[RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
I like the idea of having several wheels for different setups. My weird wheel choices stay on the bike for many months, though, rather than being rotated in constantly. The 70" top, 50" low like the S2C is a pretty standard spread, and works pretty well. My Sachs Automatic (coaster brake) gives this range. The S3X gives about 44" / 53" / 70," and you can use a freewheel on it. An AW is wider, with 40" / 52" / 70." The advantage of the S3X is that top gear is 1:1. The AW direct drive is middle gear. Internal hubs are heavy. If you want a low gear choice on a fixed drivetrain with minimal weight, a second ring and a dingle cog would be a good choice. My (Surly 17/21) dingle fixed setups with no axle movement give about a 52" / 70" range. If you've been climbing hills into the wind on a 70" gear, 52" is much, much lower. If you have room to slide the axle on gear changes, you can get as low as 40" by using a smaller small ring. Oh - for an inexpensive way to play with weird wheels, IRO has $15 32h rims. They're non-eyeletted versions of the Velocity Fusion, as far as I can tell. When I got mine, he had $16 spokesets in a length that worked with the S3X, S2, and Alfine dynamo hubs. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Jan 14, 12:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Phil: sorry to hear about the knee -- I gather from what you say that you > have been an inveterate fixed gear rider. My knees are to this point fine, > though I have to be careful about pushing them too long and hard and often > over long inclines, but as most of my riding is short distance -- say 11 > miles out and back -- this hasn't been a problem. My main reason for > thinking of gears and freewheeling is simply energy: I no longer always > feel compelled to exert the energy required even to push a 70" gear several > miles uphill against a headwind with a load -- something much of my riding > requires. And I must admit that there is something to be said for flying > downhill in a tuck without having to flail my feet. > > I have heard good and bad things about the S3X, but I've decided that if I > do go with multiple gears it will be with the addition of a freewheel; the > coaster brake addition will be simply to avoid having to re-rig the rear > calipers on whatever bike or bikes I so convert -- my goal is one or two > additional, coastie/gearie rear wheels that I can, almost, just slap on and > ride. The S2C interests me but the gear difference is only 38%, meaning > that a 70" high would leave me with only a 50" low. > > We'll see. It may come to converting the Joe-built, gofast fixie, that > doesn't get ridden much, into a dedicated geared bike -- the '03 Curt will > stay as my main, load/light equipped fixed runaround. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Phil Bickford wrote: > > Patrick, > > > It's a switch to hear you talking about gearing, although I've noticed > > over the last few years snippets of discussions of Sam Hilbornes and > > the Fargo, etc. > > > I've had a more deliberate change in my use of fixed and single > > riding. Osteoarthritis discovered in my right knee not so long ago > > keeps me from standing and walking very far, standing in the pedals or > > pushing to hard on the flats. It's a MAJOR bummer. I spent twenty > > years working on the floor building sails so it's not exactly a > > surprise. > > > Anyhow since my round town errand bike was a flip flop fixed coasting > > number I swapped over to 1x8. But I've been thinking about how all I > > use are 2 or 3 gears, and I would like to try fixed occasionally. > > > So what about the fixed 2x and 3x hubs from Sturmey and Sachs? One of > > the attractions for me is the hub can accommodate a thread-on > > freewheel thereby giving you an option to a coastee. But I think that > > puts the cabosh on a coaster brake yah? > > > Anyone have experience with these hubs? I was hoping to score a cheap > > rear facing rear drop-out bike > > > Phil B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
Speaking of heavy, I was given a cannonball of an SRAM i-Motion 9 hub which I built into a wheel and have been riding a few months. I like gears, and I like the joy of fixed gear, but I don't like fixed gear in rapidly accelerating and decelerating traffic. I like my White Industries double cog freewheel, which is noisier than the one that came with my Quickbeam. I like quiet, and the internal gear hubs I have ridden (SA and this SRAM) have been...clicky. It just taps a little tune all the time, a little different in different gears. Sometimes, it sounds like I have a big fish on the line. But I may soon return to the universe of derailleurs. I'd still try that SA 3-speed fixed hub, and even put a freewheel on it somehow, sometimes, if I hadn't been given the cannonball. It's hard to beat a derailleur for light weight and many gears and quiet. Not to mention mechanically obvious operation and repair/adjustment. But then, I learned to shift on a Schwinn-approved Huret Alvit. Maybe I should just get another frame or two... On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Forgot to add: I have a very nice looking SA AG that is simply too heavy > for my taste; if my brother doesn't want it -- he has right of refusal -- > it will be available for sale. > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > >> Phil: sorry to hear about the knee -- I gather from what you say that you >> have been an inveterate fixed gear rider. My knees are to this point fine, >> though I have to be careful