[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[Philip Williamson]

Fantastic service. Wow.
And here's an illustration of how the frame can "float" between your
contact points. Based on frame angles, bikes with the same tube
lengths can fit very differently, and bikes with very different tube
lengths can fit the same. The bizarro-world of non-intuitive
relationships: 
http://www.biketinker.com/2011/bike-resources/bike-fit-geometry-relationships/

 Philip

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On Mar 8, 3:36 pm, William  wrote:
> size is in the eye of the beholder.  Folks don't rant that a Medium at
> Banana Republic and a Medium at Old Navy fit differently (OK, perhaps they
> do).
>
> Seriously though, Grant will tell you it all comes down to getting your
> three contact spots in the right places.  Feet, tuckus, hands.  Where the
> frame is floating in the middle is mainly just looks (which is more than
> nothing, but less than everything)
>
> Want to know what made me glad I gave money to Mike?  When I told him I was
> dwelling on the numbers, he sent me a Park branded fit chart pdf, and asked
> me to fill it out for a bike that fit (in my case, the Hilsen).  Critical
> numbers were seat height, setback, reach, and bars below saddle.  I did the
> measurements and sent them in.  Mike then took the numbers and first agreed
> that the 59 was closest.  Then he took *his* 59 and set it up with my seat
> height, my setback (which meant putting a different seatpost on), my reach
> (which meant putting a different stem on) and my handlebar below saddle
> (which meant flipping spacers and such).  He then photographed it and
> emailed it to me, saying "this is what your setup is gonna look like".
> I'd never had a shop do that for me.  Heck, I thought I was pretty helpful
> when I worked at a shop and I never did that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:58:49 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > The lack of consistency in frame measurement really bugs me. I wish the
> > industry would stick to one way (center to center preferred) and be done
> > with it. Posting the actual as well as theoretical is even better.
>
> > I know, I know, I said consistency and bicycle in the same rant, sorry...
>
> > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:44:29 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> >> I measure bikes to the top of the top tube at the seat tube junction,
> >> too. Not to the top of the seat tube collar.
> >> That's definitely good to know about the BMC bikes.
>
> >>  Philip
>
> >> On Mar 8, 1:12 pm, William  wrote:
> >> > FWIW, if Mike had handed me these bikes, and told me to resell them, I
> >> > would call my '59' a 58.  It is 58cm from the center of the bottom
> >> bracket
> >> > to the top of the top tube along the seat tube.  My '59' measures 59cm
> >> from
> >> > the center of the bottom bracket to the tippy top of the seat tube
> >> along
> >> > the seat tube.  Since there's an external seat clamp, that spot on my
> >> tape
> >> > measure that is 59cm is an imaginary spot about 2/3 of the way up the
> >> seat
> >> > clamp.  By my reckoning, it's a 58 and that's one of the myriad reasons
> >> I
> >> > bought it.
>
> >> > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:01:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
>
> >> > > Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what
> >> will I
> >> > > borrow this summer??? :-)
>
> >> > > As for the BMC bikes, I wish they were built in 2cm increments. I'm
> >> > > slightly between sizes, too. Yeah I know, what's the big deal w/ 1cm,
> >> > > right, but I'm a fussy one...
>
> >> > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 6:16:00 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>
> >> > >> William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great.
> >> > >> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise
> >> I
> >> > >> might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by
> >> > >> the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like
> >> > >> right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase.
>
> >> > >>http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/
>
> >> > >> Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes
> >> > >> to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space
> >> vacated
> >> > >> by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big
> >> Dummy.
>
> >> > >> --mike

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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[Mike]

On Mar 8, 9:01 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what will I
> borrow this summer??? :-)

Don't worry, I've got you covered. I still have my LHT, Hilsen, CC and
Bryant randonneur.

As for measuring bikes, I wish it could be standardized at CtC.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[William]

http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/stack.html

stack = height of top of the headtube above the center of the BB
Reach = horizontal distance between the center of the BB and the center of 
the headtube at the top

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 5:56:37 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 17:10 -0800, Bill M. wrote:
> > Sticking to c-c or c-t seat tube measurement only works in a level top
> > tube world.  Reach and Stack are probably better measurements to use
> > than seat tube and top tube.
>
> What are "reach" and "stack"?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Book tour and Midwest RBW Rally update

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Not really stars aligning. First they selected an earlier date. I called back 
and asked if it could be on May 31 to make it work with the rally. The woman I 
talked to said no problem. I suppose GP might have something to say about it, 
and plans frequently change for external reasons, but that's the plan for now.

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Re: [RBW] Book tour and Midwest RBW Rally update

[John Blish]

I like this a lot and look forward to being there.   We all know Grant has
another connection to St Paul as well.  Maybe that factors in to having him
come here in late May.  In any case, nifty, I say.

-jb


On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I spoke today with someone from Grant's book publisher about the upcoming
> book tour. We've scheduled the evening of May 31 to have Grant at HC for a
> book-signing session. This kicks off the Midwest RBW Rally, which begins
> formally on June 1. More info here:
>
>
> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2012/03/rivendell-weekend-of-may-31-thru-june-3.html
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Re: [RBW] Book tour and Midwest RBW Rally update

[cyclotourist]

That's pretty sweet!

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:22 PM, James Warren wrote:

>
> Are you kidding me? Talk about the stars aligning. You lucky midwesterners.
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> I spoke today with someone from Grant's book publisher about the upcoming
> book tour. We've scheduled the evening of May 31 to have Grant at HC for a
> book-signing session. This kicks off the Midwest RBW Rally, which begins
> formally on June 1. More info here:
>
>
> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2012/03/rivendell-weekend-of-may-31-thru-june-3.html
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Re: [RBW] Book tour and Midwest RBW Rally update

[James Warren]

Are you kidding me? Talk about the stars aligning. You lucky midwesterners.



On Mar 8, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:

> I spoke today with someone from Grant's book publisher about the upcoming 
> book tour. We've scheduled the evening of May 31 to have Grant at HC for a 
> book-signing session. This kicks off the Midwest RBW Rally, which begins 
> formally on June 1. More info here:
> 
> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2012/03/rivendell-weekend-of-may-31-thru-june-3.html
> 
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[RBW] Book tour and Midwest RBW Rally update

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I spoke today with someone from Grant's book publisher about the upcoming 
book tour. We've scheduled the evening of May 31 to have Grant at HC for a 
book-signing session. This kicks off the Midwest RBW Rally, which begins 
formally on June 1. More info here:

http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2012/03/rivendell-weekend-of-may-31-thru-june-3.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 17:10 -0800, Bill M. wrote:
> Sticking to c-c or c-t seat tube measurement only works in a level top
> tube world.  Reach and Stack are probably better measurements to use
> than seat tube and top tube.

