[RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[EricP]

Will agree with David on this.  Had a Flyer on my Atlantis and it
seemed too mushy.  The Atlantis is set up with Albatross bars.
Combination of upright sitting and sprung saddle just got things too
bouncy.  Oh, and the Atlantis has Big Apple tires.  Comfy, yes.  But
was really difficult to pedal smoothly with that combination.

Have a regular Champion on there now.  Even that saddle seems too
soft.  Hard to find the sweet spot to sit.  Maybe that one is worn
out?  Or it's indicating it's time to do some (minor) re-design on the
bike.  The new catalog has me thinking. . .

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Dec 26, 10:59�pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have one for sale if you or anyone else is interested... $60 + shipping to
 find out if it works for you!!! �What a bargain!

 I find the springs are nice and take a little bit of the edge off, but the
 tops are too soft for my taste (different leather than B17???).





 On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
  After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil, and
  after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
  saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
  Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
  off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.

  How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
  pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
  on-road riding/touring?

  Thanks all!

  Ren�

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[RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[Justin August]

I have a pre-aged Flyer on my Soma DoubleCross set up with noodlebars.
I love it. I haven't used a B17 but in Philly I thank god for my 35c
Schwalbes and the sprung saddle every time I ride. For a while I had
one of the used Selle-Anatomica saddles that Riv was selling on there
but I moved that to my beater/fixed/cruiser.

 I have a Velo-Orange Croissant saddle bag on mine, works pretty much
just fine.

It seems for a Bombadil you'll be gaining much and losing very little
considering you've already chosen a steel bike with double top tubes,
I'm assuming beefy wheels...etc. I'd grab one and try it out - either
for 60 bucks from Cyclotourist or from some place that has a guarantee
or somesuch. Ben's Cycles has a metric buttload of Brooks saddles on
sale at all times.

On Dec 26, 11:31 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil, and
 after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
 saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
 Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
 off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.

 How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
 pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
 on-road riding/touring?

 Thanks all!

 René

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[RBW] Re: Year end summary and initial Bombadil feedback...

[Justin August]

You should check out the trails at Redwood Park in Oakland! Or get out
in the hills around Tilden. The East Bay has some of the best cycling!

On Dec 27, 2:26 am, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm getting ready to leave for a family vacation in Ft. Lauderdale, so there
 won't be any more riding for me this year unless I manage to do some
 convincing and we rent some beach cruisers to ride there...

 What a year this one has been, and I'm only talking about cycling; no other
 serious stuff for now. After a very difficult cycling 2008, where the year
 went by and I wasn't able to accomplish any of my personal cycling and
 weight loss goals, 2009 was much better. I managed to get into a pretty
 steady biking commute to work, either riding one way in the morning (12.5
 miles) and taking Caltrain back home in the evening (4 miles+train) when I
 wasn't traveling, which was pretty often in the second half of the year.

 I discovered Rivendell and closed the year with an A. Homer Hilsen and a
 Bombadil, having sold a Gunnar CrossHairs and a Cannondale F500 that just
 couldn't fit me no matter how hard I tried. Still on the judgement table, an
 almost brand new (100 miles or so) full carbon and 16.5 lbs Specialized
 Roubaix SL2 with a combo of Sram Red components that I can't quite fit in
 comfortably after riding the Rivendells. Waiting for the spring to see how
 much I can get for it.

 Managed to loose about 20 pounds (not continuously) over the 12 month span,
 but regained about 2 - 3 pounds during the holidays.

 I start the year full of excitement about continuing to commute regularly
 (and overcome my resistance to ride in the rain), continue to lose weight
 and becoming fitter now that I can ride pretty comfortably so I can start
 introducing some longer rides (Ray must think I'm bluffing, but I really
 want to ride with him from San Francisco to Palo Alto) and really hoping
 I'll be able to join any local Rivendell rides as well as get started with
 the newly (for me) discovered concept of the S24O.

 Now to the Bombadil report...

 I've ridden the Bombadil with 29er knobby tires on mountain biking trails
 twice, although I must say those trails are quite mild. Once in Arrastradero
 Preserve in Palo Alto, and the second time in China Camp. Both times the
 rides were a blast, and I was very surprised at how comfortable, compliant
 and secure I felt on the Bombadil. I rode with Moustache handlebars and must
 say that I really love them on the dirt. The trails were compact and the
 Bombadil tracked beautifully. Over rocks and other rough spots, I just stood
 on the pedals and flowed with the bike in a way I must say just felt
 perfect.

