[RBW] Re: Oh the Places We Go!

[Philip Williamson]

That is a beautiful full Beat scat. 

Philip
biketinker.com

On Monday, September 3, 2012 4:29:46 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> I was just enjoying a lazy hot late afternoon Flicker Riv Group slide 
> show.  Holy Moly, not only a fantastic group of beautiful bikes, but all 
> the adventure that Riv's and their Rivsters have just makes me grin!  
> Sunshine, rain, snow, fog, night, day; cities, countrysides, mountains, 
> glaciers; great lakes, oceansides, riversides; harbor and coves; state 
> parks, national parks, county parks, city parks; suspension bridges, girder 
> bridges, covered bridges; east coast, west coast, middle east, vietnam, 
> japan; hauling gear, hauling beer, hauling corn; front racks, rear racks, 
> no racks; paved roads, dirt roads, gravel roads, sandy roads, no roads, no 
> trails, rocks . . . and then there's this odd place everyone seems to go.  
> It's filled with bikes and smiling new bike owners and a curious dude in 
> wool socks and sandals, baggy nylon knickers, a cowboy shirt, and a visor. 
>
> It really makes me feel part of something truly wonderful.
>
> thanks everyone,
> Liesl 
>

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[RBW] Re: Coral on my head

[BSWP]

Thanks for the tip, a Bern helmet like that just might get me wearing 
protection for my noggin again.
I would take a double-XL, and will see if REI or other source can special 
order for me.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Any Maryland Riv riders here?

[lungimsam]

>
> @johnb:
> Blue, Orange, or Green?
> Congrats on the new Rambouillet. Enjoy!
> What size?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: DiaCompe Brake Levers

[lungimsam]

>
> Looks like a reach adjuster? It looks mettallic though.
>

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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[lungimsam]

>
> They could call the Tig-ged riv the "Tig-Pig".
>

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[RBW] Re: Coral on my head

[lungimsam]

>
> "Coral". That's a cool comparison!
> Is the helmet hot to wear? Looks hotter than coral since it has less 
> ventilation holes?
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] FT: Nitto Deluxe stem (new, in bag) for your Technomic.

[lungimsam]

I have a brand new, sealed in plastic bag, Nitto Deluxe stem. It says 
"Deluxe 13" on the stem. Barcode labels are on bag. Says 22.2/60/130 140 on 
the labels.
It measures 135mm from center of expander bolt head to dead-center middle 
of the handlebar clamp. I guess this means it is a 13cm stem? 14? 13.5?
 
I need a Technomic that measures 95mm, same dimension. Doesn't have to be 
new in bag. But would like something in new shape. Never crashed/impacted. 
Original parts.
The one I have now is 85mm. Need a smidge longer.
 
I am a little confused, as I am not sure how Nitto stems are to be 
measured. But this is the dimension I am using for the trade info.
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Mystery Bike Test Ride

[grant]

Four are still in paint. Three are painted here, one has been assembled and 
needs to be boxed and shipped, and not everybody's on the Forum. The 
bike...to me, is astounding. I just love how it feels, everything it does. 
It's not a sportsy bike or the kind of bike that---well, at some point 
we'll have a production model (meaning I think it is a good design). The 
specials have a Riv badge and a Protovelo decal---although Thomas's went 
out before decaling, so I sent him a decal and instructions. All of the 
specials get a single top-mounted decal on the diagatube.

On Monday, September 3, 2012 6:47:16 PM UTC-7, Peter Pesce wrote:
>
> So let me get this straight. There were 10 of these made IIRC and only one 
> person has fessed up to receiving theirs, and hardly any pictures? 
> Something's fishy. ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Peter Morgano]

Ah we all have our wants. I wanted a rivendell with a 59cm non sloping top
tube like a 61cm atlantis but in 650b to reduce stand over. Something like
a 58cm AHH but with clearance for 60s. I feel I am in custom range there
though unfortunately.
On Sep 3, 2012 10:52 PM, "charlie"  wrote:

> Me too on the 54cm and 58 cm 'Hunk' sizing..the 58cm would have been
> fine in a non up sloping frame but I think more than slightly too tall for
> me otherwise with bigger tires.
>
> On Monday, September 3, 2012 4:32:15 PM UTC-7, Michael_S wrote:
>>
>> a fat tire tourer! ... sounds like a winner to me. Hopefully with lugs
>> and cantilever brakes.
>>
>>  And maybe  in a size I want to buy, as I'm between sizes on the
>> Hunqapillar, 54 too small for me ( I don't like tall stems and posts) , 58
>> too big in standover.
>>
>> Looking forward to this one.
>>
>> ~mike
>> Carlsbad, Ca
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:13:38 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe wrote:
>>>
>>> I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the  price
>>> range of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy
>>> duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!   I haven't seen this
>>> mentioned here or in the blog but it's got me excited!!   I've had my eye
>>> on a Hunqapillar for some time but budgetary constraints make it unlikely
>>> I'll ever get one.  If RBW comes out with a budget Hunqa, which is what
>>> this sounds like, then I will be really interested!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[charlie]

Me too on the 54cm and 58 cm 'Hunk' sizing..the 58cm would have been 
fine in a non up sloping frame but I think more than slightly too tall for 
me otherwise with bigger tires.

On Monday, September 3, 2012 4:32:15 PM UTC-7, Michael_S wrote:
>
> a fat tire tourer! ... sounds like a winner to me. Hopefully with lugs and 
> cantilever brakes.
>
>  And maybe  in a size I want to buy, as I'm between sizes on the 
> Hunqapillar, 54 too small for me ( I don't like tall stems and posts) , 58 
> too big in standover. 
>
> Looking forward to this one.
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad, Ca 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:13:38 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe wrote:
>>
>> I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the  price 
>> range of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy 
>> duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!   I haven't seen this 
>> mentioned here or in the blog but it's got me excited!!   I've had my eye 
>> on a Hunqapillar for some time but budgetary constraints make it unlikely 
>> I'll ever get one.  If RBW comes out with a budget Hunqa, which is what 
>> this sounds like, then I will be really interested!  
>>  
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: DiaCompe Brake Levers

[Eric Norris]

Switched to a new set of brake levers (purchased from another member on this 
list), so this set of very lightly used levers from my Rivendell Road Standard 
is up for sale.  DiaCompe levers designed for aero cable routing.

$17 shipped in the CONUS.

$2 discount to anybody who can tell me what the plastic knob that screws onto 
the front part of the lever is for. 