about pushing them too long and hard and often >> over long inclines, but as most of my riding is short distance -- say 11 >> miles out and back -- this hasn't been a problem. My main reason for >> thinking of gears and freewheeling is simply energy: I no longer always >> feel compelled to exert the energy required even to push a 70" gear several >> miles uphill against a headwind with a load -- something much of my riding >> requires. And I must admit that there is something to be said for flying >> downhill in a tuck without having to flail my feet. >> >> I have heard good and bad things about the S3X, but I've decided that if >> I do go with multiple gears it will be with the addition of a freewheel; >> the coaster brake addition will be simply to avoid having to re-rig the >> rear calipers on whatever bike or bikes I so convert -- my goal is one or >> two additional, coastie/gearie rear wheels that I can, almost, just slap on >> and ride. The S2C interests me but the gear difference is only 38%, meaning >> that a 70" high would leave me with only a 50" low. >> >> We'll see. It may come to converting the Joe-built, gofast fixie, that >> doesn't get ridden much, into a dedicated geared bike -- the '03 Curt will >> stay as my main, load/light equipped fixed runaround. >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Phil Bickford wrote: >> >>> Patrick, >>> >>> It's a switch to hear you talking about gearing, although I've noticed >>> over the last few years snippets of discussions of Sam Hilbornes and >>> the Fargo, etc. >>> >>> I've had a more deliberate change in my use of fixed and single >>> riding. Osteoarthritis discovered in my right knee not so long ago >>> keeps me from standing and walking very far, standing in the pedals or >>> pushing to hard on the flats. It's a MAJOR bummer. I spent twenty >>> years working on the floor building sails so it's not exactly a >>> surprise. >>> >>> Anyhow since my round town errand bike was a flip flop fixed coasting >>> number I swapped over to 1x8. But I've been thinking about how all I >>> use are 2 or 3 gears, and I would like to try fixed occasionally. >>> >>> So what about the fixed 2x and 3x hubs from Sturmey and Sachs? One of >>> the attractions for me is the hub can accommodate a thread-on >>> freewheel thereby giving you an option to a coastee. But I think that >>> puts the cabosh on a coaster brake yah? >>> >>> Anyone have experience with these hubs? I was hoping to score a cheap >>> rear facing rear drop-out bike >>> >>> Phil B >>> >>> > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
On Sat, 2012-01-14 at 15:28 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > If you don't have a Riv, but you think this event sounds fun anyway, please > come. Only shunners will be shunned. > Same is true for the Riv Rally East, as can be clearly seen in the photos of last year's event: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1691409@N23/pool/show/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
If you don't have a Riv, but you think this event sounds fun anyway, please come. Only shunners will be shunned. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/51znp-Oa8Z8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
On Friday, January 13, 2012, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: > I'd be willing to put together a Riv Rally Midwest sometime this upcoming summer. Most likely it would be somewhere between Minneapolis > and Madison and a 2-day weekend format with camping and hotel options. Also, most likely there would be ride route options to suit > different fitness levels and adventurousness thresholds (nothing "extreme"). > > Anybody interested? That depends. Would I be shunned if I'm not riding a bike from Walnut Creek? I sold my Heron so I no longer have a Riv (though I remember something about the lugs on the Mariposa being modified first generation Riv lugs) and there's even a chance I'd want to show on the tandem. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Date and rough outline for Midwest Riv Rally
I'm copying the following from the other thread, so it doesn't get lost: Let's try June 1-3 in Red Wing, MN. The riding part will be on the 2nd and 3rd, so locals could show up in the morning on the 2nd to save a hotel night in Red Wing. The overnight location would be Wabasha, MN, where there are several hotels and restaurants and other services. I believe the city of Wabasha is amenable to cyclists camping at the city park, but I will seek official permission in advance. As an aside, Wabasha is famous as the backdrop of the acclaimed film 'Grumpy Old Men' and its sequel. I'm envisioning 2 route options: the main highways around Lake Pepin for those who want an easier ride, and a longer, more diabolical mixed-terrain route in the bluffs. There will be pie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UYsFoRqyeUIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
