[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
one observation... the world of steel bikes, Nitto, and non carbon silver components is very small compared the bicycle world as a whole I imagine the relatively small size of the steel bike world is why people tend to lump its practitioners together. There are big differences in the Riv and VO design approach. Riv's tend to be mid trail with moderately long chain stays affording neutral to lively handling with modest loads up front and mid to heavy in the rear. VO bikes are in the French tradition low trail that remain stable with a lot of weight up front and offer a relaxed comfortable ride. Looking closely at their approach to handlebars, brakes, wheel sets, tires etc., the different approach is consistently there. Someone could easily have a VO and Riv bike with almost no overlap. On Feb 3, 10:47 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: one observation... the world of steel bikes, Nitto, and non carbon silver components is very small compared the bicycle world as a whole. I'm delighted that all 3 shops (and others) are able to survive. It would be a cold dark ( black and grey) world without all of them. ~Mike On Feb 3, 7:34 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I vividly remember my first visit to Jitensha Studio in my freshman year a Cal in 1987. I'd never seen a shop like that, and I can't say I've ever seen another like it. On Feb 3, 6:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. That is my understanding. The BOBs may have to chime in here, but I always thought Bridgestone in the Grant years was trying to translate at scale what the small, Francophile Japanese shops (such as Toei) Jitensha championed were doing. On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
I put 36h RhynoLites on my commuter and they are almost absurdly strong. I'm 240, with a heavy, old steel MTB and a commuting load, and I regularly have to ride off curbs on a part of my route that is along a road under construction. No problem whatsoever on these rims. A 48h might as well be made out of solid aluminum! -Pete On Feb 3, 9:15 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use the 26 RhynoLite on my own touring bike, 48h rear and 40h front. Cool! I weigh 155 or so and carry moderate loads touring. But I love the look and security riding on 40h rims. The only 48h Maxicar hubs I could find were tandem width, otherwise I would have liked to have a 48h rear wheel as well. On Feb 3, 6:18 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: There is no practical tire width limitation. I have many times run 2 or bigger tires on rims 24 mm or slightly narrower. If you need rims, I have a shocking number of 26 40h rims, mostly Velocity Aeroheat (black) and Sun RhynoLite (polished silver). I use the 26 RhynoLite on my own touring bike, 48h rear and 40h front. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: LS Green Rivendell Jeresy XXXXL
Has this item been sold yet? On Feb 1, 3:31 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: I have a pic and will email itIm really only curious but if somebody gives a crazy offer it's theirs. I have never worn it and bought it from riv, it did somehow develop a couple very small holes but my wife who is a seamstress fixed them and you can barely tell anything was there. The fit is perfect for me at 6'1 with broad shoulders, the L is more like an XL-XXL american. On Jan 31, 12:17 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: It's woolistic and never been wornout of curiosity what would somebody pay me for it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fat tire comparison table (26 and 700C)
Agree... The EZ Rides are a nice, durable, reasonably low-resistance tire... They remind me of observed trials tires, with their tightly- spaced, slightly flattened knobbies... I have put these on a few bikes. In fact, even though I have turned into somewhat of a Schwalbe groupie (with more pairs of Big Apples and Fat Franks than I care to admit), for a long, multi-day, mixted terrain endurance ride I think I'd take the EZ Rides... (I wonder if they make them in a 700c?) BB On Feb 3, 12:56 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: These tests are all from 2006, from a German bike touring magazine, and list actual weight (Gewicht), actual width (Breite) (presumably on the same rim; hey, this is a German rag), rolling resistance (Rollwiderstand), puncture resistance (Durchstich), and what I assume is pinch flat resistance (Durchschlag). Unfortunately I have no idea how they tested the last 3. http://www.radreise-magazin.de/pdfs/2006_reifentest.pdf I recently bought some Kenda Kwickroller EZ Rides on close-out on the recommendation of Garth from the list, and have been very pleased with their low rolling resistance and weight, and no flats so far, either. Can't find them anymore, though. Should have stocked up. :( Enjoy, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Fat tire comparison table with rolling resistance measurements
Hhm, thought this would be of more interest. Perhaps the title wasn't descriptive enough. Interesting to note that the plain Marathons apparently have less resistance than the Supremes, and the Marathon Racers really are fast. Cheers, Gernot On Feb 4, 12:56 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: These tests are all from 2006, from a German bike touring magazine, and list actual weight (Gewicht), actual width (Breite) (presumably on the same rim; hey, this is a German rag), rolling resistance (Rollwiderstand), puncture resistance (Durchstich), and what I assume is pinch flat resistance (Durchschlag). Unfortunately I have no idea how they tested the last 3. http://www.radreise-magazin.de/pdfs/2006_reifentest.pdf I recently bought some Kenda Kwickroller EZ Rides on close-out on the recommendation of Garth from the list, and have been very pleased with their low rolling resistance and weight, and no flats so far, either. Can't find them anymore, though. Should have stocked up. :( Enjoy, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
