixed gear system,
there's sort of no real reason to remove the small chainring.  And with the
long fork ends and parallel brake design, it makes it easy.

- Jim 

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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[CycloFiend]

on 1/24/09 6:54 AM, Todd Olsen at todd_ol...@comcast.net wrote:

> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
> 
> and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?

Early on in the A. Homer Hilsen announcement, there was a separate site (now
static/defunct) for just that bicycle. There was a request for poems, songs
and stories about the bicycle.  I'm pretty sure "A Life.." was GP authored,
but there were many others - (via Internet Wayback Machine)

http://tinyurl.com/cm42vh

> 
> So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> the bicyle.

Name derivation is described here (and I think some other places, but this
gives an idea of how they decided upon it.) -
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg44lg.jpg

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[James Warren]

YES

Best bike ever.

-James

On Jan 24, 2009, at 7:48 AM, mushmash wrote:

>
> Hi Todd,
>
> Just a made-up, fictitious character, is what I understand. But a good
> name, none the less.
>
> Is the bike just as good? I've been considering going for one for a
> while now. I need a new bike every 30 years, and this one seems to fit
> my tastes.
>
> Paul Despres
> Austin, TX
>
> On Jan 24, 8:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
>> I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
>> quotation:
>>
>> Though travel wide and far do I
>> O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
>> Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
>> I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
>> For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
>>
>> (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen"     and the other 12 or so verses
>> on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
>>
>> But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
>>
>> I read some of the verses here:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
>>
>> and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
>> Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
>>
>> So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
>> the bicyle.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Todd Olsen, AHH
>> Fremont CA
>
> >


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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[mushmash]

Hi Todd,

Just a made-up, fictitious character, is what I understand. But a good
name, none the less.

Is the bike just as good? I've been considering going for one for a
while now. I need a new bike every 30 years, and this one seems to fit
my tastes.

Paul Despres
Austin, TX

On Jan 24, 8:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
> I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
> quotation:
>
> Though travel wide and far do I
> O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
> Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
> I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
> For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
>
> (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen"     and the other 12 or so verses
> on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
>
> But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
>
> I read some of the verses here:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
>
> and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
>
> So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> the bicyle.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Olsen, AHH
> Fremont CA

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[RBW] Re: Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[frank_a]

'tis just a name, lad.

On Jan 24, 9:54 am, Todd Olsen  wrote:
> I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
> quotation:
>
> Though travel wide and far do I
> O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
> Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
> I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
> For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!
>
> (From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen"     and the other 12 or so verses
> on request to gr...@rivbike.come)
>
> But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?
>
> I read some of the verses here:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg
>
> and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
> Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?
>
> So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
> the bicyle.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd Olsen, AHH
> Fremont CA
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[RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv Bike?

[periwinklekog]

> Richard Schwinn would argue (from his web site) that Waterford's "design 
> philosophy" is a cycling "gestalt."  Whatever that means.

When we start talking about bicycle gestalt (!!??!) we're not really
talking about bicycles anymore, but about large metal extensions of
our ego. And while I'll admit to having parked more than one of my
newly-built-up bikes in front of the TV so I could sit and stare at it
while I ate dinner -- come on Rivvy fans, you've ALL done it! -- I've
never confused my bike with my psyche.

Grant Peterson designs really cool frames that, when built up, make
really, really beautiful bikes to ride and enjoy. And that's what I'm
gonna do later this afternoon.
Cheers--Beth
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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[David Estes]

Just trying to help... :-)

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:19 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Tempt me not!!!
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:21 AM, David Estes wrote:
>
>> There's a 58cm on ebay right now, frame and fork...
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:42 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, John at Rivendell wrote:
>>>

