Re: [RBW] Watter bottle recommendations?
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 18:45 -0700, Leslie wrote: Maybe I'm too pessimistic. I usually think of myself as being overly optimistic, but, I really wouldn't see paying 'more' for a frame than what it originally cost. In which case, I hope you never get the urge to have a Herse or a Singer or even a Jack Taylor, because there is absolutely zero chance you would ever find one going for what one cost new. A Schwinn P15 Paramount in July 1971 cost $352. What is one worth now? What is a new XTR M900 crank set worth? Ten years ago, you could find one NOS for around $185. Last week, one was available on ebay for $500. I bought my Mafac RAID brakes for around $60, NOS around 6 years ago, when there was still a supply of them. These days, a NOS RAID brake set will cost you a couple of hundred dollars, if you can find one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
+1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
Interesting topic indeed. I'm pretty new to the 'dell so I don't have much historical perspective or data to add. One idea, though - would it be any use to have the Group admin set up a database where we could list transactions in used Rivs? I know of other collector groups that do something similar... you can enter data as either buyer or seller, or as a 3rd party (ie, I saw this one sold on ebay...) as long it is clearly stated -Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oeTGWIN96eoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] OT: Bike Storage
Hello, I've moved to a new, smaller apartment, but with very high ceilings. So, Given that my wife and I have 4 bikes, including 2 Rivs, we've decided to go the bike hoist route. These are the devices that fix to a joist in the ceiling that allow the bike to be lifted up and locked in. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular units? Thanks in advance, Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
OK this cinches it. I'm keeping the 61 cm Bleriot frame that hangs from the rafters in my garage. the Bleriot's components went to outfit a Saluki. Who knew it would become a collectors item? Of course if the 'recession' carries on all bets are off. -JimD On Jun 14, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Brett Lindenbach wrote: I bought a 59 cm Blériot frame and fork in very good condition on ebay late last year, and paid $910. That was the market rate on that day, and I was almost outbid. I was glad to pay it too, as it is a great frameset. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cFvyxU9mjO0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: And Summer Begins.
Agreed. I find that after spending 9 months pulling 12hr days grading papers and providing Johnny and Susie every extra-curricular advantage possible so they can get a scholarship to go to Harvard, much less the continuing ed requirements and PD, I don't feel too guilty about my summer time. As for cycling, more please. More S24Os. More gravel. More mileage. And a SS century on the QB. Not quite sure why (and totally off topic) but that statement makes me feel a bit defensive, though I acknowledge the current economic/ political/education climate has me testy in general, so I may be reading in more than was intended. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touch-up for Orange Sam Hill
From the archives: For touching-up we've found the following recipe to work well: 3 drops of Orange Pearl Colors by Boyd from Testor's 1 drop of 1114 Yellow by Testors As with any re-touch, it won't be 100% as good as new, but this is just about as perfect as can be expected. And for making the surface smooth ... well lots of thin layers (and patience) is the best approach. On Jun 13, 4:52 pm, danmc djmcnam...@gmail.com wrote: Any recommends for nail polish or Testors model paint for touching up an orange Hillbourne? Thanks! Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. I use them in king cages and they don't rattle once you size the cage properly. Alternatively put a rubber band about 3/4s of the way up the top of the bottle and it will stop any noises. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I bought the Iris cages on the recommendation of this list for use with KK bottles. The Iris cages hold them perfectly. No rattling at all. These are really perfect cages. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
I find this idea a litlte counter to the spirit of Rivendell in general as it seems like these bikes were always meant to be ridden and beat-up. If you really want to see the price of things you can get a sense of it from the archives, but the ranges that people have been throwing out are pretty accurate i think On Jun 15, 9:39 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting topic indeed. I'm pretty new to the 'dell so I don't have much historical perspective or data to add. One idea, though - would it be any use to have the Group admin set up a database where we could list transactions in used Rivs? I know of other collector groups that do something similar... you can enter data as either buyer or seller, or as a 3rd party (ie, I saw this one sold on ebay...) as long it is clearly stated -Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
On Jun 15, 7:17 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 18:45 -0700, Leslie wrote: Maybe I'm too pessimistic. I usually think of myself as being overly optimistic, but, I really wouldn't see paying 'more' for a frame than what it originally cost. In which case, I hope you never get the urge to have a Herse or a Singer or even a Jack Taylor, because there is absolutely zero chance you would ever find one going for what one cost new. A Schwinn P15 Paramount in July 1971 cost $352. What is one worth now? What is a new XTR M900 crank set worth? Ten years ago, you could find one NOS for around $185. Last week, one was available on ebay for $500. I bought my Mafac RAID brakes for around $60, NOS around 6 years ago, when there was still a supply of them. These days, a NOS RAID brake set will cost you a couple of hundred dollars, if you can find one. No, I have no urge to have any of those; however, it's not like you can watch Rene putting one together now, can you? At a certain point, yes, a collector value on turn the price decline around, and things will start to be worth more.It enters the 'antique' market, as would cars. At one point, old Mustangs were just an older car, and not worth a lot, but, now they are.That's what those bikes are, they're old enough to have a collectable value. Rivendell started in '94.They're not old enough yet.When my Rambouillet is has many decades under its belt, then maybe I might expect the price to go up, but, that's not why I bought a Riv I bought it to ride -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
I don't post much but do have some comments here. I was talking last week with Rivendell about the purchase of a Betty Foy or the possibility of a custom Hunqapillar type mixte. I currently ride a 48 cm Hunqa and have an original never built 52cm mixte hanging in the rafters. I ride very upright and would like a little higher handlebar position than the Hunqa provides - thus the discussion about a 58 cm Betty or a custom mixte with a high handlebar position. I now have my doubts that the 52 mixte would provide any higher handle bar position than the Hunqa. Anyway - my point - Keven said if I sold the mixte not to take less than to $2000 - and also offered $1600 on a trade toward a custom - which is what I paid for it several years ago. Charlie PS: The mixte is not for sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
