[RBW] Re: A Short Trip to RBWHQ

[Manuel Acosta]

Agreed. Pictures remind me I need to stop by the shop and restock on
some wool long sleeves, then get some advice on my current ride and
most importantly camera duel with Harry. Maybe I shall make a ride of
it...

On Feb 18, 8:26 pm, jimD  wrote:
> Drove up to try some MUSA knickers - the large fit me fine and they are great 
> for riding - bought em.
>
> While I was there got to ride the Bosco Rubbe a bit.
> I'd characterize the ride as PLUSH. Made me smile. It would be great for my
> ~12 mile round trip commute.
> My Hoarders Anon sponsor will be none to pleased with my antics.
>
> At least I didn't come away with (yet) another bike. However
> one can dream, can't they? Plus in the spirit of full disclosure; lusted 
> after bike bags
> a Bombidil
>
> To steal a now famous phrase from Manny Acosta,
> Pictures proved it happened:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/
>
> -Jim

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne in progess and a question

[Manuel Acosta]

Great looking bike Tom. Go with what I do in every life decision flip
a coin. In your case flip three coins. Round robin. Let fate decide!

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[RBW] Re: Front rack ideas

[Montclair BobbyB]

I just installed a Jandd Extreme rack, which required a special
hack... a bracket mod to make it fit the mid-fork mounts and still
remain level.  It's a beautiful rack, (similar to the Surly Nice
Rack)... I'll have to see how it performs, but so far I like the way
it sits on my bike ('86 Schwinn Cimarron).

BB

On Feb 17, 3:30 pm, johnb  wrote:
> I have a 52cm frame and it being tax return time, money is not the deciding
> factor. I had an acorn bag — great bag as an aside — and with drops, it was
> quite cramped. My stature poses problems with most large bags. I had the
> medium saddle sack and it would have rubbed the wheel without a fender/rack
> supporting it.

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[RBW] Re: Intro from new Riv rider

[Jim]

Hi JL:
 
Got the wheels back on the bike, and measured the standover at 97cm, that 
is with 700c x 40 Schawalbe Duremes.
 
Jim

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RE: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[John Speare]

I agree. There's no black magic here.

And the econodreambike has kind of been done -- with the exception of the 
marketing part.

Kogswell Model D was a Taiwanese-tig welded, direct copy of the Rambo. I don't 
know the Riv models that well, but I'd be willing to bet that the Rambo is 
pretty much geometrically indistinguishable, where it counts anyway, to 
Roadeo/Hilson.

John Speare
Spokane, WA
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 
Trek 610...

Grant certainly doesn't need to work with anybody for David's econodreambike to 
come to fruition. Grant's involvement would be good for marketing and 
publicity, but lots of bike guys and gals have the design chops to pull it off 
without his help. I agree that a tigged and threadless Roadeo/Hilsen knockoff 
could be a good seller if done well and marketed smartly.

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[RBW] FS: Specialites TA Carmina, Campagnolo ATB, Phil Wood, Paul Components, touring pedals

[Keeg4n]

Selling a few items:
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(1) -- $260 shipped
Specialites TA Carmina crankset
New, never mounted
170mm
110/74 BCD black spider
130 BCD silver spider
lockring
crank bolts
pedals washers

(2) -- $150 shipped
Campagnolo ATB Centaur crankset
Used
175mm
110/74 BCD
ISO

(3) -- $85 shipped
Phil Wood stainless BB
Used, < 300 miles
ISO
120mm

(4) -- $35 shipped
Paul Components Chain Keeper
New
28.6mm clamp

(5) -- $65 shipped
SR SP-11 touring pedals
Used
9/16"

(6) -- $50 shipped
SR SP-155 touring pedals
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I have a Pacer and a recently built up a Ram. The Ram is livelier in
handling than the Pacer, but the Pacer is a fine bike. It doesn't
handle tires as wide as the Ram, and nowadays with the terrible roads
in the area (in Oakland--where one cyclist died flying over a crack
into oncoming traffic), I make it a point to use as wide as I can go
for comfort and safety.

I think there is a market for a lively road bike that can use wide
tires. The Pacer, Casseroll, Smoothie are all in the right direction,
but they can go even wider.