Photos here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157631396099394/show/

--Eric Norris
www.campyonly.com 

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[RBW] Re: Mystery Bike Test Ride

[Peter Pesce]

So let me get this straight. There were 10 of these made IIRC and only one 
person has fessed up to receiving theirs, and hardly any pictures? Something's 
fishy. ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Peter Pesce]

Soma sells their fancy lugged Stanyan for $700 ish, so I'd guess thats about as 
cheap as lugs can get. Below that youre in a very crowded market. Both Soma and 
Surly sell very sensible frames at the 4-600 price point. 

Pete (with a Soma Double Cross Disc on order to replace my LHT) in CT

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Re: [RBW] New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[jimD]

Steve,
Ha!
This gets my vote as the post of week.
I wouldn't be interested in a non lugged Riv UNLESS it had this head badge.
Then I'd be all over that puppy,…er pig, I guess.
Thanks,
JimD
On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> 
> Here's the headbadge for that TIGged Rivendell:
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Seems like a great idea, since the Bombadil f/f is $3k, and the 
intended-budget-Bomba Hunqapillar isn't exactly an inexpensive alternative 
at $1875. I know they are great frames that cost what great frames cost, 
but it's gotta be a tough sell for a lot of potential buyers looking at a 
complete bike price of at least $4k.

Lugs? Of course! A lugless Rivendell doesn't make any sense at all. 
Disc-brakes? I seem to recall some early ruminations that the Bomba would 
be disc-compatible. Having this new frame with a disc option and with 
thread-in canti-posts may broaden the appeal. Retro-purists could always 
just get one of the other models if the superfluous disc mounts are deemed 
too offensive.

In any case, whatever it turns out to be: I like it!



On Sunday, September 2, 2012 11:13:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe wrote:
>
> I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the  price 
> range of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy 
> duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!   I haven't seen this 
> mentioned here or in the blog but it's got me excited!!   I've had my eye 
> on a Hunqapillar for some time but budgetary constraints make it unlikely 
> I'll ever get one.  If RBW comes out with a budget Hunqa, which is what 
> this sounds like, then I will be really interested!  
>  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Oh the Places We Go!

[cyclotourist]

Needs 29 more enlightened individuals to hit 1,000!!!
http://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendell/pool/

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Bruce Herbitter
wrote:

> +1 like
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Liesl  wrote:
>
>> I was just enjoying a lazy hot late afternoon Flicker Riv Group slide
>> show.  Holy Moly, not only a fantastic group of beautiful bikes, but all
>> the adventure that Riv's and their Rivsters have just makes me grin!
>> Sunshine, rain, snow, fog, night, day; cities, countrysides, mountains,
>> glaciers; great lakes, oceansides, riversides; harbor and coves; state
>> parks, national parks, county parks, city parks; suspension bridges, girder
>> bridges, covered bridges; east coast, west coast, middle east, vietnam,
>> japan; hauling gear, hauling beer, hauling corn; front racks, rear racks,
>> no racks; paved roads, dirt roads, gravel roads, sandy roads, no roads, no
>> trails, rocks . . . and then there's this odd place everyone seems to go.
>> It's filled with bikes and smiling new bike owners and a curious dude in
>> wool socks and sandals, baggy nylon knickers, a cowboy shirt, and a visor.
>>
>> It really makes me feel part of something truly wonderful.
>>
>> thanks everyone,
>> Liesl
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Peter Morgano]

Agreed, there are only beautiful new ones and beautiful ones with lovely
beausage.
On Sep 3, 2012 8:17 PM, "Joe Bernard"  wrote:

> An ugly Rivendell? That just doesn't seem right.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Monday, September 3, 2012 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
>> Didn't you read the interview w/ Grant, regarding his Yosemite thoughts?
>> http://www.urbanvelo.org/**issue32/p76-77.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Joe Bernard]

An ugly Rivendell? That just doesn't seem right.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, September 3, 2012 3:59:30 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:

> Didn't you read the interview w/ Grant, regarding his Yosemite thoughts?
> http://www.urbanvelo.org/issue32/p76-77.html
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Re: [RBW] Oh the Places We Go!

[Bruce Herbitter]

+1 like

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> I was just enjoying a lazy hot late afternoon Flicker Riv Group slide
> show.  Holy Moly, not only a fantastic group of beautiful bikes, but all
> the adventure that Riv's and their Rivsters have just makes me grin!
> Sunshine, rain, snow, fog, night, day; cities, countrysides, mountains,
> glaciers; great lakes, oceansides, riversides; harbor and coves; state
> parks, national parks, county parks, city parks; suspension bridges, girder
> bridges, covered bridges; east coast, west coast, middle east, vietnam,
> japan; hauling gear, hauling beer, hauling corn; front racks, rear racks,
> no racks; paved roads, dirt roads, gravel roads, sandy roads, no roads, no
> trails, rocks . . . and then there's this odd place everyone seems to go.
> It's filled with bikes and smiling new bike owners and a curious dude in
> wool socks and sandals, baggy nylon knickers, a cowboy shirt, and a visor.
>
> It really makes me feel part of something truly wonderful.
>
> thanks everyone,
> Liesl
>
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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Ginz]

I believe that pigs would sooner fly for lugs than disc brakes.  Hope
you like cantis!

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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Michael_S]

a fat tire tourer! ... sounds like a winner to me. Hopefully with lugs and 
cantilever brakes.

 And maybe  in a size I want to buy, as I'm between sizes on the 
Hunqapillar, 54 too small for me ( I don't like tall stems and posts) , 58 
too big in standover. 

Looking forward to this one.

~mike
Carlsbad, Ca 




On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:13:38 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe wrote:
>
> I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the  price 
> range of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy 
> duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!   I haven't seen this 
> mentioned here or in the blog but it's got me excited!!   I've had my eye 
> on a Hunqapillar for some time but budgetary constraints make it unlikely 
> I'll ever get one.  If RBW comes out with a budget Hunqa, which is what 
> this sounds like, then I will be really interested!  
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Oh the Places We Go!

[Liesl]

I was just enjoying a lazy hot late afternoon Flicker Riv Group slide 
show.  Holy Moly, not only a fantastic group of beautiful bikes, but all 
the adventure that Riv's and their Rivsters have just makes me grin!  
Sunshine, rain, snow, fog, night, day; cities, countrysides, mountains, 
glaciers; great lakes, oceansides, riversides; harbor and coves; state 
parks, national parks, county parks, city parks; suspension bridges, girder 
bridges, covered bridges; east coast, west coast, middle east, vietnam, 
japan; hauling gear, hauling beer, hauling corn; front racks, rear racks, 
no racks; paved roads, dirt roads, gravel roads, sandy roads, no roads, no 
trails, rocks . . . and then there's this odd place everyone seems to go.  
It's filled with bikes and smiling new bike owners and a curious dude in 
wool socks and sandals, baggy nylon knickers, a cowboy shirt, and a visor. 