Forgot to add: I have a very nice looking SA AG that is simply too heavy for my taste; if my brother doesn't want it -- he has right of refusal -- it will be available for sale. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Phil: sorry to hear about the knee -- I gather from what you say that you > have been an inveterate fixed gear rider. My knees are to this point fine, > though I have to be careful about pushing them too long and hard and often > over long inclines, but as most of my riding is short distance -- say 11 > miles out and back -- this hasn't been a problem. My main reason for > thinking of gears and freewheeling is simply energy: I no longer always > feel compelled to exert the energy required even to push a 70" gear several > miles uphill against a headwind with a load -- something much of my riding > requires. And I must admit that there is something to be said for flying > downhill in a tuck without having to flail my feet. > > I have heard good and bad things about the S3X, but I've decided that if I > do go with multiple gears it will be with the addition of a freewheel; the > coaster brake addition will be simply to avoid having to re-rig the rear > calipers on whatever bike or bikes I so convert -- my goal is one or two > additional, coastie/gearie rear wheels that I can, almost, just slap on and > ride. The S2C interests me but the gear difference is only 38%, meaning > that a 70" high would leave me with only a 50" low. > > We'll see. It may come to converting the Joe-built, gofast fixie, that > doesn't get ridden much, into a dedicated geared bike -- the '03 Curt will > stay as my main, load/light equipped fixed runaround. > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Phil Bickford wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> It's a switch to hear you talking about gearing, although I've noticed >> over the last few years snippets of discussions of Sam Hilbornes and >> the Fargo, etc. >> >> I've had a more deliberate change in my use of fixed and single >> riding. Osteoarthritis discovered in my right knee not so long ago >> keeps me from standing and walking very far, standing in the pedals or >> pushing to hard on the flats. It's a MAJOR bummer. I spent twenty >> years working on the floor building sails so it's not exactly a >> surprise. >> >> Anyhow since my round town errand bike was a flip flop fixed coasting >> number I swapped over to 1x8. But I've been thinking about how all I >> use are 2 or 3 gears, and I would like to try fixed occasionally. >> >> So what about the fixed 2x and 3x hubs from Sturmey and Sachs? One of >> the attractions for me is the hub can accommodate a thread-on >> freewheel thereby giving you an option to a coastee. But I think that >> puts the cabosh on a coaster brake yah? >> >> Anyone have experience with these hubs? I was hoping to score a cheap >> rear facing rear drop-out bike >> >> Phil B >> >> -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
Phil: sorry to hear about the knee -- I gather from what you say that you have been an inveterate fixed gear rider. My knees are to this point fine, though I have to be careful about pushing them too long and hard and often over long inclines, but as most of my riding is short distance -- say 11 miles out and back -- this hasn't been a problem. My main reason for thinking of gears and freewheeling is simply energy: I no longer always feel compelled to exert the energy required even to push a 70" gear several miles uphill against a headwind with a load -- something much of my riding requires. And I must admit that there is something to be said for flying downhill in a tuck without having to flail my feet. I have heard good and bad things about the S3X, but I've decided that if I do go with multiple gears it will be with the addition of a freewheel; the coaster brake addition will be simply to avoid having to re-rig the rear calipers on whatever bike or bikes I so convert -- my goal is one or two additional, coastie/gearie rear wheels that I can, almost, just slap on and ride. The S2C interests me but the gear difference is only 38%, meaning that a 70" high would leave me with only a 50" low. We'll see. It may come to converting the Joe-built, gofast fixie, that doesn't get ridden much, into a dedicated geared bike -- the '03 Curt will stay as my main, load/light equipped fixed runaround. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Phil Bickford wrote: > Patrick, > > It's a switch to hear you talking about gearing, although I've noticed > over the last few years snippets of discussions of Sam Hilbornes and > the Fargo, etc. > > I've had a more deliberate change in my use of fixed and single > riding. Osteoarthritis discovered in my right knee not so long ago > keeps me from standing and walking very far, standing in the pedals or > pushing to hard on the flats. It's a MAJOR bummer. I spent twenty > years working on the floor building sails so it's not exactly a > surprise. > > Anyhow since my round town errand bike was a flip flop fixed coasting > number I swapped over to 1x8. But I've been thinking about how all I > use are 2 or 3 gears, and I would like to try fixed occasionally. > > So what about the fixed 2x and 3x hubs from Sturmey and Sachs? One of > the attractions for me is the hub can accommodate a thread-on > freewheel thereby giving you an option to a coastee. But I think that > puts the cabosh on a coaster brake yah? > > Anyone have experience with these hubs? I was hoping to score a cheap > rear facing rear drop-out bike > > Phil B > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Even though I'm not that far from the area for the ride, I've never done even a part of it. What's your estimate of the daily mileage, and how much climbing, not including trip to Falllingwater? Fallingwater is well worth seeing, I've toured it 6 or 7 times over the years, so I could give it miss this time. Sounds like a great trip. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/y8PgC8X0DRAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
Patrick,
It's a switch to hear you talking about gearing, although I've noticed
over the last few years snippets of discussions of Sam Hilbornes and
the Fargo, etc.
