Re: [RBW] Cycling Apps

[René Sterental]

Try MotionX GPS. Best for maps and finding your way...
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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Andrew McGinley  wrote:

> so cycle meter is worth the $5?
> On May 4, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Andrew McGinley wrote:
>> Forgive me if this is a tired topic, but I'd love to have a simple app that 
>> tells me how far I've gone as I'm riding based on my iPhone's GPS.   Also it 
>> would be wonderful to have an app that allows me to record my bikes, swims 
>> and runs and then totals them up and so forth.  
>> 
>> Problem is, many of the apps I've looked into are little rah rah rah 
>> personal trainers…  Or "here's what you need to do to have ripped abs based 
>> on your weight and age and religion and the cycle of the moon"…….and so 
>> forth.   
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> 
>>> I have a Lucas cyclometer and a pocket watch on one of my bikes - but I 
>>> mostly use MapMyRide on my smartphone :.)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saturday Sam

[René Sterental]

Where on the Bay Trail is this? Beautiful. 
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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Looks like a fun ride!!
>  
> Thanks for sharing.
>  
> How do you like yor moustache bars?
>  
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[RBW] Re: Saturday Sam

[Ron Mc]

all the best roads follow the river - great photos and beautiful bike

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 8:30:58 PM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote:
>
> They're new to me since Feb. and I *love* them!
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:06:45 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Looks like a fun ride!!
>>  
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>  
>> How do you like yor moustache bars?
>>  
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Rivendell unicycle. Do you have one?

[Christopher Murray]

I don't think they ever made a unicycle. I believe Grant made two seperate 
references to unicycles- one in an interview and one in the reader. I believe 
it was a 650b lugged unicycle to be specific. I would 100% buy one! 

Cheers! 
cm

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[RBW] Rivendell unicycle. Do you have one?

[Michael]

Anyone have one?
 
Article said they were making them in an old RivReader.
Wonder if they ever came out.

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[RBW] Re: derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[Michael]

Love the paint on that!
Wonder what it is a proto for?
Doesn't seem like RBW is heading in the road bike direction these days with 
all the talk of Apaloosa's and such.

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[RBW] Re: Show me your overstuffed Small Sackville Saddlesack

[Joe K]

No pictures from me either, but I bought the Small thinking it would likely 
be all I ever need, then discovered how much room a coiled cable lock, tool 
bag, spare tube and windbreaker or poncho take up -- it's like half the 
UNstuffed bag.  I haven't really tested its overstuffed capacity.

On my particular bike, the Small just looks "right," in proportion, and 
doesn't interfere with the canti brake cable.  Aesthetically, the Medium 
would look massive, but I know that extra capacity could prove useful one 
day.

Joe K

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 8:26:04 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> No pictures, but I over stuff mine with my Filson Makinaw Cruiser spilling 
> out each side, with the pack holding my rain jacket, gloves, socks, pipe 
> pouch, and I'm pretty sure I've had 1-2 shirts and my moccasins in there as 
> well. That's actually one of the reasons I'm trying to figure out how to 
> carry stuff in the front, because for 8 months of the year in the Colorado 
> mountains, I need to be ready for 20-80 degrees if I'm out all day long, 
> often before dawn. It's a pain to undo everything to get something on the 
> inside when pressure packed item fly everywhere with the release of the 
> leather strap. My vote is to go for the medium if you aren't sure. If I 
> can't figure out the front load for regular riding (I've got it figured for 
> camping/touring), I'll go with the medium.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:09:49 PM UTC-6, SJB wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking about moving away from front loads on my commuter. 
>> Currently, I use an Ostrich front bad on a VO front rack.
>> Riv's small Saddlesack has a smaller capacity than my Ostrich bag, but I 
>> think it might work. I think the medium would be way too large for my needs 
>> (which are just lunch containers and the dress clothes I've worn during the 
>> day.)
>>
>> Would any of you have pics of your Saddlesacks stuffed to capacity or 
>> beyond? It looks like the flap closure will allow for some overfilling, but 
>> I'd like to see how this works.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?

[Nick Payne]

I used speckled tape - mostly yellow with a bit of black - on my Bleriot. 
Photo here: 
https://picasaweb.google.com/100520469917381690611/Bleriot650B?authkey=Gv1sRgCKf5oICHh6WXQA#5533178535725403314

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[RBW] Rivendell East Events

[Andrew McGinley]

Hey Folks,

Just curious if there are any Rivendellesque events coming up in the Eastern 
region.  I'm in Loudoun County, west of Washington DC, but I get around to the 
mid-East coast and near Midwest…..

Is there a website with events listed etc.?   I saw that Riv East event held in 
April, 2012……..

Many thanks!


Andrew




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Re: [RBW] Cycling Apps

[Nick Payne]

Is the Google app My Tracks available for iPhone? It's what I use on my
Android, it's free, and it does what you're asking.
http://www.google.com/mobile/mytracks/


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Andrew McGinley  wrote:

> Forgive me if this is a tired topic, but I'd love to have a simple app
> that tells me how far I've gone as I'm riding based on my iPhone's GPS.
> Also it would be wonderful to have an app that allows me to record my
> bikes, swims and runs and then totals them up and so forth.
>
> Problem is, many of the apps I've looked into are little rah rah rah
> personal trainers…  Or "here's what you need to do to have ripped abs based
> on your weight and age and religion and the cycle of the moon"…….and so
> forth.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> >I have a Lucas cyclometer and a pocket watch on one of my bikes - but I
> mostly use MapMyRide on my smartphone :.)
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Re: [RBW] Cycling Apps

[Andrew McGinley]

so cycle meter is worth the $5?




On May 4, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Andrew McGinley wrote:

> Forgive me if this is a tired topic, but I'd love to have a simple app that 
> tells me how far I've gone as I'm riding based on my iPhone's GPS.   Also it 
> would be wonderful to have an app that allows me to record my bikes, swims 
> and runs and then totals them up and so forth.  
> 
> Problem is, many of the apps I've looked into are little rah rah rah personal 
> trainers…  Or "here's what you need to do to have ripped abs based on your 
> weight and age and religion and the cycle of the moon"…….and so forth.   
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
>> I have a Lucas cyclometer and a pocket watch on one of my bikes - but I 
>> mostly use MapMyRide on my smartphone :.)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2013-05-04 at 18:30 -0700, Marc Irwin wrote:
> If you found yourself reaching your mileage goal halfway through the
> season, why would you bother to keep track?

I would revise my goal, as I did last year when I found myself rolling
over 10,000 in the middle of a ride last November.   I figured I'd just
go to the end of the year, see how high it got; and as it turned out,
when I reached 11,111 I was about 2 miles from the end of the ride on
Dec 31.  That seemed like a round enough number for me, so I shut off
the computer.

But that's not why I record mileage anyway.  I started tracking
maintenance after a couple of post-retirement high mileage years, when I
realized with six bikes I ride regularly, I had totally lost track of
when I'd replaced chains, cassettes and tires.  Now I have a much better
idea how long such items last, and had the facts to back up my feeling
that the Challenge Parigi-Roubaix flatted three times more often than
the Grand Bois Cypres for me.



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[RBW] Re: Saturday Sam

[Kellie Stapleton]

They're new to me since Feb. and I *love* them!

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:06:45 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
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> Looks like a fun ride!!
>  
> Thanks for sharing.
>  
> How do you like yor moustache bars?
>  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Marc Irwin]

If you found yourself reaching your mileage goal halfway through the 
season, why would you bother to keep track?

Marc

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 4:30:14 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 19:47 -0700, Marc Irwin wrote: 
> > I'm speechless. 
> > 
> > 
>
> And I have absolutely no idea why. 
>
>
> > Marc 
> > 
> > On Friday, May 3, 2013 5:51:04 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
> > On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 14:01 -0700, Marc Irwin wrote: 
> > > I used to use a Cateye to log mileage and stay on target for 
> > the 
> > > season.  Then, when gas hit $2 permanently, I said "screw 
> > this, I'm 
> > > only driving when absolutely necessary."  I started enjoying 
> > myself 
> > > more, and the computer went into a trash can as I passed my 
> > mileage 
> > > goal in July. 
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't understand.  How does wishing to minimize your driving 
> > relate to 
> > not using a computer to keep track of your mileage?  The two 
> > are 
> > entirely separate. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Saturday Sam

[Michael]

Looks like a fun ride!!
 
Thanks for sharing.
 