A few hundred dollars in the frame is not a justification for me to
get a different frame--especially when the different frame doesn't
give you what you want... I would rather wait and buy the frame that
really works than pay a little less and get something inferior and
wish you had something else for as long as you put up with the
inferior bike...

Toshi




On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent of the 
> Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the 
> Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling to me. 
> The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the Pacer is 
> the nearest Rambouillet equivalent.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[cyclotourist]

Ohhh, nice. Didn't think about that... their 60cm Osprey is just about
spot on if it can fit 35mm tires (tyres!).

Mike S had a Gryphon for a minute. If I ever decide to build up a drop
bar 29er, that is pretty much the bike I'll get!

Jim, you're 100% correct. GP isn't the only that can design a bike,
but 100% of his bikes are bikes I would want to buy! :-) I would love
to see him work someone to get a Rivendell-esque tigged bike on the
market.

On 2/19/12, Philip Williamson  wrote:
> The Singular Cycles offerings are almost there, but maybe too similar
> to the Soma? The Kite 'cross bike is tigged, 1 1/8" threadless, with
> cantis. Most of the road bikes are lugged, though. My favorite
> Singular is the Gryphon, which is nothing like you describe. It's more
> of a rolling-up of all my bikes into one Cunningham-inspired unit.
> http://www.singularcycles.com/
> http://theprairiepeddler.blogspot.com/
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamson
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>
>
> On Feb 19, 8:32 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride
>> too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines.
>>
>> On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
>> >> Low trail is kind of a turn off though.
>>
>> > Why?
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RE: [RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

And like the bars, still getting tweaked.  Saddle has been adjusted to be 
level.  I thought maybe the springs would give enough to make it "sit" level 
when my considerable weight was on it, but apparently I'm not heavy enough -- 
not a phrase I think or type very often.


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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:53 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
mailto:bertin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
DAMN! those bars are high!

The better to catch the rider when he's pitched forward from that sloping seat.

Though, in all fairness, I find myself nudging my B-17 a tad higher in the back 
on my fixed-gear QuickBeam. It just feels better, maybe has something to do 
with not being able to coast. I know that it's also helping my ischial 
tuberosities make good impressions on the leather.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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RE: [RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Still adjusting -- they're coming down some and the levers are moving farther 
forward around the curve.  But the goal here is to be comfy.


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DAMN! those bars are high!

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Carla Waugh 
mailto:lhtbikert...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think eggplant would look beautiful and your new bike deserves beauty.

Artist/Art Educator/Bicyclist

On Feb 19, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
mailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com>> wrote:

SimpleOne build coming along, pics here. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157629391118347/

But what color bar tape?  Newbaum's eggplant with clear shellac, Newbaum's 
maroon with clear shellac, or cork bar tape with amber?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

[Andrew]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:53 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> DAMN! those bars are high!
>

The better to catch the rider when he's pitched forward from that sloping
seat.

Though, in all fairness, I find myself nudging my B-17 a tad higher in the
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Re: [RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

[PATRICK MOORE]

DAMN! those bars are high!

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Carla Waugh  wrote:

> I think eggplant would look beautiful and your new bike deserves beauty.
>
> Artist/Art Educator/Bicyclist
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> On Feb 19, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Allingham II, Thomas J" <
> thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:
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> SimpleOne build coming along, pics here.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157629391118347/
>
> But what color bar tape?  Newbaum's eggplant with clear shellac, Newbaum's
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> Thanks for any suggestions.
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Re: [RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

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I think eggplant would look beautiful and your new bike deserves beauty.

Artist/Art Educator/Bicyclist

On Feb 19, 2012, at 4:36 PM, "Allingham II, Thomas J" 
 wrote:

> SimpleOne build coming along, pics here. 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157629391118347/
>  
> But what color bar tape?  Newbaum's eggplant with clear shellac, Newbaum's 
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[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[Philip Williamson]

The Singular Cycles offerings are almost there, but maybe too similar
to the Soma? The Kite 'cross bike is tigged, 1 1/8" threadless, with
cantis. Most of the road bikes are lugged, though. My favorite
Singular is the Gryphon, which is nothing like you describe. It's more
of a rolling-up of all my bikes into one Cunningham-inspired unit.
http://www.singularcycles.com/
http://theprairiepeddler.blogspot.com/

 Philip

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On Feb 19, 8:32 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride
> too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines.
>
> On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
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> > On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> >> Low trail is kind of a turn off though.
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> > Why?
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Re: [RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells - DC & NoVa

[Michael Rivers]

Orange Ram and Blue Quickbeam. I ride from DC to anywhere in NoVA. Say 
hello if you pass me...