What are "reach" and "stack"?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Book tour?

[Andrew]

Well, I'll grant you that much...

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Amit Singh  wrote:

> HE WHO CANNOT BE NAMED !  If his name is as much as mentioned he will
> apperate ... for a book reading/signing!
>
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[RBW] Re: Book tour?

[Amit Singh]

HE WHO CANNOT BE NAMED !  If his name is as much as mentioned he will
apperate ... for a book reading/signing!

On Mar 8, 7:45 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> Tentatively planning for May 31 in Minneapolis, dovetailing into the June
> 1-3 Midwest RBW Owners Rally.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:20:02 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
>
> > I just heard there may be a book tour happening for you-know-who...  At
> > least in the Pac NW.  Keep your ears open...
>
> > Brian
> > Seattle

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[RBW] Re: FS: Grip King Pedals

[Johnny Alien]

Email is johnnyalien at verizon.net

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:22:30 PM UTC-5, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I have a pair of Grip King pedals. Used lightly and in good shape.  They 
> are missing the reflectors.
>
> $30 shipped.
>

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[RBW] FS: Grip King Pedals

[Johnny Alien]

I have a pair of Grip King pedals. Used lightly and in good shape.  They 
are missing the reflectors.

$30 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[Bill M.]

Sticking to c-c or c-t seat tube measurement only works in a level top
tube world.  Reach and Stack are probably better measurements to use
than seat tube and top tube.

Bill


On Mar 8, 2:58 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> The lack of consistency in frame measurement really bugs me. I wish the
> industry would stick to one way (center to center preferred) and be done
> with it. Posting the actual as well as theoretical is even better.
>
> I know, I know, I said consistency and bicycle in the same rant, sorry...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:44:29 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> > I measure bikes to the top of the top tube at the seat tube junction,
> > too. Not to the top of the seat tube collar.
> > That's definitely good to know about the BMC bikes.
>
> >  Philip
>
> > On Mar 8, 1:12 pm, William  wrote:
> > > FWIW, if Mike had handed me these bikes, and told me to resell them, I
> > > would call my '59' a 58.  It is 58cm from the center of the bottom
> > bracket
> > > to the top of the top tube along the seat tube.  My '59' measures 59cm
> > from
> > > the center of the bottom bracket to the tippy top of the seat tube along
> > > the seat tube.  Since there's an external seat clamp, that spot on my
> > tape
> > > measure that is 59cm is an imaginary spot about 2/3 of the way up the
> > seat
> > > clamp.  By my reckoning, it's a 58 and that's one of the myriad reasons
> > I
> > > bought it.
>
> > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:01:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what
> > will I
> > > > borrow this summer??? :-)
>
> > > > As for the BMC bikes, I wish they were built in 2cm increments. I'm
> > > > slightly between sizes, too. Yeah I know, what's the big deal w/ 1cm,
> > > > right, but I'm a fussy one...
>
> > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 6:16:00 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>
> > > >> William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great.
> > > >> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise I
> > > >> might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by
> > > >> the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like
> > > >> right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase.
>
> > > >>http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/
>
> > > >> Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes
> > > >> to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space
> > vacated
> > > >> by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big
> > Dummy.
>
> > > >> --mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bridgestone X0-3 55cm

[William]

Or maybe it's my monitor darking things up.  My point is it's a great bike 
and a great looking bike.  

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 5:02:15 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
> I dont think your photos do the color justice.  It's not that dark in real 
> life, at least not in my mind.  It's a really nice metallic burgundyish 
> brownish color.  If it was a 55 instead of a 52, I'd be tempted.  
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:50:50 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> I had this for sale previously and it was grabbed up...then the deal fell 
>> through...then it was really close to Christmas...so I begged my in-laws to 
>> keep it in storage for me till later in the year. (I'm having some 
>> theft/safety issues with one of the neighbors I share garage space with. I 
>> can no longer keep bikes out there.)
>>
>> Time has come for me to get it moving.
>>
>> Bike was purchased from a forum member maybe a couple years ago.
>>
>> I believe it was pinned down as a 94. Size is 52cm c-t seat tube with a 
>> 55cm c-c top tube. Long and low.
>>
>> It has the original RX100 cranks, derailleurs, hubs. Original Dia compe 
>> cantis. I received it with the northroads/albatross style bar on it and 
>> ended up running it this way. I did however source the correct (I think) 
>> bar end shifters as original that will be included. They are a little 
>> scuffed up but perfectly operational. I also have a soma mustache bar that 
>> is optional. It currently has Deore thumb shifters and Shimano levers that 
>> work really well with the bike. Tires are 26" Kenda's wire bead with a 
>> reverse style tread. They work pretty well off road and roll smooth on the 
>> pavement.
>>
>> Bike is in good shape with some paint dings and decal flaking. No dents 
>> or damage to the frame. Wheels could use a truing, and there is a slightly 
>> bent spoke.
>>
>> Seat is not included at this price. I have some flat bmx style pedals if 
>> needed.
>>
>> $500 and actual shipping within the US. Plus fees if using paypal.
>>
>> Photo Set taken 
>> 3/8/12
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Brad
>>
>> hbclick (located at) yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bridgestone X0-3 55cm

[William]

I dont think your photos do the color justice.  It's not that dark in real 
life, at least not in my mind.  It's a really nice metallic burgundyish 
brownish color.  If it was a 55 instead of a 52, I'd be tempted.  