It really makes me feel part of something truly wonderful.

thanks everyone,
Liesl 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Dave]

Unbeatable idea!

On 9/3/2012 3:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 15:18 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
*/Tig welds!?!?!?/* (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter hits study 
floor. Pipe tumbles from mouth. Rises from studded leather chair, 
forefinger extended to ceiling). 
(Incredulous) *Perish the thought! Tut, tut...(*clears throat, trying 
to settle self with dignity). 
Don't give RBW any bright ideas. 
Let them know we'll settle for nothing less from them than lugs, 
lugs, lugs (at least I won't). 
I am sure they can do a budget with lugs. 
Weren't there quality, affordable lugged steel bikes ~1960-1980? *: )*


Here's the headbadge for that TIGged Rivendell:

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Leslie]

Didn't you read the interview w/ Grant, regarding his Yosemite thoughts?
http://www.urbanvelo.org/issue32/p76-77.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Lyle Bogart]

Ha! I'd actually buy that headbadge (but not the TIGged Riv. . . ),
presuming the usual gorgeous cloisonné work!

On 3 September 2012 18:24, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> **
> On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 15:18 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
>
> *Tig welds!?!?!?* (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter hits study floor.
> Pipe tumbles from mouth. Rises from studded leather chair, forefinger
> extended to ceiling).
>
>  (Incredulous) *Perish the thought! Tut, tut...(*clears throat, trying to
> settle self with dignity).
>
>
>
>  Don't give RBW any bright ideas.
>
>  Let them know we'll settle for nothing less from them than lugs, lugs,
> lugs (at least I won't).
>
>  I am sure they can do a budget with lugs.
>
>  Weren't there quality, affordable lugged steel bikes ~1960-1980? *: )*
>
>
> Here's the headbadge for that TIGged Rivendell:
>
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[RBW] Re: Lotta good Rivish stuff for sale

[Forrest]

The TRP brake levers are sold.


On Monday, September 3, 2012 11:15:32 AM UTC-5, Forrest wrote:
>
>
> Photos of all this stuff here: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/sets/72157631386190800/
>
> I take PayPal. Inquiries off-list, please. Shipping might not be 
> super-fast as I'm in process of moving.
>
>
> Sackville TrunkSack Large -- grid grey (the lighter shade)
>
> $90, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Sackville SaddleSack Medium -- grid grey (the darker shade). Barely used; 
> in great shape.
>
> $150, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Baggins banana bag, canvas, well-used, but it has beausage character and 
> tons of life left in it.
>
> $40, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Two Acorn handlebar bags (older style), one darker tan, one lighter tan. 
> A little road grime, but not damaged -- years of use left in them.
>
> $55 each, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> TRP Ultra-Ergo Road Brake Levers, silver drilled allow version, tan gum 
> hoods
>
> $80, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50, used about three times
>
> $65, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 80mm forward extension
>
> $35, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Sugino Triple crankset, 172.5 arms, 48/36/24
>
> $85, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Sugino Triple crankset, 170 arms, 48/36/24
>
> $85, includes shipping in CONUSA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 15:18 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
> Tig welds!?!?!? (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter hits study floor.
> Pipe tumbles from mouth. Rises from studded leather chair, forefinger
> extended to ceiling).
> (Incredulous) Perish the thought! Tut, tut...(clears throat, trying to
> settle self with dignity).
>  
> Don't give RBW any bright ideas.
> Let them know we'll settle for nothing less from them than lugs, lugs,
> lugs (at least I won't).
> I am sure they can do a budget with lugs.
> Weren't there quality, affordable lugged steel bikes ~1960-1980? : )


Here's the headbadge for that TIGged Rivendell:


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[RBW] Coral on my head

[Kip Otteson]

I had a student comment about bike helmets and he told me that he didn't 
like all the helmets that looked like coral on people's heads.  I don't 
really like them either and this summer I bought a new helmet and I'm very 
pleased with it.  It's a Bern Watts and it is a much more substantial 
helmet than the old Giro Atmos it replaced.  It has a built in visor that 
is very effective at blocking sun and rain.  The visor is actually like a 
shorty bill cap.  Very cool.  If you are looking for a new helmet I think 
this one is right up the Rivish alley.

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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[lungimsam]

*Tig welds!?!?!?* (Rivendell Reader/Brooks Newsletter hits study floor. 
Pipe tumbles from mouth. Rises from studded leather chair, forefinger 
extended to ceiling).
(Incredulous) *Perish the thought! Tut, tut...(*clears throat, trying to 
settle self with dignity).
 
Don't give RBW any bright ideas.
Let them know we'll settle for nothing less from them than lugs, lugs, lugs 
(at least I won't).
I am sure they can do a budget with lugs.
Weren't there quality, affordable lugged steel bikes ~1960-1980? *: )*
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[James Warren]

Well, I didn't mention the issue of lugged versus tig, because I expect that 
any Rivendell will be lugged.

And now that you bring it up, I'll point out that a beautiful lugged bike with 
disc brakes would be pretty cool and a bit unique.

I'm not sure if the brakes would complicate fender attaching at the dropouts, 
but at the fork crown and seatstay bridge, things would be a bit more free.


On Sep 3, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Aren't there a decent amount of tig welded-disc brake bikes out there right 
> now? Good cantis or v brakes have the power of disc brakes anyway I have 
> found, although discs are easier to set up. I hate the idea of a tig welded 
> rivendell, what is the point? I believe one of rivendells mottos is "always 
> lugged, always steel"
> 
> On Sep 3, 2012 5:53 PM, "James Warren"  wrote:
> 
> I would like it if this bike were made ready for disc brakes. Mechanical ones.
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Matt Beebe]

I remember reading on the blug about this frame about year ago(?) but can't 
find the post.Definitely intriguing whenever a new model is in the 
pipeline.   It's fun to watch the design process unfold and I'm glad Riv 
shares the process in the RR and blug to the extent they do.

> This is good and interesting news. I wonder if Riv will finally 
> produce a tig welded frame. "


I'm pretty sure the blug post said it wouldn't be tigged-if it's 
Rivendell it must have lugs.. which makes pricing tough, but they won't 
veer from lugs.