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[RBW] SimpleOne in progess and a question

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

SimpleOne build coming along, pics here. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/sets/72157629391118347/

But what color bar tape?  Newbaum's eggplant with clear shellac, Newbaum's 
maroon with clear shellac, or cork bar tape with amber?

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: [RBW] Fork rake radius

[Bruce Herbitter]

Your new LHT fork looks very nice

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Mojo  wrote:

>
> My Surly LHT was Taiwan made with its dog-leg fork
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5268867525/in/set-72157607471577085/
> One of the side benefits of changing the LHT handling with a new fork was
> to get a more aesthetic fork bend
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5269479652/in/set-72157607471577085/
> LHT fork comparison
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5268866551/in/set-72157607471577085/
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Re: [RBW] Fork rake radius

[Mojo]

It was Rivendell/GP that brought fork bend into my consciousness. 
I do not think ride quality is noticably compromised by a dog-leg fork 
bend. 
But it was Rivendell who made me appreciate a low tight fork bend as in the 
Nobilette-made fork on the Legolas 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/set-72157607471577085 
(hard 
to see here)
 
Is the Betty Foy made in Taiwan? 
My Surly LHT was Taiwan made with its dog-leg fork
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5268867525/in/set-72157607471577085/
One of the side benefits of changing the LHT handling with a new fork was 
to get a more aesthetic fork bend
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5269479652/in/set-72157607471577085/
LHT fork comparison
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5268866551/in/set-72157607471577085/
 
All of this is of the aesthetic of what makes a nice looking bike, from 
this group's perspective.
Fork bend and fender line do not effect performance, but for some folks 
including GP these are important points.
I think Jim Thill's option A nicely explains the current offering

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Re: [RBW] Fork rake radius

[Bruce Herbitter]

Some years back, Grant wrote at a little length on fork bends and how he
was working with the new supplier in Taiwan to get the bends just right.
Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, and while I don't get hung up
on fork radii, I don't like straight leg forks at all. All of my bikes have
varying fork curves. The Ram is about perfect IMO, the Saluki a close
second. The Road std and a Maruishi-for-Nashbar have less than I would
like, while a B-stone has too much. They ALL ride great. They also all have
stays without any crimps in them, which is a deal killer for me. Like I
said, everyone's idea of just right is different.

Jim is right about not being zombie sycophants mouthing the praises of
Walnut Creek bikes. We're here becuase we generally like them and the
aesthetic that they rise from, but we won't always like every thing that
comes along from RBW WHQs. That's fine too. There's always enough stuff
there for me to like. I won't live long enough to need another bike (that
is, wear out any of the current stable mates) but I send others their way
fairly often.

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...Option A is to live with it, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, .
>
> I enjoy following and contributing to this group, but it loses some value
> if it devolves into a cheering section for Riv.
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[RBW] Fork rake radius

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

It's understandable that such a thing could happen. Imagine someone at Riv 
prying open the crates of forks, which have been ordered for months, and 
discovering the bend isn't quite what they wanted. Option A is to live with it, 
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, imperfection is perfection, and these 
will work just fine. Option B is to insist the fork people make it "right", 
which likely involves some cost in dollars, vendor relationship, and most 
importantly several more months of waiting. During the wait, Riv sits on a 
warehouse of frames, parts, and accessories that are unsellable without forks, 
and cash flow takes a huge hit. Option A sounds good to me! In that case, I'd 
ride it!

On the other hand, maybe GP likes his forks that way now. Or maybe it was a 
concession to the price-point. In that case, I'd ride it!