You mean you have a new Glorius/ Wilbury hanging in your garage? Do you have any pics? These bikes seem to have just disappeared and attained an almost mythical status-- I knew a guy who knew a guy who once rode with a guy who had one. Cheers! cm On Jun 15, 10:31 am, Charlie cromano...@cox.net wrote: I don't post much but do have some comments here. I was talking last week with Rivendell about the purchase of a Betty Foy or the possibility of a custom Hunqapillar type mixte. I currently ride a 48 cm Hunqa and have an original never built 52cm mixte hanging in the rafters. I ride very upright and would like a little higher handlebar position than the Hunqa provides - thus the discussion about a 58 cm Betty or a custom mixte with a high handlebar position. I now have my doubts that the 52 mixte would provide any higher handle bar position than the Hunqa. Anyway - my point - Keven said if I sold the mixte not to take less than to $2000 - and also offered $1600 on a trade toward a custom - which is what I paid for it several years ago. Charlie PS: The mixte is not for sale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Bike Storage
Just FYI, I also live in an apartment, and just hang my bikes on hooks that I screwed into the ceiling. They were maybe $2 each from Home Depot, covered in rubber. I am pretty tall and am able to reach the bike up to hang it on the hooks. Works for me, and haven't had any problems with wheels bending or anything like that. Has worked for me. On Jun 15, 10:31 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've moved to a new, smaller apartment, but with very high ceilings. So, Given that my wife and I have 4 bikes, including 2 Rivs, we've decided to go the bike hoist route. These are the devices that fix to a joist in the ceiling that allow the bike to be lifted up and locked in. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular units? Thanks in advance, Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I've been using them for over a year with no issues, rattles, noises or anything else. They're the best cages! Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:05 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I bought the Iris cages on the recommendation of this list for use with KK bottles. The Iris cages hold them perfectly. No rattling at all. These are really perfect cages. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
Maybe I'm being optimistic here (probably). But feel sorta like Rivendell owners are often more critical in their bike needs (in a good way). So are willing to pay a premium to get a specific bike. Not necessarily the vintage idea, which is a whole 'nother thing. But more towards the boutique end, yet still practical. Like a good Collings or Santa Cruz guitar, which holds value much better than a Martin or Gibson. On the udder hand (to milk it some more) not all bikes are the same to all folks. Personally might pay a premium for an old lugged Specialized Stumpjumper, while others would go meh. On the Rambouillet, it does nothing for me. However, I do like, nay love, the look of the AHH. My money would be for the latter. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 15, 10:27 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 15, 7:17 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 18:45 -0700, Leslie wrote: Maybe I'm too pessimistic. I usually think of myself as being overly optimistic, but, I really wouldn't see paying 'more' for a frame than what it originally cost. In which case, I hope you never get the urge to have a Herse or a Singer or even a Jack Taylor, because there is absolutely zero chance you would ever find one going for what one cost new. A Schwinn P15 Paramount in July 1971 cost $352. What is one worth now? What is a new XTR M900 crank set worth? Ten years ago, you could find one NOS for around $185. Last week, one was available on ebay for $500. I bought my Mafac RAID brakes for around $60, NOS around 6 years ago, when there was still a supply of them. These days, a NOS RAID brake set will cost you a couple of hundred dollars, if you can find one. No, I have no urge to have any of those; however, it's not like you can watch Rene putting one together now, can you? At a certain point, yes, a collector value on turn the price decline around, and things will start to be worth more. It enters the 'antique' market, as would cars. At one point, old Mustangs were just an older car, and not worth a lot, but, now they are. That's what those bikes are, they're old enough to have a collectable value. Rivendell started in '94. They're not old enough yet. When my Rambouillet is has many decades under its belt, then maybe I might expect the price to go up, but, that's not why I bought a Riv I bought it to ride- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
Well, not actually seen in person, but I did run across one that appears to be for sale at College Park Cycles. It has all the beefy qualities of the Bombadil, sans under or diaga tubes for those afflicted with that 'itis. Give Larry Black a call if you're in the mood. I love his shop - so much vintage candy dripping from the rafters, and it seems he may have a couple /few other Riv rides for sale too. http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_sbikesview.php?ID=3361 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Those Arundel cages look pretty nice, but it looks like I'd have to use a bottle with the indentation - whereas the King Iris might allow me to use a taller cylindrical stainless steel bottle, like the bigger Kleen Kanteens. I think I'll check one of those out. Thanks, all! And wow, I could have titled this thread a little better, heh... I must have had 3-watt dynamo lights on the brain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
You're right on both accounts. The Blériot was a steal to begin with, and there is no good replacement anywhere near in value. Also, because it was pulled from the market sooner than expected, I think there was less fatigue. One might argue that the Ram market suffers from Ram-fatigue. And, the Blériot fit a niche that hasn't been replaced, namely the 650 market. Sure, Rivendell still makes 650Bs, but only in smaller frame sizes. I ride a 59 cm, and they just don't make them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-AzRv5ol1WoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I was using another brand of SS bottle and yes, it did rattle a bit. I switched back to a plastic bottle (RBW-branded, just because). I missed the easy grip and being able to squeeze the bottle when drinking on the bike. So I'm slowly reverting back to my roadie ways. (Next, 120 psi--not.) Steve On Jun 15, 10:54 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
$352 in 1971 means rougly $1890 today... On Jun 15, 6:17 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 18:45 -0700, Leslie wrote: Maybe I'm too pessimistic. I usually think of myself as being overly optimistic, but, I really wouldn't see paying 'more' for a frame than what it originally cost. In which case, I hope you never get the urge to have a Herse or a Singer or even a Jack Taylor, because there is absolutely zero chance you would ever find one going for what one cost new. A Schwinn P15 Paramount in July 1971 cost $352. What is one worth now? What is a new XTR M900 crank set worth? Ten years ago, you could find one NOS for around $185. Last week, one was available on ebay for $500. I bought my Mafac RAID brakes for around $60, NOS around 6 years ago, when there was still a supply of them. These days, a NOS RAID brake set will cost you a couple of hundred dollars, if you can find one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: NOS Freewheel Cache
The Shimanos worth having IMO are the 600 and Dura Ace. The lower end ones are disposable. On Jun 14, 5:52 pm, Tim Whalen whalen...@gmail.com wrote: Newly sensitized to freewheels by the recent discussion here, I noticed a cache of some at a local bike shop. There are 6 - 8 Shimano 7 speeds, mostly 14-28 I think with a couple 14-34 widerangers and about 6 Suntour 5 speeds around 14-28. Prices were $20 - $22. No idea if this a find or not but put it out in case. Criterium Cycles, Colorado Springs, 719-599-0149. Hope this is helpful, Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
