[RBW] lively, low rolling resistance 700C road/off-road tire?

[Earl Grey]

Hi,

I am running IRC Mythos XC Slick 42mm tires on my Sam, and am looking
for a dual purpose tire that leans a little more towards paved road
performance (let's say 75% road use, 25% dirt, but with some technical
stuff). The Mythos "Slick" is anything but slick. The center knobbies
are shorter, but of varying height, which creates a noticeable buzz on
pavement, though they grip great on hard dirt.

I want a lively tire with low rolling resistance, and I don't want/
need puncture protection (I hardly ever get flats, even on plain Jack
Browns off-road).

Does anyone have experience with the Marathon Cross versus the
Marathon Extreme? Seems the Extreme might be the way to go, but I
wonder how the Cross compares. Extremes are wider (40mm versus 38) and
folding, so what do the Crosses have in their favor?

Cheers,

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: new bike day

[William]

Velo Orange has a nice $48 seatpost that they specifically made for
Brooks setback.

I agree with your assessment of the Tektro's being kinda wimpy, esp in
the rear.  I was going to experiment with a different pad on my orange
56cm Sam.  Otherwise, I have a set of Paul's I might put on it
instead.

On Feb 16, 10:10 am, andrew hill  wrote:
> thanks guys, i'm really enjoying it so far :)
>
> i love the bullmoosies, though they aren't nearly as wide as i expected from 
> the description/pics on the Riv website, but they feel great - especially 
> with the woodies.  tons of "leverage" - and extremely comfy setup.  
>
> unfortunately i won't be able to join y'all for the SoCal ride this weekend - 
> moving to a new apartment that day - but i'll do my best to make the next 
> one.  got one scheduled for March yet? :)
>
> a new seatpost is definitely in my future.. i'm a little surprised that 
> Rivendell doesn't stock/recommend an affordable one with more setback, since 
> they are fans of Brooks saddles and this seems to be a common issue with 
> Brooks.  of course, not everyone is mostly torso, like me. i don't think i 
> can afford the $200 Nitto one, but the one Clyde suggests looks pretty good, 
> and i may have a line on another Nitto for much cheaper.
>
> i'm not sure how i feel about the Tectro calipers yet - at first impression 
> they don't have nearly the stopping power i expected (compared to the 
> sidepulls on my late XO-1 or discs on my Gary Fisher) but it's mostly the 
> rear brake that seems rather anemic, so it may just need some breaking in, so 
> to speak.  i think it's adjusted fine, but i'll tinker with it some if it 
> doesn't improve in the first 10 miles or so.
>
> btw.. how long does it take to get un-moderated here?  i've been posting for 
> a few weeks, and haven't tried to send one spam ;)
>
> best,
> andrew

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Re: [RBW] Re: new bike day

[andrew hill]

thanks Mitch,

they are actually out of stock right now - i tried to buy one yesterday and 
discovered that..  someone on the list has one for sale, but i've got a couple 
of other options i'm considering.. 

a VO might end up on a stripped down build if i can find a used 58cm Quickbeam 
or Atlantis frame, though ;)

-a
 
On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Mitch Browne wrote:

> Andrew,
> 
> This VO seatpost is in the mail to me and should be here in a couple
> of days. The set back issue is a common one and I'm dealing with it on
> my Casseroll right now.
> 
> If I like it I'll order another one for the XO-1 and Atlantis.
> 
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vogrcrusepol.html
> 
> They also have a Nitto Crystal Fellow for a little more that looks
> similar in set back.
> 
> Nice bike. Mitch
> 
> On Feb 16, 6:10 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> March is still in the works, but April is shaping up for the 3rd/4th in
>> Ventura... :-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, andrew hill  wrote:
>>> thanks guys, i'm really enjoying it so far :)
>> 
>>> i love the bullmoosies, though they aren't nearly as wide as i expected
>>> from the description/pics on the Riv website, but they feel great -
>>> especially with the woodies.  tons of "leverage" - and extremely comfy
>>> setup.
>> 
>>> unfortunately i won't be able to join y'all for the SoCal ride this weekend
>>> - moving to a new apartment that day - but i'll do my best to make the next
>>> one.  got one scheduled for March yet? :)
>> 
>>> a new seatpost is definitely in my future.. i'm a little surprised that
>>> Rivendell doesn't stock/recommend an affordable one with more setback, since
>>> they are fans of Brooks saddles and this seems to be a common issue with
>>> Brooks.  of course, not everyone is mostly torso, like me. i don't think i
>>> can afford the $200 Nitto one, but the one Clyde suggests looks pretty good,
>>> and i may have a line on another Nitto for much cheaper.
>> 
>>> i'm not sure how i feel about the Tectro calipers yet - at first impression
>>> they don't have nearly the stopping power i expected (compared to the
>>> sidepulls on my late XO-1 or discs on my Gary Fisher) but it's mostly the
>>> rear brake that seems rather anemic, so it may just need some breaking in,
>>> so to speak.  i think it's adjusted fine, but i'll tinker with it some if it
>>> doesn't improve in the first 10 miles or so.
>> 
>>> btw.. how long does it take to get un-moderated here?  i've been posting
>>> for a few weeks, and haven't tried to send one spam ;)
>> 
>>> best,
>>> andrew
>> 
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>> wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
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[RBW] Re: L'Eroica 2009 Brooks England Report

[Zaelia]

A similar ride is happening in my neck of the woods - the Whistler
GranFondo - http://www.whistlergranfondo.com/

"A ride you never thought possible. One of the most scenic highways in
the world. Or a great excuse to see the Olympic cities of Vancouver
and Whistler.  Whatever your motivation, the Whistler GranFondo is the
ride you've been waiting for.