 I then switched wheels and rode with 40mm Marathon Extreme tires on the road
 and some dirt trails around Stanford (Lagunita). On the pavement, the bike
 rolled very smoothly and quietly; there was no hint of noise from the tires
 and they felt very smooth and with little rolling resistance. I never tried
 the previous Marathon XT tires, but I must say these are great. Off road,
 the bike handled perfectly and even while going through some short steep
 climbs where I had to stand on the pedals to clear them, the bike never
 hesitated nor the tires slipped. I'm seriously considering leaving those
 tires permanently on the bike, as it seems the Bombadil is going to be my
 bike for trail riding and not really technical mountain biking as I'll use
 my dual suspension trail bike for the more technical riding, at least for
 now. We'll have to see if I end up avoiding the dual suspension bike in
 favor of the Bombadil or not. I may also try the Marathon Supremes in the
 700 x 2.0 version, but am not sure about that yet.

 Riding the Moustache bars on the road has produced some hand pain/discomfort
 so I've been playing with both the tilt and the height of the bars to
 address that. It seems I've finally got it to a point where the discomfort
 is minimized, but all I've done are 1 hour rides these past few days so I
 don't know how my hands would fare on longer rides on the road.

 With its ultimate use goal as it appears to be shaping up, when I get back
 from my family vacation, I'll put steel fenders on the Bombadil and report
 back. I didn't quite like how the Cascadia fenders looked, so I didn't
 install them and since they didn't have any safety releases as I had
 expected, then there doesn't seem to be any point in keeping them. I'll
 either return them or put them for sale if I can't return them.

 So far, my best cycling highlight of the year, as you can all surmise, was
 my discovery and introduction to the Rivendell philosophy of cycling, and to
 its bikes. Being close to Walnut Creek and having the privilege of visiting
 them, pestering them and asking lots of questions is like icing on a
 delicious cake. They have been great with me and always put up with my
 questions with a smile. The support I've found in this group complements the
 whole experience in 

[RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[Angus]

Rene,

I use B-17s on my Rivedell's with drop bars and found that with
Albatross bars the Flyer is a nice saddle to have.

I have used the Flyer when touring with drop bars but really noticed
the difference in a more upright position with Albatross bars and/or
off road.

When using saddle bars with the Flyer, I loop the straps through the
bottom coil of the springs.

Angus

On Dec 26, 10:31 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil, and
 after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
 saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
 Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
 off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.

 How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
 pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
 on-road riding/touring?

 Thanks all!

 René

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Re: [RBW] B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[PATRICK MOORE]

I used a Flyer briefly on a mountain bike and found it more suited to a more
upright position that I favor even off road (I used Nitto Dirt Drops set
higher than drops on my road bikes). I also had to find a weird seatpost
with a dogleg in it to get the Flyer back far enough. I've since found that
fat (60 mm +) tires run at low pressures (sub 25; I go as low as 12 in
front, but that is for sand) are far, far better at bump mitigation. And
700c fatties of 65 mm run at low enough pressures are practically like
sitting on your sofa.

As for the road, I daresay that if you sit pretty bolt upriight, a Flyer
might help, but I find that saddle comfort is largely a result of proper
positioning, especially fore and aft: I use a rubber mallet to get my Flites
back all the way for optimum comfort. But then I like my bars lowish.I
can't understand why, for a normal road bike position -- even a touring bike
position -- a properly set up saddle would need springs.

Perhaps this is what you need, all 3 kg of it:

http://www.woolyswheels.com/shopping/popup_image.php/pID/1125

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil, and
 after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
 saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
 Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
 off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.

 How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
 pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
 on-road riding/touring?

 Thanks all!

 René

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Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[Ray Shine]

I use a flyer on my commuter with uprights.  I like it, as it takes just enough 
of the rough stuff off.  I ride on 35s on the commuter, all pavement, of 
course.  For a period of time I had it mounted on my Atlantis with uprights and 
35s, and that was OK, too.  But, I briefly mounted it on my Quickbeam with 
drops and did not care for it.  The flex of the springs was slight, but just 
enough to constantly be changing what is for me a very narrow comfort setting 
of the saddle tilt.  I like a B17 for dropped riding.
 How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
 pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
 on-road riding/touring?

 Thanks all!

 René

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Re: [RBW] Year end summary and initial Bombadil feedback...

[Ray Shine]

Anytime, Rene! I love riding on the peninsula, and I ride CalTrain often (I 
have a CalTrain schedule app on my iPhone)  Although I am officially retired, I 
do have two other part-time jobs, each with its own office space.  Fortunately, 
both offices are within blocks of Downtown CalTrain.  Just give me a couple of 
days notice.