How do you like yor moustache bars?
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Show me your overstuffed Small Sackville Saddlesack

[Deacon Patrick]

No pictures, but I over stuff mine with my Filson Makinaw Cruiser spilling 
out each side, with the pack holding my rain jacket, gloves, socks, pipe 
pouch, and I'm pretty sure I've had 1-2 shirts and my moccasins in there as 
well. That's actually one of the reasons I'm trying to figure out how to 
carry stuff in the front, because for 8 months of the year in the Colorado 
mountains, I need to be ready for 20-80 degrees if I'm out all day long, 
often before dawn. It's a pain to undo everything to get something on the 
inside when pressure packed item fly everywhere with the release of the 
leather strap. My vote is to go for the medium if you aren't sure. If I 
can't figure out the front load for regular riding (I've got it figured for 
camping/touring), I'll go with the medium.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:09:49 PM UTC-6, SJB wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about moving away from front loads on my commuter. Currently, 
> I use an Ostrich front bad on a VO front rack.
> Riv's small Saddlesack has a smaller capacity than my Ostrich bag, but I 
> think it might work. I think the medium would be way too large for my needs 
> (which are just lunch containers and the dress clothes I've worn during the 
> day.)
>
> Would any of you have pics of your Saddlesacks stuffed to capacity or 
> beyond? It looks like the flap closure will allow for some overfilling, but 
> I'd like to see how this works.
>
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Show me your overstuffed Small Sackville Saddlesack

[SJB]

I'm thinking about moving away from front loads on my commuter. Currently, 
I use an Ostrich front bad on a VO front rack.
Riv's small Saddlesack has a smaller capacity than my Ostrich bag, but I 
think it might work. I think the medium would be way too large for my needs 
(which are just lunch containers and the dress clothes I've worn during the 
day.)

Would any of you have pics of your Saddlesacks stuffed to capacity or 
beyond? It looks like the flap closure will allow for some overfilling, but 
I'd like to see how this works.

Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa - the first of a whole new horse breed?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I will certainly do that if the B136 does not work. Even my brother, who
doesn't like to ride upright, says the A's are "great".

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Try the Albatross bars, Patrick. I think you'll find they climb just fine.
> I regularly climb miles long mountain passes slow and steady, and pop up
> short rollers without problems, both with and without touring weight. The
> more upright position is delicious! My preferred hand position for climbing
> is forward toward the bend, but the furthest rear grip works very well
> also. Play with hand, brake, and shifter position before you wrap the bars
> to get things worked out. Enjoy playing!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:38:39 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> One concern I have about using Albatross bars is that I fear that the
>> upright position might make me lose power (and I don't have much). I always
>> feel stronger when pushing from well behind the bb with my torso at 45* or
>> more -- I often naturally fall into the hooks when I want a bit of power up
>> a rise or against a wind -- the hooks are for power as much as aerodynamics.
>>
>> I look at old roadsters and can see that, with their hugely slack seat
>> tubes, even sitting upright you have a large bend between hips and torso.
>> How does this work with a steep 72* or 73* seat tube?
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>> "When I rode the proto, Keven made the comparison to engine placement in
>> a sports car.  Just going upright on a bike with "normal" chainstay length,
>> you end up with something like an early 80's Porsche, with the engine
>> hanging out over the rear wheels, making the front end of the car light.
>> In bikes, this becomes a problem for attacking steep climbs, since the
>> front wheel won't stay planted.  According to Keven, extending the
>> chainstays helps make things more balanced in turn and allows you to stay
>> upright with your butt planted in the saddle on climbs, rather than lean"
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Conceding Defeat: Midge bar, cheap.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Phil: actually, drop bars with ends set level are alright -- my palm is
still sensitive but it's the best hook position available. The problem with
the Midge and ilk is that you can't set them level -- they don't work so
positioned.

Mike: like the 46 Noodle, the RM013 and -14 are too deep and wide. I can
accept wide if the bar is shallow, or deep (Noodle) if the bar is narrow
(42 cm) but both together are awkward.

I hope that the B136 -- longer and shallower and mid-width at 44 -- will be
an acceptable compromise.

I may be chasing two different goals in two opposite directions. If the
rando bar does not work, I will definitely try an Albatross or similar --
less of an issue now that the Ram has taken over the Fargo's utility
pavement riding.

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> there is also the Nitto  RM013 that is sort of in between a Midge and
> Noodle.  I really prefer the Noodle shape to anything I've tried.  And when
> I tried the 46's after riding 44's for a while it
> was nirvana, especially off-road. I now have 4 sets of 46's.
>
> ~mike
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[RBW] Re: custom Atlantis color

[jinxed]

YES YES!! That thar's a funmobile!

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[RBW] Saturday Sam

[Kellie Stapleton]

Just a nice little 15 miler, me and the Sam, most on the SF Bay Trail.







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[RBW] Re: Cycling computers

[Frank Quan]

Cateye Strada wireless on my Litespeed.  No computer on my Rivendell.  

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Re: [RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

[Brian Hanson]

Yes - it helps to add the link...

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjEXEmYM

Brian


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:

> Happy to oblige.  Just took some photos on the commute to work yesterday.
>  Still get comments on this copper paint!
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
>> Not an Atlantis, but maybe stonehog (?) will pop in with a pic of his
>> copper AHH. Nicest paint I've ever seen in person. Really incredible,
>> especially when it's actually sunny here in Seattle.
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Re: [RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

[Brian Hanson]

Happy to oblige.  Just took some photos on the commute to work yesterday.
 Still get comments on this copper paint!

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


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> Not an Atlantis, but maybe stonehog (?) will pop in with a pic of his
> copper AHH. Nicest paint I've ever seen in person. Really incredible,
> especially when it's actually sunny here in Seattle.
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[RBW] Re: Conceding Defeat: Midge bar, cheap.

[Mike Schiller]

there is also the Nitto  RM013 that is sort of in between a Midge and 
Noodle.  I really prefer the Noodle shape to anything I've tried.  And when 
I tried the 46's after riding 44's for a while it 
was nirvana, especially off-road. I now have 4 sets of 46's. 

~mike


 

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[RBW] Re: Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

[Kelly]

This is Dawn's red Atlantis.   

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8435669648/in/set-72157626241665432/

Kelly

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 1:20:39 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> I own a new to me Atlantis that was well loved and used.  It could really 
> use fresh paint.  Initially, I was going to have it custom painted red with 
> cream head tube.  However, when it arrived I discovered that I really like 
> the blue/green standard color. It looks much nicer in person than displayed 
> on a computer screen.  To help me with my decision on frame color, I have 
> visited Jim's http://www.cyclofiend.com website and viewed all the 
> Beautidul Atlantis bikes featured.  Does anyone else have pictures of their 
> custom painted Atlantis that they would be willing to share?  
> Many thanks, Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 19:47 -0700, Marc Irwin wrote:
> I'm speechless.
> 
> 

And I have absolutely no idea why.


> Marc
> 
> On Friday, May 3, 2013 5:51:04 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 14:01 -0700, Marc Irwin wrote: 
> > I used to use a Cateye to log mileage and stay on target for
> the 
> > season.  Then, when gas hit $2 permanently, I said "screw
> this, I'm 
> > only driving when absolutely necessary."  I started enjoying
> myself 
> > more, and the computer went into a trash can as I passed my
> mileage 
> > goal in July. 
> > 
> 
> I don't understand.  How does wishing to minimize your driving
> relate to 
> not using a computer to keep track of your mileage?  The two
> are 
> entirely separate. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Shimano bar-end shifters & Albatross bars for commuting

[WETH]

I wanted to provide an update after all the helpful responses.  I installed 
the bar end shifters on the Albatross bars, and the set-up has worked 
great.  The index shifting is both accurate as well as fast.  I have no 
trouble switching through several gears when I need to.  I also focussed on 
my over-shifting habit.  Thanks again for all the advice and insight.
>
> Photos prove the set-up changed:
Before with trekking bars and grip shifts:

[image: Surly+LHT+2013-1036.jpg]

After with Albatross bars and bar end shifters:

[image: Surly+Alba+%281+of+3%29.jpg]

More on the new set up 
here: http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Surly-LHT/28441200_bmjtbS

Thanks again for all the assistance.

Erl

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RE: [RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

[Scot Brooks]

Not an Atlantis, but maybe stonehog (?) will pop in with a pic of his copper 
AHH. Nicest paint I've ever seen in person. Really incredible, especially when 
it's actually sunny here in Seattle. 

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis in the DC/Baltimore Metro Area?