I enjoy following and contributing to this group, but it loses some value if it 
devolves into a cheering section for Riv. Some of these forks obviously have a 
different bend, and some people don't like it. That's fine. Rivendell does, 
after all, cater to a subset of the cycling population that is concerned about 
a particular aesthetic. It's not a photographic accident or something to keep 
quiet about. I prefer the smooth bend, too, but I don't buy bikes to hang on 
the wall as art pieces. All of my bikes have some imperfection or compromise, 
which I promptly forget about when I start pedaling!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Grant certainly doesn't need to work with anybody for David's econodreambike to 
come to fruition. Grant's involvement would be good for marketing and 
publicity, but lots of bike guys and gals have the design chops to pull it off 
without his help. I agree that a tigged and threadless Roadeo/Hilsen knockoff 
could be a good seller if done well and marketed smartly.

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Re: [RBW] My Rivendell 64 cm custom frame remains for sale. Price reduction.

[jimD]

Somebody needs to buy this so I don't.
Plus this re-current temptation is really messing with my hoarding recovery.
-JimD
On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:54 AM, artmoli...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Thank you all who  responded with complimentary comments on this frame
> and fork but since no funds have appeared at my door I have posted a
> new price hoping to stimulate the market. This is a stunning Joe
> Starck built road model in impeccable condition.
> $1075.00  shipped or best reasonable offer.  All details and photos
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Re: [RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells - DC & NoVa

[robert zeidler]

DC Rando?

On Saturday, February 18, 2012, Noel M. wrote:

> Ordered A. Homer Hilsen on Feb 8.  Frame was in stock so it should arrive
> mid-March..or so.  I'm in Fairfax.
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Re: [RBW] New Bombadil and AHH

[Pam Ellen Hudson]

Great job - Absolutely gorgeous!  Congratulations - you are inspiring  
me!  Pam


On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Tom Harrop wrote:


Hi RBW,

I've finally put the finishing touches together, so here's a link to  
a few photos of my 68 cm Bombadil. Scroll through to see some photos  
of Cat's 54 cm Homer. You'll also find a couple of traditional  
GGRBWOB full-frame, drive-side shots for your enjoyment!


The Bombadil is great. So far it's only really been used for  
commuting, although we plan to tour on these bikes. Such a nice  
ride, it feels stable but not in the least bit slow. I weigh 100–110  
Kg, and the most I've loaded it up with would be about 12 Kg (some  
in basket, some in SaddleSack) so far, and there wasn't the  
slightest problem.There was no difference in handling that I could  
detect. I can't wait to put some more Kms on it!


I'd like to thank the list members whose bikes have inspired these  
builds. In particular, the photos and descriptions of Amit's,  
Kelly's, René's and a couple of other Bombadils on Flickr whose  
parentage I'm not certain of have been most helpful.


Cheers!

Tom

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[RBW] My Rivendell 64 cm custom frame remains for sale. Price reduction.

[artmoli...@yahoo.com]

Thank you all who  responded with complimentary comments on this frame
and fork but since no funds have appeared at my door I have posted a
new price hoping to stimulate the market. This is a stunning Joe
Starck built road model in impeccable condition.
$1075.00  shipped or best reasonable offer.  All details and photos
from :
artmoli...@yahoo.com and thanks.

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Re: [RBW] A Short Trip to RBWHQ

[J L]

Nice photos.  I really am digging that orange paint job on your custom.

JL

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:26 PM, jimD  wrote:

> Drove up to try some MUSA knickers - the large fit me fine and they are
> great for riding - bought em.
>
> While I was there got to ride the Bosco Rubbe a bit.
> I'd characterize the ride as PLUSH. Made me smile. It would be great for my
> ~12 mile round trip commute.
> My Hoarders Anon sponsor will be none to pleased with my antics.
>
> At least I didn't come away with (yet) another bike. However
> one can dream, can't they? Plus in the spirit of full disclosure; lusted
> after bike bags
> a Bombidil
>
> To steal a now famous phrase from Manny Acosta,
> Pictures proved it happened:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/
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Re: [RBW] Re: East Coast Rivendells - DC & NoVa

[Noel M.]

Ordered A. Homer Hilsen on Feb 8.  Frame was in stock so it should arrive 
mid-March..or so.  I'm in Fairfax.

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[RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

[Forrest]

Seems fine to me. Bet it rides wonderfully. I have a lot of faith in RBW's 
commitment to quality in/with/under/through everything they make, design, 
or sell.