I've had a more deliberate change in my use of fixed and single
riding. Osteoarthritis discovered in my right knee not so long ago
keeps me from standing and walking very far, standing in the pedals or
pushing to hard on the flats. It's a MAJOR bummer. I spent twenty
years working on the floor building sails so it's not exactly a
surprise.
Anyhow since my round town errand bike was a flip flop fixed coasting
number I swapped over to 1x8. But I've been thinking about how all I
use are 2 or 3 gears, and I would like to try fixed occasionally.
So what about the fixed 2x and 3x hubs from Sturmey and Sachs? One of
the attractions for me is the hub can accommodate a thread-on
freewheel thereby giving you an option to a coastee. But I think that
puts the cabosh on a coaster brake yah?
Anyone have experience with these hubs? I was hoping to score a cheap
rear facing rear drop-out bike
Phil B
On Jan 14, 8:42 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Speaking of coaster brakes, my first bike build, circa 1970 or '71,
> involved a (newly purchased; only frames readily available in Nairobi,
> Kenya at the time) frame for an Indian 28" wheel roadster, a Czecho flip
> flop, steel rim, 700C rear wheel donated by a friend and the Westwood
> rimmed 24" wheel stolen from my little brother's miniature Indian roadster
> kid's bike. Of course I discovered the hard way that no brake would fit so
> I rode it for some time on the hilly, winding and dangerous roads around
> Nairobi and in the heavy downtown traffic with no brakes, jamming my
> sneaker into the fork blades to retard the front wheel. ("There is a
> special providence that watches over fools and Americans.") I later found a
> coaster brake at a flea market and had it built into the rear wheel, but
> with the absurd gearing, something like 50/15, there was too little torque
> to operate the brake effectively, unless you kicked the pedals back hard,
> which would lock the wheel.
>
> I note that SA made a 5 speed coaster option: has anyone used it?
>
> All of this sounds so complicated that I am now seriously thinking of
> sticking to a fixed cog with a flip Dingle. And so back and forth it goes.
>
> Patrick "indecisive" Moore
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> > Interesting tale; thanks. 34", 53" and 72" sounds about right; I'd gear it
> > for 3d/cruising -- have done this before, actually, tho' without a coaster
> > brake. Does the coaster brake mechanism add drag to that of the planetary
> > system?
>
> > I'd love to see photos.
>
> > Too bad the kickback hub doesn't have a wider gear difference; on the
> > order of those bb drives, 1:160 or so, instead of 1:138.
>
> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> >> About 10 years back, when I stopped track racing, I built up a single
> >> speed coaster brake wheel for my track bike (using a ca. 1938 Bendix hub
> >> that I found in a box in my basement and have no recollection of buying; it
> >> was smooth as silk after rebuilding it). That worked great except the bike
> >> wasn't very comfortable to ride on city streets. So I sold that and then I
> >> built a single speed frame a few years back around that wheel, with no
> >> accommodation for a rim brake on the back. My friend Mike Pofahl, who
> >> builds frames in Faribault MN, walked me through it; it was a lot of fun,
> >> very interesting and made it clear that I would not want to try to build
> >> frames for a living. To do it right is a *lot* of fiddly detail work with
> >> files and grinders and test fittings, etc. If I had been paid the US
> >> median wage I'd have had about $800 in labor alone into that frame.
> >> Building that frame really made me appreciate
> >> Waterford/Joe/Curt/Match/etc. It also put me in awe of Tom Ritchey, who
> >> has said that he can start with a set of tubes first thing in the morning
> >> and have a frame ready for painting by lunchtime (the result of personally
> >> building thousands of frames- a lot of my time was spent learning how to
> >> miter and align and then doing the mitering and alignment, plus filing
> >> lugs. Hours filing lugs).