This will be the first large scale, fully supported ride along the
newly upgraded Sea to Sky highway – Hwy 99 – from Vancouver to
Whistler. With breathtaking views of Howe Sound, challenging climbs
through the Coast Mountain Range and more downhill than you’d expect,
this ride will impress and inspire like none other."

Zaelia

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[RBW] Re: new bike day

[Earl Grey]

Re. Tektro 720s: I have them on my Sam, and I think they are great.
Easy to set up, good modulation, good stopping power; they are awesome
at the price. If all you did was technical singletrack downhill, you
might want something with more mechanical advantage for less hand
strain after hours of braking, but for an all-rounder, they are
perfect. Functionally as good as my Campy high profiles, easier to set
up, but not as jewel-like, though perfectly fine looking, except for
the prominent and ugly-ish Tektro logo. :)

I have the VO seatpost on my 20 year old beater that needed more
setback with a Brooks, and it's a beautiful post that works great.
Would like to get a Nitto at some point, but I think this one has more
setback than any of the Nittos except the lugged "Wayback".

Gernot


On Feb 17, 9:59 am, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> This VO seatpost is in the mail to me and should be here in a couple
> of days. The set back issue is a common one and I'm dealing with it on
> my Casseroll right now.
>
> If I like it I'll order another one for the XO-1 and Atlantis.
>
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vogrcrusepol.html
>
> They also have a Nitto Crystal Fellow for a little more that looks
> similar in set back.
>
> Nice bike. Mitch
>
> On Feb 16, 6:10 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
>
>
> > March is still in the works, but April is shaping up for the 3rd/4th in
> > Ventura... :-)
>
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > thanks guys, i'm really enjoying it so far :)
>
> > > i love the bullmoosies, though they aren't nearly as wide as i expected
> > > from the description/pics on the Riv website, but they feel great -
> > > especially with the woodies.  tons of "leverage" - and extremely comfy
> > > setup.
>
> > > unfortunately i won't be able to join y'all for the SoCal ride this 
> > > weekend
> > > - moving to a new apartment that day - but i'll do my best to make the 
> > > next
> > > one.  got one scheduled for March yet? :)
>
> > > a new seatpost is definitely in my future.. i'm a little surprised that
> > > Rivendell doesn't stock/recommend an affordable one with more setback, 
> > > since
> > > they are fans of Brooks saddles and this seems to be a common issue with
> > > Brooks.  of course, not everyone is mostly torso, like me. i don't think i
> > > can afford the $200 Nitto one, but the one Clyde suggests looks pretty 
> > > good,
> > > and i may have a line on another Nitto for much cheaper.
>
> > > i'm not sure how i feel about the Tectro calipers yet - at first 
> > > impression
> > > they don't have nearly the stopping power i expected (compared to the
> > > sidepulls on my late XO-1 or discs on my Gary Fisher) but it's mostly the
> > > rear brake that seems rather anemic, so it may just need some breaking in,
> > > so to speak.  i think it's adjusted fine, but i'll tinker with it some if 
> > > it
> > > doesn't improve in the first 10 miles or so.
>
> > > btw.. how long does it take to get un-moderated here?  i've been posting
> > > for a few weeks, and haven't tried to send one spam ;)
>
> > > best,
> > > andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: new bike day

[Michael_S]

I am using the Velo Orange seatpost on my Sam H. I have a similar long
torso build but with longish femurs so I like to get as far back as
possible. I have my Champion Special almost all the way back and it
fits perfect!!

here is a photo of my setup

http://tinyurl.com/yjdxlrk

Mike

SoCal

On Feb 16, 6:59 pm, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> This VO seatpost is in the mail to me and should be here in a couple
> of days. The set back issue is a common one and I'm dealing with it on
> my Casseroll right now.
>
> If I like it I'll order another one for the XO-1 and Atlantis.
>
> http://www.velo-orange.com/vogrcrusepol.html
>
> They also have a Nitto Crystal Fellow for a little more that looks
> similar in set back.
>
> Nice bike. Mitch
>
> On Feb 16, 6:10 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
>
>
> > March is still in the works, but April is shaping up for the 3rd/4th in
> > Ventura... :-)
>
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, andrew hill  wrote:
> > > thanks guys, i'm really enjoying it so far :)
>
> > > i love the bullmoosies, though they aren't nearly as wide as i expected
> > > from the description/pics on the Riv website, but they feel great -
> > > especially with the woodies.  tons of "leverage" - and extremely comfy
> > > setup.
>
> > > unfortunately i won't be able to join y'all for the SoCal ride this 
> > > weekend
> > > - moving to a new apartment that day - but i'll do my best to make the 
> > > next
> > > one.  got one scheduled for March yet? :)
>
> > > a new seatpost is definitely in my future.. i'm a little surprised that
> > > Rivendell doesn't stock/recommend an affordable one with more setback, 
> > > since
> > > they are fans of Brooks saddles and this seems to be a common issue with
> > > Brooks.  of course, not everyone is mostly torso, like me. i don't think i
> > > can afford the $200 Nitto one, but the one Clyde suggests looks pretty 
> > > good,
> > > and i may have a line on another Nitto for much cheaper.
>
> > > i'm not sure how i feel about the Tectro calipers yet - at first 
> > > impression
> > > they don't have nearly the stopping power i expected (compared to the
> > > sidepulls on my late XO-1 or discs on my Gary Fisher) but it's mostly the
> > > rear brake that seems rather anemic, so it may just need some breaking in,
> > > so to speak.  i think it's adjusted fine, but i'll tinker with it some if 
> > > it
> > > doesn't improve in the first 10 miles or so.
>
> > > btw.. how long does it take to get un-moderated here?  i've been posting
> > > for a few weeks, and haven't tried to send one spam ;)
>
> > > best,
> > > andrew
>
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> > David
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>
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> > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
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[RBW] Aww, "Amos"

[Bill Gibson]

I like collaboration, and I really like the name "Amos" for a certain
bike. I like roady bikes, I ride a Quickbeam, which suits me pretty
well, but fantasize about a dedicated Camper and a Randonneur, and I
really like bikes for the impecunious. There just aren't enough old
steel frames around here. Now, that steel fork upgrade! Yeah! Public
Service! I remember a beautiful young woman who lost her front teeth
and her smile in a front-end failure years ago, so this is bigger than
it might seem at first. That, and Smile Train. At least I can afford
to donate some cash and buy a t-shirt...