Leslie, No offense taken by me at all! I understand what you're saying about some people overpaying for nice-looking restored car, while more knowledgable folks know that there is an upper limit to reasonable prices for any given model. This may be similar to the pricing on the Ram we are discussing, but of course the final sale price will determine that (if we ever find out.) I'm also amazed by the high asking prices for some older bikes on CL. It may seem reasonable to the seller that if a $700 (when new) bike is like new, it should be worth $400 now. They don't realize that the technology has moved on so much in 10, 15 or 20 years, that their bike is pretty much obsolete to most buyers. I guess the fixed-gear/single-speed trend has been a boon to those selling older steel bikes. I'm just glad that I bought my Bleriot when I did, for what I paid. Steve On Jun 14, 9:45 pm, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 7:08 am, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: In view of the other thread about the nice Rambo for sale on CList, I thought I'd start a general discussion of used Riv prices. Just because it's kind of interesting. Someone on the other thread implied that it's not reasonable to compare the asking price of a used frame to the price of a new frame, esp. if it's a different model. I disagree. Long ago I had a job processing claims. The principles apply, I argue. To use my own example, you can't buy a new Bleriot. If you want a new Riv frame that's close to a Bleriot in geometry and function, you buy a Sam. Back when they were sold, Bleriots cost $750 (such a deal!). Today new Sams cost $1100 (?) or $1500, and that is a whole other discussion in itself. In my size (small), they cost $1500. So when I paid more than the original cost for my pristine Bleriot frame/fork, was I foolish? I don't think so. Riv frames in my size on the used market are not available all that often. So the other part of this equation is depreciation: the word that insurance companies love and claimants hate. I think you have to agree that most things, Riv frames included, depreciate. If you'd rather have a new frame out of the box from Walnut Creek than a used frame from Joe on eBay, that's depreciation. If the used frame has some paint chipping around the dropouts, that's.you get the picture. We can argue about how much to depreciate a Riv frame, or anything else. I wouldn't depreciate it down to 25% after say 10 years, like some claims payers might. So to wrap this up, my point is that it's reasonable to look at the price of a comparable new frame (bike), decide what kind of depreciation to apply to the used bike in question, and go from there. And of course the buyers emotions and wants play into this a good bit. I would have rather had an orange Sam with Hillborne graphics than the blue Bleriot. But it just wasn't worth nearly double the price to me. Cheers, Steve I suppose I should reply here, as it might very well be me that was implying that it's not quite appropriate to do a direct price comparison between a discontinued used model and a new current model. And, I should go ahead and say, anything I say isn't meant to offend, is simply my perspective, YMMV. I will agree, if you want to have insurance replace a bike with a very comparable brand/model, then sure, you can insure it for a declared amount to make sure that if stolen, you could go and replace it (ie, replace a Rambouillet with a Roadeo). That would be a $1600 frame, being replaced with a $2000 frame. And, I love my Rambouillet, it's an awesome bike. I really would like to think that, it'd be reasonable to expect that an insurance company would replace it with a brand new Roadeo if anything ever happened to it. And if I had an Atlantis that was a year or two old, maybe it'd not be too unreasonable to argue with insurance that they could just buy a new one to replace it. But, realistically, as soon as you drive a car off a lot, it's a used car. A few years later, once a company has replaced it with a new model, if I went to sell it, I wouldn't expect to set its price directly compared to a new car, I have to look at the price for which used ones of its same year are selling, regardless of the new model being the one that's most like it. I had a Subaru, a month old, 2nd payment not-yet-made on it, and it was rear-ended. Shouldn't have been totaled, but, as it was a new model that had just came out, the parts weren't available to repair it, they were all going into making new ones, so insurance decided to total it out instead. And I couldn't even get them to do a replacement on it with another. It had less miles on it than some new cars that have been test-driven a lot, and they still wouldn't. There is a lot of truth in that old statement, tho', that it's worth what someone will pay for it. I deal with
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
Two posts in one day for me. This is to Eric. If hanging next to the Wilbury mixte referenced a few messages above, there was a red, lugged, 19 1/2 inch, 1985 Stumpjumper frame and fork, made by Toyo (I think) - one owner - purchased new by me in 1985 - what sort of premium might one expect? Charlie Personally might pay a premium for an old lugged Specialized Stumpjumper, while others would go meh. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
Interesting. I've noticed Rivs going for considerably less here than on CL or eBay, prolly because this group has a better sense of what they are really worth. Prices also seem to vary considerably based on location. There are a lot of Rivs in the bay area for obvious reasons, so there is a decent supply of (and demand for) used frame sets and complete bikes. Actually throughout the west coast, with a strong pocket in the NW as well. At least with my limited experience trying to source on CL, west coast sellers only deal locally, won't even reply to an earnest inquiry from out of state. Where I live on the east coast Riv bikes are considerably more exotic, and the used bike market reflects that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HkLmLqmFkG0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I just checked.. the 20 oz Kleen Kanteen fits pretty perfectly into an Arundel, and doesn't wiggle around. Best, Andrew On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Karl Fundenberger wrote: Those Arundel cages look pretty nice, but it looks like I'd have to use a bottle with the indentation - whereas the King Iris might allow me to use a taller cylindrical stainless steel bottle, like the bigger Kleen Kanteens. I think I'll check one of those out. Thanks, all! And wow, I could have titled this thread a little better, heh... I must have had 3-watt dynamo lights on the brain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
on 6/15/11 10:32 AM, Marty at mgie...@mac.com wrote: Well, not actually seen in person, but I did run across one that appears to be for sale at College Park Cycles. It has all the beefy qualities of the Bombadil, sans under or diaga tubes for those afflicted with that 'itis. Give Larry Black a call if you're in the mood. I love his shop - so much vintage candy dripping from the rafters, and it seems he may have a couple /few other Riv rides for sale too. http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_sbikesview.php?ID=3361 There was a Rivendell Mountain early on. I've seen a couple images, and we had a thread or two about them a while back, but never seen one in the steel. I'm hoping there's some really odd lens distortion happening on that fork, because otherwise, it looks kind of off - I am trying to compensate for the early, less-curvy fork bend which does appear in this image: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/#mtnframe Anyone near enough College Park Cycles to snap another image or two? - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't... Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