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:50:50 PM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>
> I had this for sale previously and it was grabbed up...then the deal fell 
> through...then it was really close to Christmas...so I begged my in-laws to 
> keep it in storage for me till later in the year. (I'm having some 
> theft/safety issues with one of the neighbors I share garage space with. I 
> can no longer keep bikes out there.)
>
> Time has come for me to get it moving.
>
> Bike was purchased from a forum member maybe a couple years ago.
>
> I believe it was pinned down as a 94. Size is 52cm c-t seat tube with a 
> 55cm c-c top tube. Long and low.
>
> It has the original RX100 cranks, derailleurs, hubs. Original Dia compe 
> cantis. I received it with the northroads/albatross style bar on it and 
> ended up running it this way. I did however source the correct (I think) 
> bar end shifters as original that will be included. They are a little 
> scuffed up but perfectly operational. I also have a soma mustache bar that 
> is optional. It currently has Deore thumb shifters and Shimano levers that 
> work really well with the bike. Tires are 26" Kenda's wire bead with a 
> reverse style tread. They work pretty well off road and roll smooth on the 
> pavement.
>
> Bike is in good shape with some paint dings and decal flaking. No dents or 
> damage to the frame. Wheels could use a truing, and there is a slightly 
> bent spoke.
>
> Seat is not included at this price. I have some flat bmx style pedals if 
> needed.
>
> $500 and actual shipping within the US. Plus fees if using paypal.
>
> Photo Set taken 
> 3/8/12
>
> Thanks!
> Brad
>
> hbclick (located at) yahoo.com
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Downhill video

[Bill M.]

Grant wrote an editorial about this video last year.

Bill

On Mar 8, 4:04 pm, MSmith  wrote:
> This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video.
> Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know.
>
> 
>
> Check out the dog that wanders onto the course...
>
> Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass

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[RBW] FS: Bridgestone X0-3 55cm

[jinxed]

I had this for sale previously and it was grabbed up...then the deal fell 
through...then it was really close to Christmas...so I begged my in-laws to 
keep it in storage for me till later in the year. (I'm having some 
theft/safety issues with one of the neighbors I share garage space with. I 
can no longer keep bikes out there.)

Time has come for me to get it moving.

Bike was purchased from a forum member maybe a couple years ago.

I believe it was pinned down as a 94. Size is 52cm c-t seat tube with a 
55cm c-c top tube. Long and low.

It has the original RX100 cranks, derailleurs, hubs. Original Dia compe 
cantis. I received it with the northroads/albatross style bar on it and 
ended up running it this way. I did however source the correct (I think) 
bar end shifters as original that will be included. They are a little 
scuffed up but perfectly operational. I also have a soma mustache bar that 
is optional. It currently has Deore thumb shifters and Shimano levers that 
work really well with the bike. Tires are 26" Kenda's wire bead with a 
reverse style tread. They work pretty well off road and roll smooth on the 
pavement.

Bike is in good shape with some paint dings and decal flaking. No dents or 
damage to the frame. Wheels could use a truing, and there is a slightly 
bent spoke.

Seat is not included at this price. I have some flat bmx style pedals if 
needed.

$500 and actual shipping within the US. Plus fees if using paypal.

Photo Set taken 
3/8/12

Thanks!
Brad

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[RBW] Re: Book tour?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Tentatively planning for May 31 in Minneapolis, dovetailing into the June 
1-3 Midwest RBW Owners Rally.

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:20:02 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
>
> I just heard there may be a book tour happening for you-know-who...  At 
> least in the Pac NW.  Keep your ears open...
>
> Brian
> Seattle
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[RBW] Re: Downhill video

[William]

he says "voy al matrimonio" at the end.  "I'm going to a wedding"

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:35:59 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
> and he's wearing a suit.  
>
> I would have crashed 30,000 times on that run.  
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:04:28 PM UTC-8, M D Smith wrote:
>>
>> This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video.  
>> Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Check out the dog that wanders onto the course...
>>
>> Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Downhill video

[William]

and he's wearing a suit.  

I would have crashed 30,000 times on that run.  

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:04:28 PM UTC-8, M D Smith wrote:
>
> This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video.  
> Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know.
>
> 
>
> Check out the dog that wanders onto the course...
>
> Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Downhill video

[David Yu Greenblatt]

Perfect course for a Rosco Bubbe

- David G, Madison WI

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM, MSmith  wrote:

> This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video.
> Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know.
>
> 
>
> Check out the dog that wanders onto the course...
>
> Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass
>
>
>

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[RBW] Downhill video

[MSmith]

This is not new news, but I recently re-discovered this video.
Unbelievable skills, nerves of steel, and way bigger cojones anyone I know.



Check out the dog that wanders onto the course...

Mike in balmy So. Boston, Mass

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Re: [RBW] Re: Book tour?

[Brian Hanson]

sometime around May - 2nd week ish...

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Robert F. Harrison wrote:

> Of course it'll probably take he who isn't being named out of Walnut Creek
> exactly when I due in. ;-) I can't remember why he wasn't around last time
> I visited but there you have it!
>
> Aloha,
>
> Bob in Hawaii (but heading east at the end of April for a visit).
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Rob  wrote:
>
>> Coolio! That would be super neat. I've never met you-know-who in person.
>>
>> Rob in Seattle
>>
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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[William]

size is in the eye of the beholder.  Folks don't rant that a Medium at 
Banana Republic and a Medium at Old Navy fit differently (OK, perhaps they 
do).  

Seriously though, Grant will tell you it all comes down to getting your 
three contact spots in the right places.  Feet, tuckus, hands.  Where the 
frame is floating in the middle is mainly just looks (which is more than 
nothing, but less than everything)

Want to know what made me glad I gave money to Mike?  When I told him I was 
dwelling on the numbers, he sent me a Park branded fit chart pdf, and asked 
me to fill it out for a bike that fit (in my case, the Hilsen).  Critical 
numbers were seat height, setback, reach, and bars below saddle.  I did the 
measurements and sent them in.  Mike then took the numbers and first agreed 
that the 59 was closest.  Then he took *his* 59 and set it up with my seat 
height, my setback (which meant putting a different seatpost on), my reach 
(which meant putting a different stem on) and my handlebar below saddle 
(which meant flipping spacers and such).  He then photographed it and 
emailed it to me, saying "this is what your setup is gonna look like".   
I'd never had a shop do that for me.  Heck, I thought I was pretty helpful 
when I worked at a shop and I never did that.  