-- 
Bill Gibson
Tempe, Arizona, USA

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[RBW] Re: new bike day

[Mitch Browne]

Andrew,

This VO seatpost is in the mail to me and should be here in a couple
of days. The set back issue is a common one and I'm dealing with it on
my Casseroll right now.

If I like it I'll order another one for the XO-1 and Atlantis.

http://www.velo-orange.com/vogrcrusepol.html

They also have a Nitto Crystal Fellow for a little more that looks
similar in set back.

Nice bike. Mitch

On Feb 16, 6:10 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> March is still in the works, but April is shaping up for the 3rd/4th in
> Ventura... :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, andrew hill  wrote:
> > thanks guys, i'm really enjoying it so far :)
>
> > i love the bullmoosies, though they aren't nearly as wide as i expected
> > from the description/pics on the Riv website, but they feel great -
> > especially with the woodies.  tons of "leverage" - and extremely comfy
> > setup.
>
> > unfortunately i won't be able to join y'all for the SoCal ride this weekend
> > - moving to a new apartment that day - but i'll do my best to make the next
> > one.  got one scheduled for March yet? :)
>
> > a new seatpost is definitely in my future.. i'm a little surprised that
> > Rivendell doesn't stock/recommend an affordable one with more setback, since
> > they are fans of Brooks saddles and this seems to be a common issue with
> > Brooks.  of course, not everyone is mostly torso, like me. i don't think i
> > can afford the $200 Nitto one, but the one Clyde suggests looks pretty good,
> > and i may have a line on another Nitto for much cheaper.
>
> > i'm not sure how i feel about the Tectro calipers yet - at first impression
> > they don't have nearly the stopping power i expected (compared to the
> > sidepulls on my late XO-1 or discs on my Gary Fisher) but it's mostly the
> > rear brake that seems rather anemic, so it may just need some breaking in,
> > so to speak.  i think it's adjusted fine, but i'll tinker with it some if it
> > doesn't improve in the first 10 miles or so.
>
> > btw.. how long does it take to get un-moderated here?  i've been posting
> > for a few weeks, and haven't tried to send one spam ;)
>
> > best,
> > andrew
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: new bike day

[cyclotourist]

March is still in the works, but April is shaping up for the 3rd/4th in
Ventura... :-)

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, andrew hill  wrote:

> thanks guys, i'm really enjoying it so far :)
>
> i love the bullmoosies, though they aren't nearly as wide as i expected
> from the description/pics on the Riv website, but they feel great -
> especially with the woodies.  tons of "leverage" - and extremely comfy
> setup.
>
> unfortunately i won't be able to join y'all for the SoCal ride this weekend
> - moving to a new apartment that day - but i'll do my best to make the next
> one.  got one scheduled for March yet? :)
>
> a new seatpost is definitely in my future.. i'm a little surprised that
> Rivendell doesn't stock/recommend an affordable one with more setback, since
> they are fans of Brooks saddles and this seems to be a common issue with
> Brooks.  of course, not everyone is mostly torso, like me. i don't think i
> can afford the $200 Nitto one, but the one Clyde suggests looks pretty good,
> and i may have a line on another Nitto for much cheaper.
>
> i'm not sure how i feel about the Tectro calipers yet - at first impression
> they don't have nearly the stopping power i expected (compared to the
> sidepulls on my late XO-1 or discs on my Gary Fisher) but it's mostly the
> rear brake that seems rather anemic, so it may just need some breaking in,
> so to speak.  i think it's adjusted fine, but i'll tinker with it some if it
> doesn't improve in the first 10 miles or so.
>
> btw.. how long does it take to get un-moderated here?  i've been posting
> for a few weeks, and haven't tried to send one spam ;)
>
> best,
> andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[William]

I hope it does make them Smile.  I'm taking advantage of their really
generous SmileTrain promo to buy the Orange powdercoated 56cm Bomba on
the Frame Specials page.  I'm smiling on the economics of it.

I give $250 to Smile Train, so Smile Train smiles

I buy an in-stock Bombadil, so I smile and Rivendell smiles

I get $187.50 credit towards the thing, and I get $200 worth of free
parts towards the build and I get a tax write off for $250

It's almost like stealing.

On Feb 16, 10:43 am, Bruce  wrote:
> That would make John, Keven, et al smile ...
>
> 
> From: William 
>
> I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: GPS vs web based mappings

[Roy Yates]

For the reasons Leslie noted, the Garmin units like the 205 or the older
etrex Legend that just use GPS to measure altitude changes work quite
terribly; I have seen errors by as much as a factor of 2. On the other hand,
the units (like the 705)  that have the barometric altimeter seem to be
roughly about as accurate as other bike computers that just have a
barometric altimeter but no GPS capability.

In principle, Garmin could be using a proprietary algorithm that does data
fusion on GPS measurements, topo databases, and the barometric altimeter.
What they actually do, AFAIK, is not disclosed. However, my guess based on
observation is the  models with barometric altimeter are mostly using that.