Happy New Year!  

Ray

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(Ray must think I'm bluffing, but I really want to ride with him from San 
Francisco to Palo Alto) 






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Re: [RBW] Year end summary and initial Bombadil feedback...

[cyclotourist]

EXCELLENT!

Once you try Rivendell, you just can't go back!

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm getting ready to leave for a family vacation in Ft. Lauderdale, so
 there won't be any more riding for me this year unless I manage to do some
 convincing and we rent some beach cruisers to ride there...

 What a year this one has been, and I'm only talking about cycling; no other
 serious stuff for now. After a very difficult cycling 2008, where the year
 went by and I wasn't able to accomplish any of my personal cycling and
 weight loss goals, 2009 was much better. I managed to get into a pretty
 steady biking commute to work, either riding one way in the morning (12.5
 miles) and taking Caltrain back home in the evening (4 miles+train) when I
 wasn't traveling, which was pretty often in the second half of the year.

 I discovered Rivendell and closed the year with an A. Homer Hilsen and a
 Bombadil, having sold a Gunnar CrossHairs and a Cannondale F500 that just
 couldn't fit me no matter how hard I tried. Still on the judgement table, an
 almost brand new (100 miles or so) full carbon and 16.5 lbs Specialized
 Roubaix SL2 with a combo of Sram Red components that I can't quite fit in
 comfortably after riding the Rivendells. Waiting for the spring to see how
 much I can get for it.

 Managed to loose about 20 pounds (not continuously) over the 12 month span,
 but regained about 2 - 3 pounds during the holidays.

 I start the year full of excitement about continuing to commute regularly
 (and overcome my resistance to ride in the rain), continue to lose weight
 and becoming fitter now that I can ride pretty comfortably so I can start
 introducing some longer rides (Ray must think I'm bluffing, but I really
 want to ride with him from San Francisco to Palo Alto) and really hoping
 I'll be able to join any local Rivendell rides as well as get started with
 the newly (for me) discovered concept of the S24O.

 Now to the Bombadil report...

 I've ridden the Bombadil with 29er knobby tires on mountain biking trails
 twice, although I must say those trails are quite mild. Once in Arrastradero
 Preserve in Palo Alto, and the second time in China Camp. Both times the
 rides were a blast, and I was very surprised at how comfortable, compliant
 and secure I felt on the Bombadil. I rode with Moustache handlebars and must
 say that I really love them on the dirt. The trails were compact and the
 Bombadil tracked beautifully. Over rocks and other rough spots, I just stood
 on the pedals and flowed with the bike in a way I must say just felt
 perfect.

 I then switched wheels and rode with 40mm Marathon Extreme tires on the
 road and some dirt trails around Stanford (Lagunita). On the pavement, the
 bike rolled very smoothly and quietly; there was no hint of noise from the
 tires and they felt very smooth and with little rolling resistance. I never
 tried the previous Marathon XT tires, but I must say these are great. Off
 road, the bike handled perfectly and even while going through some short
 steep climbs where I had to stand on the pedals to clear them, the bike
 never hesitated nor the tires slipped. I'm seriously considering leaving
 those tires permanently on the bike, as it seems the Bombadil is going to be
 my bike for trail riding and not really technical mountain biking as I'll
 use my dual suspension trail bike for the more technical riding, at least
 for now. We'll have to see if I end up avoiding the dual suspension bike in
 favor of the Bombadil or not. I may also try the Marathon Supremes in the
 700 x 2.0 version, but am not sure about that yet.

 Riding the Moustache bars on the road has produced some hand
 pain/discomfort so I've been playing with both the tilt and the height of
 the bars to address that. It seems I've finally got it to a point where the
 discomfort is minimized, but all I've done are 1 hour rides these past few
 days so I don't know how my hands would fare on longer rides on the road.

 With its ultimate use goal as it appears to be shaping up, when I get back
 from my family vacation, I'll put steel fenders on the Bombadil and report
 back. I didn't quite like how the Cascadia fenders looked, so I didn't
 install them and since they didn't have any safety releases as I had
 expected, then there doesn't seem to be any point in keeping them. I'll
 either return them or put them for sale if I can't return them.