>
> >> That was fun for a year or so but I decided gears would be nice. Jim
> >> Thill set me up with a Sachs/SRAM 3 speed coaster brake wheel about 4 1/2
> >> years ago and it has worked great. Like many 3 speeds, though, the jump
> >> between gears is really wide. Too wide, really, as it mimics the Sturmey
> >> Archer AW gearing pattern. I think an AM style spread would be better.
> >> The difficulty becomes choosing the gearing. Do you gear it so that 2nd
> >> or 3rd is about 70"? If you choose 2nd, then 3rd is going to be about 90"
> >> and 1st is going to be about 42".
>
> >> After puttering around with different options, my current setup is a 42 x
> >> 21
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
Amtrak to Winona or St Paul, and Red Wing is a nice 60 mile ride. Red Wing has Amtrak, but no luggage service. If you have a coupled bike or a folder, you can Amtrak to Red Wing with bike as carry-on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iCwkaqI5-PkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
If we can get a Chicago group together to car pool, I'd love to join the rally. Otherwise, there's always Amtrak :) Kevin Mulcahy Chicago, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kHPlpgC3-R4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
I've ridden that area with Jim in the past and it's a great ride. I'll come as long as I'm in town that weekend. Shaun Meehan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
Let's try June 1-3 in Red Wing, MN. The riding part will be on the 2nd and 3rd, so locals could show up in the morning on the 2nd to save a hotel night in Red Wing. The overnight location would be Wabasha, MN, where there are several hotels and restaurants and other services. I believe the city of Wabasha is amenable to cyclists camping at the city park, but I will seek official permission in advance. As an aside, Wabasha is famous as the backdrop of the acclaimed film 'Grumpy Old Men' and its sequel. I'm envisioning 2 route options: the main highways around Lake Pepin for those who want an easier ride, and a longer, more diabolical mixed-terrain route in the bluffs. There will be pie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/GBLTnJQtu3kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
The furthet north, the later into summer? On Saturday, January 14, 2012, John Blish wrote: > I'm in if I am not out somewhere else on tour. Hoping to ride Minneapolis to Denver and back this summer and also couple weeks in Northern MN. > > Thanks for doing this, Jim. Wherever it ends up taking place it should be a great ride. And fun. > > I am in the process of selling my last Rivendell (59 Bleriot Protovelo) so I might have to tour as a member of some kind of auxiliary or as a has-been or used-to-be if it is gone by the time the tour takes place. I am willing to ride in the back, go sIowly and deny I am part of the group if any outsiders ask, if that helps. I probably need to ride in the back and go slowly anyway. > > I sold 3 Rivendells last summer. I hope to be grandfathered in, partly because of my age and partly because I could show up on my Bridgestone MB-1, with a note from Grant that just for this tour, the old Bridgestone qualifies me. > > http://www.pbase.com/jblish/image/59132177/original > > Best, > > -jb > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Just reading about the Riv Rally East in another thread. Jeez, that sounds fun. I briefly contemplated a trip eastward, but then I thought, why not just do it here? I know lots of great routes where the attributes of Riv bikes would shine, both functionally and cosmetically. >> >> I'd be willing to put together a Riv Rally Midwest sometime this upcoming summer. Most likely it would be somewhere between Minneapolis and Madison and a 2-day weekend format with camping and hotel options. Also, most likely there would be ride route options to suit different fitness levels and adventurousness thresholds (nothing "extreme"). >> >> Anybody interested? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1dZL8dfAkW4J. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > John Blish > Minneapolis MN USA > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
I'm in if I am not out somewhere else on tour. Hoping to ride Minneapolis to Denver and back this summer and also couple weeks in Northern MN. Thanks for doing this, Jim. Wherever it ends up taking place it should be a great ride. And fun. I am in the process of selling my last Rivendell (59 Bleriot Protovelo) so I might have to tour as a member of some kind of auxiliary or as a has-been or used-to-be if it is gone by the time the tour takes place. I am willing to ride in the back, go sIowly and deny I am part of the group if any outsiders ask, if that helps. I probably need to ride in the back and go slowly anyway. I sold 3 Rivendells last summer. I hope to be grandfathered in, partly because of my age and partly because I could show up on my Bridgestone MB-1, with a note from Grant that just for this tour, the old Bridgestone qualifies me. http://www.pbase.com/jblish/image/59132177/original Best, -jb On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: > Just reading about the Riv Rally East in another thread. Jeez, that sounds > fun. I briefly contemplated a trip eastward, but then I thought, why not > just do it here? I know lots of great routes where the attributes of Riv > bikes would shine, both functionally and cosmetically. > > I'd be willing to put together a Riv Rally Midwest sometime this upcoming > summer. Most likely it would be somewhere between Minneapolis and Madison > and a 2-day weekend format with camping and hotel options. Also, most > likely there would be ride route options to suit different fitness levels > and adventurousness thresholds (nothing "extreme"). > > Anybody interested? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1dZL8dfAkW4J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