It's possible that's al All-Rounder built up with MTB bars. I have a '96 A/R and the frame is nearly identical in all the little details that I could see. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
Agreed. the fork looks bent. Still a cool find though. On Jun 15, 2:14 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 6/15/11 10:32 AM, Marty at mgie...@mac.com wrote: Well, not actually seen in person, but I did run across one that appears to be for sale at College Park Cycles. It has all the beefy qualities of the Bombadil, sans under or diaga tubes for those afflicted with that 'itis. Give Larry Black a call if you're in the mood. I love his shop - so much vintage candy dripping from the rafters, and it seems he may have a couple /few other Riv rides for sale too. http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_sbikesview.php?ID=3361 There was a Rivendell Mountain early on. I've seen a couple images, and we had a thread or two about them a while back, but never seen one in the steel. I'm hoping there's some really odd lens distortion happening on that fork, because otherwise, it looks kind of off - I am trying to compensate for the early, less-curvy fork bend which does appear in this image: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/#mtnframe Anyone near enough College Park Cycles to snap another image or two? - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
The owner of the shop is Larry Black, nice person and I know him. If you are interested about this bike, I will email/call him directly. Don't be annoy if he takes longer to give you more information, he has thousand of bikes (no joke, I have seen them in person). It always take Larry some time to get back to you but I can assure you he is a straight shooter. On Jun 15, 11:14 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 6/15/11 10:32 AM, Marty at mgie...@mac.com wrote: Well, not actually seen in person, but I did run across one that appears to be for sale at College Park Cycles. It has all the beefy qualities of the Bombadil, sans under or diaga tubes for those afflicted with that 'itis. Give Larry Black a call if you're in the mood. I love his shop - so much vintage candy dripping from the rafters, and it seems he may have a couple /few other Riv rides for sale too. http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_sbikesview.php?ID=3361 There was a Rivendell Mountain early on. I've seen a couple images, and we had a thread or two about them a while back, but never seen one in the steel. I'm hoping there's some really odd lens distortion happening on that fork, because otherwise, it looks kind of off - I am trying to compensate for the early, less-curvy fork bend which does appear in this image: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/#mtnframe Anyone near enough College Park Cycles to snap another image or two? - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I have and daily enjoy my Klean Kanteens (sp?) both single and double wall bottles. The folks at the company seems to be great, too, it might be a family design and sourcing operation, except the bottles aren't made locally, as in the USA. They sent me a recall notice for one of my bottle caps, then sent me two replacements even though the cap I sent in wasn't defective, so I bought another Klean Kanteen. I'm using them in some Camelback neoprene sleeves in off bike use, and in my Quickbeam's bottle cages in on bike use. I got my Quickeam's cages from Velo Orange. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cages.html I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.comwrote: Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't... Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
[RBW] Re: OT: Bike Storage
I'm happy with the inexpensive pulley type system such as the Racor PBH-IR. After the last sheave the line goes through before leading to your hand there is a jamming lever that is manipulated by altering the angle of the line. The line will be leading down past your front wheel so you want to think about where to stand before hoisting away or you may have it on the wrong side of the front wheel. Next time I rig it I will add an additional block on the ceiling above the handlebars such that the last sheave with the jam feature will be located a bit farther away for a better fair lead. Mounting a sailboat jam cleat nearby can be handy for having both hands free to fuss with the bike in the middle of the operation. Once hoisted you will have a lot of line to coil up and stow someplace in a esthetically pleasing manner that will meet you S.O.'s standards of seamanship. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Bike Storage
Just an FYI, over time the rubber on those J hooks wears off, exposing the steel. It will start marring your rims cosmetically over time. Not the biggest worry in the world, but just a heads up. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Just FYI, I also live in an apartment, and just hang my bikes on hooks that I screwed into the ceiling. They were maybe $2 each from Home Depot, covered in rubber. I am pretty tall and am able to reach the bike up to hang it on the hooks. Works for me, and haven't had any problems with wheels bending or anything like that. Has worked for me. On Jun 15, 10:31 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've moved to a new, smaller apartment, but with very high ceilings. So, Given that my wife and I have 4 bikes, including 2 Rivs, we've decided to go the bike hoist route. These are the devices that fix to a joist in the ceiling that allow the bike to be lifted up and locked in. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular units? Thanks in advance, Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I've found the VO cages to be underwhelming in build quality - I've had 3 different styles (type I, II, and moderniste) and two of them have separated at the welds, and one of the three wasn't even close to true either - e.g. crooked lines set-up pre-weld (one of the type I/II - forget which). On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) wrote: I have and daily enjoy my Klean Kanteens (sp?) both single and double wall bottles. The folks at the company seems to be great, too, it might be a family design and sourcing operation, except the bottles aren't made locally, as in the USA. They sent me a recall notice for one of my bottle caps, then sent me two replacements even though the cap I sent in wasn't defective, so I bought another Klean Kanteen. I'm using them in some Camelback neoprene sleeves in off bike use, and in my Quickbeam's bottle cages in on bike use. I got my Quickeam's cages from Velo Orange. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cages.html I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't... Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For
[RBW] Montclair NJ Bike shop recommendation
Anyone have a recommendation for a bike shop in the Montclair NJ area that would understand the idea of restoring an old steal bike or that sells bikes in the Riv / Surly / Soma / etc. world? Thanks so much! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OT: Bike Storage