 So far, my best cycling highlight of the year, as you can all surmise, was
 my discovery and introduction to the Rivendell philosophy of cycling, and to
 its bikes. Being close to Walnut Creek and having the privilege of visiting
 them, pestering them and asking lots of questions is like icing on a
 delicious cake. They have been great with me and always put up with my
 questions with a smile. The support I've found in this group complements the
 whole experience in an unbelievable way that I couldn't have hoped to find
 anywhere 

[RBW] brooks swift saddle

[Wade Vidal]

Does anyone have any experience with this saddle? 
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-Swift-Saddle-BLUE-Leather-London-EHBPC-Limited_W0QQitemZ300374421102QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCycling_Parts_Accessories?hash=item45efb5ee6e
 
Is the special edition worth the upcharge? I really like it b/c of the blue 
leather.

Thanks,

Wade

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[RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[eddie...@gmail.com]

I like the Flyer a lot for certain bikes. If the bike already has a
cushy ride then it's probably overkill.  I use the Flyer to smooth out
the kick from an otherwise stiff bike. or put another way, to soften
the ride. The spring action is rather subtle, however. After awhile I
don't notice it unless I hit a big hole, though if you ride behind
someone with one you'll see the springs flexing slightly as they
pedal.

My Bike Friday Pocket Rocket with 451mm rims and 28mm Schwalbe tires
-- pretty much the maximum width for my version -- rides much more
comfortably with the Flyer. I can stay on the saddle over rougher
offroad sections on my unsuspended Rawland dSogn. We also have one
installed on our tandem instead of a stoker suspension post and my
wife prefers it to the Thudbuster we had previously. It absorbs
smaller bumps and vibrations better (no stiction) and she just
unweights the saddle when I call out the large bumps.

Leather quality has been about the same as the B17 -- generally very
good, though my wife had one that quickly stretched out enough to be
unrideable and the dealer replaced it under warranty.


Ed Felker
Washington, DC



On Dec 26, 11:31 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil, and
 after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
 saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
 Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
 off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.

 How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
 pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
 on-road riding/touring?

 Thanks all!

 René

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[RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[beth h]

What Patrick said, the part about saddle position fore and aft.
applies.

That said, I prefer a sprung saddle for all my upright city riding.
When I built up my Xtracycle I installed a flyer, which was perfect
for the close, swept-back handlebars and the very upright position on
that bike.

I liked it so much that when I remodeled my Rivvy ('99 LongLow)
earlier this summer, I swapped out the old B-17 with the broken saddle
rail (which had prompted the remodel to begin with) and swapped in a
Flyer. The Flyer takes longer to break in because of the springs but
after a month of daily riding it was almost Just Right.

The only bike that has a B-17 left on it is my Drop-bar'd All-Rounder,
where a non-sprung saddle makes complete sense.

Beth

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Re: [RBW] brooks swift saddle

[CycloFiend]

on 12/27/09 8:28 AM, Wade Vidal at wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote:

 Does anyone have any experience with this saddle?

(changed to tinyurl)
http://tinyurl.com/brooks-swift-blue

 Is the special edition worth the upcharge? I really like it b/c of the blue
 leather.
 
I've been riding a Swift for the latter half of this year and for me - which
includes my riding style, position on the bike and, um, shape - I'm liking
it a little better than the B-17.  For me, it feels between the B-17 and
Swallow in terms of position - I tend to roll my hips a little more forward
and so the narrow saddles work out a bit better on longer rides.

The B-17 is good on my commute rig (under 20 miles), but it feels a little
too wide if I'm in the drops for extended periods.

The Swifts which I've seen seem to have thicker leather than the B-17s, but
that is a nonscientific sample, to be sure.

As far as paying more for a limited edition stamp and color I'd be
hard pressed to do so.  You might check around for a shoe repair place that
can dye the leather, if you really want a specific look - might work out
cheaper.  (Don't know what kind of stain it might leave on fabric...)  But,
saddles live an inglorious life, and are mostly covered while doing so.

hope that's of some help,

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Seat Bags - a set on Flickr

[beth h]

  ... the pin dropping off the bike so its unadorned right
  now.  Anyone have suggestions for this problem?

 Tiny drop of blue Loctite?

Actually, I'd try something stronger. Blue loctite is for threads.
There's a green compound that fills larger gaps (and smells funny, I'm
told); you could also try stuffing the pinback hole with beeswax and
see how that goes.
Beth

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[RBW] Re: Seat Bags - a set on Flickr

[beth h]

OMG! I LOVE it! Want one! --Beth

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Re: [RBW] Kudos to Cyclofiend; Moderator Par Excellence

[CycloFiend]

on 12/26/09 11:20 AM, Ray at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 I just wanted to express to you how much I appreciate your holding
 this group pretty much on course.  I am one prone to tangents and
 sidebars, so I know of what I speak.  You're doing a great job!
 