Gary I weigh 205 and I run the stock 26 rims on my Long Haul Trucker with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (26x50). As I wrote in another post, the fatter tires are now my choice for all loaded tours. I know you didn't ask about your choice of 40h rims, but I thought I might add some unsolicited advice. I have never had a well-built, 36- hole wheel fail on a tour - poor stock rims, yes - but not handbuilt wheels. I think lots of folks make the assumption that more is better for expeditioning. A 40 hole rim seems way overbuilt for front wheels for someone your size. With a 26-inch wheel, 40h in the rear also seems excessive. Here's another consideration: I had a nice, custom 40h rear wheel on my Bombadil during one tour. When the rim self- destructed due to a manufacturing defect, I was hard-pressed to find an easily available replacement rim on which I could use my expensive 40h hub. I ended up using a cheap ( $100) 36h wheel for the last half of the tour and it worked just as well as the $400 wheel it replaced. Save yourself some money for panniers, etc. You could go with a cheaper front wheel at least. With tires as nice as the Scwalbe Supremes and the versatility of fatter tires, I really don't see any reason to run thinner tires for loaded touring or rough riding unless your bike won't accommodate the fat ones. Dave On Jan 28, 2:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fat tire comparison table (26 and 700C)
Well, they did, in 700x40C and 45C for sure, but are discontinued in the States, but apparently still available in Europe? Gernot On Feb 4, 10:23 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Agree... The EZ Rides are a nice, durable, reasonably low-resistance tire... They remind me of observed trials tires, with their tightly- spaced, slightly flattened knobbies... I have put these on a few bikes. In fact, even though I have turned into somewhat of a Schwalbe groupie (with more pairs of Big Apples and Fat Franks than I care to admit), for a long, multi-day, mixted terrain endurance ride I think I'd take the EZ Rides... (I wonder if they make them in a 700c?) BB On Feb 3, 12:56 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: These tests are all from 2006, from a German bike touring magazine, and list actual weight (Gewicht), actual width (Breite) (presumably on the same rim; hey, this is a German rag), rolling resistance (Rollwiderstand), puncture resistance (Durchstich), and what I assume is pinch flat resistance (Durchschlag). Unfortunately I have no idea how they tested the last 3. http://www.radreise-magazin.de/pdfs/2006_reifentest.pdf I recently bought some Kenda Kwickroller EZ Rides on close-out on the recommendation of Garth from the list, and have been very pleased with their low rolling resistance and weight, and no flats so far, either. Can't find them anymore, though. Should have stocked up. :( Enjoy, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. I weigh about 190lbs .If you use good stiff rims ( Dyad's in my case), thr right spokes and fat tires a 36 hole rim is plenty. ~Mike On Feb 4, 7:29 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Gary I weigh 205 and I run the stock 26 rims on my Long Haul Trucker with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (26x50). As I wrote in another post, the fatter tires are now my choice for all loaded tours. I know you didn't ask about your choice of 40h rims, but I thought I might add some unsolicited advice. I have never had a well-built, 36- hole wheel fail on a tour - poor stock rims, yes - but not handbuilt wheels. I think lots of folks make the assumption that more is better for expeditioning. A 40 hole rim seems way overbuilt for front wheels for someone your size. With a 26-inch wheel, 40h in the rear also seems excessive. Here's another consideration: I had a nice, custom 40h rear wheel on my Bombadil during one tour. When the rim self- destructed due to a manufacturing defect, I was hard-pressed to find an easily available replacement rim on which I could use my expensive 40h hub. I ended up using a cheap ( $100) 36h wheel for the last half of the tour and it worked just as well as the $400 wheel it replaced. Save yourself some money for panniers, etc. You could go with a cheaper front wheel at least. With tires as nice as the Scwalbe Supremes and the versatility of fatter tires, I really don't see any reason to run thinner tires for loaded touring or rough riding unless your bike won't accommodate the fat ones. Dave On Jan 28, 2:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
Certainly both Riv and VO try to find their own niches in this small part of the cycling business, but I find a lot of commonality between the two. I think Grant seems to favor the tried and true proven stuff while VO seems to like to experiment with new versions using cheaper Taiwanese mfgers ~Mike On Feb 4, 5:55 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. That is my understanding. The BOBs may have to chime in here, but I always thought Bridgestone in the Grant years was trying to translate at scale what the small, Francophile Japanese shops (such as Toei) Jitensha championed were doing. On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly?