I'm definitely interested. Let's get a date on the calendar soon to block it out. It's possible I'll ride there and back, duplicating much of my Milwaukee-Northfield ride a couple years ago. It's probable I'll not be riding a Rivendell, though. I'm most of the way done installing the rear fender on my new Terraferma randonneur :-) Let me know if I can help with logistics. Ted Durant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
Count me in. Dan Abelson Saint Paul, MN On Jan 13, 2012 5:30 PM, "Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery" wrote: > Just reading about the Riv Rally East in another thread. Jeez, that sounds > fun. I briefly contemplated a trip eastward, but then I thought, why not > just do it here? I know lots of great routes where the attributes of Riv > bikes would shine, both functionally and cosmetically. > > I'd be willing to put together a Riv Rally Midwest sometime this upcoming > summer. Most likely it would be somewhere between Minneapolis and Madison > and a 2-day weekend format with camping and hotel options. Also, most > likely there would be ride route options to suit different fitness levels > and adventurousness thresholds (nothing "extreme"). > > Anybody interested? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1dZL8dfAkW4J. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
Speaking of coaster brakes, my first bike build, circa 1970 or '71,
involved a (newly purchased; only frames readily available in Nairobi,
Kenya at the time) frame for an Indian 28" wheel roadster, a Czecho flip
flop, steel rim, 700C rear wheel donated by a friend and the Westwood
rimmed 24" wheel stolen from my little brother's miniature Indian roadster
kid's bike. Of course I discovered the hard way that no brake would fit so
I rode it for some time on the hilly, winding and dangerous roads around
Nairobi and in the heavy downtown traffic with no brakes, jamming my
sneaker into the fork blades to retard the front wheel. ("There is a
special providence that watches over fools and Americans.") I later found a
coaster brake at a flea market and had it built into the rear wheel, but
with the absurd gearing, something like 50/15, there was too little torque
to operate the brake effectively, unless you kicked the pedals back hard,
which would lock the wheel.
I note that SA made a 5 speed coaster option: has anyone used it?
All of this sounds so complicated that I am now seriously thinking of
sticking to a fixed cog with a flip Dingle. And so back and forth it goes.
Patrick "indecisive" Moore
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:16 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Interesting tale; thanks. 34", 53" and 72" sounds about right; I'd gear it
> for 3d/cruising -- have done this before, actually, tho' without a coaster
> brake. Does the coaster brake mechanism add drag to that of the planetary
> system?
>
> I'd love to see photos.
>
> Too bad the kickback hub doesn't have a wider gear difference; on the
> order of those bb drives, 1:160 or so, instead of 1:138.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
>> About 10 years back, when I stopped track racing, I built up a single
>> speed coaster brake wheel for my track bike (using a ca. 1938 Bendix hub
>> that I found in a box in my basement and have no recollection of buying; it
>> was smooth as silk after rebuilding it). That worked great except the bike
>> wasn't very comfortable to ride on city streets. So I sold that and then I
>> built a single speed frame a few years back around that wheel, with no
>> accommodation for a rim brake on the back. My friend Mike Pofahl, who
>> builds frames in Faribault MN, walked me through it; it was a lot of fun,
>> very interesting and made it clear that I would not want to try to build
>> frames for a living. To do it right is a *lot* of fiddly detail work with
>> files and grinders and test fittings, etc. If I had been paid the US
>> median wage I'd have had about $800 in labor alone into that frame.
>> Building that frame really made me appreciate
>> Waterford/Joe/Curt/Match/etc. It also put me in awe of Tom Ritchey, who
>> has said that he can start with a set of tubes first thing in the morning
>> and have a frame ready for painting by lunchtime (the result of personally
>> building thousands of frames- a lot of my time was spent learning how to
>> miter and align and then doing the mitering and alignment, plus filing
>> lugs. Hours filing lugs).