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:58:49 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The lack of consistency in frame measurement really bugs me. I wish the 
> industry would stick to one way (center to center preferred) and be done 
> with it. Posting the actual as well as theoretical is even better. 
>
> I know, I know, I said consistency and bicycle in the same rant, sorry...
>
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:44:29 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I measure bikes to the top of the top tube at the seat tube junction, 
>> too. Not to the top of the seat tube collar. 
>> That's definitely good to know about the BMC bikes. 
>>
>>  Philip 
>>
>> On Mar 8, 1:12 pm, William  wrote: 
>> > FWIW, if Mike had handed me these bikes, and told me to resell them, I 
>> > would call my '59' a 58.  It is 58cm from the center of the bottom 
>> bracket 
>> > to the top of the top tube along the seat tube.  My '59' measures 59cm 
>> from 
>> > the center of the bottom bracket to the tippy top of the seat tube 
>> along 
>> > the seat tube.  Since there's an external seat clamp, that spot on my 
>> tape 
>> > measure that is 59cm is an imaginary spot about 2/3 of the way up the 
>> seat 
>> > clamp.  By my reckoning, it's a 58 and that's one of the myriad reasons 
>> I 
>> > bought it. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:01:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: 
>> > 
>> > > Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what 
>> will I 
>> > > borrow this summer??? :-) 
>> > 
>> > > As for the BMC bikes, I wish they were built in 2cm increments. I'm 
>> > > slightly between sizes, too. Yeah I know, what's the big deal w/ 1cm, 
>> > > right, but I'm a fussy one... 
>> > 
>> > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 6:16:00 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: 
>> > 
>> > >> William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great. 
>> > >> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise 
>> I 
>> > >> might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by 
>> > >> the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like 
>> > >> right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase. 
>> > 
>> > >>http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/ 
>> > 
>> > >> Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes 
>> > >> to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space 
>> vacated 
>> > >> by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big 
>> Dummy. 
>> > 
>> > >> --mike
>
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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

The lack of consistency in frame measurement really bugs me. I wish the 
industry would stick to one way (center to center preferred) and be done 
with it. Posting the actual as well as theoretical is even better. 

I know, I know, I said consistency and bicycle in the same rant, sorry...


On Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:44:29 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I measure bikes to the top of the top tube at the seat tube junction, 
> too. Not to the top of the seat tube collar. 
> That's definitely good to know about the BMC bikes. 
>
>  Philip 
>
> On Mar 8, 1:12 pm, William  wrote: 
> > FWIW, if Mike had handed me these bikes, and told me to resell them, I 
> > would call my '59' a 58.  It is 58cm from the center of the bottom 
> bracket 
> > to the top of the top tube along the seat tube.  My '59' measures 59cm 
> from 
> > the center of the bottom bracket to the tippy top of the seat tube along 
> > the seat tube.  Since there's an external seat clamp, that spot on my 
> tape 
> > measure that is 59cm is an imaginary spot about 2/3 of the way up the 
> seat 
> > clamp.  By my reckoning, it's a 58 and that's one of the myriad reasons 
> I 
> > bought it. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:01:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > 
> > > Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what 
> will I 
> > > borrow this summer??? :-) 
> > 
> > > As for the BMC bikes, I wish they were built in 2cm increments. I'm 
> > > slightly between sizes, too. Yeah I know, what's the big deal w/ 1cm, 
> > > right, but I'm a fussy one... 
> > 
> > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 6:16:00 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote: 
> > 
> > >> William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great. 
> > >> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise I 
> > >> might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by 
> > >> the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like 
> > >> right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase. 
> > 
> > >>http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/ 
> > 
> > >> Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes 
> > >> to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space 
> vacated 
> > >> by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big 
> Dummy. 
> > 
> > >> --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Book tour?

[Robert F. Harrison]

Of course it'll probably take he who isn't being named out of Walnut Creek
exactly when I due in. ;-) I can't remember why he wasn't around last time
I visited but there you have it!

Aloha,

Bob in Hawaii (but heading east at the end of April for a visit).


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> Coolio! That would be super neat. I've never met you-know-who in person.
>
> Rob in Seattle
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[RBW] Re: Book tour?

[Rob]

Coolio! That would be super neat. I've never met you-know-who in person.

Rob in Seattle


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[RBW] Book tour?

[Brian Hanson]

I just heard there may be a book tour happening for you-know-who...  At
least in the Pac NW.  Keep your ears open...

Brian
Seattle

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[RBW] Hillborne sighting in Clarendon (No. VA.)- whose?

[Joan Oppel]

 Uncommon sighting - I don't know why but there aren't that many of us riding around Northern Virginia on Rivendells, though more than I thought showed up a few weeks ago in response to the 'survey' question.  This was an orange Hillborne parked outside the new Trader Joe's, using 2 (!) ulocks to hold it to the bike rack.  Albatross with cork handles, 700c wheels, mini front rack with basket, Nitto rear rack, Brooks.  I too (frequently) use 2 locks on the Bleriot, ulock and cable.  It was very windy today - 35 mph gusts, so I had a sllloooww shopping trip.Joan



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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[Philip Williamson]

I measure bikes to the top of the top tube at the seat tube junction,
too. Not to the top of the seat tube collar.
That's definitely good to know about the BMC bikes.

 Philip

On Mar 8, 1:12 pm, William  wrote:
> FWIW, if Mike had handed me these bikes, and told me to resell them, I
> would call my '59' a 58.  It is 58cm from the center of the bottom bracket
> to the top of the top tube along the seat tube.  My '59' measures 59cm from
> the center of the bottom bracket to the tippy top of the seat tube along
> the seat tube.  Since there's an external seat clamp, that spot on my tape
> measure that is 59cm is an imaginary spot about 2/3 of the way up the seat
> clamp.  By my reckoning, it's a 58 and that's one of the myriad reasons I
> bought it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:01:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what will I
> > borrow this summer??? :-)
>
> > As for the BMC bikes, I wish they were built in 2cm increments. I'm
> > slightly between sizes, too. Yeah I know, what's the big deal w/ 1cm,
> > right, but I'm a fussy one...
>
> > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 6:16:00 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>
> >> William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great.
> >> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise I
> >> might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by
> >> the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like
> >> right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase.
>
> >>http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/
>
> >> Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes
> >> to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space vacated
> >> by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big Dummy.
>
> >> --mike

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[RBW] Re: Not a Riv, but a distant cousin

[Ryan Ray]

What a great build. Nice work.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2012 12:25:13 PM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
> Resurrected Bridgestone XO-4 (imgur album) 
>
> Thought you guys might get a kick out of this. I'm tempted to post some 
> photos of my Sam, but this project has been at the front of my mind until 
> yesterday when I finally finished it. This bike was passed down to my 
> brother and wasn't in the best shape after all these years. My goal was to 
> bring it back as an all-arounder city/camping/light touring bike. 
>
> Parts highlights include Mavic A719/XT wheelset, Nitto Periscopa stem, 
> Soma Moustache Bars, MKS Sneaker Pedals, Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 35c tires, 
> Campy clamp-on downtube shifters, Bontrager Inform saddle, and my favorite 
> - the Gino light mount with Fenix E21 flashlight. 
>
> If you look closely, you'll notice I pulled a Sheldon Brown brake routing 
> swap as well.
>

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Re: [RBW] Not a Riv, but a distant cousin

[Sean Whelan]

Great Restoration!