...Roy

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Leslie  wrote:

> On Feb 15, 4:32 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
> > GPS should record elevation changes more accurately, and both GPS and
> > cycle computers should record distance traveled more accurately than
> > mapping software does. In the old days (10-15 years ago), GPS
> > elevation measurements were suspect because there weren't always
> > enough satellites to triangulate accurately in the 3rd dimension. I
> > think this has improved lately.
>
> I've never used a bicycle computer, so I can't speak to comparing its
> data to web-based map service, but I can touch upon the GPS elevation
> issue.
>
> While it's true that the satellite constellation has filled out (and
> is currently being rearranged from a 21+3 to a 24+3 configuration over
> the next year or so), and GPS receivers are now running at least 12
> channels or more, that accuracy has improved.  Unfortunately, the
> vertical accuracy will always lag the horizontal, because the earth
> isn't transparent.
>
> If you were to stand at a window with a GPS unit and look at the
> 'skyplot' view, you would notice that the receiver is picking up
> signals from satellites out in front of you that you can see from the
> window (if you could actually 'see' them), but that the ones behind
> you are blocked by the building, which thus skews your calculated
> location.  If you then went outside and were standing in the middle of
> a field, you could see satellites all around, then the calculated
> location can be more precise.
>
> The same thing is going on with elevations, but in that case, it's the
> earth that's obscuring signals from satellites on the other side of
> the earth.   Because all of the satellites within view are being used
> are all overhead, and not 'behind' you, there's a bit of a skew; the
> smallest bit of error makes for a much larger change in elevation,
> than you would get for horizontal calculations.  If the satellites
> that you're viewing/using are spread out around the horizon, then
> you'll be better off than if they were all clustered directly overhead
> - that would help minimize that error - but, that error will still be
> greater than your horizontal.
>
> FWIW, the maps that I usually make, I will pull my horizontal location
> off the GPS, plot it on a topo, then use the elevations off the map,
> in order to compare to other locations (that aren't GPS'd). [Unless, I
> can actually GPS the other locations myself, too, in which case I'll
> then emphasize their relative elevations over absolute elevations.]
>
> With that said, yes, it's improving.  I've got a few Trimble units
> here in my office that are sub-meter, and I can pull off sub-foot with
> them, given enough time (and even cm-level accuracy w/ a LOT of time
> and post-processing); but, vertically, I wouldn't guarantee anything
> more than sub-foot, and that's w/ a long residence time, not an
> instantaneous value, as you would have if you're biking along.
>
> (Hope that's not totally confusing)
>
> -L
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Re: [RBW] 59cm AHH fit questions

[Anthony Castellino]

I am your 'fit' twin...actually, I am 5' 9" and 3/4 depending on the time
between hair cuts...my PBH is 85. I ride the 57 AHH. I am lucky enough to
live close to Riv, so I stood over both the 57 and 59 as I too measured to a
59.

Both work...but, having been 15 years on 'racing' (hahahah, I a NOT a racer,
but I had to have a racing bike...love marketing!) bikes that were no doubt
too small for me, I felt a tad more at home on the 57...honestly, if my 57
was stolen today, and I drove to Riv to replace, and they only had a 59 in
stock and built up, I would buy the 59...

I will admit, that sometimes, when I am really trying to analyze my riding
position, usually when I find myself bored on my commute, feel a touch
cramped in the cockpit...perhaps a cm or 2 longer when I am out on the hoods
would be nice when I am on a long gradual (kind of like this sentence) into
the wind climb...

Finally, if the cost of 'new' would preclude or delay you from owning a Riv,
then BY ALL MEANS, get the 59...because both sizes work, the deciding factor
should be, how quickly can you get a Riv under your butt...like I said
above, if my bike was stolen and only a 59 was on the shelf, ready to go, I
would get the 59 to get me back on the bike sooner...even if only day...

Anyway, hope this helps...let us know what you decided!

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:55 AM, CycloFiend wrote:

> on 2/16/10 2:39 AM, Kentileguy at ken_y...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> > Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> > 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> > right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> > Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> > fit?
> > Thanks, Ken
>
> Yep.  Fits great. Makes me smile.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: new bike day

[andrew hill]

thanks guys, i'm really enjoying it so far :)

i love the bullmoosies, though they aren't nearly as wide as i expected from 
the description/pics on the Riv website, but they feel great - especially with 
the woodies.  tons of "leverage" - and extremely comfy setup.  

unfortunately i won't be able to join y'all for the SoCal ride this weekend - 
moving to a new apartment that day - but i'll do my best to make the next one.  
got one scheduled for March yet? :)

a new seatpost is definitely in my future.. i'm a little surprised that 
Rivendell doesn't stock/recommend an affordable one with more setback, since 
they are fans of Brooks saddles and this seems to be a common issue with 
Brooks.  of course, not everyone is mostly torso, like me. i don't think i can 
afford the $200 Nitto one, but the one Clyde suggests looks pretty good, and i 
may have a line on another Nitto for much cheaper.

i'm not sure how i feel about the Tectro calipers yet - at first impression 
they don't have nearly the stopping power i expected (compared to the sidepulls 
on my late XO-1 or discs on my Gary Fisher) but it's mostly the rear brake that 
seems rather anemic, so it may just need some breaking in, so to speak.  i 
think it's adjusted fine, but i'll tinker with it some if it doesn't improve in 
the first 10 miles or so.

btw.. how long does it take to get un-moderated here?  i've been posting for a 
few weeks, and haven't tried to send one spam ;)

best,
andrew

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[RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions

[PERydell]

I am 5' 10" and have similar PBH and have a 59cm Hilsen.