>>
>> That was fun for a year or so but I decided gears would be nice. Jim
>> Thill set me up with a Sachs/SRAM 3 speed coaster brake wheel about 4 1/2
>> years ago and it has worked great. Like many 3 speeds, though, the jump
>> between gears is really wide. Too wide, really, as it mimics the Sturmey
>> Archer AW gearing pattern. I think an AM style spread would be better.
>> The difficulty becomes choosing the gearing. Do you gear it so that 2nd
>> or 3rd is about 70"? If you choose 2nd, then 3rd is going to be about 90"
>> and 1st is going to be about 42".
>>
>> After puttering around with different options, my current setup is a 42 x
>> 21 resulting in gearing of 34", 53" and 72". I find this works fairly well
>> although top practical speed is about 20 mph. Steep hills aren't a
>> problem. This isn't a bike I tend to ride in a hurry, though, as I mainly
>> use it for commuting and pottering about.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
Interesting tale; thanks. 34", 53" and 72" sounds about right; I'd gear it for 3d/cruising -- have done this before, actually, tho' without a coaster brake. Does the coaster brake mechanism add drag to that of the planetary system? I'd love to see photos. Too bad the kickback hub doesn't have a wider gear difference; on the order of those bb drives, 1:160 or so, instead of 1:138. On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: > About 10 years back, when I stopped track racing, I built up a single > speed coaster brake wheel for my track bike (using a ca. 1938 Bendix hub > that I found in a box in my basement and have no recollection of buying; it > was smooth as silk after rebuilding it). That worked great except the bike > wasn't very comfortable to ride on city streets. So I sold that and then I > built a single speed frame a few years back around that wheel, with no > accommodation for a rim brake on the back. My friend Mike Pofahl, who > builds frames in Faribault MN, walked me through it; it was a lot of fun, > very interesting and made it clear that I would not want to try to build > frames for a living. To do it right is a *lot* of fiddly detail work with > files and grinders and test fittings, etc. If I had been paid the US > median wage I'd have had about $800 in labor alone into that frame. > Building that frame really made me appreciate > Waterford/Joe/Curt/Match/etc. It also put me in awe of Tom Ritchey, who > has said that he can start with a set of tubes first thing in the morning > and have a frame ready for painting by lunchtime (the result of personally > building thousands of frames- a lot of my time was spent learning how to > miter and align and then doing the mitering and alignment, plus filing > lugs. Hours filing lugs). > > That was fun for a year or so but I decided gears would be nice. Jim > Thill set me up with a Sachs/SRAM 3 speed coaster brake wheel about 4 1/2 > years ago and it has worked great. Like many 3 speeds, though, the jump > between gears is really wide. Too wide, really, as it mimics the Sturmey > Archer AW gearing pattern. I think an AM style spread would be better. > The difficulty becomes choosing the gearing. Do you gear it so that 2nd > or 3rd is about 70"? If you choose 2nd, then 3rd is going to be about 90" > and 1st is going to be about 42". > > After puttering around with different options, my current setup is a 42 x > 21 resulting in gearing of 34", 53" and 72". I find this works fairly well > although top practical speed is about 20 mph. Steep hills aren't a > problem. This isn't a bike I tend to ride in a hurry, though, as I mainly > use it for commuting and pottering about. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Multiple gear option questions
About 10 years back, when I stopped track racing, I built up a single speed coaster brake wheel for my track bike (using a ca. 1938 Bendix hub that I found in a box in my basement and have no recollection of buying; it was smooth as silk after rebuilding it). That worked great except the bike wasn't very comfortable to ride on city streets. So I sold that and then I built a single speed frame a few years back around that wheel, with no accommodation for a rim brake on the back. My friend Mike Pofahl, who builds frames in Faribault MN, walked me through it; it was a lot of fun, very interesting and made it clear that I would not want to try to build frames for a living. To do it right is a *lot* of fiddly detail work with files and grinders and test fittings, etc. If I had been paid the US median wage I'd have had about $800 in labor alone into that frame. Building that frame really made me appreciate Waterford/Joe/Curt/Match/etc. It also put me in awe of Tom Ritchey, who has said that he can start with a set of tubes first thing in the morning and have a frame ready for painting by lunchtime (the result of personally building thousands of frames- a lot of my time was spent learning how to miter and align and then doing the mitering and alignment, plus filing lugs. Hours filing lugs). That was fun for a year or so but I decided gears would be nice. Jim Thill set me up with a Sachs/SRAM 3 speed coaster brake wheel about 4 1/2 years ago and it has worked great. Like many 3 speeds, though, the jump between gears is really wide. Too wide, really, as it mimics the Sturmey Archer AW gearing pattern. I think an AM style spread would be better. The difficulty becomes choosing the gearing. Do you gear it so that 2nd or 3rd is about 70"? If you choose 2nd, then 3rd is going to be about 90" and 1st is going to be about 42". After puttering around with different options, my current setup is a 42 x 21 resulting in gearing of 34", 53" and 72". I find this works fairly well although top practical speed is about 20 mph. Steep hills aren't a problem. This isn't a bike I tend to ride in a hurry, though, as I mainly use it for commuting and pottering about. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