[Joan Oppel]

My friend in Alexandria, near Bailey's Crossroads.  I'll ask her and get back to you, she's out of town this weekend.  Joan   On 05/04/13, Andrew McGinley wrote: Folks,Are there any Rivendell Atlantis owners in the DC or Baltimore area?  I'd like to set my eyes upon one of these bikes.  Is there any store that would have one in stock?I feel myself falling into the "market" for what I think could be a 56cm/26" Atlantis.  I'm west of Leesburg right near the end of the W&OD Trail.   Anyone?  Andrew7O3-796-six675-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



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[RBW] Missed Connection: 22nd and Lombard, Philly

[justinaugust]

You: on red All Rounder(?) barreling down Lombard. 
Me: waiting to put my SimpleOne on the bus for my morning commute. 

We: should ride bikes together 

-Justin, PHL

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RE: [RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107210911/in/set-72157624427413755

It's better looking in person (just like you said about the stock color).  I 
have the color wheel number if you're interested.

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Subject: [RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

I own a new to me Atlantis that was well loved and used.  It could really use 
fresh paint.  Initially, I was going to have it custom painted red with cream 
head tube.  However, when it arrived I discovered that I really like the 
blue/green standard color. It looks much nicer in person than displayed on a 
computer screen.  To help me with my decision on frame color, I have visited 
Jim's http://www.cyclofiend.com website and viewed all the Beautidul Atlantis 
bikes featured.  Does anyone else have pictures of their custom painted 
Atlantis that they would be willing to share?  
Many thanks, Erl

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[RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?

[NWAJack]

Very pretty indeed, thanks much.  Is that clear or amber?

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

[René Sterental]

+1 for GPS... and a bike sensor for backup... Leave the computer in your pocket 
if you don't want to look at the numbers...


I also tried several iPhone apps, and depending on the purpose, these are the 
ones I like:


Cyclemeter for general purpose riding. 
Wahoo for general riding and uploading to different websites. 
Motion X GPS for riding off-road riding since it has the best maps which show 
all the trails. It also allows uploading and a lot of other stuff. 


On my Garmin 810 I'm now using the OpenStreet maps which I find much better 
than the Garmin. Motion X uses the same maps. 


What I found cumbersome is having the iPhone on the bars. 


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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Andrew McGinley  wrote:

> thing about computers is, at least for me, I spend a lot of time CALIBRATING 
> the damn thing.You set it based on the wheel and tire combination, but 
> that's never correct so for the next seventeen rides you are tweaking it.   
> You watch every mile marker like a hawk to confirm how close to accurate your 
> computer is.   So you start doing all sorts of calculations in your head like 
> "OK, that last mile marker my computer said 9.52 instead of 9.50….that means, 
> I need to check it the next time."  Then the next time it says 10.54 and you 
> are like "a-ha!  I'm onto you.  So, halfway through this ride, I'll waste 10 
> minutes figuring out how to access the calibration function (with one button) 
> so I can take 1 index off the wheel-diameter…or is it add 1 index….hmmm…..doe 
> s smaller number produce a lower or higher reading….h"And then when 
> you turn around on the ride, you are like…."OK gotta stop at PRECISELY at 
> this mile marker and place the wheels down without letting them turn 
> unnecessarily so I can continue my certifiable obsession with accuracy on the 
> return trip……"then the next time your tires aren't the same pressure and 
> you even more screwed up…
> meanwhile a thousand spring trees have passed you by that you will never 
> again get to see in just that way in just that same afternoon light and 
> thinking about something elegant and free and beautiful…...…..
> On May 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
>> if you don't mind the wires, the Cateye Cadence is cheap
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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa - the first of a whole new horse breed?

[Deacon Patrick]

Try the Albatross bars, Patrick. I think you'll find they climb just fine. 
I regularly climb miles long mountain passes slow and steady, and pop up 
short rollers without problems, both with and without touring weight. The 
more upright position is delicious! My preferred hand position for climbing 
is forward toward the bend, but the furthest rear grip works very well 
also. Play with hand, brake, and shifter position before you wrap the bars 
to get things worked out. Enjoy playing!

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:38:39 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One concern I have about using Albatross bars is that I fear that the 
> upright position might make me lose power (and I don't have much). I always 
> feel stronger when pushing from well behind the bb with my torso at 45* or 
> more -- I often naturally fall into the hooks when I want a bit of power up 
> a rise or against a wind -- the hooks are for power as much as aerodynamics.
>
> I look at old roadsters and can see that, with their hugely slack seat 
> tubes, even sitting upright you have a large bend between hips and torso. 
> How does this work with a steep 72* or 73* seat tube?
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Jeremy Till 
> > wrote:
> "When I rode the proto, Keven made the comparison to engine placement in 
> a sports car.  Just going upright on a bike with "normal" chainstay length, 
> you end up with something like an early 80's Porsche, with the engine 
> hanging out over the rear wheels, making the front end of the car light.  
> In bikes, this becomes a problem for attacking steep climbs, since the 
> front wheel won't stay planted.  According to Keven, extending the 
> chainstays helps make things more balanced in turn and allows you to stay 
> upright with your butt planted in the saddle on climbs, rather than lean"
>  

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[RBW] Share Photos of Your Custom Painted Atlantis

[WETH]

I own a new to me Atlantis that was well loved and used.  It could really use 
fresh paint.  Initially, I was going to have it custom painted red with cream 
head tube.  However, when it arrived I discovered that I really like the 
blue/green standard color. It looks much nicer in person than displayed on a 
computer screen.  To help me with my decision on frame color, I have visited 
Jim's http://www.cyclofiend.com website and viewed all the Beautidul Atlantis 
bikes featured.  Does anyone else have pictures of their custom painted 
Atlantis that they would be willing to share?  
Many thanks, Erl

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Re: [RBW] Riding without a computer

[jimD]

Being a contrarian, I will not carry my watch on a bike ride.
I do have a bike computer though   😊.

Now we should address helmets and chain lube.
-JimD

On May 4, 2013, at 9:11 AM, charlie  wrote:

> I have a wristwatch so I know when to be where I am going.smart 
> phones, Garmin's, cycle computers all very creepy to me. I know I can average 
> 10-20 mph depending on the route/conditions with 12 mph being about average 
> even when out of shape,tired or sick. Its easy to figure how long it will 
> take me to get somewhere.
> 
> On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:50:44 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> My iPhone is my external brain (like a wheelchair for a paraplegic), so 
> that's why I keep it with me.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:45:01 AM UTC-6, Eric Peterson wrote:
> The gadgets I use are important to me for two reasons: to collect 
> information, and as navigational aids. I don't have much problem with them 
> controlling me.
> If you want to be somewhere, or know where you are so you can determine when 
> you will be somewhere, a cyclometer and basic GPS are pretty useful.
> I ride a lot of brevets, and also plan and ride a lot of local rides, so 
> these tools are invaluable for those purposes.
> If you always ride the same routes then after a while you know the way, but I 
> am always wanting to try new ones.
> 
> However I do not have a smartphone, nor even a cell phone. It's baffling to 
> me why everyone these days seems to think you need one.
> 
> Eric Peterson
> Naperville, IL
> 
> On Thursday, May 2, 2013 6:23:24 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> The thread asking about computers got me thinking -- I bet there are others 
> here who intentionally do not ride with a computer. I was curious your 
> experiences. Here are mine…
> 
> I ride without a computer. Why? Because I am too stupid to control the gadget 
> rather than unwittingly allowing the gadget control me. For instance, rather 
> than riding to effort, I found I rode to speed. It is much, much harder to 
> listen to my body and what it needs with the allure of the utterly irrelevant 
> speed number out in front of me. So, like an idiot, I try and keep a certain 
> speed going up a hill or on a flat or in a headwind, rather than sensibly 
> listening to my body and pedaling at a consistent effort.
> 
> The idea here is that horses and other animal powered locomotion go by 
> effort. They go slower up hills and in headwinds and with heavy loads. But I 
> think my mindset living with a car and driving one for so many years became 
> based on speed. I'm going 75 on the highway and sure there is a hill here, so 
> I put the gas pedal down and maintain 75. This mentality ended up driving my 
> cycling experience when I had a computer in front of me. I know it's idiotic, 
> but there you are. WIth that number out there my mind could not let go the 
> idea that I should maintain speed. But that is no fun (unless I choose it). 
> So back in my pre-Riv days, when I rode a recumbent trike, I ditched the 
> computer and have been much happier ever sense.
> 
> I don't track or log milage, times or any other data (I don't for running 
> either). I use maps (including my iPhone) for navigation, and that's it. No 
> computer, for me, makes it much easier to "Just Ride."
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Conceding Defeat: Midge bar, cheap.

[Philip Williamson]

It sounds like you could use a lopsided bar, with the left hook bent level...