With my shoes on I can stand over the bike and lift the front wheel
about 1 inch off the ground.

I have also ridden a 57. Unless I got directly off one and onto the
other I would never really be able to tell the difference.


On Feb 16, 2:39 am, Kentileguy  wrote:
> Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> fit?
> Thanks, Ken

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[RBW] riv inventory report from Mountain Sports Ltd

[Seth Vidal]

My brother stopped by MSL in bristol and said they had a bunch of rivs
in stock. so I emailed today to ask just what they had and I thought
I'd share the results with y'all.

Disclaimer - I have no affiliation with MSL but they were nice to me
when I bought my atlantis.

Atlantis frames: 56 and 66
Atlantis built: 64

Rambouillet frames: 54cm blue w/ an unpainted fork
Rambouillet built -  62  blue, 56 green

A Homer Hilsen frames: 56 and 54 (650b), 67, 65 and 61(more than one)
A Homer Hilsen Built: 67

Hillborne: all sizes except for 60 - apparently in green.

info on MSL is at: http://mountainsportsltd.com/

There may be a sale going on - but I'm not positive of the specifics -
call them to find out.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[Bruce]

That would make John, Keven, et al smile ...




From: William 

I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too.


  

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[RBW] Saris bike rack

[Ray]

Do any of you have any experience or comments about the saris Thelma
bicycle car rack? Especially interested in comparaing it against a
Thule model that places wheels into trays and secures with ratcheting
J-bar.  Both are hitch mounts, not trunk mounts.  Thank you.

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[RBW] SRAM 500 brake levers

[Jim M.]

I've installed the SRAM levers on my Quickbeam and they are really
nice. They are just a bit wider (comfortably so IMHO) than Ultegra 9-
sp brifters. I really like the angled levers -- they make 2-fingered
braking more comfortable for me. The one thing I don't really like is
that they are not spring loaded. That's not a real problem but I have
gotten used to the snappy feeling of spring-loaded levers.

Jim

On Jan 27, 2:23 pm, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> I've been wondering about thosesramlevers, they look like they'd be
> the nuts for the Nitto RM013's i've just installed with those flared
> out levers.  Plus, you can accessorize with hudz!
>
> http://www.grabthehudz.com/
>
> let us know what you think.
>
> Simpleone looks awesome.
>
> On Jan 27, 12:39 pm, "Jim M."  wrote:
>
> > I stopped by RBW for some parts today and got to see a beautiful
> > Simpleone prototype. It's a 64cm in a very attractive burgundy.  The
> > decals are very tasteful, and they even include Rivendell in small
> > type. Sorry, I had no camera with me. Without the decals, you would
> > think it's a Quickbeam in a new color. I didn't get a chance to ride
> > it, but I may go back tomorrow with camera and time to try it.
>
> > If you missed out on the QB, you won't go wrong getting a Simpleone
> > (pronounced sim-play-own-ay). ;-)
>
> > One of the parts I picked up was theSRAMroad 
> > lever:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sram-s500-road-brake-levers/15-164
> > I've used the Cane Creeks and Shimanos, and theSRAMis in between
> > those in size, and has a better ergonomic shape, at least to my hands.
> > It also has adjustable reach.
>
> > jim m
> > wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> I'm 5'11" with an 87.5" PBH.  I've got a 59 AHH and maybe could have gone
> one bigger (Jay recommended a 61 first, and 59 second).  I have about an
> inch or two depending on shoes and tires.  I don't care about standover on
> the roadish bikes (at least haven't had a reason to yet).  I like riding a
> larger frame - it's more comfortable to me, and there's some sort of a
> psychology to it that works for me.  For reference, most of the guys I work
> with that are similar height are on 54-56cm road bikes, and think I'm a bit
> mad.
> p.s. The top tube makes a good leg rest at stop lights...
>

Agreed. I bought a 58cm Atlantis and over the last year I realized I
could have easily gone to the a 61cm atlantis and even a 64cm atlantis
if I knew I wouldn't want larger tires on it.

I think if/when I get another riv it'll be a 60->62cm bike of some kind.

thanks,
-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions

[Brian Hanson]

I'm 5'11" with an 87.5" PBH.  I've got a 59 AHH and maybe could have gone
one bigger (Jay recommended a 61 first, and 59 second).  I have about an
inch or two depending on shoes and tires.  I don't care about standover on
the roadish bikes (at least haven't had a reason to yet).  I like riding a
larger frame - it's more comfortable to me, and there's some sort of a
psychology to it that works for me.  For reference, most of the guys I work
with that are similar height are on 54-56cm road bikes, and think I'm a bit
mad.

p.s. The top tube makes a good leg rest at stop lights...

Brian
Seattle

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:12 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:

> I would not worry about stand over so much as being able to get the
> right leg extension handle bar reach with your preferred set up.
>
> For instance if you want drops slightly below seat level, will you be
> bending and reaching in a way that matches your preference and fitness
> level.
>
> If all is well with that, and the deal is good, the AHH is one of the
> best bikes out there.
>
> On Feb 16, 4:39 am, Kentileguy  wrote:
> > Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> > 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> > right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> > Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> > fit?
> > Thanks, Ken
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[RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions

[JoelMatthews]

I would not worry about stand over so much as being able to get the
right leg extension handle bar reach with your preferred set up.

For instance if you want drops slightly below seat level, will you be
bending and reaching in a way that matches your preference and fitness
level.

If all is well with that, and the deal is good, the AHH is one of the
best bikes out there.