Now, about that problem of world peace (from a Rivendell perspective, that 
is) ...

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[RBW] Re: Fork rake radius

[Will]

I think you'd have to ride it... which I am quite sure the Riv folks have 
done. And I'm guessing it rides great. 

Will

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[James Warren]

Make sure it has a cup-holder that can fit MY drink.


On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:48 AM, cyclotourist wrote:

> It's the internet: Al Gore* designed it for rampant speculation &
> hyperbole!!! But there a precedent of GP working with other companies
> to design bikes. The San Marcos with SOMA is the perfect example,
> Bleriot with QBP is another. S, I am rampantly speculating &
> hyperbolizing my desires for the "perfect" bike. I will call it The
> Homer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *Please people, that is a joke. I am well aware that the late Sen.
> Stevens designed the system of tubes.
> 
> On 2/18/12, Peter Morgano  wrote:
>> Sorry to sound the wet blanket or speak for gp but not sure why he would be
>> involved in a project like that for what would be most likely a loss of
>> money when their are a few different companies discussed here who make
>> something "almost" like what you are looking for.  unfortunately almost is
>> as close as we can get, I wanted a 650b Atlantis with center pull brakes
>> but alas it was not meant to be.
>> On Feb 19, 2012 12:47 AM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer
>>> is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite.  I guess what I'm
>>> visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy
>>> country bike, 57mm brakes) with <$600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The
>>> SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube,
>>> 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a
>>> bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for
>>> it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike!
>>> 
>>> On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery  wrote:
 IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent
 of
 the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the
 Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling
 to
 me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the
 Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:24 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> That's give-away pricing! I could deal with cantis/horizontal for that price!
>

It was iirc $330 for the complete frame/fork.

There's a number of nice builds of them here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26117248@N03/

I agree with you about the horizontal dropouts - I'd rather have
vertical dropouts like on all the rest of my bikes. Makes fendering
and wheel centering so much simpler,imo.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[cyclotourist]

I don't need any of it's benefits (front load/stability) and I ride
too much on dirt trails/singletrack where high trail shines.

On 2/19/12, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
>> Low trail is kind of a turn off though.
>
> Why?
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Re: [RBW] New Bombadil and AHH

[Larry]

Great pics, thanks.

On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Tom Harrop  wrote:

> Hi RBW,
> 
> I've finally put the finishing touches together, so here's a link to a few 
> photos of my 68 cm Bombadil. Scroll through to see some photos of Cat's 54 cm 
> Homer. You'll also find a couple of traditional GGRBWOB full-frame, 
> drive-side shots for your enjoyment!
> 
> The Bombadil is great. So far it's only really been used for commuting, 
> although we plan to tour on these bikes. Such a nice ride, it feels stable 
> but not in the least bit slow. I weigh 100–110 Kg, and the most I've loaded 
> it up with would be about 12 Kg (some in basket, some in SaddleSack) so far, 
> and there wasn't the slightest problem.There was no difference in handling 
> that I could detect. I can't wait to put some more Kms on it!
> 
> I'd like to thank the list members whose bikes have inspired these builds. In 
> particular, the photos and descriptions of Amit's, Kelly's, René's and a 
> couple of other Bombadils on Flickr whose parentage I'm not certain of have 
> been most helpful.
> 
> Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

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On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:52 -0800, cyclotourist wrote:
> Low trail is kind of a turn off though. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

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That's give-away pricing! I could deal with cantis/horizontal for that price!

On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>> A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a
>> Cross Check, but GREAT price!
>>
>
> Right before xmas they had them on a serious sale at 20% off. I
> resisted buying one.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a
> Cross Check, but GREAT price!
>

Right before xmas they had them on a serious sale at 20% off. I
resisted buying one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[cyclotourist]

A quick looks shows horizontal dropouts and cantis... basically a
Cross Check, but GREAT price!