Cheers!

Sean

--- On Tue, 3/6/12, Scot Brooks  wrote:

From: Scot Brooks 
Subject: [RBW] Not a Riv, but a distant cousin
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 3:25 PM

Resurrected Bridgestone XO-4 (imgur album)

Thought you guys might get a kick out of this. I'm tempted to post some photos 
of my Sam, but this project has been at the front of my mind until yesterday 
when I finally finished it. This bike was passed down to my brother and wasn't 
in the best shape after all these years. My goal was to bring it back as an 
all-arounder city/camping/light touring bike. 
Parts highlights include Mavic A719/XT wheelset, Nitto Periscopa stem, Soma 
Moustache Bars, MKS Sneaker Pedals, Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 35c tires, Campy 
clamp-on downtube shifters, Bontrager Inform saddle, and my favorite - the Gino 
light mount with Fenix E21 flashlight. 
If you look closely, you'll notice I pulled a Sheldon Brown brake routing swap 
as well.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Bags, Nitto TD Stem, Tektro Oryx Brakes

[David Yu Greenblatt]

Some stuff sold, other nice stuff added, more soon...

Photos & descriptions: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyZpfpx

Thanks,

David G, Madison WI


On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:07 PM, David Yu Greenblatt <
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For Sale:
>
> Rivendell Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Seat Pouch, like new
> $150
>
> Rivendell Nigel Smythe Green Tweed Li'l Loafer, excellent condition,
> almost like new, perfect color match for seat pouch
> $145 SOLD
>
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 90mm, new
> $48
>
> Tektro Oryx cantilever brakes, silver, used but good, one bike's worth
> $30 SOLD
>
> Photos & descriptions: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyZpfpx
>
> USPS Priority Mail shipping included (within USA; insurance extra)
>
> Please reply off-list
>
> When items are sold, I will promptly update the Flickr photo descriptions
>
> Thanks,
>
> David G, Madison WI
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[RBW] Re: Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[William]

Crap, one could easily spend $5000 on a pile of panniers, and that pile 
would have zero repeats and zero bad choices.  And my wife wonders why I 
have so many bags!   

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:31:03 AM UTC-8, Harry H wrote:
>
> +5 for Swift Industries. They let you pic fabric, grosgrain, and thread 
> color. I'm ordering a Brompton bag from them. They make great stuff.
>
> Also the bags made by Philosophy are excellent. I met Troy the owner of 
> Philosophy Bags at NAHBS and spoke to him for awhile about his bags. The 
> bags look and feel great, the stitching is precise, the mounting hardware 
> is German (making it as smart as Arkel), and they're made by him and a 
> small staff near Portland.
>
> Harry
>
>

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[RBW] Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[Harry H]

+5 for Swift Industries. They let you pic fabric, grosgrain, and thread color. 
I'm ordering a Brompton bag from them. They make great stuff.

Also the bags made by Philosophy are excellent. I met Troy the owner of 
Philosophy Bags at NAHBS and spoke to him for awhile about his bags. The bags 
look and feel great, the stitching is precise, the mounting hardware is German 
(making it as smart as Arkel), and they're made by him and a small staff near 
Portland.

Harry

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[RBW] Re: Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[William]

But Phil doesn't have panniers listed on his Loyal-site.  Interesting. 
 Maybe email him and luck yourself into a discounted prototype!

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 8:09:42 AM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote:
>
> I saw that MAP with Loyal bags at NAHBS, very pretty indeed. 
>
> Bill 
>
> On Mar 7, 12:28 pm, David Yu Greenblatt 
>  wrote: 
> > I find these Loyal Designs panniers to be truly appealing:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/6939511529/in/photostream 
> > 
> > -- David G, Madison WI 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Scot Brooks  
> wrote: 
> > > I'm really close to pulling the trigger on some Ironweed panniers 
> which 
> > > seem to be incredible bang-for-the-buck. I've also considered the 
> Sackville 
> > > and Ostrich models. Any others that I should be considering?

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[William]

My buddy perma-loaned me the cheap version of Avatar.  It's in my parts 
box.  I'll give it a go.  It's daunting facing the fact that I need to 
establish a 'go-to' contemporary saddle.  Since so many of the nice ones 
are $200 (and up) it's intimidating.  

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 2:33:04 AM UTC-8, z-man wrote:
>
> Over the past few months I have tried these saddles (mostly Avatars in 143 
> and 155 widths),andcan only say.Wow!
>
> These saddles are so supremely comfortable that w/ a couple of exceptions 
> for nicely broken Brooks, I will switch, over time, the entire fleet over 
> to them. 
>
> Yesterday I went a bit longer than I intended (72 miles,but a nice early 
> spring day), and while my legs were a bit knackered, everything else went 
> well. The highest compliment I can pay these saddles is that duting a ride 
> like this I never think about what I 'm sitting on, nor do I have to make 
> any position adjustments on the fly,they are that good. 
>
> I would highly recommend these to anyone having comfort issues. Never 
> thought I'd fine something better than Brooks or Selle Anatomica. Plus no 
> rain issues. 
>
> YMMV. 
>
> RGZ 

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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[William]

FWIW, if Mike had handed me these bikes, and told me to resell them, I 
would call my '59' a 58.  It is 58cm from the center of the bottom bracket 
to the top of the top tube along the seat tube.  My '59' measures 59cm from 
the center of the bottom bracket to the tippy top of the seat tube along 
the seat tube.  Since there's an external seat clamp, that spot on my tape 
measure that is 59cm is an imaginary spot about 2/3 of the way up the seat 
clamp.  By my reckoning, it's a 58 and that's one of the myriad reasons I 
bought it.   