The 7:55 is usually really crowded at the start, but that's what I'll aim for. Andy On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Okay, everyone: Seattle ferry times are 7:55, 8:45, 9:35 and 10:35 a.m. I personally would prefer the 7:55 time. Anyone prefer different? Ryan On Feb 3, 10:19 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: I just registered. Last time I did it was 20 years ago--should be a good challenge for me. See you all at the ferry! Rob in Seattle On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Benedikt wrote: Any Seattle Riv owners plan on riding Chilly Hilly this year? Or non Seattle Riv owners? http://shop.cascade.org/content/events/chilly-hilly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. It is a matter of preference. 40h rims are not more expensive than 36h. A lot of choices on what goes into the panniers are going to have far more impact on weight than 4 spokes. I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. On Feb 4, 9:38 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. I weigh about 190lbs .If you use good stiff rims ( Dyad's in my case), thr right spokes and fat tires a 36 hole rim is plenty. ~Mike On Feb 4, 7:29 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Gary I weigh 205 and I run the stock 26 rims on my Long Haul Trucker with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (26x50). As I wrote in another post, the fatter tires are now my choice for all loaded tours. I know you didn't ask about your choice of 40h rims, but I thought I might add some unsolicited advice. I have never had a well-built, 36- hole wheel fail on a tour - poor stock rims, yes - but not handbuilt wheels. I think lots of folks make the assumption that more is better for expeditioning. A 40 hole rim seems way overbuilt for front wheels for someone your size. With a 26-inch wheel, 40h in the rear also seems excessive. Here's another consideration: I had a nice, custom 40h rear wheel on my Bombadil during one tour. When the rim self- destructed due to a manufacturing defect, I was hard-pressed to find an easily available replacement rim on which I could use my expensive 40h hub. I ended up using a cheap ( $100) 36h wheel for the last half of the tour and it worked just as well as the $400 wheel it replaced. Save yourself some money for panniers, etc. You could go with a cheaper front wheel at least. With tires as nice as the Scwalbe Supremes and the versatility of fatter tires, I really don't see any reason to run thinner tires for loaded touring or rough riding unless your bike won't accommodate the fat ones. Dave On Jan 28, 2:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
Can anything sum up the two shops better than the soap swap? Grant gave me a bar of the pine tar soap he sells. I can't say I was taken by the scent, reminiscent of a forest fire, though it's very very effective and definitely manly. I sent Grant a chunk of Savon de Marseille, an artisanal and traditional French olive oil based soap. On Feb 4, 10:42 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Certainly both Riv and VO try to find their own niches in this small part of the cycling business, but I find a lot of commonality between the two. I think Grant seems to favor the tried and true proven stuff while VO seems to like to experiment with new versions using cheaper Taiwanese mfgers ~Mike On Feb 4, 5:55 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. That is my understanding. The BOBs may have to chime in here, but I always thought Bridgestone in the Grant years was trying to translate at scale what the small, Francophile Japanese shops (such as Toei) Jitensha championed were doing. On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
I think Grant seems to favor the tried and true proven stuff while VO seems to like to experiment with new versions using cheaper Taiwanese mfgers VO experiments with manufacturers, true. But most of the VO branded components are highly derivative. Most VO racks, brakes, brake levers, cranks, pedals have French counterparts from as early as the 1950s. The geometry of VO bikes is classic French. On the other hand, Riv has some fairly novel items such as the Platrack, splats, and was very happy to shift to the rapidrise rear derailer (although Riv appears to be out of stock at the moment). On Feb 4, 9:42 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Certainly both Riv and VO try to find their own niches in this small part of the cycling business, but I find a lot of commonality between the two. I think Grant seems to favor the tried and true proven stuff while VO seems to like to experiment with new versions using cheaper Taiwanese mfgers ~Mike On Feb 4, 5:55 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. That is my understanding. The BOBs may have to chime in here, but I always thought Bridgestone in the Grant years was trying to translate at scale what the small, Francophile Japanese shops (such as Toei) Jitensha championed were doing. On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
Jitensha is a design studio. Hiroshi is somewhat legendary, as a designer, in the Japanese style of classic Frenchy cyclotouring and randonneuring bicycles and Italian-esque road machines. Its a fantastic place, but not a bike shop. Been on Bancroft for 30 years, Grant hung out there when he worked at the Berkeley REI, according to myth. Rivendell, as we all know, is a place that does Good Things while offering all-rounders. I love the loyalty to Nitto, providing work for bagmakers and textile operations in the US and UK, and persistent resistance to the governing force in contemporary global capitalism known as race to the bottom -- in terms of price, quality of product and materials, work conditions, pay for workers, etc. I'm really proud to buy stuff from Riv and ride their bikes. I like how the Rene Herse and Compass offer really high-quality rando- specific parts for us crazy people. I am also lucky to have a high-quality LBS, Velo Cult, in my area and support them. Up the road in Oceanside, Pacific Coast Cycles is pretty great, too Esteban San Diego, California On Feb 4, 7:50 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Can anything sum up the two shops better than the soap swap? Grant gave me a bar of the pine tar soap he sells. I can't say I was taken by the scent, reminiscent of a forest fire, though it's very very effective and definitely manly. I sent Grant a chunk of Savon de Marseille, an artisanal and traditional French olive oil based soap. On Feb 4, 10:42 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Certainly both Riv and VO try to find their own niches in this small part of the cycling business, but I find a lot of commonality between the two. I think Grant seems to favor the tried and true proven stuff while VO seems to like to experiment with new versions using cheaper Taiwanese mfgers ~Mike On Feb 4, 5:55 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. That is my understanding. The BOBs may have to chime in here, but I always thought Bridgestone in the Grant years was trying to translate at scale what the small, Francophile Japanese shops (such as Toei) Jitensha championed were doing. On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