On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>> LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off
>> though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is
>> selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that.
>>
>
> What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy
> with 26" wheels and XOXO.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[cyclotourist]

Don't know anything about them, but would want 700C

On 2/19/12, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>> LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off
>> though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is
>> selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that.
>>
>
> What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy
> with 26" wheels and XOXO.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off
> though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is
> selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that.
>

What about something like a handsome cycle's devil or if you're happy
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[cyclotourist]

LOVE the tire clearance on that bike. Low trail is kind of a turn off
though. The price is sure right though. Looks like the San Marcos is
selling for near that price though, I'd rather have that.

On 2/19/12, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Albeit with cantis, and low trail fork, the Rawland rSogn fits the
> bill as well, though it now retails for $725. It started at just over
> $500, and there has been at least one sale, I think.
>
> http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953
>
> I got one to complement my Sam Hillborne, which is now set up for
> commuting and kid hauling. Aesthetically, the Sam's the winner, but in
> terms of versatility and sprightliness, the rSogn nudges ahead
> (thinner tubing, and fits 58mm knobbies, and I like the low trail for
> running a handlebar bag and still being able to peel oranges on the
> go).
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/6892390267/in/pool-71875606@N00/
>
> Cheers,
>
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>
> On Feb 19, 12:39 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
>> I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that
>> description quite well,
>> albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution.
>>
>> I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up
>> getting this summer.
>> FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend
>> what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a
>> tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me.
>> Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot
>> less $.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a
>> > Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat
>> > tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona,
>> > Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country
>> > bike.
>> > Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded
>> > frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm
>> > brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs.
>>
>> > On 2/18/12, trek610  wrote:
>>
>> > > Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out.  Very tasteful
>> > > selection
>> > > in components.
>>
>> > > Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT?
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[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[Earl Grey]

Albeit with cantis, and low trail fork, the Rawland rSogn fits the
bill as well, though it now retails for $725. It started at just over
$500, and there has been at least one sale, I think.

http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3953

I got one to complement my Sam Hillborne, which is now set up for
commuting and kid hauling. Aesthetically, the Sam's the winner, but in
terms of versatility and sprightliness, the rSogn nudges ahead
(thinner tubing, and fits 58mm knobbies, and I like the low trail for
running a handlebar bag and still being able to peel oranges on the
go).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gernothuber/6892390267/in/pool-71875606@N00/

Cheers,

Gernot
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On Feb 19, 12:39 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> I would think that the new (2011) Salsa Casseroll fits that
> description quite well,
> albeit with cantis, which to my mind are a perfectly fine solution.
>
> I went back and forth for a while between that and the Sam I ended up
> getting this summer.
> FWIW the decision came down to Riv being able to confidently recommend
> what size to get, which Salsa couldn't. I was ordering remotely on a
> tight schedule so that ended up being the critical factor for me.
> Pretty sure the Salsa would have done the job almost as well for a lot
> less $.
>
> Jay
>
> On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Question: is there a truly budget minded bike that compares to a
> > Rivendell? Something tig welded but lively and clearance for fat
> > tires? It would be great if Grant could work with someone (Kona,
> > Surly, Voodoo???) to come up with a made in Taiwan scorcher country
> > bike.
> > Tigged, powdercoated, traditional top tube (non-compact/expanded
> > frame), tall headtube with threadless stem, spot on clearance for 57mm
> > brakes, 430mm or so stays, $500. That's what the world needs.
>
> > On 2/18/12, trek610  wrote:
>
> > > Very pretty build - I like way it has turned out.  Very tasteful selection
> > > in components.
>
> > > Any thoughts on the ride VS the LHT?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[cyclotourist]

It's the internet: Al Gore* designed it for rampant speculation &
hyperbole!!! But there a precedent of GP working with other companies
to design bikes. The San Marcos with SOMA is the perfect example,
Bleriot with QBP is another. S, I am rampantly speculating &
hyperbolizing my desires for the "perfect" bike. I will call it The
Homer.




*Please people, that is a joke. I am well aware that the late Sen.
Stevens designed the system of tubes.