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RE: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

My (hoped-for) solution as well.  Will report when Luxos arrives next Tuesday.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer


> The main differentiator for me is that Garmin's battery life (17 hrs) 
> compared to the iPhone's (4 hrs).

Assuming all works as planned, IPhone battery life will not be an issue for me 
in a few days.  Peter White shipped my B&M Luxos U (dynamo light with USB 
outlet charger) Thursday.  As long as I keep my front wheel spinning fast 
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RE: [RBW] Atlantis in the DC/Baltimore Metro Area?

[WETH]

Kensington, Maryland.  Mine is a size 56 with 26" wheels.  It is not built up 
yet, but you are welcome to see the frame and fork in person.  Hope to have it 
built up in a few weeks.
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RE: [RBW] Atlantis in the DC/Baltimore Metro Area?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Wilmington, DE here, if you can't locate someone closer.

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Subject: [RBW] Atlantis in the DC/Baltimore Metro Area?

Folks,

Are there any Rivendell Atlantis owners in the DC or Baltimore area?  I'd like 
to set my eyes upon one of these bikes.  Is there any store that would have one 
in stock?

I feel myself falling into the "market" for what I think could be a 56cm/26" 
Atlantis.  

I'm west of Leesburg right near the end of the W&OD Trail.   

Anyone?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa - the first of a whole new horse breed?

[PATRICK MOORE]

One concern I have about using Albatross bars is that I fear that the
upright position might make me lose power (and I don't have much). I always
feel stronger when pushing from well behind the bb with my torso at 45* or
more -- I often naturally fall into the hooks when I want a bit of power up
a rise or against a wind -- the hooks are for power as much as aerodynamics.

I look at old roadsters and can see that, with their hugely slack seat
tubes, even sitting upright you have a large bend between hips and torso.
How does this work with a steep 72* or 73* seat tube?

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
"When I rode the proto, Keven made the comparison to engine placement in a
sports car.  Just going upright on a bike with "normal" chainstay length,
you end up with something like an early 80's Porsche, with the engine
hanging out over the rear wheels, making the front end of the car light.
In bikes, this becomes a problem for attacking steep climbs, since the
front wheel won't stay planted.  According to Keven, extending the
chainstays helps make things more balanced in turn and allows you to stay
upright with your butt planted in the saddle on climbs, rather than lean"

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

[PATRICK MOORE]

GPS, my friend, GPS. Let the satellites do the figgering for you while you
watch the scenery.

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Andrew McGinley  wrote:

> thing about computers is, at least for me, I spend a lot of time
> CALIBRATING the damn thing.You set it based on the wheel and tire
> combination, but that's never correct so for the next seventeen rides you
> are tweaking it.   You watch every mile marker like a hawk to confirm how
> close to accurate your computer is.   So you start doing all sorts of
> calculations in your head like "OK, that last mile marker my computer said
> 9.52 instead of 9.50….that means, I need to check it the next time."  Then
> the next time it says 10.54 and you are like "a-ha!  I'm onto you.  So,
> halfway through this ride, I'll waste 10 minutes figuring out how to access
> the calibration function (with one button) so I can take 1 index off the
> wheel-diameter…or is it add 1 index….hmmm…..doe s smaller number produce a
> lower or higher reading….h"And then when you turn around on the
> ride, you are like…."OK gotta stop at PRECISELY at this mile marker and
> place the wheels down without letting them turn unnecessarily so I can
> continue my certifiable obsession with accuracy on the return trip……"
>  then the next time your tires aren't the same pressure and you even more
> screwed up…
>
> meanwhile a thousand spring trees have passed you by that you will never
> again get to see in just that way in just that same afternoon light and
> thinking about something elegant and free and beautiful…...…..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> if you don't mind the wires, the Cateye Cadence is cheap
>
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Re: [RBW] Cycling Apps

[Cyclofiend Jim]

It's been recommended by others, but Cyclemeter is pretty adaptible. They 
just revised it and seem to be loading in more functions than I need, but 
it has the ability for multiple activity modes.  I like that we can do a 
hike and track the distance, because our trail-running friend really 
appreciates the mileage info. 

- Jim / cyclofiend.com


On Friday, May 3, 2013 10:49:03 PM UTC-7, MonAndrew77 wrote:
>
> Forgive me if this is a tired topic, but I'd love to have a simple app 
> that tells me how far I've gone as I'm riding based on my iPhone's GPS.   
> Also it would be wonderful to have an app that allows me to record my 
> bikes, swims and runs and then totals them up and so forth.   
>
> Problem is, many of the apps I've looked into are little rah rah rah 
> personal trainers…  Or "here's what you need to do to have ripped abs based 
> on your weight and age and religion and the cycle of the moon"…….and so 
> forth.   
>
> Any suggestions? 
>
>
> >I have a Lucas cyclometer and a pocket watch on one of my bikes - but I 
> mostly use MapMyRide on my smartphone :.)

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Re: [RBW] Cycling Apps

[PATRICK MOORE]

I use Cyclemeter which does everthing that I need it to do and much more --
except go easy on the battery. But for my short rides it is very good. Much
better than Endomodo. The only real complaint are the constant and frequent
updates.

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Andrew McGinley  wrote:

> Forgive me if this is a tired topic, but I'd love to have a simple app
> that tells me how far I've gone as I'm riding based on my iPhone's GPS.
> Also it would be wonderful to have an app that allows me to record my
> bikes, swims and runs and then totals them up and so forth.
>
> Problem is, many of the apps I've looked into are little rah rah rah
> personal trainers…  Or "here's what you need to do to have ripped abs based
> on your weight and age and religion and the cycle of the moon"…….and so
> forth.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> >I have a Lucas cyclometer and a pocket watch on one of my bikes - but I
> mostly use MapMyRide on my smartphone :.)
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Re: [RBW] NPR on the Paleo Diet/Is Grant Really 150 Years Old?

[rcnute]

It's like The Shining when Jack Torrence is in the Twenties photo.

Ryan

On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:35:50 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> This also explains why he's never seen without a shirt on.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On May 3, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Peter Morgano > 
> wrote:
>
> Who knew he had such ripped abs?
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eric Norris 
> > wrote:
>
>> Nice article on the history of the "paleo" and "natural" health movements 
>> on NPR:
>>
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/04/01/175961020/paleo-diet-echoes-physical-culture-movement-of-yesteryear
>>  
>>
>> Based on the photographic evidence, I think it's quite likely that Grant 
>> is actually a 150-year-old  German/Russian bodybuilder:
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/8705605652/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>> This would explain so much, including his fascination with 19th century 
>> technology (hatchets, twine, etc.) and the Paleo diet.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
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>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
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[RBW] Just Ride, Baton Rouge style

[carnerda...@bellsouth.net]

Sort of long and I know it is preaching to the choir on this list, but it 
was done by a friend of mine, so thought I would share it.
David
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W-3Mnu3Ovo 

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Re: [RBW] Cycling Apps

[Andrew McGinley]

Forgive me if this is a tired topic, but I'd love to have a simple app that 
tells me how far I've gone as I'm riding based on my iPhone's GPS.   Also it 
would be wonderful to have an app that allows me to record my bikes, swims and 
runs and then totals them up and so forth.  

Problem is, many of the apps I've looked into are little rah rah rah personal 
trainers…  Or "here's what you need to do to have ripped abs based on your 
weight and age and religion and the cycle of the moon"…….and so forth.   

Any suggestions?


>I have a Lucas cyclometer and a pocket watch on one of my bikes - but I mostly 
>use MapMyRide on my smartphone :.)

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Re: [RBW] Cycling computers

[Andrew McGinley]

thing about computers is, at least for me, I spend a lot of time CALIBRATING 
the damn thing.You set it based on the wheel and tire combination, but 
that's never correct so for the next seventeen rides you are tweaking it.   You 
watch every mile marker like a hawk to confirm how close to accurate your 
computer is.   So you start doing all sorts of calculations in your head like 
"OK, that last mile marker my computer said 9.52 instead of 9.50….that means, I 
need to check it the next time."  Then the next time it says 10.54 and you are 
like "a-ha!  I'm onto you.  So, halfway through this ride, I'll waste 10 
minutes figuring out how to access the calibration function (with one button) 
so I can take 1 index off the wheel-diameter…or is it add 1 index….hmmm…..doe s 
smaller number produce a lower or higher reading….h"And then when you 
turn around on the ride, you are like…."OK gotta stop at PRECISELY at this mile 
marker and place the wheels down without letting them turn unnecessarily so I 
can continue my certifiable obsession with accuracy on the return trip……"
then the next time your tires aren't the same pressure and you even more 
screwed up…

meanwhile a thousand spring trees have passed you by that you will never again 
get to see in just that way in just that same afternoon light and thinking 
about something elegant and free and beautiful…...…..