On Feb 16, 4:39 am, Kentileguy  wrote:
> Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> fit?
> Thanks, Ken

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Re: [RBW] 59cm AHH fit questions

[Jon Grant]

on 2/16/10 2:39 AM, Kentileguy at ken_y...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> fit?
> Thanks, Ken

I¹m 5¹-8.5² and my PBH is 85 cm. My Riv custom is 60.5cm and my Blériot
(with 42mm Hetres) is a 59cm. I¹m really happy with both. I can¹t stand over
the custom barefooted, but luckily that situation hardly ever comes up.

If you were asking, I¹d say do it.

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Re: [RBW] GPS vs web based mappings

[Roy Yates]

*It depends on what website you use. My understanding is that each
interpolates the same topo data base in its own way. Also, my impression is
that each website keeps tuning their algorithms in the hope of greater
accuracy. What's not clear is whether any of these sites get access to side
information or secondary databases *
*
*
*My own experience is with the Garmin 705 (which has a barometric altimeter)
and a VDO MC1.0+ which also has a barometric altimeter but no GPS. I've
found that the two tend to report results within about 10% of each other.
The VDO which has doesn't have GPS, tends to do more averaging of the
barometer readings.  *
*
*
*As for websites, I've been using bikeroutetoaster.com and ridewithgps.com.
 My experience was that a bikeroutetoaster often underestimated the vertical
feet in a route by 10-20%. On the other hand, ridewithgps tended to be
closer, and occasionally overestimate a little. It seems possible to me that
ridewithgps may well have added a correction factor to account for small ups
and downs? *
*
*
*In any case, both have been much better than my experiences with mapmyride.
However, I stopped using mapmyride 2 years ago, and it is very possible they
have changed their algorithms in the meantime.
*
...Roy

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Can't compare web to GPS, but I've found over the years that both calculate
> more climbing than is shown by an altimeter watch or bike computer. The
> altimeter typically shows about 30% less altitude gain, probably because the
> mapped versions add up every little up while most altimeters ignore small
> gains.
> — Eric Norris
> www.campyonly.com
> www.wheelsnorth.com
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> [image:
> Web] [image: Email] 
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:59 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
>
> In mapping out routes, I've noticed big differences in both distance
> and elevation gain between  GPS and plotting the same route on web
> based mapping services.  Distances can be off by 5%-10% and elevation
> by double.  The web based systems are always higher than GPS.  Has
> anyone else encountered this?  It's entirely possible I'm doing
> something wrong on the web based systems.
>
> dougP
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[RBW] Re: Brooks has some new awesomeness

[Earl Grey]

I like the Barsack better, AND it's 1/3 the price...

On Feb 13, 1:09 am, sjauch  wrote:
> And for that price you'd expect them to be made in the UK. Pretty sure
> there from China.
>
> On Feb 12, 12:15 pm, EricP  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Panniers look nice.  But prices - wowser!  What's strange - I have
> > some nice Ortlieb, but did two of my three S24O last year with Arkel
> > Sackaroos.
>
> > For handlebar bags, really starting to appreciate the hobo model more
> > and more.  Can just cram it full of stuff and not worry.
>
> > Eric Platt
> > St. Paul, MN
>
> > On Feb 12, 7:30 am, scott  wrote:
>
> > > I was reading the new issue of Adventure Cycling this morning and
> > > there is a nice article about touring the Brooks factory. At the end
> > > of the article is a small mention of two new bags geared toward
> > > touring cyclists, so I looked em up.
>
> > > WOW! a handlebar bag and set of touring panniers. Super classy waxed
> > > canvas and leather. Super spendy, but whatever.
>
> > > The handlebar bag has a map holder that is secured by six replacement
> > > spokes for your wheels. How amazing is that! And a D-shaped tool bag
> > > fits into a slot on the front. I likes it.
>
> > >http://www.brookssaddles.com/en/News_Page.aspx?id=090916.231040.40&fr...Hide
> > > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hilbourne Tires

[Earl Grey]

Has anyone run 44s on their Sam? I am running 42mm IRC Mythos XC
Slicks (which are knobbies with a semi-slick center). They measure
42mm actual on Velocity Synergies, and I'd say there is good mud
clearance, but with 44s I am not so sure (though I am pretty sure 44s
would fit).

Gernot

On Feb 13, 8:47 am, EricP  wrote:
> Am running Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700x40 with fenders on my Sam.
> Tires measure 39 actual on Salsa Delgado rims.
>
> Been running those tires since I got the bike.  A beautiful match, in
> my opinion.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Feb 12, 3:19 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Since the Riv geometry chart is uncharacteristically vague on this
> > point, can anyone tell me the max tire width, with fenders, for this
> > frame?
>
> > Michael

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[RBW] Re: Fw: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010

[William]

Looking forward to my pariI mean pair.

I checked out the prototype 1 on the shelf at Riv-HQ yesterday, and
the tread was CRAZY thin.  I'm glad Kirk put a little bit more meat on
them.

I guess I should buy that Bomba to accept these tires, too.

On Feb 12, 5:17 pm, Bruce  wrote:
> Just an FYI for those here who are running 650B Rivvies..
>
> - Forwarded Message 
> From: Kirk Pacenti 
> To: 6...@bikelist.org
> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 5:59:40 PM
> Subject: [650B] Pari-Moto Update 2/12/2010
>
> Dear 650b fans,
>
> Good news; the revisions to the Pari-Moto mould are
> complete, samples have been approved and the tires are headed to production.
>
> We were delayed by 4-5 weeks because of the rework needed to the mould, but
> hopefully we’ll still get tires here by the end of March.
>
> Again, a big thanks to all those who supported this project
> early on and made the Pari-Moto a reality!
>
> Cheers,
>
> KP
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] 59cm AHH fit questions

[CycloFiend]

on 2/16/10 2:39 AM, Kentileguy at ken_y...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> fit?
> Thanks, Ken

Yep.  Fits great. Makes me smile.