David - I had that happen on one set, and put some black gorilla tape over the rubber part. I guess it depends on how high your ceilings are too - mine are like 15 feet, and i have a rafter that comes down a foot or two that i have the hooks in, and I am 6'3. The bikes are too high for my 5'8 SO to safely be able to put the bikes up or take them down. If there was a zombie apocolypse and she needed the bike though, she could probably get it. On Jun 15, 4:11 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Just an FYI, over time the rubber on those J hooks wears off, exposing the steel. It will start marring your rims cosmetically over time. Not the biggest worry in the world, but just a heads up. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Just FYI, I also live in an apartment, and just hang my bikes on hooks that I screwed into the ceiling. They were maybe $2 each from Home Depot, covered in rubber. I am pretty tall and am able to reach the bike up to hang it on the hooks. Works for me, and haven't had any problems with wheels bending or anything like that. Has worked for me. On Jun 15, 10:31 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've moved to a new, smaller apartment, but with very high ceilings. So, Given that my wife and I have 4 bikes, including 2 Rivs, we've decided to go the bike hoist route. These are the devices that fix to a joist in the ceiling that allow the bike to be lifted up and locked in. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular units? Thanks in advance, Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Anyone have experience with the double-walled KK bottles in the Iris cages? I have used the VO Retro cages with leather on them, but they are all bent out of shape now and I am thinking of getting some new cages when I get my Sam next month. On Jun 15, 4:14 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've found the VO cages to be underwhelming in build quality - I've had 3 different styles (type I, II, and moderniste) and two of them have separated at the welds, and one of the three wasn't even close to true either - e.g. crooked lines set-up pre-weld (one of the type I/II - forget which). On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) wrote: I have and daily enjoy my Klean Kanteens (sp?) both single and double wall bottles. The folks at the company seems to be great, too, it might be a family design and sourcing operation, except the bottles aren't made locally, as in the USA. They sent me a recall notice for one of my bottle caps, then sent me two replacements even though the cap I sent in wasn't defective, so I bought another Klean Kanteen. I'm using them in some Camelback neoprene sleeves in off bike use, and in my Quickbeam's bottle cages in on bike use. I got my Quickeam's cages from Velo Orange. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cage... I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't... Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
My Velo Orange cages fell apart after a few short mile. Broken weld. My Kleen Kanteen's have no rattling AT ALL in my King Cage Iris. Both insulated and regular. On Jun 15, 1:14 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've found the VO cages to be underwhelming in build quality - I've had 3 different styles (type I, II, and moderniste) and two of them have separated at the welds, and one of the three wasn't even close to true either - e.g. crooked lines set-up pre-weld (one of the type I/II - forget which). On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) wrote: I have and daily enjoy my Klean Kanteens (sp?) both single and double wall bottles. The folks at the company seems to be great, too, it might be a family design and sourcing operation, except the bottles aren't made locally, as in the USA. They sent me a recall notice for one of my bottle caps, then sent me two replacements even though the cap I sent in wasn't defective, so I bought another Klean Kanteen. I'm using them in some Camelback neoprene sleeves in off bike use, and in my Quickbeam's bottle cages in on bike use. I got my Quickeam's cages from Velo Orange. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cage... I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't... Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] OT: Bike Storage
I've used the Topeak Dual Touch in two different apartments - works great. Currently holding a CantiRom and a Sam. :) Holds up to 4 bikes with optional extra hooks (best for 2). Doesn't mark floors or ceilings much, really good use of space for 2 bikes, at least. 3 or 4 require the pole to be more like 2.5 feet away from a wall instead of 1 or less, so limits your options for living space storage for more than 2. I've got mine pretty stiffly extended against a wooden (slanted) ceiling, and it's not shifted during a few small earthquakes I could feel :) Best, Andrew On Jun 15, 2011, at 7:31 AM, jandrews_nyc wrote: Hello, I've moved to a new, smaller apartment, but with very high ceilings. So, Given that my wife and I have 4 bikes, including 2 Rivs, we've decided to go the bike hoist route. These are the devices that fix to a joist in the ceiling that allow the bike to be lifted up and locked in. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular units? Thanks in advance, Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I replaced various pretty and expensive Nitto and lower end VO cages with the Irises and add my strong shout of approval to the last. 28 oz, double-wall stainless bottles broke the Nittos frequently and quickly and rattled most annoyingly with the two VO models; the Irises hold them tightly with minimal rattling and are much sturdier than the others. FWIW, check your local Target sports section, Starbuck's and grocery store and Walgreen's misc sections for cheap, 2-wall ss thermoses, sports bottles and coffee mugs: I've found at least one of each that work well in bottle cages. (My 28-oz-ers are no-longer-made 11-Gear bike specific thermos bottles, but I have several much cheaper, if somewhat smaller, thermoses, bottles and cups from the other sources.) On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Karl Fundenberger karl.fundenber...@gmail.com wrote: Those Arundel cages look pretty nice, but it looks like I'd have to use a bottle with the indentation - whereas the King Iris might allow me to use a taller cylindrical stainless steel bottle, like the bigger Kleen Kanteens. I think I'll check one of those out. Thanks, all! And wow, I could have titled this thread a little better, heh... I must have had 3-watt dynamo lights on the brain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Bill!! Thanks for that obvious but (speaking for myself) rather stupidly forgotten connection: felted wool over metal water containers: Of course, I see any number of canteens so covered. I must try that on my metal bottles. And I agree 'bout VO: some nice stuff but, for many of their items, low end quality to match the very reasonable prices. Just got an on-sale Randonneur front rack for the Commuter Riv: it is usable and, for $55, a good buy as the market right now goes, but not at all benchmark quality. How low have you seen you (Tucson?) humidity? I've clocked ours here in NW ABQ at 4%. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Mo' stupidity: Tempe, man! TEMPE!! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: How low have you seen you (Tucson?) humidity? I've clocked ours here in NW ABQ at 4%. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Bike Storage
I need to do something similar to the hooks. There are also nicer hooks that HD sells that have more of a heavy black foam on them. I have some of those and so far they haven't worn through yet. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: David - I had that happen on one set, and put some black gorilla tape over the rubber part. I guess it depends on how high your ceilings are too - mine are like 15 feet, and i have a rafter that comes down a foot or two that i have the hooks in, and I am 6'3. The bikes are too high for my 5'8 SO to safely be able to put the bikes up or take them down. If there was a zombie apocolypse and she needed the bike though, she could probably get it. On Jun 15, 4:11 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Just an FYI, over time the rubber on those J hooks wears off, exposing the steel. It will start marring your rims cosmetically over time. Not the biggest worry in the world, but just a heads up. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Just FYI, I also live in an apartment, and just hang my bikes on hooks that I screwed into the ceiling. They were maybe $2 each from Home Depot, covered in rubber. I am pretty tall and am able to reach the bike up to hang it on the hooks. Works for me, and haven't had any problems with wheels bending or anything like that. Has worked for me. On Jun 15, 10:31 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've moved to a new, smaller apartment, but with very high ceilings. So, Given that my wife and I have 4 bikes, including 2 Rivs, we've decided to go the bike hoist route. These are the devices that fix to a joist in the ceiling that allow the bike to be lifted up and locked in. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular units? Thanks in advance, Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS Sugino XD2 triple 170mm