Joel I agree. It is a matter of preference. I love having nice parts on my bikes whenever possible. Perhaps you are also right that the weight of 4 more spokes is insignificant. I haven't compared the weights of my 40h and 36h rear wheels, so I don't know. I also agree that choosing what goes into your panniers is the most significant factor in overall weight (other than body weight). However, aren't 40h hubs (Phil or otherwise) generally quite a bit more expensive than 36h Shimano XT's? The latter work just fine for extended touring. For folks on any kind of a budget, who want to have strong, functional gear, it makes sense not to overbuild with expensive parts when less expensive, but good quality parts will do. In my field (adventure/outdoor education), I see a lot of folks, mainly middle-aged people like me, who delay their dream adventures in order to purchase the best tools for those adventures. The cost for many is having to work longer to pay for the experience instead of taking the TIME for the actual experience. Sadly, for some people, planning and buying gear is the extent of their progress towards their dream trip. That said, I also think that planning and buying gear are fun and valid parts of the overall experience of adventuring - but they're not THE adventure. OK, I'm ranging waaay off topic here and I'll stop. Gary, did you get your answer?? Dave On Feb 4, 8:49 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. It is a matter of preference. 40h rims are not more expensive than 36h. A lot of choices on what goes into the panniers are going to have far more impact on weight than 4 spokes. I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. On Feb 4, 9:38 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. I weigh about 190lbs .If you use good stiff rims ( Dyad's in my case), thr right spokes and fat tires a 36 hole rim is plenty. ~Mike On Feb 4, 7:29 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Gary I weigh 205 and I run the stock 26 rims on my Long Haul Trucker with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (26x50). As I wrote in another post, the fatter tires are now my choice for all loaded tours. I know you didn't ask about your choice of 40h rims, but I thought I might add some unsolicited advice. I have never had a well-built, 36- hole wheel fail on a tour - poor stock rims, yes - but not handbuilt wheels. I think lots of folks make the assumption that more is better for expeditioning. A 40 hole rim seems way overbuilt for front wheels for someone your size. With a 26-inch wheel, 40h in the rear also seems excessive. Here's another consideration: I had a nice, custom 40h rear wheel on my Bombadil during one tour. When the rim self- destructed due to a manufacturing defect, I was hard-pressed to find an easily available replacement rim on which I could use my expensive 40h hub. I ended up using a cheap ( $100) 36h wheel for the last half of the tour and it worked just as well as the $400 wheel it replaced. Save yourself some money for panniers, etc. You could go with a cheaper front wheel at least. With tires as nice as the Scwalbe Supremes and the versatility of fatter tires, I really don't see any reason to run thinner tires for loaded touring or rough riding unless your bike won't accommodate the fat ones. Dave On Jan 28, 2:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fat tire comparison table (26 and 700C)
Yes I can attest to the speed of the 38mm Schwalbe M Racer, I was very impressed. I've sold my Hillborne that had them, but I 'd like to pick up the 30 or 35's for either my Ram or Coho Randonneuse in the future. The Schwalbe M Supreme came out with much rolling resistance than I thought it would? Thanks for posting this Gernot ~Mike On Feb 4, 7:36 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Well, they did, in 700x40C and 45C for sure, but are discontinued in the States, but apparently still available in Europe? Gernot On Feb 4, 10:23 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Agree... The EZ Rides are a nice, durable, reasonably low-resistance tire... They remind me of observed trials tires, with their tightly- spaced, slightly flattened knobbies... I have put these on a few bikes. In fact, even though I have turned into somewhat of a Schwalbe groupie (with more pairs of Big Apples and Fat Franks than I care to admit), for a long, multi-day, mixted terrain endurance ride I think I'd take the EZ Rides... (I wonder if they make them in a 700c?) BB On Feb 3, 12:56 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: These tests are all from 2006, from a German bike touring magazine, and list actual weight (Gewicht), actual width (Breite) (presumably on the same rim; hey, this is a German rag), rolling resistance (Rollwiderstand), puncture resistance (Durchstich), and what I assume is pinch flat resistance (Durchschlag). Unfortunately I have no idea how they tested the last 3. http://www.radreise-magazin.de/pdfs/2006_reifentest.pdf I recently bought some Kenda Kwickroller EZ Rides on close-out on the recommendation of Garth from the list, and have been very pleased with their low rolling resistance and weight, and no flats so far, either. Can't find them anymore, though. Should have stocked up. :( Enjoy, Gernot- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tech Feature: The Work Of Wheel Energy | Cyclingnews.com