On May 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

> if you don't mind the wires, the Cateye Cadence is cheap

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[RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?

[Christopher Chen]

It looks great. The shellac darkens the yellow to an orange brown. It does 
lighten with age. 

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis f/f/hs 56cm

[a w]

Selling 56cm Atlantis frame, fork and headset. Very good condition. No dents, 
dings or rust. A few touched up spots. Asking $1400 shipped in the continental 
US. Pics available by email if your interested. Thanks, Art

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[RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Brian Campbell]

I attached the cheapest, Planet Bike computer to the non-drive side fork 
blade. That way, I can't see it but it will tell me my total miles.
 

On Thursday, May 2, 2013 7:23:24 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> The thread asking about computers got me thinking -- I bet there are 
> others here who intentionally do not ride with a computer. I was curious 
> your experiences. Here are mine… 
>
> I ride without a computer. Why? Because I am too stupid to control the 
> gadget rather than unwittingly allowing the gadget control me. For 
> instance, rather than riding to effort, I found I rode to speed. It is 
> much, much harder to listen to my body and what it needs with the allure of 
> the utterly irrelevant speed number out in front of me. So, like an idiot, 
> I try and keep a certain speed going up a hill or on a flat or in a 
> headwind, rather than sensibly listening to my body and pedaling at a 
> consistent effort.
>
> The idea here is that horses and other animal powered locomotion go by 
> effort. They go slower up hills and in headwinds and with heavy loads. But 
> I think my mindset living with a car and driving one for so many years 
> became based on speed. I'm going 75 on the highway and sure there is a hill 
> here, so I put the gas pedal down and maintain 75. This mentality ended up 
> driving my cycling experience when I had a computer in front of me. I know 
> it's idiotic, but there you are. WIth that number out there my mind could 
> not let go the idea that I should maintain speed. But that is no fun 
> (unless I choose it). So back in my pre-Riv days, when I rode 
> a recumbent trike, I ditched the computer and have been much happier ever 
> sense.
>
> I don't track or log milage, times or any other data (I don't for running 
> either). I use maps (including my iPhone) for navigation, and that's it. No 
> computer, for me, makes it much easier to "Just Ride."
>  
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>
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[RBW] Atlantis in the DC/Baltimore Metro Area?

[Andrew McGinley]

Folks,

Are there any Rivendell Atlantis owners in the DC or Baltimore area?  I'd like 
to set my eyes upon one of these bikes.  Is there any store that would have one 
in stock?

I feel myself falling into the "market" for what I think could be a 56cm/26" 
Atlantis.  

I'm west of Leesburg right near the end of the W&OD Trail.   

Anyone?

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[RBW] Re: A Photo From My Commute

[redsydude]

Beautiful dog (a few photos down).  Here's two of ours, Syd and Dude.  
Aussies, but Dude has some Spaniel stuff goin on.  (Riv content?  None I 
guess, I just dig dogs.)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80252840@N06/8705204618/in/photostream/
On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:31:26 AM UTC-7, JimD wrote:

> The past several days have been very summer like here in Northern Calif.
> I'm lucky to have a ~7 mile ride to work and am able to commute most days.
> Here's a photo taken on the bike trail (~1 mile) portion of the route : 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8704118372/in/photostream
>
> -JimD
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa - the first of a whole new horse breed?

[Jeremy Till]

I too had seen the Long Ranger post on Jeff Jones' blog and noted the 
similarities to the Appaloosa.  Two prototypes from fringe, niche, 
small-volume bicycle designers does not an industry change make, but I'm 
still excited to see the possibilities that these type of bikes are moving 
towards.  I also work in a cargo bike speciality shop (Blue Heron Bikes in 
Berkeley, CA) and get to feel everyday how well *really* long bikes ride.  
I think long tail cargo bikes dimensions are a purely functional 
consideration for carrying things and passengers, but as Jones notes in his 
blog, riding one gets you thinking about how similar qualities might be 
built into single bikes for spirited riding.  Especially interesting are 
the new generation of "midtail," slightly shorter cargo bikes that are 
basically halfway between a traditional single and a full-on longtail, like 
the Yuba Boda Boda, the Kinn Cascade Flyer, and maybe the Kona Mini? 
(haven't seen one of those in person).  

Disclaimer: we sell Boda Bodas, and soon, the Kinn as well.  

I am also lucky to be a Riv local and have ridden the Appaloosa prototype, 
and agree with the impression that this is not simply a laid-back cruiser, 
but is a responsive, fun, and FAST bike with an upright seating primary 
seating position (the wonderful Bosco bars also let you stretch out and get 
aero when the situation demands), much like Jeff Jones' designs are 
intended (never ridden one those myself, so can't say).  The long TT helps 
dial in the reach with the super-swept back Bosco bars, and the long 
chainstays assure that weight remains balanced well within the wheelbase of 
the bike, keeping both wheels planted on the road or trail.  When I rode 
the proto, Keven made the comparison to engine placement in a sports car.  
Just going upright on a bike with "normal" chainstay length, you end up 
with something like an early 80's Porsche, with the engine hanging out over 
the rear wheels, making the front end of the car light.  In bikes, this 
becomes a problem for attacking steep climbs, since the front wheel won't 
stay planted.  According to Keven, extending the chainstays helps make 
things more balanced in turn and allows you to stay upright with your butt 
planted in the saddle on climbs, rather than leaning forward and scooching 
onto the nose of the seat in order to try to stay balanced. 

I think the comparison to early cruiser-geometry MTB's, which were 
notoriously bad climbers, is inevitable, but I don't think that these new 
longer bikes suffer from the same problems.  My guess is that most of the 
problems with the early MTB's were related to the steering geometry, with 
super slack head angles and long-offset forks, leading to floppy front ends 
that wouldn't track on a climb (but came in handy on rough, high-speed 
descents).  I haven't seen a geometry chart for the Appaloosa, but my guess 
is that it uses something closer to the traditional Rivendell steering 
geometry.  

On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:34:48 AM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Hope this isn't too off topic for the list.  I'm still really intrigued by 
> the Appaloosa concept, even though I can't quite explain why.  But since I 
> don't really have the opportunity to visit RBW headquarters and check one 
> out in person, I'm having to pay attention to the comments from others on 
> the list to try to get a better picture of it.  And any other limited 
> information I can find that might explain the ride characteristics and 
> theory behind a "long bike" is obviously valuable too.  So I was excited 
> to, by chance, just find another new bike that seems to share some of the 
> same thinking.
>  
> The only other bikes that I daydream about and lust after as much as 
> Rivendells are Jeff Jones Space Frames.  I'll bet some of you are in the 
> same boat, though.   It's odd because, on some levels, they're about as 
> opposite from each other as bikes can be - the Jones' are un-traditional in 
> style to say the least;  they use proprietary parts that can't be found on 
> a shelf anywhere; and they're really designed for serious off-road riding 
> as opposed to "occasional" off-road or versatility.  On the other hand, 
> Jones is another rare bird in the industry in that he equates comfortable 
> riding position with performance; doesn't get caught up in the hype of 
> ultra-light weight builds; and shuns suspension completely.  (Just as with 
> the Bridgestone mountain bikes, this non-suspended-yet-high-performance 
> mountain bike is still what appeals to me most, I guess, being way more of 
> a mountain biker than a roadie.)  
>  
> So Jeff Jones' blog has a new entry describing a concept bike he's been 
> working on, that he's calling the "Lone Ranger,"  and it's main 
> charachteristics are much longer top tube and chainstays than his "normal" 
> bikes  (and room for even fatter rubber). Pretty cool.  And his description 
> seems to echo the same things many have said about the Appaloosa 

[RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[charlie]

I have a wristwatch so I know when to be where I am going.smart 
phones, Garmin's, cycle computers all very creepy to me. I know I can 
average 10-20 mph depending on the route/conditions with 12 mph being about 
average even when out of shape,tired or sick. Its easy to figure how long 
it will take me to get somewhere.