On Monday, September 3, 2012 5:44:05 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>
> On Sep 2, 9:13 am, "clampe1...@cox.net"  wrote: 
> >  there is a super heavy duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013! 
>
> This is good and interesting news. I wonder if Riv will finally 
> produce a tig welded frame. Wasn't there mention a while back of Keven 
> and Dave designing a bike? I think so. 
>
> There have been times when I've lusted for a Riv touring frame and 
> then other times when I've that my LHT could handle all my bike needs-- 
> touring, commuting, randonneuring and just riding. 
>
> mike 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Peter Morgano]

Aren't there a decent amount of tig welded-disc brake bikes out there right
now? Good cantis or v brakes have the power of disc brakes anyway I have
found, although discs are easier to set up. I hate the idea of a tig welded
rivendell, what is the point? I believe one of rivendells mottos is "always
lugged, always steel"
On Sep 3, 2012 5:53 PM, "James Warren"  wrote:

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> I would like it if this bike were made ready for disc brakes. Mechanical
> ones.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[James Warren]

I would like it if this bike were made ready for disc brakes. Mechanical ones.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike Test Ride

[J. Burkhalter]

On Monday, September 3, 2012 8:47:43 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Before I remove the entire Mark's 
> Rack/Platracks/fender-mounted-with-daruma assembly to try them, does anyone 
> know whether Paul Racers have better fender clearance than the Tektro side 
> pulls on the bike now?
>
>
The Paul Racers have much better fender clearance than the Tektros.  I have 
them on my Bleriot and they offer oodles of room for Hetres and fenders. 
 I've even fit the Schwalbe Fatties and fenders under the Racers (not 
recommended, though).  The have 54mm of horizontal clearance, IIRC.  

-Jay  

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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Mike]

On Sep 2, 9:13 am, "clampe1...@cox.net"  wrote:
>  there is a super heavy duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!

This is good and interesting news. I wonder if Riv will finally
produce a tig welded frame. Wasn't there mention a while back of Keven
and Dave designing a bike? I think so.

There have been times when I've lusted for a Riv touring frame and
then other times when I've that my LHT could handle all my bike needs--
touring, commuting, randonneuring and just riding.

mike

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[RBW] FS: Carnac Carlit Touring Shoes Size 46 (45)

[Eric Norris]

Riv-ish shoes with loads of French style.  No cleats, no SPD, just 
old-fashioned cycling goodness.

Bought these in unused condition and used them maybe twice. Going back to 
cleated shoes, so these are for sale.

Excellent condition. A few very minor scuffs on the soles.

These are marked as size 46, but I usually wear size 45 and these fit me 
perfectly.

$100 shipped in the CONUS.

Photos here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/7924840466/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/7924844466/in/photostream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/7924853424/in/photostream/lightbox/

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[RBW] Re: Acorn Small Handlebar Bag F/S

[Jack]

Is the bag still for sale? If so, what color is it and what is the price?
Jack
 

On Sunday, September 2, 2012 12:11:41 PM UTC-4, Andy Williams wrote:

> I purchased a small Acorn Handlebar Bag (as well as the larger one), and 
> have no need for it.
>
> Here's the link to their site:
>
> http://www.acornbags.com/smhdlbarbag.html
>
> It's never been used, and now it's for sale!   Please contact me off list 
> if interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
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Re: [RBW] Rivish Beater in NYC

[Glenn Ammons]

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Corwin  wrote:

> Hence we would like to find a beater. I take it Craigslist is the usual
> place one finds these kinds of things. Are there any other places in NYC
> (or nearby) we might also find such a beater?


I wouldn't buy a bike in NYC.  Too expensive.  Buy it somewhere else.  And
definitely invest in a good lock and make sure she knows how to use it.

--glenn
West Chester, PA, USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Bagman Questions

[George Schick]

Take a look at the bag heights that Peter lists on his web site and for the 
Bagman, too.  Then remember that your Bagman is going to sit about one and 
a half inches lower than it normally would if mounted on an unsprung saddle 
rail.  This means that you might get by with a standard size Bagman (Sport 
or whatever they call it) instead of an Expedition.

On Monday, September 3, 2012 11:13:54 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> Sure, I would love some pics. Do you think the expedition size bagman 
> would be overkill for the Pendle? I only ask since Peter White has a 30% 
> off sale so the expedition through them is the same price as the sport at 
> Wallbike. Also, has anyone seen the new Bagman they are selling at Ben's? I 
> looks like it would have better support, but a bit on the ugly side I feel. 
> maybe I am just being too picky?  
> http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=10875
>  
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, George Schick 
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes, I have a bike with a Brooks Champion Flyer that has a Bagman mounted 
>> to the lower set of saddle rails along with a Carradice Barley bag hanging 
>> from the bag loops.  It works just fine and I've had it loaded with lots of 
>> heavy cargo from time to time.  If you stop and think about it, the Bagman 
>> is fastened to the lower "fixed" set of rails while the bag hangs from the 
>> loops on the rear saddle frame that sits on top of the springs.  So when 
>> you go bouncing over bumps and the springs compress, the load in the saddle 
>> bag (that sits on the Bagman frame) simply stays in one place.  And yes, 
>> having the Bagman does make a big difference in the vertical positioning of 
>> those pockets.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:11:19 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all, love my carradice products but a combination of a sprung 
>>> saddle (B67) and setback seatpost makes it sit where the pockets can 
>>> have stuff jump out of them occasionaly. The bag is almost horizontal 
>>> instead of sitting straight up.  I was wondering if anyone has used 
>>> the carradice bagman with a sprung saddle succesfully? I called 
>>> Wallbike and Peter White but both times got a vauge "should work" 
>>> which seemed to be a way to just say no. My seat is all the way back 
>>> so i should have enough rail space, is it just a question of rail 
>>> spacing? Also if it does work does anyone have a used bagman sport 
>>> they want to let go of on the cheap?  Thanks all. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[charlie]

Oh me too.I've been vexed over the decision to downsize and sell my 
Simplone and Hillborne then convert my parts off my Surly Trucker to an 
Atlantis or a 'Hunk' but I'm not totally sold on the 54cm size Hunk not 
wanting so much seat post sticking up etc. and I like the double top tubes 
of the Hillborne but desire a Riv frame to replace my Trucker but with 
clearances for wider tires and really stout so I can ride it loaded at my 
weight and still use it as a commuter/all purpose machine with lights etc. 
but lugged (unlike my Trucker) which I like fit wise and all.  Two G's for 
an Atlantis is a tough pill to swallow but something like it would be a 
close match to my Trucker as far as parts and fit. Guess you can't please 
all the people all the time and Riv has quite a few models. We cyclist's 
can be a picky bunch

On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:13:38 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe wrote:
>
> I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the  price 
> range of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy 
> duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!   I haven't seen this 
> mentioned here or in the blog but it's got me excited!!   I've had my eye 
> on a Hunqapillar for some time but budgetary constraints make it unlikely 
> I'll ever get one.  If RBW comes out with a budget Hunqa, which is what 
> this sounds like, then I will be really interested!  
>  
>  
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Re: [RBW] New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[Brian Hanson]

Just keep saving - by then you might find yourself with enough for a
Hunqapillar.  Awesome bike that one...