I think the notion that the racing world is driven by lemming like conformance is simply not true. The major teams and manufacturers test and analysis the performance of their equipment, including tires, to achieve the results needed for a particular race. Here's a link to an article that shows some of the tire performance testing being used by the Cervelo Team: http://www.bikeradar.com/Road/news/article/cervelo-testteam-get-testing-in-belgium-25190 Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Feb 3, 4:45 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Not that this will change anything in the racer/wannbe racer world... which I believe is more driven by marketing hype than (real?) test data. Faster or not the fatter tires make for a more comfortable ride and provide the stability for off road excursions. I'm just glad that the Riv bikes have the capability to run the fatter tires! ~Mike On Feb 3, 12:18 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Lab confirmation of BQ's results from their road tests a while back. Good stuff. dougP On Feb 3, 10:21 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Saw this on the Randon list and thought it would be of interest here. Basic conclusion is that wider tires roll faster than narrow tires, based on extensive lab testing. http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tech-feature-the-work-of-wheel-en... --Eric Norriswww.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 07:49 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. Overkill in the sense of being unnecessary, perhaps. However, you have lost something. Chances are, you could find a 36 hole rim in 700C, anyway, most anywhere, but finding a 40 hole rim might be about as difficult as finding a 650B rim. Not impossible, of course, but not as easy. Of course, those Maxicar hubs use freewheels, and they're not as easy to find as cassettes, either. If one failed on a tour you might be hard pressed to find a replacement -- even more so if French threaded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
Dave: However, aren't 40h hubs (Phil or otherwise) generally quite a bit more expensive than 36h Shimano XT's? That is a good point. While 40h rims are not more expensive, if you are buying new hubs the market for 40h is small enough you will pay premium. NOS (and even good condition used) MaxiCar hubs are always going to come at cost. I did not think about current manufacturers when I posted my earlier reply. taking the TIME for the actual experience. Sadly, for some people, planning and buying gear is the extent of their progress towards their dream trip. That said, I also think that planning and buying gear are fun and valid parts of the overall experience of adventuring - but they're not THE adventure. Also a good point. I will heartily recommend MaxiCars to anyone who can find a set. That said, the lack of MaxiCars should never keep someone from going on tour! On Feb 4, 10:19 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Joel I agree. It is a matter of preference. I love having nice parts on my bikes whenever possible. Perhaps you are also right that the weight of 4 more spokes is insignificant. I haven't compared the weights of my 40h and 36h rear wheels, so I don't know. I also agree that choosing what goes into your panniers is the most significant factor in overall weight (other than body weight). However, aren't 40h hubs (Phil or otherwise) generally quite a bit more expensive than 36h Shimano XT's? The latter work just fine for extended touring. For folks on any kind of a budget, who want to have strong, functional gear, it makes sense not to overbuild with expensive parts when less expensive, but good quality parts will do. In my field (adventure/outdoor education), I see a lot of folks, mainly middle-aged people like me, who delay their dream adventures in order to purchase the best tools for those adventures. The cost for many is having to work longer to pay for the experience instead of taking the TIME for the actual experience. Sadly, for some people, planning and buying gear is the extent of their progress towards their dream trip. That said, I also think that planning and buying gear are fun and valid parts of the overall experience of adventuring - but they're not THE adventure. OK, I'm ranging waaay off topic here and I'll stop. Gary, did you get your answer?? Dave On Feb 4, 8:49 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. It is a matter of preference. 40h rims are not more expensive than 36h. A lot of choices on what goes into the panniers are going to have far more impact on weight than 4 spokes. I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. On Feb 4, 9:38 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. I weigh about 190lbs .If you use good stiff rims ( Dyad's in my case), thr right spokes and fat tires a 36 hole rim is plenty. ~Mike On Feb 4, 7:29 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Gary I weigh 205 and I run the stock 26 rims on my Long Haul Trucker with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (26x50). As I wrote in another post, the fatter tires are now my choice for all loaded tours. I know you didn't ask about your choice of 40h rims, but I thought I might add some unsolicited advice. I have never had a well-built, 36- hole wheel fail on a tour - poor stock rims, yes - but not handbuilt wheels. I think lots of folks make the assumption that more is better for expeditioning. A 40 hole rim seems way overbuilt for front wheels for someone your size. With a 26-inch wheel, 40h in the rear also seems excessive. Here's another consideration: I had a nice, custom 40h rear wheel on my Bombadil during one tour. When the rim self- destructed due to a manufacturing defect, I was hard-pressed to find an easily available replacement rim on which I could use my expensive 40h hub. I ended up using a cheap ( $100) 36h wheel for the last half of the tour and it worked just as well as the $400 wheel it replaced. Save yourself some money for panniers, etc. You could go with a cheaper front wheel at least. With tires as nice as the Scwalbe Supremes and the versatility of fatter tires, I really don't see any reason to run thinner tires for loaded touring or rough riding unless your bike won't accommodate the fat ones. Dave On Jan 28, 2:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels
[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly?