 And kudos to the other list members who seem to stayed focused and
 informative.

Ray and everyone else -

Thank you.  That's some very generous praise, and I really appreciate it.

Those members who made the initial shift to this group probably have heard
me say it before, but I feel it's important to define this group by what we
are, rather than that we do not want to be. When people take the time to
share photos and write about rides, it raises the signal level, and the
noise part tends to drop to nothing in comparison.

As a corrollary to that, I'd say that any efforts I've made don't mean squat
without the contributions of everyone else. With the way we can instantly
communicate these days, it seems that it's much easier to zap off a response
with less thought and care than we would if chatting on a ride, or enjoying
one another's company directly.  Everyone here deserves thanks for taking
that small bit of time and attention to their posts to maintain respect and
civility.

I want to thank everyone who has contributed to the group, either through
posts or just reading along.

For the upcoming year, here's to grand vistas, great miles and the
conversation that happens along the way!

- Jim

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Re: [RBW] brooks swift saddle

[JimD]

I have a Swift on my custom Riv.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/3041950359/in/set-72157604146015375/

It works great for me and has become my favorite saddle.
These days I have my bars ~ 1 cm lower than the saddle.

For me the B-17 is a bit wide.

As far as the special edition goes I'd pass on that.
After being used for a year or so I'll guess it will look like a dark  
leather saddle.
When I'm riding the bike I can't  tell what color the saddle is.

Cheers,
JimD

On Dec 27, 2009, at 9:04 AM, CycloFiend wrote:

 on 12/27/09 8:28 AM, Wade Vidal at wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote:

 Does anyone have any experience with this saddle?

 (changed to tinyurl)
 http://tinyurl.com/brooks-swift-blue

 Is the special edition worth the upcharge? I really like it b/c of  
 the blue
 leather.

 I've been riding a Swift for the latter half of this year and for me  
 - which
 includes my riding style, position on the bike and, um, shape - I'm  
 liking
 it a little better than the B-17.  For me, it feels between the B-17  
 and
 Swallow in terms of position - I tend to roll my hips a little more  
 forward
 and so the narrow saddles work out a bit better on longer rides.

 The B-17 is good on my commute rig (under 20 miles), but it feels a  
 little
 too wide if I'm in the drops for extended periods.

 The Swifts which I've seen seem to have thicker leather than the  
 B-17s, but
 that is a nonscientific sample, to be sure.

 As far as paying more for a limited edition stamp and color  
 I'd be
 hard pressed to do so.  You might check around for a shoe repair  
 place that
 can dye the leather, if you really want a specific look - might work  
 out
 cheaper.  (Don't know what kind of stain it might leave on  
 fabric...)  But,
 saddles live an inglorious life, and are mostly covered while doing  
 so.

 hope that's of some help,

 - Jim

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Re: [RBW] B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[cyclotourist]

Saddle has been sold, thanks for the interest!

You can see what you missed out on here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:59 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have one for sale if you or anyone else is interested... $60 + shipping
 to find out if it works for you!!!  What a bargain!

 I find the springs are nice and take a little bit of the edge off, but the
 tops are too soft for my taste (different leather than B17???).


 On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.comwrote:

 After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil, and
 after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
 saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
 Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
 off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.

 How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
 pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
 on-road riding/touring?

 Thanks all!

 René

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[RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[Rene Sterental]

Wow! I have barely landed in Dallas on my way to Ft. Lauderdale, am
reading all the comments regarding my question on the sprung saddles,
see your offer and as I read through the thread I see someone else
already jumped at the chance!

I'm not sure if I'll like riding the Flyer as I have found I seem to
be more comfortable with a 45-55 degree back, and definitely do not
ride Albatross bars. Couldn't stand them when I tried them at RBW; my
hands hurt immediately.

When riding the Bombadil and placing my hands on the tips of the bars,
almost on the shifters, I feel quite upright and love it for cruising,
but my hands still hurt a bit.

I may end up trying instead the Marathon Supremes 700 x 2.0 and
playing with the lower air pressure to get the more cushioned ride
feel. I already get that feeling on the Extreme 40mm tires, but have
yet to play with lowering the air pressure to fully experiment the
differences.

Will have to do that with both bikes when I get back home in January.

I have a sprung B67 that I put on an Electra Townie I sold 2 years
ago. I couldn't stand the huge seat they come with and tried the B67
for a while until I sold the bike. That one I rode very upright, but I
think I never set the saddle correctly as my tail bone would hurt like
crazy after a short while. It also creaked a lot. I've kept the saddle
and may just retry it on the Bombadil just to see how the springs
feel. It's going to be too wide for how I ride the Bombadil, I'm
afraid.