Brian
Seattle, WA

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:13 AM, clampe1...@cox.net wrote:

> I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the  price
> range of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy
> duty tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!   I haven't seen this
> mentioned here or in the blog but it's got me excited!!   I've had my eye
> on a Hunqapillar for some time but budgetary constraints make it unlikely
> I'll ever get one.  If RBW comes out with a budget Hunqa, which is what
> this sounds like, then I will be really interested!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Did I just get flipped off???

[Cyclofiend]

On Sep 1, 2012, at 2:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

I was cruising (casually, coolly, smoothly, urbanely) home in the  
hooks on the gofast (elegant in khaki shorts and Hawaiian shirt)  
when I was passed by a young 30- or 40-something in-and-on usual kit  
who, as he passed, gave me a hand signal consisting of fist with  
thumb and little finger extended. I know that in Hawaii this means  
something like, "go easy". Is that what it means on the mainland, or  
did I fail to respond to an insult? (It was insult enough that he  
passed me -- young whippersnapper -- *&$)!@)#*!! -- identifying more  
and more with Abe Simpson -- and just as confused).


Anyway, as nice as Hawaiian shirts are, they flap annoyingly against  
a headwind.


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Re: [RBW] Did I just get flipped off???

[Cyclofiend]

On Sep 1, 2012, at 2:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

I was cruising (casually, coolly, smoothly, urbanely) home in the  
hooks on the gofast (elegant in khaki shorts and Hawaiian shirt)  
when I was passed by a young 30- or 40-something in-and-on usual kit  
who, as he passed, gave me a hand signal consisting of fist with  
thumb and little finger extended. I know that in Hawaii this means  
something like, "go easy". Is that what it means on the mainland, or  
did I fail to respond to an insult? (It was insult enough that he  
passed me -- young whippersnapper -- *&$)!@)#*!! -- identifying more  
and more with Abe Simpson -- and just as confused).


Anyway, as nice as Hawaiian shirts are, they flap annoyingly against  
a headwind.


"Shaka Bra!" = Right On.  It's cool.  Hey, alright!  Hang Loose.

Kind of situation specific, but all of 'em is "All Good"!  Never seen  
it as a negative gesture.


- Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike Test Ride

[Johan Larsson]

Strange that the clearances are that tight. It's also pretty strange that 
it can fit wider tires/fenders than the brakes can handle. (Tektro 559 I 
assume?) Seems like cantilever brake mounts should have been more 
appropriate.

Johan,
Sweden

On Monday, September 3, 2012 2:47:43 PM UTC+2, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Well, I was going to wait till it was fully built -- fenders, racks, 
> bags, the works.  But the inevitable glitches reared their ugly heads: 41mm 
> Marathons don't permit 52mm VO fenders, so tried terra cotta SOMA Xpress, 
> which permit the fenders, but then it turns out that the brakes aren't wide 
> enough for the fenders (and in any case Grant urged the EA group not to use 
> tires < 38mm (pedal strike issues), which may eliminate the ~35mm New 
> Xpress rubber as a solution. (Nice looking, though!). Before I remove the 
> entire Mark's Rack/Platracks/fender-mounted-with-daruma assembly to try 
> them, does anyone know whether Paul Racers have better fender clearance 
> than the Tektro side pulls on the bike now?
>
>  Anyway, maybe time to post a few shots without all the accoutrements, to 
> prove (as Manny would say) that the bike actually can be ridden!
>
>
>  
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Marc Irwin" > 
> wrote:
>
>   we still like pictures!
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:30:05 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: 
>>
>> I don't need pictures to prove it happened, I can see you grinning!  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:11:25 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: 
>>>
>>>  Oh, boy...
>>>  
>>> Fixed the bent derailleur hanger and dropout on my Mystery Bike, 
>>> finished a quick basic assembly last night, and took it for a brief trial 
>>> run (no lights, so only a couple of miles) around the neighborhood.
>>>  
>>> Verdict: Wow.  It's unquestionably the must luxurious bike I've ever 
>>> ridden -- smoothes out bumps like they weren't there (~40mm Marathons may 
>>> have something to do with that, but they're certainly not the most supple 
>>> mid-fat tire in the line-up, so I think it's mostly the bike).  Not just a 
>>> Cadillac -- it's a Rolls limo.  But at the same time it handles 
>>> beautifully, goes exactly where it's pointed (even at very low speeds), and 
>>> is insanely comfortable in the saddle.  And the most amazing thing is that 
>>> with the Bullmoose Bosco bars, when I stood up to mash on a high gear 
>>> uphill (the derailleur/shifter was slipping, so I didn't shift much -- I'll 
>>> work on that tonight), it was as if somebody had reached down and made the 
>>> perfect bike/fit for me alone.  The grips were in the perfect spot; 
>>> everything seemed perfectly aligned; it was really almost too easy.
>>>  
>>> This bike is a home run.
>>>  
>>> It's going to be my main commuter and errand bike, so it's getting a 
>>> Platrack with large Wald basket and large Shopsack on the front, and a 
>>> large Nitto Rear Rack on the back, probably with some Swift Industries 
>>> Short Stack panniers.  SON hub with Supernova lights front and rear.  VO 
>>> fluted aluminum fenders.  And maybe even some of them-there Thin Gripsters, 
>>> too.  Or maybe a set of Hillbubba's Grip King Deluxes.
>>>  
>>> Woo-hoo!
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@
>>> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *clamp...@cox.net
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:29 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!
>>>
>>>  Has this particular bike or any of the other ones been posted as a 
>>> completed build?   I really, really like the look of the one posted in this 
>>> thread.  
>>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11:53 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: 

 Is here, but no time to assemble.  But here's a pic... 

 No name, no decals. We can call it whatever we want! 


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[RBW] Re: Lotta good Rivish stuff for sale

[CraigM]

Interested in the baggins bag and technomic stem. 

On Monday, September 3, 2012 10:15:32 AM UTC-6, Forrest wrote:

>
> Photos of all this stuff here:  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/sets/72157631386190800/
>
> I take PayPal. Inquiries off-list, please. Shipping might not be 
> super-fast as I'm in process of moving.
>
>
>  Sackville TrunkSack Large -- grid grey (the lighter shade)
>
> $90, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Sackville SaddleSack Medium -- grid grey (the darker shade). Barely used; 
> in great shape.
>
> $150, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Baggins banana bag, canvas, well-used, but it has beausage character and 
> tons of life left in it.
>
> $40, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Two Acorn handlebar bags (older style), one darker tan, one lighter tan. 
> A little road grime, but not damaged -- years of use left in them.
>
> $55 each, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> TRP Ultra-Ergo Road Brake Levers, silver drilled allow version, tan gum 
> hoods
>
> $80, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50, used about three times
>
> $65, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 80mm forward extension
>
> $35, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Sugino Triple crankset, 172.5 arms, 48/36/24
>
> $85, includes shipping in CONUSA
>
>
> Sugino Triple crankset, 170 arms, 48/36/24
>
> $85, includes shipping in CONUSA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Maryland Riv riders here?