 Shameless promotional plug from number-crunching GM:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/104
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd love to have a QB as a replacement for the Motobecane (which is
>>> itself a very nice bike, don't mistake my meaning), and $1600 for a complete
>>> bike is an excellent price for a Riv. But money -- that is, its lack --
>>> won't let me buy one so, unless there is a huge deficit in demand for 58s,
>>> I'm out of luck. But it is good to know that Grant is leaving open the door
>>> for a replacement single speed in the future.
>>>
>>> BTW: I know the QB is designed for cantis. Can you use, instead,
>>> appropriately long reach sidepulls or center pulls? I don't like cantis or V
>>> brakes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>> Redlands, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[David Estes]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:24 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM, CycloFiend wrote:
>
>>
>> on 1/22/09 1:58 PM, Dustin Sharp at dsh...@runbox.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I've always wanted on of these.  Kinda hard to justify one now that I am
>> in
>> > hilly San Diego.  I needs me gears!
>>
>> Now, now... The Quickbeam has gears.
>>
>> It just makes you really consider how badly you want to change between
>> them.
>>
>> And that's not an altogether _bad_ thing...
>>
>> - Jim "If I _had_ to name a favorite, which I don't, it just might very
>> well
>> be the QB..."
>>
>> PS - My favorite QB quote, from JimG's "Chameleon Bikes" series -
>> "At first you think it's a single-speed, but it's got extra gears
>> accessible
>> via "Rivendell shifting": There's dual freewheels out back and two 'rings
>> on
>> the crank, so with a bit of flip-floppin', axle-slidin', and a greasy
>> finger
>> or two, you'll have access to a dizzying range of four gears."
>>
>> http://sfcyclotouring.blogspot.com/search/label/chameleon%20cycles
>
>
> See, that's what I don't get about the stock QB drivetrain. If you are
> going to bung the thing up with two cogs and two rings, why not just install
> an AW or other IG hub, or else leave just one ring and install a rd with 3
> cogs on a cassette? Or do a Davis Phinney and have the 3 cogs but leave out
> the rd.
>
> If I ever buy QB, it will have One Ring and One Fixed Cog and One FW Cog.
> Amen.
>
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I think my QB stays in the 40X18 combo 98% of the time, so having a bailout
ring up front is all you need.  It's just there to make me feel better.

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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM, CycloFiend wrote:

>
> on 1/22/09 1:58 PM, Dustin Sharp at dsh...@runbox.com wrote:
>
> >
> > I've always wanted on of these.  Kinda hard to justify one now that I am
> in
> > hilly San Diego.  I needs me gears!
>
> Now, now... The Quickbeam has gears.
>
> It just makes you really consider how badly you want to change between
> them.
>
> And that's not an altogether _bad_ thing...
>
> - Jim "If I _had_ to name a favorite, which I don't, it just might very
> well
> be the QB..."
>
> PS - My favorite QB quote, from JimG's "Chameleon Bikes" series -
> "At first you think it's a single-speed, but it's got extra gears
> accessible
> via "Rivendell shifting": There's dual freewheels out back and two 'rings
> on
> the crank, so with a bit of flip-floppin', axle-slidin', and a greasy
> finger
> or two, you'll have access to a dizzying range of four gears."
>
> http://sfcyclotouring.blogspot.com/search/label/chameleon%20cycles


See, that's what I don't get about the stock QB drivetrain. If you are going
to bung the thing up with two cogs and two rings, why not just install an AW
or other IG hub, or else leave just one ring and install a rd with 3 cogs on
a cassette? Or do a Davis Phinney and have the 3 cogs but leave out the rd.

If I ever buy QB, it will have One Ring and One Fixed Cog and One FW Cog.
Amen.

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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[PATRICK MOORE]

Tempt me not!!!

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:21 AM, David Estes  wrote:

> There's a 58cm on ebay right now, frame and fork...
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:42 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, John at Rivendell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Shameless promotional plug from number-crunching GM:
>>>
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/104
>>
>>
>> I'd love to have a QB as a replacement for the Motobecane (which is itself
>> a very nice bike, don't mistake my meaning), and $1600 for a complete bike
>> is an excellent price for a Riv. But money -- that is, its lack -- won't let
>> me buy one so, unless there is a huge deficit in demand for 58s, I'm out of
>> luck. But it is good to know that Grant is leaving open the door for a
>> replacement single speed in the future.
>>
>> BTW: I know the QB is designed for cantis. Can you use, instead,
>> appropriately long reach sidepulls or center pulls? I don't like cantis or V
>> brakes.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
>
> >
>

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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[Dustin Sharp]

Doh!  Didn't see this update to original blog entry. Guess the pressure is
on to figure out whether I want one.  Timing is bad though.

Re the internal gear hub, the only one I'd consider running is the new
3-speed fixed gear hub that SA is coming out with (the S3X):

http://sunrace-sturmeyarcher.blogspot.com/

Otherwise, since I already have bike with a Rohloff, I think I'm pretty well
covered in the internal gear hub dept!