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:01:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what will I 
> borrow this summer??? :-)
>
> As for the BMC bikes, I wish they were built in 2cm increments. I'm 
> slightly between sizes, too. Yeah I know, what's the big deal w/ 1cm, 
> right, but I'm a fussy one...
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 6:16:00 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>>
>> William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great. 
>> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise I 
>> might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by 
>> the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like 
>> right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase. 
>>
>> http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/ 
>>
>> Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes 
>> to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space vacated 
>> by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big Dummy. 
>>
>> --mike
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rare Sighting in the'bay area

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

A very unusual sloping top tube on it. I've never seen that on a Rivendell 
other than the newer Sams/Bombas/Hunqs. Depending on the tire clearance, 
that would make an AWESOME drop-bar MTB!!! I wonder who built it. Pic of 
the BB is craptastic, so can't make out if anything else is on it other 
than the # posted by seller. With a JB paint job, it's post-Waterford 
build, but w/out a letters in the code, don't know the builder.


On Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:01:06 AM UTC-8, Marty wrote:
>
> Something about these early All Rounders that floats my boat in any bay. 
> Good thing it's not my size, but it's one of those Rivs I would like to 
> have around just to look at. If someone here picks it up, we need more pics!
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/784glag*
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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Oh, you sold the QB. Just not putting enough miles on it? Now what will I 
borrow this summer??? :-)

As for the BMC bikes, I wish they were built in 2cm increments. I'm 
slightly between sizes, too. Yeah I know, what's the big deal w/ 1cm, 
right, but I'm a fussy one...

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 6:16:00 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>
> William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great. 
> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise I 
> might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by 
> the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like 
> right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase. 
>
> http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/ 
>
> Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes 
> to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space vacated 
> by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big Dummy. 
>
> --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[PATRICK MOORE]

Sheeit, there goes my intellectual reputation. But after some quick
grammatical analysis, I think you are right.

Mea culpa lapsa mearum. Or something like that.

Patrick "Ver-oay nd-ay ut-oay" Moore

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
 wrote:
> Grammatical mocking for Patrick: "...me included."  We expect so much more
> from a Latin scholar!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:46 AM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles
>
> Now now, let's not get all earnest. It's great fun to poke fun at both
> sides. After all, it's just cycling, and there are few things and people in
> this world that won't benefit from a few sniggers, I included.
>
> Patrick "ok, so bring it on" Moore who (grimly yanking this thread back on
> topic, Likes Flites and Turbos on his classic, lugged steel).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>>> and the tweed police (cue Cheap Trick song) seem to be on a donut
>>> break...
>>>
>>
>> Why is that comment necessary? How does that help the conversation?
>> Your only goal is to mock and/or embarrass others.
>>
>> I do not appreciate it and I do not think it belongs here or, point in
>> fact, anywhere.
>>
>> snarky does not equal clever.
>>
>> -sv
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RE: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Grammatical mocking for Patrick: "...me included."  We expect so much more from 
a Latin scholar!

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

Now now, let's not get all earnest. It's great fun to poke fun at both sides. 
After all, it's just cycling, and there are few things and people in this world 
that won't benefit from a few sniggers, I included.

Patrick "ok, so bring it on" Moore who (grimly yanking this thread back on 
topic, Likes Flites and Turbos on his classic, lugged steel).



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> and the tweed police (cue Cheap Trick song) seem to be on a donut break...
>>
>
> Why is that comment necessary? How does that help the conversation?
> Your only goal is to mock and/or embarrass others.
>
> I do not appreciate it and I do not think it belongs here or, point in
> fact, anywhere.
>
> snarky does not equal clever.
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Peter Pesce]

Offensive post deleted.

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:47:43 AM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:
>
> Apologies. I did not intend to mock or embarrass anyone.
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:34:59 AM UTC-5, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> > and the tweed police (cue Cheap Trick song) seem to be on a donut 
>> break...
>> >
>>
>> Why is that comment necessary? How does that help the conversation?
>> Your only goal is to mock and/or embarrass others.
>>
>> I do not appreciate it and I do not think it belongs here or, point in
>> fact, anywhere.
>>
>> snarky does not equal clever.
>>
>> -sv
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Andrew]

"*Tweed Police*" - that's funny, especially when tied into the "Green
Police" satire ad (Audi TDI, with Cheap Trick backup) that ran in the 2011
Super Bowl, the very best ad that played that day. After all, if you can't
poke fun at yourself, or tolerate a bit of fun being poked at you, then
what's the point?

With my wool tweed cap firmly snugged around my size 8 head...

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Peter Pesce]

Apologies. I did not intend to mock or embarrass anyone.

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:34:59 AM UTC-5, Seth Vidal wrote:
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> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> > and the tweed police (cue Cheap Trick song) seem to be on a donut 
> break...
> >
>
> Why is that comment necessary? How does that help the conversation?
> Your only goal is to mock and/or embarrass others.
>
> I do not appreciate it and I do not think it belongs here or, point in
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>
> snarky does not equal clever.
>
> -sv
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[PATRICK MOORE]

Now now, let's not get all earnest. It's great fun to poke fun at both
sides. After all, it's just cycling, and there are few things and
people in this world that won't benefit from a few sniggers, I
included.

Patrick "ok, so bring it on" Moore who (grimly yanking this thread
back on topic, Likes Flites and Turbos on his classic, lugged steel).



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> and the tweed police (cue Cheap Trick song) seem to be on a donut break...
>>
>
> Why is that comment necessary? How does that help the conversation?
> Your only goal is to mock and/or embarrass others.
>
> I do not appreciate it and I do not think it belongs here or, point in
> fact, anywhere.
>
> snarky does not equal clever.
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> and the tweed police (cue Cheap Trick song) seem to be on a donut break...
>

Why is that comment necessary? How does that help the conversation?
Your only goal is to mock and/or embarrass others.

I do not appreciate it and I do not think it belongs here or, point in
fact, anywhere.

snarky does not equal clever.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Peter Pesce]

While we're giving Specialized some love, and the tweed police (cue Cheap 
Trick song) seem to be on a donut break...