Thanks for all the tips and feedback!

René

On 12/27/09, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Saddle has been sold, thanks for the interest!

 You can see what you missed out on here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/

 On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:59 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have one for sale if you or anyone else is interested... $60 + shipping
 to find out if it works for you!!!  What a bargain!

 I find the springs are nice and take a little bit of the edge off, but the
 tops are too soft for my taste (different leather than B17???).


 On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Rene Sterental
 orthie...@gmail.comwrote:

 After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil,
 and
 after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
 saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
 Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
 off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.

 How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
 pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one for
 on-road riding/touring?

 Thanks all!

 René

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Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs. Champion Flyer

[cyclotourist]

You gotta' be quick around these parts!!!


On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.comwrote:

 Wow! I have barely landed in Dallas on my way to Ft. Lauderdale, am
 reading all the comments regarding my question on the sprung saddles,
 see your offer and as I read through the thread I see someone else
 already jumped at the chance!

 I'm not sure if I'll like riding the Flyer as I have found I seem to
 be more comfortable with a 45-55 degree back, and definitely do not
 ride Albatross bars. Couldn't stand them when I tried them at RBW; my
 hands hurt immediately.

 When riding the Bombadil and placing my hands on the tips of the bars,
 almost on the shifters, I feel quite upright and love it for cruising,
 but my hands still hurt a bit.

 I may end up trying instead the Marathon Supremes 700 x 2.0 and
 playing with the lower air pressure to get the more cushioned ride
 feel. I already get that feeling on the Extreme 40mm tires, but have
 yet to play with lowering the air pressure to fully experiment the
 differences.

 Will have to do that with both bikes when I get back home in January.

 I have a sprung B67 that I put on an Electra Townie I sold 2 years
 ago. I couldn't stand the huge seat they come with and tried the B67
 for a while until I sold the bike. That one I rode very upright, but I
 think I never set the saddle correctly as my tail bone would hurt like
 crazy after a short while. It also creaked a lot. I've kept the saddle
 and may just retry it on the Bombadil just to see how the springs
 feel. It's going to be too wide for how I ride the Bombadil, I'm
 afraid.

 Thanks for all the tips and feedback!

 René

 On 12/27/09, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  Saddle has been sold, thanks for the interest!
 
  You can see what you missed out on here:
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/
 
  On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:59 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I have one for sale if you or anyone else is interested... $60 +
 shipping
  to find out if it works for you!!!  What a bargain!
 
  I find the springs are nice and take a little bit of the edge off, but
 the
  tops are too soft for my taste (different leather than B17???).
 
 
  On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Rene Sterental
  orthie...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  After having taken a couple of rides on and off-road with my Bombadil,
  and
  after seeing many pictures of Bombadil and Atlantis bikes with sprung
  saddles, I've begun wondering if putting a Champion Flyer saddle on the
  Bombadil is a good move. Obviously on the road the B-17 feels fine, but
  off-road you have to always stand up when going over rough stuff.
 
  How do others here feel about the Champion Flyer and what would be the
  pros/cons of doing such a move? What are the advantages of using one
 for
  on-road riding/touring?
 
  Thanks all!
 
  René
 
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[RBW] Re: Silver Quickbeam bar tape

[newenglandbike]

Congratulations!   My only experience with blue tape is Velox cloth
bar tape, but I've had good results with it, so I'd recommend it.
With clear shellac, it becomes a dark blue very similar to the blue of
the Quickbeam decals.


On Dec 27, 6:45 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
wrote:
 I bought the last 52cm silver Quickbeam for Rivendell last week!  I was 
 posting to the 650b list and surfing the web, trying to find a 650b-wheeled 
 fixed gear frame like a Quickbeam, when a fellow kindly pointed out that 
 the smaller sized Quickbeams from the last batch had 650b wheels.  How that 
 slipped under my radar I'll never know!

 Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone has found a blue bartape that matches the 
 blue trim on the silver QB?  I'm a fan of Fizik's Microtex bar tape and their 
 blue looks as though it might be close.

 http://www.fizik.it/catalog_accessories.aspx?subid=bar_tape_microtex_...

 Steven Frederick, East Lansing, MI

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[RBW] Re: A few more Quickbeam add-ons

[Anne]

Nice looking set up!

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[RBW] Re: Silver Quickbeam bar tape

[Dave Craig]

I have the blue cloth tape as well. I think it is a great match for
the decals once it has been coated with clear shellac.