I'm hoping to come up from Portland and would prefer the early ferry as well. Joyce On Feb 3, 11:26 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Okay, everyone: Seattle ferry times are 7:55, 8:45, 9:35 and 10:35 a.m. I personally would prefer the 7:55 time. Anyone prefer different? Ryan On Feb 3, 10:19 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: I just registered. Last time I did it was 20 years ago--should be a good challenge for me. See you all at the ferry! Rob in Seattle On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Benedikt wrote: Any Seattle Riv owners plan on riding Chilly Hilly this year? Or non Seattle Riv owners? http://shop.cascade.org/content/events/chilly-hilly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
I have a set of 40h Phil Wood/Velocity Dyad wheels that Jim (Hiawatha Cyclery) built for me last summer on my Atlantis. I've put hundreds of miles on them now; many of which have been on gravel and even a few light trails. These wheels seem completely bomb proof so far. And I'm around 230 pounds these days.They replaced a set of 36h Shimano XT/Sun RhynoLite wheels that I was having spoke breakage issues with. They certainly don't seem excessively heavy and I like the security of having the extra spokes. Plus wheels with lots of spokes look really cool in a rugged sort of way in my opinion. Shaun Meehan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tech Feature: The Work Of Wheel Energy | Cyclingnews.com
It's encouraging that some of these myths are being challenged and Cervleo looks like they are taking a scientific approach to some aspects of their equipment. No one would deny though that there is a marketing perspective that creeps into some decisions because that is what pays the bills... the sale of new bicycles. While I would be the 1st to embrace new technology that is/works better, it seems that planned obsolescence ( no. of cogs for example) is done strictly with an eye towards selling new bikes and components. ~Mike On Feb 4, 8:35 am, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I think the notion that the racing world is driven by lemming like conformance is simply not true. The major teams and manufacturers test and analysis the performance of their equipment, including tires, to achieve the results needed for a particular race. Here's a link to an article that shows some of the tire performance testing being used by the Cervelo Team: http://www.bikeradar.com/Road/news/article/cervelo-testteam-get-testi... Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Feb 3, 4:45 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Not that this will change anything in the racer/wannbe racer world... which I believe is more driven by marketing hype than (real?) test data. Faster or not the fatter tires make for a more comfortable ride and provide the stability for off road excursions. I'm just glad that the Riv bikes have the capability to run the fatter tires! ~Mike On Feb 3, 12:18 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Lab confirmation of BQ's results from their road tests a while back. Good stuff. dougP On Feb 3, 10:21 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Saw this on the Randon list and thought it would be of interest here. Basic conclusion is that wider tires roll faster than narrow tires, based on extensive lab testing. http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tech-feature-the-work-of-wheel-en... --Eric Norriswww.campyonly.com campyonlyguy.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Protovelo with paint
As many of you know, I've been happily riding my Nobilette-made Protovelo since 2008 in RCP. Time for paint! I was originally considering Pea-Sage Green, seriously considered one- color Navy, and went with chocolate brown and creme accents - as it is a Rivendell after all, if a prototype. Perhaps professorial? The Riv painter does a great job! http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5415949833/in/set-72157604736650031/ Running it for the So Cal Riv Ride with Hetres, then onto fenders and perhaps Lierres. http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/color-is-nice/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly?