On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:50:44 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My iPhone is my external brain (like a wheelchair for a paraplegic), so 
> that's why I keep it with me.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:45:01 AM UTC-6, Eric Peterson wrote:
>>
>> The gadgets I use are important to me for two reasons: to collect 
>> information, and as navigational aids. I don't have much problem with them 
>> controlling me.
>> If you want to be somewhere, or know where you are so you can determine 
>> when you will be somewhere, a cyclometer and basic GPS are pretty useful.
>> I ride a lot of brevets, and also plan and ride a lot of local rides, so 
>> these tools are invaluable for those purposes.
>> If you always ride the same routes then after a while you know the way, 
>> but I am always wanting to try new ones.
>>
>> However I do not have a smartphone, nor even a cell phone. It's baffling 
>> to me why everyone these days seems to think you need one.
>>
>> Eric Peterson
>> Naperville, IL
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2013 6:23:24 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> The thread asking about computers got me thinking -- I bet there are 
>>> others here who intentionally do not ride with a computer. I was curious 
>>> your experiences. Here are mine…
>>>
>>> I ride without a computer. Why? Because I am too stupid to control the 
>>> gadget rather than unwittingly allowing the gadget control me. For 
>>> instance, rather than riding to effort, I found I rode to speed. It is 
>>> much, much harder to listen to my body and what it needs with the allure of 
>>> the utterly irrelevant speed number out in front of me. So, like an idiot, 
>>> I try and keep a certain speed going up a hill or on a flat or in a 
>>> headwind, rather than sensibly listening to my body and pedaling at a 
>>> consistent effort.
>>>
>>> The idea here is that horses and other animal powered locomotion go by 
>>> effort. They go slower up hills and in headwinds and with heavy loads. But 
>>> I think my mindset living with a car and driving one for so many years 
>>> became based on speed. I'm going 75 on the highway and sure there is a hill 
>>> here, so I put the gas pedal down and maintain 75. This mentality ended up 
>>> driving my cycling experience when I had a computer in front of me. I know 
>>> it's idiotic, but there you are. WIth that number out there my mind could 
>>> not let go the idea that I should maintain speed. But that is no fun 
>>> (unless I choose it). So back in my pre-Riv days, when I rode 
>>> a recumbent trike, I ditched the computer and have been much happier ever 
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> I don't track or log milage, times or any other data (I don't for 
>>> running either). I use maps (including my iPhone) for navigation, and 
>>> that's it. No computer, for me, makes it much easier to "Just Ride."
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>>  
>>>

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Re: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Actually, one layer of inner tube doesn't do all that much or, I should
say, it did little for me: I did this several times on off road bikes, both
drop and M-bars, one wrap of (thicker mountain bike) tube under standard
padded tape and under cloth tape, once. I think you can find better padding
than inner tubes or, at least, you will have to use several layers and wrap
loosely.

Lizard Skin DSP 3.2 mm; or the faux- or the rubbery syntho-cork I have on
the Ram -- don't remember the maker.

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Will  wrote:

> Baahhh split an old tube. Wrap the bars. Plenty of cush.
>
> Will
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2013 7:45:24 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> No idea. But I'm soon gonna soon find out what bright orange French cloth
>> tape with amber shellac looks like on my orange trimmed Hunqapillar. Yes, I
>> finally figured out the best place for my hands/brakes/thumb shifters to
>> all live in harmony on the Albatross bars. Three delicious hand positions,
>> two of which have brake use. Oh, and I will be adding wool felt on top of
>> the bars before the wrap, a-la Grant's BOM.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure, but just try it. The beauty of cloth tape and clear shellac is
>>> that the parts are not super expensive and the shellacking takes the
>>> pressure off of the need to get the cloth tape perfect. So just do it,
>>> because what's the worst that could happen? You won't like it and have to
>>> do it again to learn another color combo. Not such a bad thing.
>>>
>>> I like the feel of cork better and for certain colors, the look as well.
>>> But I feel more pressure when I do cork tape. I feel I have to set each
>>> wrap just right for the job to look good at the end. With cotton tape
>>> (knowing I'm gonna shellac it) I just go for it angst-free. Wow, it's been
>>> like 8 years since I've done a cloth-taped bar. All cork since then,
>>> usually dark blue.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> >From: NWAJack 
>>> >Sent: May 3, 2013 4:44 PM
>>> >To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> >Subject: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?
>>> >
>>> >I need to change my stem from a 100mm to a 80mm so i'm thinking of
>>> yellow cloth tape with clear shellac.  Anyone have this combo? Curios how
>>> yellow it would stayand how it looks with the hilsen blue.
>>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Yet another post on shimmy

[john]

Andrew, I'd be interesting in hearing about your project.

As for me, after a couple weeks of fiddling about with this, that, and the 
other, I've come to some conclusions.

1. My Sam shimmies down hills either with a dynohub wheel or a non-dyno 
wheel.
2. My Sam shimmies with a rear load or without a rear load, although it's 
more pronounced with a rear load.
3. In attempting to solve the riddle, my ace mechanic  checked all wheels 
(front, back, dyno, non-dyno) for true, dish, tension. He checked frame 
alignment, he re-faced the headset. It is his opinion that a roller bearing 
headset is not necessarily a panacea, and that it may or may not help.
4. Still, the bike shimmies on descents.
5. Although the bike shimmies, I can quiet her down with knees locked 
around top tube or a hand on the bars.
6. I noticed if I mount my Baggins Adam saddlebag to the front rack the 
stability is much improved. (Bag+goods = 6.5#) Perhaps this is heavier than 
I ought to, but I'm now thinking I can try a front loading bag (I want a 
Berthoud 28, their tallest) and see how it goes.

Thanks to all for encouragement in solving the riddle. In the end, i'm not 
sure why the Sam shimmies. In the end, I still love the bike. I'd just love 
it more without the shimmy.

On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:43:23 PM UTC-7, BSWP wrote:
>
> My 1998 LongLow has always shimmied on descents - yes, I like to take my 
> hands off the bars, but it was also sensed with hands on - and so I thought 
> a set of the new hotness needle roller bearings would be a good thing to 
> try. Placed an order, and coincidentally dropped the forks out today to get 
> the canti boss fixed (by Ed Litton, in Richmond CA). Loe and behold... what 
> do I see at the bottom of my headseat, but a needle roller bearing, with a 
> brinnelled race.
>
> I'll look at it all more closely this weekend.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[Ron Mc]

OK, got my breath back - you did good

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:14:57 AM UTC-5, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
>
> thanks
> I'll keep you all posted on the build.
> JS
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[RBW] WTB: Berthoud 28 Front Bag

[john]

Hello all. 

For those of you who have been following the shimmy thread, my current goal 
is to put some weight up front. I've deduced that I experience shimmy 
either with a saddlebag or without going downhill. When I experimented with 
putting my saddlebag on the front rack, stability was improved. So I 
thought I'd try Berthouds tallest bag (the 28). But I don't want to buy a 
new one, in case it doesn't work as well as I'd like.

Any of you out there want to part with a Berthoud 28? Preferably black?

Thanks

J.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Conceding Defeat: Midge bar, cheap.

[PATRICK MOORE]

I love Noodles when they are higher (than, say, the Maes Parallels) and, in
fact, the Fargo felt well nigh perfect with 42 Noodles on it -- until it
came to tricky terrain: too narrow for control. I'd originally had 46 cm
Noodles on it but they awkwardly wide at hoods and hooks. The Midge was one
more attempt to find an acceptable compromise between off road control and
comfort -- alas, it too failed, tho' were it not for my very sensitive left
palm they would have done very well. (The problem once again is that the
left palm requires the hooks to be level to be tolerable; any slant
irritates.) Those 42s are now on the Rambouillet where, once again, they
are perfect.

I've just claimed a pair of used Nitto B136 Randos on this or the Boblist
(forget which) in 44: longer and shallower than the Noodle, I hope these
will meet that elusive goal.

If *those* don't work, I shall start saving for an Albatross, but that's
expensive because it requires new brake levers and stem, too.