[Colin Bortner]

I'm in DC, but my SimpleOne and I make regular trips around MD,
particularly to the Annapolis area.


On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:35 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
>> I am in Ellicott City. Very close!
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[RBW] Re: 1988 Suntour Small Parts Catalog, oddities

[pruckelshaus]

Pre-select was used with the indexed stem shifters.  IIRC, it had a 
spring-loaded cable mounting bolt on the RD that allowed the rider to shift 
(or "pre-select") while they were not pedaling, then the shift would happen 
once they started pedaling.

On Sunday, September 2, 2012 10:43:07 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Cross-posted from Internet-Bob because I know lots of Rivendell people 
> like shiney Suntour bits. I found this on Craigslist last week. I found 
> several unusual bits I'd never heard of:
> Ergonomic MTB grips called Palm Control, which I presume were 
> grip-shifters similar to Campagnolo in which the entire grip moved for 
> shifts.
> Have you ever seen indexed stem shifters? Me neither. They had 
> friction-left/friction-index-right and a single righthand fiction-index 
> shifter for bikes without front derailers. 
> Two rear derailers with something called a "pre-select mechanism". I have 
> no idea what that is. 
> The number of groups they were running in 1988 is staggering. Paging 
> through the book, it's hard to believe they were gone six years later.
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] New "budget" Riv in Summer 2013?

[clampe1...@cox.net]

I was looking at Rivendell's bike picker feature and under the  price range 
of the San Marcos, Hillborne and Betty Foy, there is a super heavy duty 
tour bike listed for the Summer of 2013!   I haven't seen this mentioned 
here or in the blog but it's got me excited!!   I've had my eye on a 
Hunqapillar for some time but budgetary constraints make it unlikely I'll 
ever get one.  If RBW comes out with a budget Hunqa, which is what this 
sounds like, then I will be really interested!  
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Any Maryland Riv riders here?

[John Stowe]

Building up a blue Sam in DC right now... eventually I'll ride it into MD, 
but my normal orbit takes me into VA more often.

On Saturday, September 1, 2012 9:50:05 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Leisl's post about seeing peeps in her area got me thinking.
>  
> I have never seen a  Riv ridden in MD, at least in my neck of the woods, 
> that I know of.
>  
> Anyone here ride a Riv in MD?
>

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[RBW] Re: Any Maryland Riv riders here?

[lungimsam]

>
> That would be cool to see a Riv go by.
>  
>
Yes, Ellicott City is hilly. And the further west in Howard County you 
go, it gets hillier.
Frederick road from Ellicott City into Mt. Airy is good training grounds. 
Up-n-down the whole way.
We don't have mountains or anything, but the hills here ar tough enough for 
my knees.

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[RBW] Lotta good Rivish stuff for sale

[boomer]

I'll buy the TRP brake levers.  Let me know.

Ph

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[RBW] Lotta good Rivish stuff for sale

[Forrest]

The two Acorn handlebar bags are sold.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike Test Ride

[charlie]

Photographs of the process would be interesting..

On Monday, September 3, 2012 5:47:43 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Well, I was going to wait till it was fully built -- fenders, racks, 
> bags, the works.  But the inevitable glitches reared their ugly heads: 41mm 
> Marathons don't permit 52mm VO fenders, so tried terra cotta SOMA Xpress, 
> which permit the fenders, but then it turns out that the brakes aren't wide 
> enough for the fenders (and in any case Grant urged the EA group not to use 
> tires < 38mm (pedal strike issues), which may eliminate the ~35mm New 
> Xpress rubber as a solution. (Nice looking, though!). Before I remove the 
> entire Mark's Rack/Platracks/fender-mounted-with-daruma assembly to try 
> them, does anyone know whether Paul Racers have better fender clearance 
> than the Tektro side pulls on the bike now?
>
>  Anyway, maybe time to post a few shots without all the accoutrements, to 
> prove (as Manny would say) that the bike actually can be ridden!
>
>
>  
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Marc Irwin" > 
> wrote:
>
>   we still like pictures!
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:30:05 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: 
>>
>> I don't need pictures to prove it happened, I can see you grinning!  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:11:25 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: 
>>>
>>>  Oh, boy...
>>>  
>>> Fixed the bent derailleur hanger and dropout on my Mystery Bike, 
>>> finished a quick basic assembly last night, and took it for a brief trial 
>>> run (no lights, so only a couple of miles) around the neighborhood.
>>>  
>>> Verdict: Wow.  It's unquestionably the must luxurious bike I've ever 
>>> ridden -- smoothes out bumps like they weren't there (~40mm Marathons may 
>>> have something to do with that, but they're certainly not the most supple 
>>> mid-fat tire in the line-up, so I think it's mostly the bike).  Not just a 
>>> Cadillac -- it's a Rolls limo.  But at the same time it handles 
>>> beautifully, goes exactly where it's pointed (even at very low speeds), and 
>>> is insanely comfortable in the saddle.  And the most amazing thing is that 
>>> with the Bullmoose Bosco bars, when I stood up to mash on a high gear 
>>> uphill (the derailleur/shifter was slipping, so I didn't shift much -- I'll 
>>> work on that tonight), it was as if somebody had reached down and made the 
>>> perfect bike/fit for me alone.  The grips were in the perfect spot; 
>>> everything seemed perfectly aligned; it was really almost too easy.
>>>  
>>> This bike is a home run.
>>>  
>>> It's going to be my main commuter and errand bike, so it's getting a 
>>> Platrack with large Wald basket and large Shopsack on the front, and a 
>>> large Nitto Rear Rack on the back, probably with some Swift Industries 
>>> Short Stack panniers.  SON hub with Supernova lights front and rear.  VO 
>>> fluted aluminum fenders.  And maybe even some of them-there Thin Gripsters, 
>>> too.  Or maybe a set of Hillbubba's Grip King Deluxes.
>>>  
>>> Woo-hoo!
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@
>>> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *clamp...@cox.net
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:29 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!
>>>
>>>  Has this particular bike or any of the other ones been posted as a 
>>> completed build?   I really, really like the look of the one posted in this 
>>> thread.  
>>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11:53 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: 

 Is here, but no time to assemble.  But here's a pic... 

 No name, no decals. We can call it whatever we want! 