On 2/18/12, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> Sorry to sound the wet blanket or speak for gp but not sure why he would be
> involved in a project like that for what would be most likely a loss of
> money when their are a few different companies discussed here who make
> something "almost" like what you are looking for.  unfortunately almost is
> as close as we can get, I wanted a 650b Atlantis with center pull brakes
> but alas it was not meant to be.
> On Feb 19, 2012 12:47 AM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>
>> I've never met anyone who spoke poorly of their Surly! A Surly Pacer
>> is also a bike that's almost there, but not quite.  I guess what I'm
>> visualizing is a Taiwanese tig welded, powder coated Roadeo (zippy
>> country bike, 57mm brakes) with <$600 Surly/Salsa/SOMA pricing. The
>> SOMA San Marcos more like it, but tig it, (single) level top tube,
>> 1/18 threadless stem. I wish someone would work with Grant to get a
>> bike like that in regular production. Maybe there isn't a market for
>> it, but seems to me like it would be the perfect bike!
>>
>> On 2/18/12, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery  wrote:
>> > IMO my Surly Cross-Check is the functional and ride-quality equivalent
>> > of
>> > the Atlantis I owned for several years. The LHT is often compared to the
>> > Atlantis, but the LHT is actually quite a bit stiffer/sturdier feeling
>> > to
>> > me. The Cross-check is closer to the budget Atlantis. Then I suppose the
>> > Pacer is the nearest Rambouillet equivalent.
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[RBW] Bike Lights - Burning Retina Productions Research Labs

[jimD]

Even though the daylight portion of the day is getting longer.
The research arm of Burning Retina Productions continues actively looking for 
new technology.
This looks promising:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gotham/theft-resistant-bike-light-by-gotham-bicycle-defen

The video is compelling. Anyone who has been involved in product development 
will certainly
appreciate the environmental testing.

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[RBW] Re: Need help deciding... Soma San Marcos or Revamp an 84 Trek 610...

[Beth H]

Refurb. You've got the clearance, cold-setting is not traumatic if you
do it carefully (and don't overstep your bounds -- i.e., don't spread
a 6-speed frame to a 10), and the Trek is a solid frame. My vote is
for bringing back the Trek. --Beth in PDX

On Feb 7, 6:05 am, trek610  wrote:
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>
> I am at a cross roads and need some help deciding on how best to spend my
> money...

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Re: [RBW] New Bombadil and AHH

[jimD]

Great bike.
Love the pictures of Cat with the Bombidil.
That's one big bicycle!
-JimD

On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Tom Harrop wrote:

> Hi RBW,
> 
> I've finally put the finishing touches together, so here's a link to a few 
> photos of my 68 cm Bombadil. Scroll through to see some photos of Cat's 54 cm 
> Homer. You'll also find a couple of traditional GGRBWOB full-frame, 
> drive-side shots for your enjoyment!
> 
> The Bombadil is great. So far it's only really been used for commuting, 
> although we plan to tour on these bikes. Such a nice ride, it feels stable 
> but not in the least bit slow. I weigh 100–110 Kg, and the most I've loaded 
> it up with would be about 12 Kg (some in basket, some in SaddleSack) so far, 
> and there wasn't the slightest problem.There was no difference in handling 
> that I could detect. I can't wait to put some more Kms on it!
> 
> I'd like to thank the list members whose bikes have inspired these builds. In 
> particular, the photos and descriptions of Amit's, Kelly's, René's and a 
> couple of other Bombadils on Flickr whose parentage I'm not certain of have 
> been most helpful.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Tom
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[RBW] New Bombadil and AHH

[Tom Harrop]

Hi RBW,

I've finally put the finishing touches together, so here's a link to a few 
photos of my 68 cm Bombadil.  Scroll through to 
see some photos of Cat's 54 cm Homer. You'll also find a couple of 
traditional GGRBWOB full-frame, drive-side shots for your enjoyment!

The Bombadil is great. So far it's only really been used for commuting, 
although we plan to tour on these bikes. Such a nice ride, it feels stable 
but not in the least bit slow. I weigh 100–110 Kg, and the most I've loaded 
it up with would be about 12 Kg (some in basket, some in SaddleSack) so 
far, and there wasn't the slightest problem.There was no difference in 
handling that I could detect. I can't wait to put some more Kms on it!

I'd like to thank the list members whose bikes have inspired these builds. 
In particular, the photos and descriptions of Amit's, Kelly's, René's and a 
couple of other Bombadils on Flickr whose parentage I'm not certain of have 
been most helpful.

Cheers!

Tom

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