Might be as close to me as any Riv. ride ever gets. I'd sure try to make the trek across Nebraska and through Iowa. david On Jan 14, 2012, at 9:38 AM, thalasin wrote: > Sounds like a hoot. I'd seriously consider making the trek from > Colorado for this! > > On Jan 13, 4:29 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: >> Just reading about the Riv Rally East in another thread. Jeez, that sounds >> fun. I briefly contemplated a trip eastward, but then I thought, why not >> just do it here? I know lots of great routes where the attributes of Riv >> bikes would shine, both functionally and cosmetically. >> >> I'd be willing to put together a Riv Rally Midwest sometime this upcoming >> summer. Most likely it would be somewhere between Minneapolis and Madison >> and a 2-day weekend format with camping and hotel options. Also, most >> likely there would be ride route options to suit different fitness levels >> and adventurousness thresholds (nothing "extreme"). >> >> Anybody interested? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
Sounds like a hoot. I'd seriously consider making the trek from Colorado for this! On Jan 13, 4:29 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Just reading about the Riv Rally East in another thread. Jeez, that sounds > fun. I briefly contemplated a trip eastward, but then I thought, why not > just do it here? I know lots of great routes where the attributes of Riv > bikes would shine, both functionally and cosmetically. > > I'd be willing to put together a Riv Rally Midwest sometime this upcoming > summer. Most likely it would be somewhere between Minneapolis and Madison > and a 2-day weekend format with camping and hotel options. Also, most > likely there would be ride route options to suit different fitness levels > and adventurousness thresholds (nothing "extreme"). > > Anybody interested? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring Load and Packing list with weights
Steri-pen. It seems to work well enough. Obviously if i were doing something like the Dempster Hey i'd carry more gear but not much more. I'd certainly pack plenty of grub. On Jan 13, 1:17 pm, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > What do you use for water purification. Generally I just filter with t shirt > and boil. I have been looking at some purification systems.. that is an > area I'm completely clueless. > Thankfully I haven't been isolated badly enough to have to do that often... > though it did happen twice last year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
Jim, Sounds interesting. Schedule permitting I would like coming up your way from Ohio, and maybe could bring a couple of fellow Riv riders. Steve Hemmelgarn From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest? Just reading about the Riv Rally East in another thread. Jeez, that sounds fun. I briefly contemplated a trip eastward, but then I thought, why not just do it here? I know lots of great routes where the attributes of Riv bikes would shine, both functionally and cosmetically. I'd be willing to put together a Riv Rally Midwest sometime this upcoming summer. Most likely it would be somewhere between Minneapolis and Madison and a 2-day weekend format with camping and hotel options. Also, most likely there would be ride route options to suit different fitness levels and adventurousness thresholds (nothing "extreme"). Anybody interested? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1dZL8dfAkW4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
This whole concept sounds good. Count me in. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 14, 7:17 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > The Lake Pepin area, where they do the 3-speed tour, is a likely venue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv Rally midwest?
The Lake Pepin area, where they do the 3-speed tour, is a likely venue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UuxDe_mrOhEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest?
I'm in. Wisconsin has beautiful hills and it'd be fun to take the ferry across Lake Michigan to meet everyone. I'd be bringing a crew from Michigan with me, at least 3 but probably more like 6. Whoa. Strange if there were more people at the Riv rally Midwest than out west. Amit On Jan 13, 10:02 pm, robert zeidler wrote: > Maybe in that area where they do that 3-speed tour? > > On Friday, January 13, 2012, Tim McNamara wrote: > > > On Jan 13, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > >> Anybody interested? > > > We have enough Twin Citians to do a mini version about any time! > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group.> To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> For more options, visit this > group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