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>>

[RBW] Re: 1988 Suntour Small Parts Catalog, oddities

[Jeremy Till]

I imagine "pre-select" mechanism might be some kind of spring-loaded cable 
anchor bolt, allowing the rider to move the shifter a couple of gears while 
stopped, so the derailleur would shift immediately once they got going.  
Shimano "light action" derailleurs from that era had the same feature.  
Makes them damned difficult to adjust, however.  

On Sunday, September 2, 2012 7:43:07 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Cross-posted from Internet-Bob because I know lots of Rivendell people 
> like shiney Suntour bits. I found this on Craigslist last week. I found 
> several unusual bits I'd never heard of:
> Ergonomic MTB grips called Palm Control, which I presume were 
> grip-shifters similar to Campagnolo in which the entire grip moved for 
> shifts.
> Have you ever seen indexed stem shifters? Me neither. They had 
> friction-left/friction-index-right and a single righthand fiction-index 
> shifter for bikes without front derailers. 
> Two rear derailers with something called a "pre-select mechanism". I have 
> no idea what that is. 
> The number of groups they were running in 1988 is staggering. Paging 
> through the book, it's hard to believe they were gone six years later.
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike Test Ride

[Jeremy Till]

Never having touched a Paul Racer, * in theory * the Racer or any 
dual-pivot centerpull should maximize clearance for a given brake reach, 
since the dual-pivot centerpull configuration allows both arms to move up 
they actuate the brake, rather than one pivoting down as is so on 
dual-pivot sidepulls.  

On Monday, September 3, 2012 5:47:43 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Well, I was going to wait till it was fully built -- fenders, racks, 
> bags, the works.  But the inevitable glitches reared their ugly heads: 41mm 
> Marathons don't permit 52mm VO fenders, so tried terra cotta SOMA Xpress, 
> which permit the fenders, but then it turns out that the brakes aren't wide 
> enough for the fenders (and in any case Grant urged the EA group not to use 
> tires < 38mm (pedal strike issues), which may eliminate the ~35mm New 
> Xpress rubber as a solution. (Nice looking, though!). Before I remove the 
> entire Mark's Rack/Platracks/fender-mounted-with-daruma assembly to try 
> them, does anyone know whether Paul Racers have better fender clearance 
> than the Tektro side pulls on the bike now?
>
>  Anyway, maybe time to post a few shots without all the accoutrements, to 
> prove (as Manny would say) that the bike actually can be ridden!
>
>
>  
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Marc Irwin" > 
> wrote:
>
>   we still like pictures!
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:30:05 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: 
>>
>> I don't need pictures to prove it happened, I can see you grinning!  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:11:25 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: 
>>>
>>>  Oh, boy...
>>>  
>>> Fixed the bent derailleur hanger and dropout on my Mystery Bike, 
>>> finished a quick basic assembly last night, and took it for a brief trial 
>>> run (no lights, so only a couple of miles) around the neighborhood.
>>>  
>>> Verdict: Wow.  It's unquestionably the must luxurious bike I've ever 
>>> ridden -- smoothes out bumps like they weren't there (~40mm Marathons may 
>>> have something to do with that, but they're certainly not the most supple 
>>> mid-fat tire in the line-up, so I think it's mostly the bike).  Not just a 
>>> Cadillac -- it's a Rolls limo.  But at the same time it handles 
>>> beautifully, goes exactly where it's pointed (even at very low speeds), and 
>>> is insanely comfortable in the saddle.  And the most amazing thing is that 
>>> with the Bullmoose Bosco bars, when I stood up to mash on a high gear 
>>> uphill (the derailleur/shifter was slipping, so I didn't shift much -- I'll 
>>> work on that tonight), it was as if somebody had reached down and made the 
>>> perfect bike/fit for me alone.  The grips were in the perfect spot; 
>>> everything seemed perfectly aligned; it was really almost too easy.
>>>  
>>> This bike is a home run.
>>>  
>>> It's going to be my main commuter and errand bike, so it's getting a 
>>> Platrack with large Wald basket and large Shopsack on the front, and a 
>>> large Nitto Rear Rack on the back, probably with some Swift Industries 
>>> Short Stack panniers.  SON hub with Supernova lights front and rear.  VO 
>>> fluted aluminum fenders.  And maybe even some of them-there Thin Gripsters, 
>>> too.  Or maybe a set of Hillbubba's Grip King Deluxes.
>>>  
>>> Woo-hoo!
>>>
>>>  --
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>>> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *clamp...@cox.net
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:29 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!
>>>
>>>  Has this particular bike or any of the other ones been posted as a 
>>> completed build?   I really, really like the look of the one posted in this 
>>> thread.  
>>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11:53 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: 

 Is here, but no time to assemble.  But here's a pic... 

 No name, no decals. We can call it whatever we want! 


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[RBW] Lotta good Rivish stuff for sale

[Forrest]

Photos of all this stuff here: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/sets/72157631386190800/

I take PayPal. Inquiries off-list, please. Shipping might not be super-fast 
as I'm in process of moving.


Sackville TrunkSack Large -- grid grey (the lighter shade)

$90, includes shipping in CONUSA


Sackville SaddleSack Medium -- grid grey (the darker shade). Barely used; 
in great shape.

$150, includes shipping in CONUSA


Baggins banana bag, canvas, well-used, but it has beausage character and 
tons of life left in it.

$40, includes shipping in CONUSA


Two Acorn handlebar bags (older style), one darker tan, one lighter tan. A 
little road grime, but not damaged -- years of use left in them.

$55 each, includes shipping in CONUSA


TRP Ultra-Ergo Road Brake Levers, silver drilled allow version, tan gum 
hoods

$80, includes shipping in CONUSA


Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50, used about three times

$65, includes shipping in CONUSA


Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 80mm forward extension

$35, includes shipping in CONUSA


Sugino Triple crankset, 172.5 arms, 48/36/24

$85, includes shipping in CONUSA


Sugino Triple crankset, 170 arms, 48/36/24

$85, includes shipping in CONUSA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice Bagman Questions

[Peter Morgano]

Sure, I would love some pics. Do you think the expedition size bagman would
be overkill for the Pendle? I only ask since Peter White has a 30% off sale
so the expedition through them is the same price as the sport at Wallbike.
Also, has anyone seen the new Bagman they are selling at Ben's? I looks
like it would have better support, but a bit on the ugly side I feel. maybe
I am just being too picky?
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=10875

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, George Schick  wrote:

> Yes, I have a bike with a Brooks Champion Flyer that has a Bagman mounted
> to the lower set of saddle rails along with a Carradice Barley bag hanging
> from the bag loops.  It works just fine and I've had it loaded with lots of
> heavy cargo from time to time.  If you stop and think about it, the Bagman
> is fastened to the lower "fixed" set of rails while the bag hangs from the
> loops on the rear saddle frame that sits on top of the springs.  So when
> you go bouncing over bumps and the springs compress, the load in the saddle
> bag (that sits on the Bagman frame) simply stays in one place.  And yes,
> having the Bagman does make a big difference in the vertical positioning of
> those pockets.
>
>
> On Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:11:19 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Hey all, love my carradice products but a combination of a sprung
>> saddle (B67) and setback seatpost makes it sit where the pockets can
>> have stuff jump out of them occasionaly. The bag is almost horizontal
>> instead of sitting straight up.  I was wondering if anyone has used
>> the carradice bagman with a sprung saddle succesfully? I called
>> Wallbike and Peter White but both times got a vauge "should work"
>> which seemed to be a way to just say no. My seat is all the way back
>> so i should have enough rail space, is it just a question of rail
>> spacing? Also if it does work does anyone have a used bagman sport
>> they want to let go of on the cheap?  Thanks all.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Carradice Bagman Questions

[Adam]

I use the Flyer saddle with the bagman and a medium sized saddle bag from 
riv with good results. Occasionally on a bumpy trail I might have to 
tighten the bagman's primary attachment bolt but no problems with pocket 
positioning.

Happy to send a photo if it would be helpful.

Adam

On Sunday, September 2, 2012 2:11:19 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Hey all, love my carradice products but a combination of a sprung 
> saddle (B67) and setback seatpost makes it sit where the pockets can 
> have stuff jump out of them occasionaly. The bag is almost horizontal 
> instead of sitting straight up.  I was wondering if anyone has used 
> the carradice bagman with a sprung saddle succesfully? I called 
> Wallbike and Peter White but both times got a vauge "should work" 
> which seemed to be a way to just say no. My seat is all the way back 
> so i should have enough rail space, is it just a question of rail 
> spacing? Also if it does work does anyone have a used bagman sport 
> they want to let go of on the cheap?  Thanks all. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Carradice Bagman Questions

[George Schick]

Yes, I have a bike with a Brooks Champion Flyer that has a Bagman mounted 
to the lower set of saddle rails along with a Carradice Barley bag hanging 
from the bag loops.  It works just fine and I've had it loaded with lots of 
heavy cargo from time to time.  If you stop and think about it, the Bagman 
is fastened to the lower "fixed" set of rails while the bag hangs from the 
loops on the rear saddle frame that sits on top of the springs.  So when 
you go bouncing over bumps and the springs compress, the load in the saddle 
bag (that sits on the Bagman frame) simply stays in one place.  And yes, 
having the Bagman does make a big difference in the vertical positioning of 
those pockets.


On Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:11:19 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> Hey all, love my carradice products but a combination of a sprung 
> saddle (B67) and setback seatpost makes it sit where the pockets can 
> have stuff jump out of them occasionaly. The bag is almost horizontal 
> instead of sitting straight up.  I was wondering if anyone has used 
> the carradice bagman with a sprung saddle succesfully? I called 
> Wallbike and Peter White but both times got a vauge "should work" 
> which seemed to be a way to just say no. My seat is all the way back 
> so i should have enough rail space, is it just a question of rail 
> spacing? Also if it does work does anyone have a used bagman sport 
> they want to let go of on the cheap?  Thanks all. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike Test Ride

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Well, I was going to wait till it was fully built -- fenders, racks, bags, the 
works.  But the inevitable glitches reared their ugly heads: 41mm Marathons 
don't permit 52mm VO fenders, so tried terra cotta SOMA Xpress, which permit 
the fenders, but then it turns out that the brakes aren't wide enough for the 
fenders (and in any case Grant urged the EA group not to use tires < 38mm 
(pedal strike issues), which may eliminate the ~35mm New Xpress rubber as a 
solution. (Nice looking, though!). Before I remove the entire Mark's 
Rack/Platracks/fender-mounted-with-daruma assembly to try them, does anyone 
know whether Paul Racers have better fender clearance than the Tektro side 
pulls on the bike now?

Anyway, maybe time to post a few shots without all the accoutrements, to prove 
(as Manny would say) that the bike actually can be ridden!



On Sep 1, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Marc Irwin" 
mailto:irwin7...@gmail.com>> wrote:

we still like pictures!

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:30:05 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
I don't need pictures to prove it happened, I can see you grinning!


On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:11:25 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
Oh, boy...

Fixed the bent derailleur hanger and dropout on my Mystery Bike, finished a 
quick basic assembly last night, and took it for a brief trial run (no lights, 
so only a couple of miles) around the neighborhood.

Verdict: Wow.  It's unquestionably the must luxurious bike I've ever ridden -- 
smoothes out bumps like they weren't there (~40mm Marathons may have something 
to do with that, but they're certainly not the most supple mid-fat tire in the 
line-up, so I think it's mostly the bike).  Not just a Cadillac -- it's a Rolls 
limo.  But at the same time it handles beautifully, goes exactly where it's 
pointed (even at very low speeds), and is insanely comfortable in the saddle.  
And the most amazing thing is that with the Bullmoose Bosco bars, when I stood 
up to mash on a high gear uphill (the derailleur/shifter was slipping, so I 
didn't shift much -- I'll work on that tonight), it was as if somebody had 
reached down and made the perfect bike/fit for me alone.  The grips were in the 
perfect spot; everything seemed perfectly aligned; it was really almost too 
easy.

This bike is a home run.

It's going to be my main commuter and errand bike, so it's getting a Platrack 
with large Wald basket and large Shopsack on the front, and a large Nitto Rear 
Rack on the back, probably with some Swift Industries Short Stack panniers.  
SON hub with Supernova lights front and rear.  VO fluted aluminum fenders.  And 
maybe even some of them-there Thin Gripsters, too.  Or maybe a set of 
Hillbubba's Grip King Deluxes.

Woo-hoo!


From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
clamp...@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:29 PM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Mystery Bike!

Has this particular bike or any of the other ones been posted as a completed 
build?   I really, really like the look of the one posted in this thread.
On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11:53 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
Is here, but no time to assemble.  But here's a pic...

No name, no decals. We can call it whatever we want!


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[RBW] Re: Any Maryland Riv riders here?

[islaysteve]

I'm in Kensington.  Ellicott City is very nice, you have some challenging 
hills there!  You probably wouldn't have seen me lately even if you were 
riding here, as I haven't been on the bike much.  I've seen at least one 
Riv, an orange Quickbeam on Beach Drive. I'm sure there are others. 
 Cheers, Steve


On Saturday, September 1, 2012 9:50:05 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Leisl's post about seeing peeps in her area got me thinking.
>  
> I have never seen a  Riv ridden in MD, at least in my neck of the woods, 
> that I know of.
>  
> Anyone here ride a Riv in MD?
>

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