Dustin


On 1/23/09 9:49 PM, "R Gonet"  wrote:

> 
> Dustin:
> 
> Here's what Grant says at the Riv website:
> 
> "The continuing enfeebling of the US dollar against the Yen has led us
> to declare with no uncertainty that this will be the last of the
> Quickbeams.
> 
> THere are 70 of them. Divided by eight sizes, that's six to ten per
> size, with the sixes at the ends of the range. We've presold about 25
> of them, and that doesn't include at least four that employees here
> are buying, and one each that we're reserving for crash-damage
> replacement stock.
> 
> It won't be the last time you see this kind of bike/frame from us, but
> it will be the last of the Quickerbeamers, and we won't have a less
> expensive replacement for at least a year.  The price is $1,600 for
> the whole bike, minus saddle & pedals.
> Grant"
> 
> Question:  Why wait for the SA-3 to come out when they still make a 3-
> speed for $100?  Check out Harris Cyclery at
> http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/sturmey-archer-hubs.html.  While you're
> at it, why not go for 8 speeds for $170?
> 
> Disclaimer:  I'm completely sold on single speeds and internal gear
> hubs and can't see any reason to go back to derailers.
> > 
> 



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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[David Estes]

There's a 58cm on ebay right now, frame and fork...

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:42 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, John at Rivendell wrote:
>
>>
>> Shameless promotional plug from number-crunching GM:
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/104
>
>
> I'd love to have a QB as a replacement for the Motobecane (which is itself
> a very nice bike, don't mistake my meaning), and $1600 for a complete bike
> is an excellent price for a Riv. But money -- that is, its lack -- won't let
> me buy one so, unless there is a huge deficit in demand for 58s, I'm out of
> luck. But it is good to know that Grant is leaving open the door for a
> replacement single speed in the future.
>
> BTW: I know the QB is designed for cantis. Can you use, instead,
> appropriately long reach sidepulls or center pulls? I don't like cantis or V
> brakes.
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[David Estes]

The new "Lance's bag" is coming out in July...

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Bruce  wrote:

> nah, but he has ridden some on steel frames
>
> --
> *From:* Mike **
>
> Who i
>
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Where does name A. Homer Hilsen come from?

[Todd Olsen]

I have been trying to figure this out.  I saw on the Riv website this
quotation:

Though travel wide and far do I
O'er stoney paths, 'tween fields-o-rye,
Past foggy crags, where the lost sheep bleat,
I tell you, Mate --- 'tis no Grand Feat:
For I ride A. Homer Hilsen!

(From "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the other 12 or so verses
on request to gr...@rivbike.come)

But who wrote "A Life With A. Homer Hilsen" and the 12 or so verses?

I read some of the verses here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg47lg.jpg

and since there is no author credit, I assume they were written by
Grant Petersen.  Is that correct?

So, is the name just a name, or is it connected with something before
the bicyle.

Thanks,
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Fremont CA
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[RBW] Re: Let There Be Quickbeam (Orders).

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, John at Rivendell wrote:

>
> Shameless promotional plug from number-crunching GM:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/104


I'd love to have a QB as a replacement for the Motobecane (which is itself a
very nice bike, don't mistake my meaning), and $1600 for a complete bike is
an excellent price for a Riv. But money -- that is, its lack -- won't let me
buy one so, unless there is a huge deficit in demand for 58s, I'm out of
luck. But it is good to know that Grant is leaving open the door for a
replacement single speed in the future.

BTW: I know the QB is designed for cantis. Can you use, instead,
appropriately long reach sidepulls or center pulls? I don't like cantis or V
brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[Bruce]

nah, but he has ridden some on steel frames





From: Mike 

Who i



  
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[RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv Bike?

[Bruce]

Doug:

Richard Schwinn would argue (from his web site) that Waterford's "design 
philosophy" is a cycling "gestalt."  Whatever that means.

A custom Riv is made to measure for you (the important part) in term of 
dimensions and tubing selection with some fancier lugs and paint (The less 
important, but prettier part). If you happen to fit a Ram perfectly, it's 
pretty near the same riding experience as a custom that also fits you 
perfectly. That is, the design and feel is similarly informed.