I also recommend using black hemp twine. I bought mine from a fabric
store (Joanne's House of Fabric). I made the twine a bit darker by
using a permanent marker on it before I shellac'd it. Lastly, I used
silver barend plugs - these looked much nicer than black velox plugs.

Dave

On Dec 27, 5:02 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Congratulations!   My only experience with blue tape is Velox cloth
 bar tape, but I've had good results with it, so I'd recommend it.
 With clear shellac, it becomes a dark blue very similar to the blue of
 the Quickbeam decals.

 On Dec 27, 6:45 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
 wrote:



  I bought the last 52cm silver Quickbeam for Rivendell last week!  I was 
  posting to the 650b list and surfing the web, trying to find a 650b-wheeled 
  fixed gear frame like a Quickbeam, when a fellow kindly pointed out that 
  the smaller sized Quickbeams from the last batch had 650b wheels.  How that 
  slipped under my radar I'll never know!

  Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone has found a blue bartape that matches the 
  blue trim on the silver QB?  I'm a fan of Fizik's Microtex bar tape and 
  their blue looks as though it might be close.

 http://www.fizik.it/catalog_accessories.aspx?subid=bar_tape_microtex_...

  Steven Frederick, East Lansing, MI- Hide quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] christmas weekend canti rom build

[Wade Vidal]

test ride pics and short video  thanks for all the encouraging words and 
advice.  I hope to have it road worthy by next weekend.

Wade
  - Original Message - 
  From: Wade Vidal 
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:31 AM
  Subject: [RBW] christmas day canti rom build


  I finally got to start my romulus build today.  With any luck I get to test 
ride it tomorrow.  This is my first build and first rivendell thanks to my 
brother for the frame (and tech support)  and my wife for the components for 
christmas.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45895...@n02/.  Any input would be 
appreciated.

  Wade

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[RBW] Re: Seat Bags - a set on Flickr

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

+1 for the lantern. Very nice indeed!

Thomas Lynn Skean

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 OMG! I LOVE it! Want one! --Beth

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  I am quite proud of the Award Medallion on the tail of this Seat Bag.
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc719-maxbeach1109.html

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Re: [RBW] christmas weekend canti rom build

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Wade Vidal wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote:
 test ride pics and short video  thanks for all the encouraging words and
 advice.  I hope to have it road worthy by next weekend.



I think you're right about the shorter stem. Swap out that spare one I
sent you for something  shorter - maybe a 9-10cm stem and see if it
comes back toward you a bit. You look a bit stretched out.

See if your LBS has a used stem bin and you can swap them in and out
until you get a size that's a bit better.

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Re: [RBW] christmas weekend canti rom build

[David Faller]

I wondered about pushing that saddle back more, too... That's gonna be a fine 
ride!  I look forward to the bar tape completion.  BTW, which bars are those?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Seth Vidal 
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [RBW] christmas weekend canti rom build


  On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Wade Vidal wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote:
   test ride pics and short video thanks for all the encouraging words and
   advice. I hope to have it road worthy by next weekend.
  


  I think you're right about the shorter stem. Swap out that spare one I
  sent you for something  shorter - maybe a 9-10cm stem and see if it
  comes back toward you a bit. You look a bit stretched out.

  See if your LBS has a used stem bin and you can swap them in and out
  until you get a size that's a bit better.

  -sv

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[RBW] Re: christmas day canti rom build

[doug peterson]

Love the photos with the toys, Christmas bags, etc., in the
background.  Looks like you just un-wrapped a neat present!  Add
another vote for plumper tires - comfort (and flat resistance) is
king.  Looking good.  What are you thinking about in the rack'n'bag
area?  No Riv is complete without luggage!

dougP

On Dec 25, 10:31 pm, Wade Vidal wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote:
 I finally got to start my romulus build today.  With any luck I get to test 
 ride it tomorrow.  This is my first build and first rivendell thanks to my 
 brother for the frame (and tech support)  and my wife for the components for 
 christmas.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45895...@n02/.  Any input would be 
 appreciated.

 Wade

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[RBW] Re: Kudos to Cyclofiend; Moderator Par Excellence

[Philip Williamson]

On Dec 27, 9:19 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 12/26/09 11:20 AM, Ray at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  I just wanted to express to you how much I appreciate your holding
  this group pretty much on course.  I am one prone to tangents and
  sidebars, so I know of what I speak.  You're doing a great job!

  And kudos to the other list members who seem to stayed focused and
  informative.

 Ray and everyone else -

 Thank you.  That's some very generous praise, and I really appreciate it.