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Hi fellows,
>
> I know you probably already have used the noodle...I can't get over how
> comfortable they are. I have the bars pretty high to be in a more upright
> position so even in the drops I'm comfortable. Mind you I like so many
> other folks have degenerative arthritis in my 7th, through 5th vertebrae. I
> don't get any hand numbness either. Best of luck in your quest for the
> right bar.
>
> Hugh
>
>


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[RBW] Re: derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[jandrews_nyc]

thanks
I'll keep you all posted on the build.
JS

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Re: [RBW] Riding without a computer

[clyde canter]

I like the Knog nerds.  They go on without fasteners of any kind so are
relatively easy to swap bikes, or go without.  I have one that has settings
for two bikes.  I set bike one with an average wheel circumference for my
fatter tired bikes and bike 2 has an average for my skinnier tired bikes.
A couple of drops of correction fluid on the fork legs marks where the
sensor goes and speeds up installation.  The only thing I don't like is the
price and the amount of information (way too much for my needs).  If you
search for them you may find very low pricing if you don't mind the color.
I got a vivid blue colored one for way less than half retail.  At the time
they had a hot pink one for much less. I opted for the blue at a tad more
cost.  If I don't want a computer I just grab the tab and give a tug and
the the head and sensor is off in less than a second. I tore the pull tab
off the sensor band so being extra careful with that is a good idea.
I've tried 2 or 3 apps for my smart phone and like that a lot, but mine
uses the battery too fast when gps is switched on. A ride of 3 hours is
about all it can manage on a full charge.  A better phone would perhaps
solve that. It did get me  "un-lost" once and is always with me.
Best,
Clyde Canter


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> The thread asking about computers got me thinking -- I bet there are
> others here who intentionally do not ride with a computer. I was curious
> your experiences. Here are mine…
>
> I ride without a computer. Why? Because I am too stupid to control the
> gadget rather than unwittingly allowing the gadget control me. For
> instance, rather than riding to effort, I found I rode to speed. It is
> much, much harder to listen to my body and what it needs with the allure of
> the utterly irrelevant speed number out in front of me. So, like an idiot,
> I try and keep a certain speed going up a hill or on a flat or in a
> headwind, rather than sensibly listening to my body and pedaling at a
> consistent effort.
>
> The idea here is that horses and other animal powered locomotion go by
> effort. They go slower up hills and in headwinds and with heavy loads. But
> I think my mindset living with a car and driving one for so many years
> became based on speed. I'm going 75 on the highway and sure there is a hill
> here, so I put the gas pedal down and maintain 75. This mentality ended up
> driving my cycling experience when I had a computer in front of me. I know
> it's idiotic, but there you are. WIth that number out there my mind could
> not let go the idea that I should maintain speed. But that is no fun
> (unless I choose it). So back in my pre-Riv days, when I rode
> a recumbent trike, I ditched the computer and have been much happier ever
> sense.
>
> I don't track or log milage, times or any other data (I don't for running
> either). I use maps (including my iPhone) for navigation, and that's it. No
> computer, for me, makes it much easier to "Just Ride."
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Deacon Patrick]

Good point. What I wrote inadvertently came across as a generalization, 
when it is merely extrapolation from my personal experience. I do believe 
it is a fairly common one though. What we measure inevitably helps define 
the experience, though to varying degrees for different people.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 8:39:08 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Not necessarily.  Some of us like to log our activity and compare where we 
> are to where we were or where we aspire to be. Weight is a common data 
> point for many record keepers. I log my exercise workouts and have for 
> years. It's part of my everyday routine. I also like to look at trends over 
> time. For example, my average pace has declined as I've gotten older, 
> although I enjoy riding as much as ever. 
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
> When biking is an extraordinary activity, we're more inclined to "need" to 
>> measure it. 
>>
>
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[RBW] derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[Aaron Young]

Just want to say congratulations on the beautiful frame (as well as the
opportunity to buy new tools).

Aaron Young
Vancouver, WA

On Saturday, May 4, 2013, jinxed wrote:

> Well for one...hot damn that's a great looking frame!! Excited to see this
> one progress.
>
> As for the derailleur, I would bet it's paint giving you some hassle. I've
> been surprised how little it takes to gum up smooth threading. A proper
> thread chasing is all it should take. I picked up a tap set fairly cheap at
> ACE hardware that already contained the correct bit for water bottle and
> rack bosses but had to get the der sized bit separately. Now I chase
> everything first build and all has been well.
>
> I have seen some hangars that have just a slight deformation or blob of
> metal right around the beginning of the threads. Not sure what causes it,
> but that prevented getting the thread started too. Again tapping it would
> solve the issue.
>
> To my knowledge there should be no compatibility issues.
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[RBW] Re: Conceding Defeat: Midge bar, cheap.

[hsmitham]

Hi fellows,

I know you probably already have used the noodle...I can't get over how 
comfortable they are. I have the bars pretty high to be in a more upright 
position so even in the drops I'm comfortable. Mind you I like so many 
other folks have degenerative arthritis in my 7th, through 5th vertebrae. I 
don't get any hand numbness either. Best of luck in your quest for the 
right bar.

Hugh

On Friday, May 3, 2013 9:14:48 PM UTC-7, velomann wrote:
>
> I'm about to toss in the towel on the Midge myself. I wanted so badly for 
> these bars to work for me. Built up a new (to me) Soma Double Cross with 
> them. Tried several different angles, feeling too stretched out and low 
> with a longish Salsa stem so went to a 90mm/35 degree stem, now too cramped 
> and after  20 mile ride contributed to worst lower back pain I've had in a 
> couple years. Done a couple longer rides, lots of shorter onesJust 
> about resigned to the fact that the Midge is not for me. Gonna try a 110/35 
> degree stem but not holding out a lot of hope. It may just be that they are 
> not made for a road style bike with a horizontal top tube; I think it's 
> just too convoluted to try to get the drops as high as they need to be 
> without compromising the handling of the bike.
>
> Still want to try them on a mountain bike, though.
>
> Back to the Bell Lap, I'm thinking...
>
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[RBW] Re: derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[jandrews_nyc]

Ok
duh
it was the paint
there's a bike shop one block from my house, they tapped it for free and I 
was able to install
thank you
JS
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Re: [RBW] What'r you using for cush on your Moustache Bars under your tape?

[Bruce Herbitter]

My M bars came with regular cushioned white bar tape on them. The less
padding in my gloves, the better I like them. Mine need a shorter stem to
bring them a tad closer, but I'm lazy. As they are though, I can get down
dead flat on them and fly downhills just like Pineapple Bob in the
picture.  Holding the brake hoods gets me a posture almost identical to
aero bars. I don't like that however and rarely use it. Once in a while in
a pursuit into a head wind or some such instance.

Tailwinds


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Scott Henry  wrote:

> Late to the party here, when I was running mustache bars, and currently on
> my OnOne Mary bars, I'm using flat bar grips and then wrapping with tape.
>   I like the added diameter and the 'Cush' too.
>
> You can use regular flat bar grips or even bmx grips, but the new
> shaped ergo grips give some extra platform.Though on my current setup
> on my Mary bars, I'm using super cheap grips I got late night from a big
> box retailer.Working it the garage at night and realizing I needed at
> set when everything else in closed.
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2013, Michael wrote:
>
>> I see lotsa M bar pics around here, and seems like alot of the bars I see
>> are super chunky.
>> Was wondering what everyone was using under the tape.
>> Thanks for any tips.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Bruce Herbitter]

Not necessarily.  Some of us like to log our activity and compare where we
are to where we were or where we aspire to be. Weight is a common data
point for many record keepers. I log my exercise workouts and have for
years. It's part of my everyday routine. I also like to look at trends over
time. For example, my average pace has declined as I've gotten older,
although I enjoy riding as much as ever.


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

When biking is an extraordinary activity, we're more inclined to "need" to
> measure it. 
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[RBW] Re: derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[jinxed]

Well for one...hot damn that's a great looking frame!! Excited to see this 
one progress.

As for the derailleur, I would bet it's paint giving you some hassle. I've 
been surprised how little it takes to gum up smooth threading. A proper 
thread chasing is all it should take. I picked up a tap set fairly cheap at 
ACE hardware that already contained the correct bit for water bottle and 
rack bosses but had to get the der sized bit separately. Now I chase 
everything first build and all has been well.

I have seen some hangars that have just a slight deformation or blob of 
metal right around the beginning of the threads. Not sure what causes it, 
but that prevented getting the thread started too. Again tapping it would 
solve the issue.

To my knowledge there should be no compatibility issues.

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Re: [RBW] derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[Alex Zeibot]

You have done nothing wrong or missed anything.  From judging your picture
it looks like there is an excess of the paint inside the hanger threads
therefore you might want to tap the the treads.  Happened to me before with
new frames.  BTW - Gorgeous frame!


On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:06 AM, jandrews_nyc wrote:

> Hi,
> I recently purchased a Riv prototype frameset that was listed on the site
> a few weeks ago.  I'm building it up as a speedy roady bike as my Hillborne
> is heavy duty cargo carrier at this point.
> I'm having trouble this morning installing the rear derailleur.  The bolt
> just doesn't want to thread into the derailleur hanger.  Has anyone
> experienced this before.
> It's an Sram apex rear der.  Am I missing something?  I can't imagine the
> threads wouldn't be compatible.
> thanks in advance for your advice
>
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[RBW] derailleur install trouble on new protovelo

[jandrews_nyc]

Hi, 
I recently purchased a Riv prototype frameset that was listed on the site a 
few weeks ago.  I'm building it up as a speedy roady bike as my Hillborne 
is heavy duty cargo carrier at this point.
I'm having trouble this morning installing the rear derailleur.  The bolt 
just doesn't want to thread into the derailleur hanger.  Has anyone 
experienced this before.  
It's an Sram apex rear der.  Am I missing something?  I can't imagine the 
threads wouldn't be compatible. 
thanks in advance for your advice

*http://tinyurl.com/dxuvjgz*
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Re: [RBW] A Photo From My Commute

[jimD]

Yes it's a custom. ~4 years old. Modeled after my now gone Romulus.