Once you purchase a bike from anyone, including CX racer extraordinare Sachs, 
it IS your bike and changing the wheelset, the brakes, the forks, the saddle, 
handlebars, etc to have fun with it, or to make it supremely suited to how and 
where you ride is an entirely personal choice. The original question of "Is it 
still an RBW?" is still answered "Yes," in my book. YMMV.

best

bruce




From: Doug Van Cleve 
Subject: [RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv  Bike?

IMHO Waterford doesn't really have a design philosophy so this isn't really a 
valid comparison.  Think more along the lines of a Richard Sachs bike.  If you 
took one of his typical red with white race bikes, had canti and rear rack 
bosses added, had it powder coated matte black then built it up as a commuter 
would it still be what RS meant it to be?

..snip..



From: Larry Powers 


I have toyed with getting a new fork for the bike.  If I did would this still 
be a Riv Rambouillet? 


  
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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Mike  wrote:

>
> Who is Lance Armstrong? Does he work at Rivendell or something?


He's the one who persuaded Grant to get those handlebars rlly high.

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[RBW] Re: Endurance

[Mike]

Who is Lance Armstrong? Does he work at Rivendell or something?

On Jan 23, 4:46 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> This is in response to Lance Armstrong, right?  :-)
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[RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv Bike?

[Doug Van Cleve]

IMHO Waterford doesn't really have a design philosophy so this isn't really
a valid comparison.  Think more along the lines of a Richard Sachs bike.  If
you took one of his typical red with white race bikes, had canti and rear
rack bosses added, had it powder coated matte black then built it up as a
commuter would it still be what RS meant it to be?

Doug

P.S.  I'm not sure what the head angle on a Ram is, but if it isn't about 73
degrees I'm not sure a shorter trail (longer rake) fork will really give a
result comparable to the French front load biased geometry...

P.P.S.  A Ram isn't a one-off custom Riv.  If the frame geometry is
appropriate for a new low(er) trail fork it seems like a good way to go if
it tickles your fancy ;^)


On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Bruce  wrote:

> When you buy a Waterford, you can order it with a steel Waterford fork, or
> a Reynolds carbon fork or other after market model. They still decal it
> Waterford on the down tube and you tell people you own a Waterford. They
> make Rivendells there too btw.  So why would changing the fork make your RBW
> not an RBW? Why is running my Saluki with a Campy triple any less RBW than
> the Sugino XD you see on all the Riv website pics?  I suppose it's what your
> perception is, after all is said and done.
> --
> *From:* Larry Powers 
> **
>
> I have toyed with getting a new fork for the bike.  If I did would this
> still be a Riv Rambouillet?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv Bike?

[fenderbender]

>From what I hear it is common in the pro peloton to use a fork with
longer axle to crown measurement and/or a longer rake for races with a
lot of pavé sections. Hincapie for instance used a low end Bontrager
OCLV carbon fork that fatal day in the 2006 Paris-Roubaix.