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Re: [RBW] Re: GPS vs web based mappings

[Bruce]

My legs are generally able to give me a good overall indication of the amount 
of climbing done on a given ride. In fact, there are times when they detect the 
minutest changes in upgrade well before the Garmin 705 kicks in... :)




From: Leslie 


While it's true that the satellite constellation has filled out (and
is currently being rearranged from a 21+3 to a 24+3 configuration over
the next year or so), and GPS receivers are now running at least 12
channels.The same thing is going on with elevations, but in that case, it's 
the
earth that's obscuring signals from satellites on the other side of
the earth.  FWIW, the maps that I usually make, I will pull my horizontal 
location
off the GPS, plot it on a topo,   I've got a few Trimble units
here in my office that are sub-meter, and I can pull off sub-foot with
them, given enough time (and even cm-level accuracy w/ a LOT of time
and post-processing)

(Hope that's not totally confusing)


  

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[RBW] Re: new bike day

[MichaelH]

After you have had a chance to us them some more, I would be
interested in hearing how you like the brakes.  They look like a good
design, but the price looks to good to be true.

Michael

On Feb 15, 3:46 pm, neurodrum  wrote:
> happy NBD to me :)  just unpacked my first Rivendell, an orange Sam i
> mentioned on the list a couple weeks ago.
>
> slapped it together and took it for a ride around the block to adjust
> things like seat, stem, etc.
>
> it's a 56cm.. and i don't really have more than 1cm of standover (in
> street shoes) but the cockpit is about as small as i can take (i'm
> 5'11 with a PBH of about 84.5 - all torso).
>
> here are some low-rez pics i took with my 
> iphonehttp://paradigmpusher.com/Cycling/Sam_Hillborne.html
>
> so far it feels great - lighter and much snappier than i expected,
> rather similar to the XO-1 that i sold to Mitch a couple weeks ago, to
> fund this, but bigger/sturdier/smoother on the 700C Schwalbes.
>
> the only issue at the moment is the saddle just isn't quite far enough
> back.. i could use another cm or two, but the Flyer Special is back as
> far as it goes.. look like i'll be ordering a new seatpost shortly.
> the bars are also adjusted all the way up to the max height line, but
> they feel pretty good there.
>
> thanks to Grant and Jay for all the advice on sizing, parts, etc.. my
> dream bike made it into reality :)
>
> now i just gotta get some racks and setback seatpost, i think.
>
> cheers,
> andrew

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Re: [RBW] 59cm AHH fit questions

[Ron Farnsworth]

I'm very slightly taller and bought a 61cm Homer and love the fit. I bet you 
would find it perfect.

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From: Seth Vidal 
Subject: Re: [RBW] 59cm AHH fit questions
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 9:56 AM


On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Kentileguy  wrote:
> Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> fit?


remember you wear shoes on the bike but not when measuring your pbh.

So your pbh + 1-2cm for your shoes == standover closer to 87cm.

So you should be fine.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: GPS vs web based mappings

[Leslie]

On Feb 15, 4:32 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> GPS should record elevation changes more accurately, and both GPS and
> cycle computers should record distance traveled more accurately than
> mapping software does. In the old days (10-15 years ago), GPS
> elevation measurements were suspect because there weren't always
> enough satellites to triangulate accurately in the 3rd dimension. I
> think this has improved lately.

I've never used a bicycle computer, so I can't speak to comparing its
data to web-based map service, but I can touch upon the GPS elevation
issue.

While it's true that the satellite constellation has filled out (and
is currently being rearranged from a 21+3 to a 24+3 configuration over
the next year or so), and GPS receivers are now running at least 12
channels or more, that accuracy has improved.  Unfortunately, the
vertical accuracy will always lag the horizontal, because the earth
isn't transparent.

If you were to stand at a window with a GPS unit and look at the
'skyplot' view, you would notice that the receiver is picking up
signals from satellites out in front of you that you can see from the
window (if you could actually 'see' them), but that the ones behind
you are blocked by the building, which thus skews your calculated
location.  If you then went outside and were standing in the middle of
a field, you could see satellites all around, then the calculated
location can be more precise.

The same thing is going on with elevations, but in that case, it's the
earth that's obscuring signals from satellites on the other side of
the earth.   Because all of the satellites within view are being used
are all overhead, and not 'behind' you, there's a bit of a skew; the
smallest bit of error makes for a much larger change in elevation,
than you would get for horizontal calculations.  If the satellites
that you're viewing/using are spread out around the horizon, then
you'll be better off than if they were all clustered directly overhead
- that would help minimize that error - but, that error will still be
greater than your horizontal.

FWIW, the maps that I usually make, I will pull my horizontal location
off the GPS, plot it on a topo, then use the elevations off the map,
in order to compare to other locations (that aren't GPS'd). [Unless, I
can actually GPS the other locations myself, too, in which case I'll
then emphasize their relative elevations over absolute elevations.]

With that said, yes, it's improving.  I've got a few Trimble units
here in my office that are sub-meter, and I can pull off sub-foot with
them, given enough time (and even cm-level accuracy w/ a LOT of time
and post-processing); but, vertically, I wouldn't guarantee anything
more than sub-foot, and that's w/ a long residence time, not an
instantaneous value, as you would have if you're biking along.

(Hope that's not totally confusing)

-L

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[RBW] Re: new bike day

[amoll68]

Neat build! Looks like fun. Enjoy.

Best,
Alex Moll
Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: new bike day

[cyclotourist]

Those wood grips are beautiful.  What a great bike.