 Those members who made the initial shift to this group probably have heard
 me say it before, but I feel it's important to define this group by what we
 are, rather than that we do not want to be. When people take the time to
 share photos and write about rides, it raises the signal level, and the
 noise part tends to drop to nothing in comparison.

 As a corrollary to that, I'd say that any efforts I've made don't mean squat
 without the contributions of everyone else. With the way we can instantly
 communicate these days, it seems that it's much easier to zap off a response
 with less thought and care than we would if chatting on a ride, or enjoying
 one another's company directly.  Everyone here deserves thanks for taking
 that small bit of time and attention to their posts to maintain respect and
 civility.

 I want to thank everyone who has contributed to the group, either through
 posts or just reading along.

 For the upcoming year, here's to grand vistas, great miles and the
 conversation that happens along the way!

 - Jim

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 Jim Edgar
 cyclofi...@earthlink.net

 Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
 Current Classics - Cross Bikes
 Singlespeed - Working Bikes

I like this group so much because the members are accepting of biking
and posting styles other than their own. They have helpful,
constructive things to say, and as a result I watch what I say, too.
So I add my thanks to everyone else's: Thanks, Jim!

 Philip
McMinnville, Ore.

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[RBW] Re: My new Quickbeam

[Philip Williamson]

I think just the seat-tube Q would look great. Buena idea!

 Philip

On Dec 26, 6:49 am, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ray, i.e.,

 I was thinking about just the seat tube Q would be enough. The gold
 in the lettering might just complement the gold/yellow tape and gold
 brake cable housing.

 Your thoughts?

 Ron

 On Dec 25, 9:52 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  I'm with i.e.  Sure looks good sans decals!

  --- On Fri, 12/25/09, i.e. ien...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: i.e. ien...@gmail.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: My new Quickbeam
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 9:42 PM

  Wow!

  Are you sure you want to put decals on that ride?  It's absolutely
  gorgeous as-is.

  Congrats!

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Re: [RBW] christmas day canti rom build

[James Warren]

700x33 Jack Browns on a Ram/Rom make it the best road bike and turned me into a 
Jack Brown preacher.

The canti-Rom and those tires are made for each other.

-Jim W.


-Original Message-
From: Wade Vidal wvwheel...@comcast.net
Sent: Dec 26, 2009 8:41 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] christmas day canti rom build

the tires are little narrow I'm going to start with 28mm paselas and see how 
they do.
- Original Message - 
From: CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] christmas day canti rom build


 on 12/25/09 10:31 PM, Wade Vidal at wvwheel...@comcast.net wrote:

 I finally got to start my romulus build today.  With any luck I get to 
 test
 ride it tomorrow.  This is my first build and first rivendell thanks to 
 my
 brother for the frame (and tech support)  and my wife for the components 
 for
 christmas.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/45895...@n02/.  Any input would 
 be
 appreciated.

 Looks like you've got it going well.  I wouldn't be afraid to go bigger on
 the tires, though.  You've got good clearance in the frame, and more air
 volume will go a long way towards more comfort on the ride.

 Enjoy every bit of the journey!

 - J

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 I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I
 follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me.
 -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac

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Re: [RBW] The Evolution of Riv Road Bike Versatility

[James Warren]

But the interesting thing is that the Roadeo will not split the difference 
tire-wise. I've raved about my Ram over and over, but a Roadeo outdoes it in 
the tire clearance with fenders department. A Jack Brown with fenders can be 
done on the Roadeo, but not the Ram. The Roadeo's going to be an amazing bike, 
simultaneously more light and racey AND more versatile for tires and fenders.

I can't wait to hear more ride reports from Roadeo people.

-Jim W.


-Original Message-
From: Esteban proto...@gmail.com


Seems like the Roadeo is the logical next step in the evolution in
Rivendell's road bike thinking - and a nice way to split the
difference between the Riv Road and Rom/Rams.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Kudos to Cyclofiend; Moderator Par Excellence

[James Warren]

Thank you!!-Original Message-
From: PATRICK MOORE 
Sent: Dec 26, 2009 2:19 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Kudos to Cyclofiend; Moderator Par Excellence

Thanks, Cyclofiend, for all your work. Patrick "just got 3 pr of wool socks and ordered a SON front wheel from Rich" MooreOn Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, without a doubt let's thank Cyclofiend. I'd also like to say
thanks to group members for, by and large, keeping discussions
relevant, intelligent, and mature. This is a great group of folks here
and like David said, "it feels like home".

Oh, and of course, thanks to the folks at Rivendell Bicycle Works.

--mike

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