On 23 Jan, 20:40, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
> I personally know a person who re-raked his Atlantis fork with
> questionable to no results. This person rides extremely long events,
> and ultimately his conclusion on the experiment was: Meh. It didn't do
> anything.  Eventually he had a new fork built, and it seems to have
> changed the handling with a large front-only load. But wheel flop is
> still a factor because the headtube is slack.
>
> That said, he had a different rando-specific bike built, and it is
> still on the higher side of trail figures at 57mm. And it carries a
> handlebar bag perfectly fine. So is low trail really the be-all
> end-all thing to focus on?  Methinks not.
>
> As Cyclofiend stated, there are FAR more factors to a bike's handling
> than just the fork rake. And if you're looking at low trail as The
> Thing That Will Help, you can't look at it without also taking into
> consideration headtube angle, tire size, what size loads you generally
> carry, where you carry them, etc.
>
> I ride brevets on a Saluki (http://flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/2221488837/) with 
> a medium sized
> Inujirushi handlebar bag, and I don't have problems. I can ride no
> handed in just about any condition other than uphill at <10mph. But
> really, who climbs without their hands on the bars? That isn't
> efficient.  Oh, and heavy cross winds seem to bite me with a bar bag
> up front.  I've never ridden a low trail bike, so I can't compare the
> uphill-no-hands or crosswind factors.
>
> So to answer your philosophical question, my opinion is that you'd be
> taking a bike designed for certain types of riding, and trying to make
> it something that it is not. It isn't designed for that one very
> specific type of load carrying, and anything you do to it is less than
> ideal because you're only looking at one of many factors.
>
> Gino
>
> (sorry, Jim, about continuing this thread)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Larry Powers  wrote:
> > I randonneur on a Rambouillet with a large Berthoud handlebar bag.  Most of
> > the time there are no issues with this but when I am tired and climbing
> > steep hills I can notice the affect of the bag.  For this reason and because
> > I would also be able to run bigger tires with fenders, I have toyed with
> > getting a new fork for the bike.  If I did would this still be a Riv
> > Rambouillet?  Riv/Grant intentionally build high trail bikes so modifying
> > one of their bikes to a low trail bike goes against their philosophy and In
> > my mind creates a bike that is no longer a Rivendell.
>
> > This is merely a philisophical question I am pondering while at work.  Many
> > people love to tinker and there is nothing wrong with that.  When my
> > beautiful orange Rambouillet finally needs a paint job I may decide to
> > modify it by changing the fork and adding canti studs but when I do I am not
> > sure that I can say it is a Rivendell.
>
> > Larry Powers
>
> > "just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does
> > a double back flip" - John Hiatt
>
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[RBW] Re: If You Rerake The Fork On A Riv BIke Is It Still A Riv Bike?

[fenderbender]

If you have some extra thread showing or use a ahead set type fork
steer tube you could slow the steering down a bit by fitting a spacer/
upside down race below the crown headset race. It would at least be a
way of trying out a different steer geometry before you re-rake.

On 23 Jan, 20:40, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
> I personally know a person who re-raked his Atlantis fork with
> questionable to no results. This person rides extremely long events,
> and ultimately his conclusion on the experiment was: Meh. It didn't do
> anything.  Eventually he had a new fork built, and it seems to have
> changed the handling with a large front-only load. But wheel flop is
> still a factor because the headtube is slack.
>
> That said, he had a different rando-specific bike built, and it is
> still on the higher side of trail figures at 57mm. And it carries a
> handlebar bag perfectly fine. So is low trail really the be-all
> end-all thing to focus on?  Methinks not.
>
> As Cyclofiend stated, there are FAR more factors to a bike's handling
> than just the fork rake. And if you're looking at low trail as The
> Thing That Will Help, you can't look at it without also taking into
> consideration headtube angle, tire size, what size loads you generally
> carry, where you carry them, etc.
>
> I ride brevets on a Saluki (http://flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/2221488837/) with 
> a medium sized
> Inujirushi handlebar bag, and I don't have problems. I can ride no
> handed in just about any condition other than uphill at <10mph. But
> really, who climbs without their hands on the bars? That isn't
> efficient.  Oh, and heavy cross winds seem to bite me with a bar bag
> up front.  I've never ridden a low trail bike, so I can't compare the
> uphill-no-hands or crosswind factors.
>
> So to answer your philosophical question, my opinion is that you'd be
> taking a bike designed for certain types of riding, and trying to make
> it something that it is not. It isn't designed for that one very
> specific type of load carrying, and anything you do to it is less than
> ideal because you're only looking at one of many factors.
>
> Gino
>
> (sorry, Jim, about continuing this thread)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Larry Powers  wrote:
> > I randonneur on a Rambouillet with a large Berthoud handlebar bag.  Most of
> > the time there are no issues with this but when I am tired and climbing
> > steep hills I can notice the affect of the bag.  For this reason and because
> > I would also be able to run bigger tires with fenders, I have toyed with
> > getting a new fork for the bike.  If I did would this still be a Riv
> > Rambouillet?  Riv/Grant intentionally build high trail bikes so modifying
> > one of their bikes to a low trail bike goes against their philosophy and In
> > my mind creates a bike that is no longer a Rivendell.
>
> > This is merely a philisophical question I am pondering while at work.  Many
> > people love to tinker and there is nothing wrong with that.  When my
> > beautiful orange Rambouillet finally needs a paint job I may decide to
> > modify it by changing the fork and adding canti studs but when I do I am not
> > sure that I can say it is a Rivendell.
>
> > Larry Powers
>
> > "just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does
> > a double back flip" - John Hiatt
>
> > 
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