Will you be joining us this Sunday on the SoCal ride?
*
*http://tinyurl.com/FebRivRide

Hope so!


On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Beardpapa  wrote:

> Well done.  How are you liking the Bullmoose bars?
>
> On Feb 16, 4:07 am, clyde canter  wrote:
> > Nice!.
> >
> > This post should get you another cm of s/b.
> >
> > http://www.wallbike.com/seatposts/uno374.html
> >
> > Best,
> > Clyde
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM, neurodrum  wrote:
> > > happy NBD to me :)  just unpacked my first Rivendell, an orange Sam i
> > > mentioned on the list a couple weeks ago.
> >
> > > slapped it together and took it for a ride around the block to adjust
> > > things like seat, stem, etc.
> >
> > > it's a 56cm.. and i don't really have more than 1cm of standover (in
> > > street shoes) but the cockpit is about as small as i can take (i'm
> > > 5'11 with a PBH of about 84.5 - all torso).
> >
> > > here are some low-rez pics i took with my iphone
> > >http://paradigmpusher.com/Cycling/Sam_Hillborne.html
> >
> > > so far it feels great - lighter and much snappier than i expected,
> > > rather similar to the XO-1 that i sold to Mitch a couple weeks ago, to
> > > fund this, but bigger/sturdier/smoother on the 700C Schwalbes.
> >
> > > the only issue at the moment is the saddle just isn't quite far enough
> > > back.. i could use another cm or two, but the Flyer Special is back as
> > > far as it goes.. look like i'll be ordering a new seatpost shortly.
> > > the bars are also adjusted all the way up to the max height line, but
> > > they feel pretty good there.
> >
> > > thanks to Grant and Jay for all the advice on sizing, parts, etc.. my
> > > dream bike made it into reality :)
> >
> > > now i just gotta get some racks and setback seatpost, i think.
> >
> > > cheers,
> > > andrew
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Re: [RBW] 59cm AHH fit questions

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Kentileguy  wrote:
> Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
> 1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
> right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
> Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
> fit?


remember you wear shoes on the bike but not when measuring your pbh.

So your pbh + 1-2cm for your shoes == standover closer to 87cm.

So you should be fine.

-sv

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[RBW] 59cm AHH fit questions

[Kentileguy]

Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy a used 59 cm Hilsen. I'm 5' 9
1/2" with a pbh of 85cm.According to Riv's fit chart a 59cm is the
right size for me, but the  s.o. is 85 cm -not much clearance if any.
Is anyone out there about my size riding a 59cm? If so how does it
fit?
Thanks, Ken

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[RBW] Re: new bike day

[Beardpapa]

Well done.  How are you liking the Bullmoose bars?

On Feb 16, 4:07 am, clyde canter  wrote:
> Nice!.
>
> This post should get you another cm of s/b.
>
> http://www.wallbike.com/seatposts/uno374.html
>
> Best,
> Clyde
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM, neurodrum  wrote:
> > happy NBD to me :)  just unpacked my first Rivendell, an orange Sam i
> > mentioned on the list a couple weeks ago.
>
> > slapped it together and took it for a ride around the block to adjust
> > things like seat, stem, etc.
>
> > it's a 56cm.. and i don't really have more than 1cm of standover (in
> > street shoes) but the cockpit is about as small as i can take (i'm
> > 5'11 with a PBH of about 84.5 - all torso).
>
> > here are some low-rez pics i took with my iphone
> >http://paradigmpusher.com/Cycling/Sam_Hillborne.html
>
> > so far it feels great - lighter and much snappier than i expected,
> > rather similar to the XO-1 that i sold to Mitch a couple weeks ago, to
> > fund this, but bigger/sturdier/smoother on the 700C Schwalbes.
>
> > the only issue at the moment is the saddle just isn't quite far enough
> > back.. i could use another cm or two, but the Flyer Special is back as
> > far as it goes.. look like i'll be ordering a new seatpost shortly.
> > the bars are also adjusted all the way up to the max height line, but
> > they feel pretty good there.
>
> > thanks to Grant and Jay for all the advice on sizing, parts, etc.. my
> > dream bike made it into reality :)
>
> > now i just gotta get some racks and setback seatpost, i think.
>
> > cheers,
> > andrew
>
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Re: [RBW] new bike day

[clyde canter]

Nice!.

This post should get you another cm of s/b.

http://www.wallbike.com/seatposts/uno374.html

Best,
Clyde



On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM, neurodrum  wrote:

> happy NBD to me :)  just unpacked my first Rivendell, an orange Sam i
> mentioned on the list a couple weeks ago.
>
> slapped it together and took it for a ride around the block to adjust
> things like seat, stem, etc.
>
> it's a 56cm.. and i don't really have more than 1cm of standover (in
> street shoes) but the cockpit is about as small as i can take (i'm
> 5'11 with a PBH of about 84.5 - all torso).
>
> here are some low-rez pics i took with my iphone
> http://paradigmpusher.com/Cycling/Sam_Hillborne.html
>
> so far it feels great - lighter and much snappier than i expected,
> rather similar to the XO-1 that i sold to Mitch a couple weeks ago, to
> fund this, but bigger/sturdier/smoother on the 700C Schwalbes.
>
> the only issue at the moment is the saddle just isn't quite far enough
> back.. i could use another cm or two, but the Flyer Special is back as
> far as it goes.. look like i'll be ordering a new seatpost shortly.
> the bars are also adjusted all the way up to the max height line, but
> they feel pretty good there.
>
> thanks to Grant and Jay for all the advice on sizing, parts, etc.. my
> dream bike made it into reality :)
>
> now i just gotta get some racks and setback seatpost, i think.
>
> cheers,
> andrew
>
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