I have pair of Specialized Touring shoes that are comfortable, easy to walk 
in, and among the more graphically-understated options out there for SPD 
shoes:

http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCEqProduct.jsp?spid=64219


On Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:14:42 AM UTC-5, pb wrote:
>
> Specialized Toupe Gel -- Firm, does not feel "comfortable", but never 
> feels uncomfortable.  The gel is very thin, not mooshy.  Great saddle 
> for long miles.  Not very rivvish, for those who care. 
>
> Then there's Specialized clothing.  Their soft goods are absolutely 
> excellent.  Not very rivvish, for those who care. 
>
> On Mar 8, 2:33 am, robert zeidler  wrote: 
> > Over the past few months I have tried these saddles (mostly Avatars in 
> 143 
> > and 155 widths),andcan only say.Wow! 
> > 
> > These saddles are so supremely comfortable that w/ a couple of 
> exceptions 
> > for nicely broken Brooks, I will switch, over time, the entire fleet 
> over 
> > to them. 
> > 
> > Yesterday I went a bit longer than I intended (72 miles,but a nice early 
> > spring day), and while my legs were a bit knackered, everything else 
> went 
> > well. The highest compliment I can pay these saddles is that duting a 
> ride 
> > like this I never think about what I 'm sitting on, nor do I have to 
> make 
> > any position adjustments on the fly,they are that good. 
> > 
> > I would highly recommend these to anyone having comfort issues. Never 
> > thought I'd fine something better than Brooks or Selle Anatomica. Plus 
> no 
> > rain issues. 
> > 
> > YMMV. 
> > 
> > RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[pb]

Specialized Toupe Gel -- Firm, does not feel "comfortable", but never
feels uncomfortable.  The gel is very thin, not mooshy.  Great saddle
for long miles.  Not very rivvish, for those who care.

Then there's Specialized clothing.  Their soft goods are absolutely
excellent.  Not very rivvish, for those who care.

On Mar 8, 2:33 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Over the past few months I have tried these saddles (mostly Avatars in 143
> and 155 widths),andcan only say.Wow!
>
> These saddles are so supremely comfortable that w/ a couple of exceptions
> for nicely broken Brooks, I will switch, over time, the entire fleet over
> to them.
>
> Yesterday I went a bit longer than I intended (72 miles,but a nice early
> spring day), and while my legs were a bit knackered, everything else went
> well. The highest compliment I can pay these saddles is that duting a ride
> like this I never think about what I 'm sitting on, nor do I have to make
> any position adjustments on the fly,they are that good.
>
> I would highly recommend these to anyone having comfort issues. Never
> thought I'd fine something better than Brooks or Selle Anatomica. Plus no
> rain issues.
>
> YMMV.
>
> RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Montclair BobbyB]

Thank you, Specialized... My diabolical plan is working
Phase 1 (create new demand): complete...
Phase 2: flood the market with used Brooks saddles, thereby causing
worldwide prices to plummet
Phase 3: Start buying up unwanted inventory... and convert every
barstool in my underground lair to Brooks.

MBWHHAAA

Dr Evil
Rivendell owner, Brooks B17 preferred


On Mar 8, 10:29 am, Anne  wrote:
> WTB Pure V Pro here as well. Comfortable and works well. Tried the S-
> Works but came back the Pure V. Also seem to get along with the
> Aliante and ProLogo Scratch in the wider width. It's all so
> individual.
>
> On Mar 8, 10:01 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thanks for the tip on the Specialized - good to know. I have cheap, 20 year
> > old Specialized saddle on my beater bike that is still going strong.
> > And +1 for WTB, too. I have a WTB Pure V Pro that I like quite a bit. For
> > some reason I just can't get Brookses to work for me.
>
> > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:26:36 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for the heads up about these saddles. I've had thoughts of
> > > venturing away from Brooks for one of my bikes (Cross Check). For now
> > > it's got a Flite on it which I like. I'm most likely gonna give the
> > > WTB Pure V a try, I have a friend using this saddle on his rando bike
> > > and likes it. I also wouldn't mind revisiting the Selle San Marcos
> > > Concur. I had one on a bike years ago and it worked well.

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[RBW] Re: Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[Bill M.]

I saw that MAP with Loyal bags at NAHBS, very pretty indeed.

Bill

On Mar 7, 12:28 pm, David Yu Greenblatt
 wrote:
> I find these Loyal Designs panniers to be truly 
> appealing:http://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/6939511529/in/photostream
>
> -- David G, Madison WI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Scot Brooks  wrote:
> > I'm really close to pulling the trigger on some Ironweed panniers which
> > seem to be incredible bang-for-the-buck. I've also considered the Sackville
> > and Ostrich models. Any others that I should be considering?

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Bill M.]

I use a Specialized Alias on my go-fast.  Not cushy comfortable, but
it stays out of the way and doesn't give me any pain or numbness.

There's a new leather saddle just coming to market under the name
Rivet.  They debuted at NAHBS and apparently they sold most of what
they brought.  Two widths, one Swift-like (Diablo) and the other
B17ish (Pearl), and each will come in black, white or dark brown, and
with either steel or Ti rails.  I bought a brown Pearl with Ti rails
at the show, but haven't ridden it more than around the block yet.  I
think we'll be hearing a lot more about these.

http://rivetcycleworks.com/

Bill



On Mar 8, 2:33 am, robert zeidler  wrote:
> Over the past few months I have tried these saddles (mostly Avatars in 143
> and 155 widths),andcan only say.Wow!
>
> These saddles are so supremely comfortable that w/ a couple of exceptions
> for nicely broken Brooks, I will switch, over time, the entire fleet over
> to them.
>
> Yesterday I went a bit longer than I intended (72 miles,but a nice early
> spring day), and while my legs were a bit knackered, everything else went
> well. The highest compliment I can pay these saddles is that duting a ride
> like this I never think about what I 'm sitting on, nor do I have to make
> any position adjustments on the fly,they are that good.
>
> I would highly recommend these to anyone having comfort issues. Never
> thought I'd fine something better than Brooks or Selle Anatomica. Plus no
> rain issues.
>
> YMMV.
>
> RGZ

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Anne]

WTB Pure V Pro here as well. Comfortable and works well. Tried the S-
Works but came back the Pure V. Also seem to get along with the
Aliante and ProLogo Scratch in the wider width. It's all so
individual.