For Sale 170mm Sugino triple with 48/36/26 rings $80 shipped. Used but in great condition no shark teeth, no rust. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Humidity in Tucson right now is 5% on Accuweather.com and 6% on forecast.weather.gov, the present temperature is 105 degrees (it gets hotter in Tempe where Bill lives). I've been able to get a nice neoprene water bottle cover from a friend that perfectly fits a 18 oz. Klean Kanteen. Unfortunately, the covers don't seem to be available commercially (the cover I have is a promotional item for a particular company). Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jun 15, 1:58 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bill!! Thanks for that obvious but (speaking for myself) rather stupidly forgotten connection: felted wool over metal water containers: Of course, I see any number of canteens so covered. I must try that on my metal bottles. And I agree 'bout VO: some nice stuff but, for many of their items, low end quality to match the very reasonable prices. Just got an on-sale Randonneur front rack for the Commuter Riv: it is usable and, for $55, a good buy as the market right now goes, but not at all benchmark quality. How low have you seen you (Tucson?) humidity? I've clocked ours here in NW ABQ at 4%. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Brooks trade...My Swift - Your B17 Special?
I just picked up a new single speed Raleigh Rush Hour for cruisin with the wife and kiddo. It came with a Brooks Swift in what I would call a dark honey almost chestnut brown. I pulled it off right out the box because my posterior and the Swift have argued in the past. So. Would anyone like to trade? I am a B-17 guy. To keep it a level trade, Specials only please. Unless you got 2 standards! Honey, Black, Green, Blue, not picky. Very slightly used would be cool too. Drop a line! hbclick (located at) yahoo.com Cheers! Brad denver colo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I recall 3% RH recently, though today it's a balmy 10%. We're still on evaporative cooling in our house, where I am spending a lazy day building a wheel out of the solar radiation, where it hit 110F this PM. Planning a ride and a swim after sundown. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Humidity in Tucson right now is 5% on Accuweather.com and 6% on forecast.weather.gov, the present temperature is 105 degrees (it gets hotter in Tempe where Bill lives). I've been able to get a nice neoprene water bottle cover from a friend that perfectly fits a 18 oz. Klean Kanteen. Unfortunately, the covers don't seem to be available commercially (the cover I have is a promotional item for a particular company). Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jun 15, 1:58 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bill!! Thanks for that obvious but (speaking for myself) rather stupidly forgotten connection: felted wool over metal water containers: Of course, I see any number of canteens so covered. I must try that on my metal bottles. And I agree 'bout VO: some nice stuff but, for many of their items, low end quality to match the very reasonable prices. Just got an on-sale Randonneur front rack for the Commuter Riv: it is usable and, for $55, a good buy as the market right now goes, but not at all benchmark quality. How low have you seen you (Tucson?) humidity? I've clocked ours here in NW ABQ at 4%. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
I think Tim is right, this is probably an All-Rounder with flat bars. The giveaway is the level top tube, the Mountain-Expedition had a sloping TT. The bike on Cyclofiend's site is the M/E I once owned, which I believe to be the bike used for the catalog photos. I bought it at a need- cash-now sale, not uncommon in Riv's early days, and sold it a couple of years ago. Like the one for sale, there's not a lot of fork rake, and the bend is more dogleg than low'n'tight. Here's another view with a very different white balance: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15750548@N04/4019037057/sizes/l/in/set-72157614095230958/ Bill On Jun 15, 11:55 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: It's possible that's al All-Rounder built up with MTB bars. I have a '96 A/R and the frame is nearly identical in all the little details that I could see. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
We are at 6% today per NWS and mid '90s -- how can all of you flatlanders bear that lowland heat, dry or otherwise? Me, I have refrigerated air which I love; Mom has a big swamp cooler that works until the humidity soars above 15% and then loses efficiency. But at least I didn't have to switch it over this year. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Bill Gibson (III) bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: I recall 3% RH recently, though today it's a balmy 10%. We're still on evaporative cooling in our house, where I am spending a lazy day building a wheel out of the solar radiation, where it hit 110F this PM. Planning a ride and a swim after sundown. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Humidity in Tucson right now is 5% on Accuweather.com and 6% on forecast.weather.gov, the present temperature is 105 degrees (it gets hotter in Tempe where Bill lives). I've been able to get a nice neoprene water bottle cover from a friend that perfectly fits a 18 oz. Klean Kanteen. Unfortunately, the covers don't seem to be available commercially (the cover I have is a promotional item for a particular company). Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jun 15, 1:58 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bill!! Thanks for that obvious but (speaking for myself) rather stupidly forgotten connection: felted wool over metal water containers: Of course, I see any number of canteens so covered. I must try that on my metal bottles. And I agree 'bout VO: some nice stuff but, for many of their items, low end quality to match the very reasonable prices. Just got an on-sale Randonneur front rack for the Commuter Riv: it is usable and, for $55, a good buy as the market right now goes, but not at all benchmark quality. How low have you seen you (Tucson?) humidity? I've clocked ours here in NW ABQ at 4%. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] OT: Bike Storage
Can y'all post photos of some of these hoist and store devices? I wonder if one might free up needed wall space -- for more shelving -- in my already too cluttered garage. Patrick and that's without putting any stupid cars in it Moore On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've used the Topeak Dual Touch in two different apartments - works great. Currently holding a CantiRom and a Sam. :) Holds up to 4 bikes with optional extra hooks (best for 2). Doesn't mark floors or ceilings much, really good use of space for 2 bikes, at least. 3 or 4 require the pole to be more like 2.5 feet away from a wall instead of 1 or less, so limits your options for living space storage for more than 2. I've got mine pretty stiffly extended against a wooden (slanted) ceiling, and it's not shifted during a few small earthquakes I could feel :) Best, Andrew On Jun 15, 2011, at 7:31 AM, jandrews_nyc wrote: Hello, I've moved to a new, smaller apartment, but with very high ceilings. So, Given that my wife and I have 4 bikes, including 2 Rivs, we've decided to go the bike hoist route. These are the devices that fix to a joist in the ceiling that allow the bike to be lifted up and locked in. Does anyone have any recommendations on particular units? Thanks in advance, Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Montclair NJ Bike shop recommendation