Yeah I dig the 7:55 ferry. On Feb 3, 10:26 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Okay, everyone: Seattle ferry times are 7:55, 8:45, 9:35 and 10:35 a.m. I personally would prefer the 7:55 time. Anyone prefer different? Ryan On Feb 3, 10:19 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: I just registered. Last time I did it was 20 years ago--should be a good challenge for me. See you all at the ferry! Rob in Seattle On Jan 23, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Benedikt wrote: Any Seattle Riv owners plan on riding Chilly Hilly this year? Or non Seattle Riv owners? http://shop.cascade.org/content/events/chilly-hilly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
I've owned lots of Paselas over the years and only had sidewall trouble with one, a 700/28 Tourguard folding that I bought a couple of summers ago. It immediately developed a bulge that grew over the course of a 70 or so mile ride. I was able to exchange it as defective though, and the replacement (same model/size) was fine... ...so you might try exchanging your bulged tire for a new one. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
Of course, those Maxicar hubs use freewheels, and they're not as easy to find as cassettes, either. If one failed on a tour you might be hard pressed to find a replacement -- even more so if French threaded. I have been a mad MaxiCar collector (horder?) for years now. The two wheel sets I have built up - the instant 700 touring set and a set for my forthcoming 650b are BSA. The French threads stay on my display shelf. If you are following strict deadlines on your tour, getting a new freewheel or rim may be an issue. I have never - and do not currently have plans to - toured anywhere FedEx and UPS do not serve. If I ever get stuck in nowhereville for a day or two, I am sure I can make the most of it. On Feb 4, 10:54 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 07:49 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. Overkill in the sense of being unnecessary, perhaps. However, you have lost something. Chances are, you could find a 36 hole rim in 700C, anyway, most anywhere, but finding a 40 hole rim might be about as difficult as finding a 650B rim. Not impossible, of course, but not as easy. Of course, those Maxicar hubs use freewheels, and they're not as easy to find as cassettes, either. If one failed on a tour you might be hard pressed to find a replacement -- even more so if French threaded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Protovelo with paint
Very nice. I love the ghetto-fab background! --Eric N On Feb 4, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you know, I've been happily riding my Nobilette-made Protovelo since 2008 in RCP. Time for paint! I was originally considering Pea-Sage Green, seriously considered one- color Navy, and went with chocolate brown and creme accents - as it is a Rivendell after all, if a prototype. Perhaps professorial? The Riv painter does a great job! http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5415949833/in/set-72157604736650031/ Running it for the So Cal Riv Ride with Hetres, then onto fenders and perhaps Lierres. http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/color-is-nice/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Protovelo with paint
As the kids say: That's SICK! It looks similar to my buddy Doug's AHH: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4842039336/in/set-72157624493476161/ On Feb 4, 10:57 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you know, I've been happily riding my Nobilette-made Protovelo since 2008 in RCP. Time for paint! I was originally considering Pea-Sage Green, seriously considered one- color Navy, and went with chocolate brown and creme accents - as it is a Rivendell after all, if a prototype. Perhaps professorial? The Riv painter does a great job! http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5415949833/in/set-721576047... Running it for the So Cal Riv Ride with Hetres, then onto fenders and perhaps Lierres. http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/color-is-nice/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
Some think 40 and 48 holes are excessive for loaded touring. Indeed, many have crossed the country with 36 holes. Also, many get along without health insurance. I crossed the U.S.A. with 40 front and 48 rear and never gave the wheels a thought. I knew that if one or even two spokes broke I had insurance, 39 or 47 spokes remaining. I believe that the wheels would still be reasonable true. On Jan 28, 1:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
There is a difference between 26 and 700C wheels and a difference between box and V shaped rims. A 26 wheel will always be stronger than a 700c wheel with the same # of spokes and equal wheel building skill. A V shaped rim will always be stronger than a box rim of similar metal. A 700C, 36 spoke rim typical box rim would not be strong enough to tour on a tandem, but a 26 wheel with 36 spokes and a sturdy V shaped rim is strong enough to support the 400 lbs that two riders, and a 40+lb touring bike create. Similarly, a 1.6 (38 mm) tire can provide a comfortable ride with little fear of pinch flats for such a load on almost all road surfaces ( off road is another issue all together.) So if you are touring with a heavy load on 700C rims, then 40 or 48 spoke wheels are probably a good idea; but on 26 wheels, it is an expensive overkill. Of course no one can ever guarantee that you will never have a flat, break a spoke, or dent a rim. That's why it's called adventure cycling. Several years ago I rode with a group of 10 across the Cumberland Gap - 185 miles from Cumberland to DC ( with a great ending dinner at Copi's Organic in DC) Eight people rode mountain bikes with 26 wheels and 2+ tires and two of us rode 700c x 38. There were two flats along the way, both in heavy 2+ tires. Go figure. Since it rained for two days we also learned that the 38s actually did just as well in the mud as to 50s. Also the other 9 riders learned why bicycles should have fenders. They were astonished that i wasn't covered in mud! I got up very early one morning and cleaned all their bikes and re-lubed their chains. michael On Feb 4, 3:33 pm, SISDDWG dgen...@gmail.com wrote: Some think 40 and 48 holes are excessive for loaded touring. Indeed, many have crossed the country with 36 holes. Also, many get along without health insurance. I crossed the U.S.A. with 40 front and 48 rear and never gave the wheels a thought. I knew that if one or even two spokes broke I had insurance, 39 or 47 spokes remaining. I believe that the wheels would still be reasonable true. On Jan 28, 1:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pasela sidewall failure: Damage or manufacturing defect?