On Mar 8, 10:01 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> Thanks for the tip on the Specialized - good to know. I have cheap, 20 year
> old Specialized saddle on my beater bike that is still going strong.
> And +1 for WTB, too. I have a WTB Pure V Pro that I like quite a bit. For
> some reason I just can't get Brookses to work for me.
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:26:36 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the heads up about these saddles. I've had thoughts of
> > venturing away from Brooks for one of my bikes (Cross Check). For now
> > it's got a Flite on it which I like. I'm most likely gonna give the
> > WTB Pure V a try, I have a friend using this saddle on his rando bike
> > and likes it. I also wouldn't mind revisiting the Selle San Marcos
> > Concur. I had one on a bike years ago and it worked well.

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[RBW] Re: Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[Adam]

I was very impressed by the quality and appearance of the panniers
made
by "philosophy" bags as the NAHBS. They seemed to be one of the hits
of the weekend for
many.

Best,
Adam

On Mar 6, 3:01 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote:
> I'm really close to pulling the trigger on some Ironweed panniers which
> seem to be incredible bang-for-the-buck. I've also considered the Sackville
> and Ostrich models. Any others that I should be considering?

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Peter Pesce]

Thanks for the tip on the Specialized - good to know. I have cheap, 20 year 
old Specialized saddle on my beater bike that is still going strong.
And +1 for WTB, too. I have a WTB Pure V Pro that I like quite a bit. For 
some reason I just can't get Brookses to work for me.

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:26:36 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
>
> Thanks for the heads up about these saddles. I've had thoughts of 
> venturing away from Brooks for one of my bikes (Cross Check). For now 
> it's got a Flite on it which I like. I'm most likely gonna give the 
> WTB Pure V a try, I have a friend using this saddle on his rando bike 
> and likes it. I also wouldn't mind revisiting the Selle San Marcos 
> Concur. I had one on a bike years ago and it worked well. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[johnb]

Swift also has a great bag for large front racks.



On Wednesday, March 7, 2012 11:03:41 PM UTC-5, Mike On A Bike wrote:
>
> hmm now the Swifts are really tempting... A 25"X13"X6" roll-top 
> pannier with backpack conversion would have the same capacity as my 
> Rivendell Mountain Works Mariposa backpack and would eliminate the 
> need to awkwardly stuff a backpack away. Now I've been fatally tempted 
> by the fancy pannier finery...sigh. 
>
> On Mar 7, 10:12 pm, Mike On A Bike  wrote: 
> > I am currently hunting for some deluxe panniers as well for my new 
> > Hillborne that's just begging to be loaded down. As much of my riding 
> > is as a commuting student, one want that I'm wondering if I can 
> > satisfy is the ability to stuff a partially filled backpack in one of 
> > the panniers, while loading up my other books, laptop, etc. in the 
> > other. I'm really freaking tired of the sweaty back deal with riding 
> > with a backpack on. 
> > 
> > Just checked out the Swift page and their roll-top with backpack 
> > conversion option looks pretty tricky, but I'm wary of the price of 
> > these. I'm looking at Super-C rear panniers that are going for $140 
> > shipped from Wiggle, and the dimensions would suggest I might be able 
> > to cram the backpack in. Super-C's seem to have rave reviews from my 
> > research, though they are a bit drab looking. 
> > 
> > Any other urban commuter types who've come up with a good backpacking 
> > setup? I also have a Paul flatbed that could carry a backpack, but the 
> > catch is they're only rated to 25 lbs and that's not enough capacity 
> > for me. Have a Nitto touring rear rack that could handle a ton of 
> > bricks, and just want to find the best way to outfit it. 
> > 
> > On Mar 7, 9:20 pm, doc  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > +2 Swift Waxed Cotton 
> > 
> > >http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/06-10-11-020.jpg 
> > 
> > > On Mar 6, 6:01 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote: 
> > 
> > > > I'm really close to pulling the trigger on some Ironweed panniers 
> which 
> > > > seem to be incredible bang-for-the-buck. I've also considered the 
> Sackville 
> > > > and Ostrich models. Any others that I should be considering?

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[RBW] Re: Any truly appealing panniers I'm missing?

[johnb]

+4 on the Swift bags. I have the canvas roll-tops and they rule.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2012 6:01:03 PM UTC-5, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
> I'm really close to pulling the trigger on some Ironweed panniers which 
> seem to be incredible bang-for-the-buck. I've also considered the Sackville 
> and Ostrich models. Any others that I should be considering?

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[RBW] Re: Specialized saddles

[Mike]

Thanks for the heads up about these saddles. I've had thoughts of
venturing away from Brooks for one of my bikes (Cross Check). For now
it's got a Flite on it which I like. I'm most likely gonna give the
WTB Pure V a try, I have a friend using this saddle on his rando bike
and likes it. I also wouldn't mind revisiting the Selle San Marcos
Concur. I had one on a bike years ago and it worked well.

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[RBW] Re: Don't read if you don't like heresy (a.k.a. my new road bike which isn't a Rivendell)

[Mike]

William, congrats on the new bike. Yeah, those frames look great.
Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I'm in-between sizes otherwise I
might be considering one of their frames to take the spot vacated by
the sale of my Quickbeam. They seem to be designed well. Looks like
right now you can get brakes free with frame purchase.

http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/

Tomorrow I'll pick-up my Surly CC frame which I've made some changes
to in hopes of using it as my "go fast" bike. As for the space vacated
by the Quickbeam... I'm trying to stay focused on getting a Big Dummy.

--mike

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[RBW] Rare Sighting in the'bay area

[Marty]

Something about these early All Rounders that floats my boat in any bay. 
Good thing it's not my size, but it's one of those Rivs I would like to 
have around just to look at. If someone here picks it up, we need more pics!

*http://tinyurl.com/784glag*

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[RBW] Specialized saddles

[robert zeidler]

Over the past few months I have tried these saddles (mostly Avatars in 143
and 155 widths),andcan only say.Wow!

These saddles are so supremely comfortable that w/ a couple of exceptions
for nicely broken Brooks, I will switch, over time, the entire fleet over
to them.

Yesterday I went a bit longer than I intended (72 miles,but a nice early
spring day), and while my legs were a bit knackered, everything else went
well. The highest compliment I can pay these saddles is that duting a ride
like this I never think about what I 'm sitting on, nor do I have to make
any position adjustments on the fly,they are that good.

I would highly recommend these to anyone having comfort issues. Never
thought I'd fine something better than Brooks or Selle Anatomica. Plus no
rain issues.

YMMV.

RGZ

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