Not sure which bike shops in Montclair do this kind of work. FWIW I do minor restoration in my spare time, including sourcing parts and paint, and wheel building; what are you looking for? I live in Princeton, but have been known to frequent Montclair. Email me offline: montclairbob...@gmail.com BB On Jun 15, 4:18 pm, JGS jonat...@jonfipro.com wrote: Anyone have a recommendation for a bike shop in the Montclair NJ area that would understand the idea of restoring an old steal bike or that sells bikes in the Riv / Surly / Soma / etc. world? Thanks so much! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Market Prices for Riv Frames
Honestly, no idea. I think that's the lugged unicrown fork model. (Too lazy to look it up.) If it doesn't have a U brake fitting under the seatstays, it's worth more. But really have no idea on a price. Montclair BobbyB might know more. He's had more of those bikes through his hands. I'd want one because it's a bike I rode before the big hiatus. The few I've ridden since then are not great performing bikes, but it's the memory of what I used to have that I'd pay for. And that is only if I wanted it when one came along. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 15, 12:48 pm, Charlie cromano...@cox.net wrote: Two posts in one day for me. This is to Eric. If hanging next to the Wilbury mixte referenced a few messages above, there was a red, lugged, 19 1/2 inch, 1985 Stumpjumper frame and fork, made by Toyo (I think) - one owner - purchased new by me in 1985 - what sort of premium might one expect? Charlie Personally might pay a premium for an old lugged Specialized Stumpjumper, while others would go meh. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
I like that the Iris is stiffest at the top of the cage where it can best restrain the bottle. My old Riv Aellee's (sp?) are quite rattly with a Klean Kanteen because the whole cage pivots from the bottom edge of the cage. The only flaw I see with myfavorite Iris/KK 28oz wide mouth combo is that the King cages don't have a tab for strap mounting. One of my bikes has cage mounts on the down tube but not seat tube, and I need straps to attach a bottle cage. I see that VO says of their Moderniste that the newer, stronger version cannot be used with bottle cage clamps so even if they are now made better, they no longer would solve my only issue with King. Pity... On Jun 15, 1:51 pm, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net wrote: My Velo Orange cages fell apart after a few short mile. Broken weld. My Kleen Kanteen's have no rattling AT ALL in my King Cage Iris. Both insulated and regular. On Jun 15, 1:14 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've found the VO cages to be underwhelming in build quality - I've had 3 different styles (type I, II, and moderniste) and two of them have separated at the welds, and one of the three wasn't even close to true either - e.g. crooked lines set-up pre-weld (one of the type I/II - forget which). On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) wrote: I have and daily enjoy my Klean Kanteens (sp?) both single and double wall bottles. The folks at the company seems to be great, too, it might be a family design and sourcing operation, except the bottles aren't made locally, as in the USA. They sent me a recall notice for one of my bottle caps, then sent me two replacements even though the cap I sent in wasn't defective, so I bought another Klean Kanteen. I'm using them in some Camelback neoprene sleeves in off bike use, and in my Quickbeam's bottle cages in on bike use. I got my Quickeam's cages from Velo Orange. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cage... I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't... Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpgAloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote: King Cage Iris cages. Not as elegant as the Nittos, but still look interesting and have held up well so far (bought earlier this year). They carry KK bottles fine, with no need for twine or leather. The King Iris is the best cage there is for an under-the-downtube upside down mount, as the weight of the bottle cannot pull the cage open. -- You
[RBW] OT: Bike Storage
There are lots of different hooks, bike-specific and non-, that you can find at HD, on amazon etc. In almost every case, the vinyl tool dip or neoprene coating is the weak point. it never lasts through more than a few on-and-offs. Probably makes sense to wrap whatever you buy with a strip of old inner tube under some extra bar tape or twine (un-shellacked) right from the start. No reason your bike storage shouldn't be as Riv-ish as your bike! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UfSS6fq5RyoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
I know the guy who sold this one to Larry. Here's what he sent me about it: 1995 frameset 55' tt, 53 (c-t) st Paint was in grt shape for a 15y/o frame Xtr rr drlr Xt hubs, Mavic rims Xt front drlr Sugino 46/36/26 Nitto bullmoose Dura Ace HS Brooks B17 Avid cantis Great bike. TT was a bit to short. A slightly setback seatpost would have made it fit me perfectly. Hope this helps fill in the blanks. My pal used to buy a lot of bikes and ride them for awhile and then re-sell them on Ebay after a while. This was one of seven he sold to Larry when he decided to do something else with his time. Ed Felker Washington, DC On Jun 15, 1:32 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Well, not actually seen in person, but I did run across one that appears to be for sale at College Park Cycles. It has all the beefy qualities of the Bombadil, sans under or diaga tubes for those afflicted with that 'itis. Give Larry Black a call if you're in the mood. I love his shop - so much vintage candy dripping from the rafters, and it seems he may have a couple /few other Riv rides for sale too. http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_sbikesview.php?ID=3361 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
I bought the bike from Bill a couple of years ago. It is just a wonderful bike. Not good at photos, but this attempt should show the way it is set up now. Cheers. david blessing http://www.flickr.com/photos/60600619@N08/5838185994/in/photostream On Jun 15, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bill M. wrote: I think Tim is right, this is probably an All-Rounder with flat bars. The giveaway is the level top tube, the Mountain-Expedition had a sloping TT. The bike on Cyclofiend's site is the M/E I once owned, which I believe to be the bike used for the catalog photos. I bought it at a need- cash-now sale, not uncommon in Riv's early days, and sold it a couple of years ago. Like the one for sale, there's not a lot of fork rake, and the bend is more dogleg than low'n'tight. Here's another view with a very different white balance: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15750548@N04/4019037057/sizes/l/in/set-72157614095230958/ Bill On Jun 15, 11:55 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: It's possible that's al All-Rounder built up with MTB bars. I have a '96 A/R and the frame is nearly identical in all the little details that I could see. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Watter bottle recommendations?