This confirms my experience. I have had great luck with some pasellas and not so much with other. The side walls on the Tserve are much more reliable. I have wondered if ultraviolet exposure effects the roly-poly, speedblend, and pasella side walls? michael On Feb 3, 9:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've had that problem with multiple Pasela tires. I've had better luck with T-Serves. I'm pretty much all about Schwalbe tires now. I'm not sure what tire I'll use for randonneuring this year, I imagine T- Serves which, in spite of being heavier seem to hold up better. I got a big sidewall tear in a T-Serve but that was after a year and a half of pretty heavy use. The tear also seemed to be initiated by something environmental as opposed to just coming apart. I feel like there's never much talk about Continental tires. I used some Conti Contacts years ago and they seemed to be pretty nice although did not run true to size. I had tires marked 37 that seemed more like 33 or so. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Protovelo with paint
On Feb 4, 10:57 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps professorial? You should have had it painted tweed. Or rather, wrapped in the fabric used on the NS bags. I imagine that you'll be putting white Hertes on it? Beautiful bike. I'm glad you held onto it. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Protovelo with paint
You must be rollin in bikes to have a Nobilette built commuter! the blue looks especially nice against the brown. So you'll have a commuter, brevet bike, travel bike, single speed, and your Kogswell. what about a racked camper or all-rounder? Or an off road dedicated machine? I'm guessing there is more to come...one of Sky's new bikes maybe? Of course a gentleman never discusses his special pleasures. ~Mike On Feb 4, 11:55 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: As the kids say: That's SICK! It looks similar to my buddy Doug's AHH: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4842039336/in/set-721576244... On Feb 4, 10:57 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you know, I've been happily riding my Nobilette-made Protovelo since 2008 in RCP. Time for paint! I was originally considering Pea-Sage Green, seriously considered one- color Navy, and went with chocolate brown and creme accents - as it is a Rivendell after all, if a prototype. Perhaps professorial? The Riv painter does a great job! http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5415949833/in/set-721576047... Running it for the So Cal Riv Ride with Hetres, then onto fenders and perhaps Lierres. http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/color-is-nice/ Esteban San Diego, Calif.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
Speaking of Pineapple Bob and Jitensha—check out this recent storyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/boxdogbikes/5373227717/in/faves-natan/ (in the comments) about a sticker that ended up on my new-to-me Ebisuhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/sets/72157625746148803/detail/ . -nathan On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:55 PM, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Wool Synaptic Cycles Cycling Caps
I apologize for the commercialness of this announcement, but I designed these with y'all in mind (the logo was even designed by our a fellow Riv/Bober-Jon Grant): See the description and pics here: http://synapticcycles.com/2011/02/new-wool-cycling-caps/ Please contact me directly if interested. I have limited supply initially and I am still trying to work out the kinks in my online store. Thanks, Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. www.synapticcycles.com 949-374-6079 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Protovelo with paint
It's a perfect color for 'coffee rides'. -JimD How bout a photo in front of your favorite coffee spot. On Feb 4, 2011, at 10:57 AM Feb 4, 2011, Esteban wrote: As many of you know, I've been happily riding my Nobilette-made Protovelo since 2008 in RCP. Time for paint! I was originally considering Pea-Sage Green, seriously considered one- color Navy, and went with chocolate brown and creme accents - as it is a Rivendell after all, if a prototype. Perhaps professorial? The Riv painter does a great job! http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5415949833/in/set-72157604736650031/ Running it for the So Cal Riv Ride with Hetres, then onto fenders and perhaps Lierres. http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/color-is-nice/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners- bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Atlantis seatpost binder bolt nut size
For a nice quiet winter project, I took apart my Atlantis to clean it really well and somehow managed to misplace the seatpost binder bolt and nut. I know, you would have thought I'd have put all of the small parts in little zip loc bags and marked each of them with a Sharpie where they went, right? Well,I did. But the bag with the seatpost binder bolt is gone. Does anyone know off the top of their head (no need to disassemble your bike) what the proper size of that nut and bolt are? Thanks for your help! Wally p.s.: And yes, I'm sure the bolt will turn up just the moment I return from the store with a replacement. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Protovelo with paint
I was ready to list a never built up 64cm custom protevolo Nobilette built powder coated frame on eBay today until I saw how great this freshly painted brown beauty looks. Now second guessing by plan, what to do what to do. Thanks for inspiring me to the point of confusion. Wish I was shorter or the bike was bigger no sense repainting a stunning frame just not quite the right size. If I pass on the Riv. The lucky new owner can struggle with the decision whether to repaint this or not. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] new sweaters/vests
http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/324 For the rivhq gang - does anyone know the type of sheep the wool comes from? Inquiring minds (like my knitting significant other) want to know. I'm curious where they're being made. Love the ben franklin sweater. Will probably buy 2 of them just for me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Protovelo with paint
While I think the RPC is really cool, the new paint is beautiful! I would have never thought of dark brown with blue decals; but it's unique and very nice combination. On Feb 4, 1:57 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you know, I've been happily riding my Nobilette-made Protovelo since 2008 in RCP. Time for paint! I was originally considering Pea-Sage Green, seriously considered one- color Navy, and went with chocolate brown and creme accents - as it is a Rivendell after all, if a prototype. Perhaps professorial? The Riv painter does a great job! http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5415949833/in/set-721576047... Running it for the So Cal Riv Ride with Hetres, then onto fenders and perhaps Lierres. http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/color-is-nice/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