Oh, I forgot...one of my Velo Orange cages broke, so I repaired it with a fillet of transparent epoxy. It's held so well I forgot I'd done that... but on really bumpy rides I have the habit of using an old toe strap to keep things from falling out of the cage I'm not drinking from. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Roger rogerdhod...@gmail.com wrote: I like that the Iris is stiffest at the top of the cage where it can best restrain the bottle. My old Riv Aellee's (sp?) are quite rattly with a Klean Kanteen because the whole cage pivots from the bottom edge of the cage. The only flaw I see with myfavorite Iris/KK 28oz wide mouth combo is that the King cages don't have a tab for strap mounting. One of my bikes has cage mounts on the down tube but not seat tube, and I need straps to attach a bottle cage. I see that VO says of their Moderniste that the newer, stronger version cannot be used with bottle cage clamps so even if they are now made better, they no longer would solve my only issue with King. Pity... On Jun 15, 1:51 pm, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net wrote: My Velo Orange cages fell apart after a few short mile. Broken weld. My Kleen Kanteen's have no rattling AT ALL in my King Cage Iris. Both insulated and regular. On Jun 15, 1:14 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: I've found the VO cages to be underwhelming in build quality - I've had 3 different styles (type I, II, and moderniste) and two of them have separated at the welds, and one of the three wasn't even close to true either - e.g. crooked lines set-up pre-weld (one of the type I/II - forget which). On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Bill Gibson (III) wrote: I have and daily enjoy my Klean Kanteens (sp?) both single and double wall bottles. The folks at the company seems to be great, too, it might be a family design and sourcing operation, except the bottles aren't made locally, as in the USA. They sent me a recall notice for one of my bottle caps, then sent me two replacements even though the cap I sent in wasn't defective, so I bought another Klean Kanteen. I'm using them in some Camelback neoprene sleeves in off bike use, and in my Quickbeam's bottle cages in on bike use. I got my Quickeam's cages from Velo Orange. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/water-bottles-cage... I like what Velo Orange is up to almost as much a what Rivendell is up to and want to support both, but... I can't think of a better use of the wool in an all-used-up-and-can't-be-darned-any-more-sock-or-sweater than an evaporative cooling sleeve for a feeder bottle. Boil the wool, then use scissors, then sew it up to fit. I remember bike shops selling little wool bottle socks just for that purpose decades ago. At this time of year they dry out in about 1/2 hour in Southern Arizona. Remember those canteens with the wool serape pattern covers? Works. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Do they fit on KK Iris cages? I thought they didn't... Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Robert: You should try one of the double-walled insulated KK bottles! They are awesome. You can keep coffee hot and water cold for a pretty good amount of time. In my experience it's a little better at keeping coffee hot for a while than water cold, but it's still a vast improvement over the single walled KK. -Z On Jun 15, 1:19 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I use KKs but I've always put a wet sock around them. This not only stops the rattling but keeps the water much cooler in the Hawaiian sun. With the right sock it's not terribly unattractive and as it works well I don't worry about how it looks. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2787/4355453296_13cf567091_z.jpg Aloha! On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Those of you using the Kleen Kanteen--do they rattle around? I suspect there is a difference between being secure in the cage and not making noise every time you go over a bump. On Jun 15, 6:14 am, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for the King Kage Iris. I have them on almost all my bikes. They fit the Klean Kanteen bottles extremely well. I actually met the guy who makes them at the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Festival this past weekend. He made most of a cage in front of me in under a minute (not including the part that holds it onto the bike -- I think that's welded on). I am happy to support a local businessman (Durango, CO) who makes such a great product. On Jun 15, 5:05 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:59 -0700, cyclotourist wrote:
[RBW] Re: Rivendell MTB? Rare Sighting
A genuine, rare-as-hens'-teeth Riv MTB: http://gallery.me.com/teddurant#100134 Sorry it's just a bad garage-door shot. I should do it justice sometime. Ted Durant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Bicycle Fixations merino Ninja Hoodie, Large, old stock Turbo saddle
Both used but VG (they both look new). $80 shipped CONUS for Turbo; $100 shipped CONUS for Ninja. OBO. Will trade either for nice set of G B Cypres, 28s. I have a plethora (relative of the plesiosaurus) of nice wool jerseys and don't really need this one with a hood. Worn about 10 times and washed once in Kookabura. Photos forthcoming. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