I don't know what Grant did but it rides better (way better) than my Romulus 
did.

More photos here:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157604146015375/
-JimD
On May 3, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Thanks for the pic. Nice looking bike and set up. Is that a Riv Custom?
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Re: [RBW] OT: Someone else is trying to reinvent the wheel, literally

[Scott Henry]

I rode a mountain bike on fire roads for about 7 miles once on an airless
rear tire.   It was stuffed with grass and leaves.   On this I will
actually agree with Jan, I have no desire to ride that again, it sucked.

I do remember as a child watching my dad try to get a solid tire on my
bike.   I recall screwdrivers, pry bars and swearing.No memory at all
of the ride.

Cheers,
Scott



On Friday, May 3, 2013, Jan Heine wrote:

> Sorry that there is a misunderstanding. I don't judge the merits of the
> invention until I have seen and ridden it. It is well possible that 15
> years from now, we all ride on those wheels. (Grant predicted/lamented in
> an early Rivendell Reader that spoked wheels would become obsolete, and he
> may be proven right after all.)
>
> I only noted that it was unfortunate that the inventor suggested that his
> invention eliminated the need of "wide and slow" tires, when wide tires
> aren't slow. Of course, this is a common misperception, and we shouldn't
> judge the inventor's knowledge of bicycle technology based on that one
> statement.
>
> I also suggested that anybody who is talks favorably about airless tires
> first should try them. I have ridden them for little over a mile, and I
> wouldn't want to do it again! At lower speeds, the added resistance will be
> even more noticeable, because air resistance is reduced, and rolling
> resistance makes up most of the resistance the cyclist has to overcome.
> Most of all, since the tires don't hold their shape, the handling is best
> described as "wayward."
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> www.bikequarterly.com
>
> Follow our blog at www.janheine.com
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2013 10:30:55 AM UTC-7, pb wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2013 7:51:58 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>>
>>> Airless tires have so much resistance that you'd rather change a flat
>>> every 10 miles! We tested a set of airless tires for our latest tire test
>>> (Bicycle Quarterly Spring 2013), and found that they used 50% more power
>>> than a good racing tire. Maintaining 20 mph was very hard work. And in
>>> corners, they squirmed so much that it was really disconcerting.
>>
>>
>> Jan,  all due respect, I think you're still completely missing the
>> point.  I doubt that many riders on the Dahon which is the current target
>> of this work are trying to maintain 20 mph.  Additionally, the small
>> diameter of the 20" wheel reduces rotating weight to an extent which might
>> somewhat offset rolling resistance.  (No doubt I'll be mathematically
>> proven completely wrong about that, but consider that urban trips are
>> heavily stop-start-stop-start.)   If one considers the likely trip distance
>> and trip type of an urban Dahon, utility effectiveness may trump other
>> factors.
>>
>> On another subject -- I have to give the inventor credit for a campaign
>> which has exceeded its investment target.  The kickstarter is pushing
>> $US70,000, more than 10% over its target, with two weeks yet to go.
>> Apparently a number of  people think this idea has merit.  Even if it
>> ultimately fails, I sincerely congratulate Mr. Pearce on his efforts.
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: 46cm Nitto Noodle Bars (177)

[Andrew Karre]

Sleeved, heat-treated, etc. Good used condition. $50 shipped.


Thanks!
Andrew in St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] What'r you using for cush on your Moustache Bars under your tape?

[Scott Henry]

Late to the party here, when I was running mustache bars, and currently on
my OnOne Mary bars, I'm using flat bar grips and then wrapping with tape.
  I like the added diameter and the 'Cush' too.

You can use regular flat bar grips or even bmx grips, but the new
shaped ergo grips give some extra platform.Though on my current setup
on my Mary bars, I'm using super cheap grips I got late night from a big
box retailer.Working it the garage at night and realizing I needed at
set when everything else in closed.


Scott




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> I see lotsa M bar pics around here, and seems like alot of the bars I see
> are super chunky.
> Was wondering what everyone was using under the tape.
> Thanks for any tips.
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Re: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?

[Will]

Baahhh split an old tube. Wrap the bars. Plenty of cush. 

Will

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 7:45:24 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> No idea. But I'm soon gonna soon find out what bright orange French cloth 
> tape with amber shellac looks like on my orange trimmed Hunqapillar. Yes, I 
> finally figured out the best place for my hands/brakes/thumb shifters to 
> all live in harmony on the Albatross bars. Three delicious hand positions, 
> two of which have brake use. Oh, and I will be adding wool felt on top of 
> the bars before the wrap, a-la Grant's BOM. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:48:04 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not sure, but just try it. The beauty of cloth tape and clear shellac is 
>> that the parts are not super expensive and the shellacking takes the 
>> pressure off of the need to get the cloth tape perfect. So just do it, 
>> because what's the worst that could happen? You won't like it and have to 
>> do it again to learn another color combo. Not such a bad thing. 
>>
>> I like the feel of cork better and for certain colors, the look as well. 
>> But I feel more pressure when I do cork tape. I feel I have to set each 
>> wrap just right for the job to look good at the end. With cotton tape 
>> (knowing I'm gonna shellac it) I just go for it angst-free. Wow, it's been 
>> like 8 years since I've done a cloth-taped bar. All cork since then, 
>> usually dark blue. 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> >From: NWAJack  
>> >Sent: May 3, 2013 4:44 PM 
>> >To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> >Subject: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh? 
>> > 
>> >I need to change my stem from a 100mm to a 80mm so i'm thinking of 
>> yellow cloth tape with clear shellac.  Anyone have this combo? Curios how 
>> yellow it would stayand how it looks with the hilsen blue. 
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Re: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?

[Deacon Patrick]

No idea. But I'm soon gonna soon find out what bright orange French cloth 
tape with amber shellac looks like on my orange trimmed Hunqapillar. Yes, I 
finally figured out the best place for my hands/brakes/thumb shifters to 
all live in harmony on the Albatross bars. Three delicious hand positions, 
two of which have brake use. Oh, and I will be adding wool felt on top of 
the bars before the wrap, a-la Grant's BOM. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
>
> Not sure, but just try it. The beauty of cloth tape and clear shellac is 
> that the parts are not super expensive and the shellacking takes the 
> pressure off of the need to get the cloth tape perfect. So just do it, 
> because what's the worst that could happen? You won't like it and have to 
> do it again to learn another color combo. Not such a bad thing. 
>
> I like the feel of cork better and for certain colors, the look as well. 
> But I feel more pressure when I do cork tape. I feel I have to set each 
> wrap just right for the job to look good at the end. With cotton tape 
> (knowing I'm gonna shellac it) I just go for it angst-free. Wow, it's been 
> like 8 years since I've done a cloth-taped bar. All cork since then, 
> usually dark blue. 
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> >From: NWAJack > 
> >Sent: May 3, 2013 4:44 PM 
> >To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> >Subject: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh? 
> > 
> >I need to change my stem from a 100mm to a 80mm so i'm thinking of yellow 
> cloth tape with clear shellac.  Anyone have this combo? Curios how yellow 
> it would stayand how it looks with the hilsen blue. 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Deacon Patrick]

When biking is an extraordinary activity, we're more inclined to "need" to 
measure it. When biking is ordinary activity, we are much more inclined to 
just hop on and go, and the previous measures held so dear become 
irrelevant. Also, What I measure can effect why I ride and whether I feel 
good about riding. For a while I tracked the distance I ran, seeking to see 
how long it took me to run around the world. Distance became the reason I 
ran, but the fun went out of it. It became a burden to go for a run on 
remote single track mountain trails. Nuts! Stopped counting, the fun 
returned.

That's why I run and bike "by feel."

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 3, 2013 3:51:04 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 14:01 -0700, Marc Irwin wrote: 
> > I used to use a Cateye to log mileage and stay on target for the 
> > season.  Then, when gas hit $2 permanently, I said "screw this, I'm 
> > only driving when absolutely necessary."  I started enjoying myself 
> > more, and the computer went into a trash can as I passed my mileage 
> > goal in July. 
> > 
>
> I don't understand.  How does wishing to minimize your driving relate to 
> not using a computer to keep track of your mileage?  The two are 
> entirely separate. 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] anybody do yellow tape on a ahh?

[NWAJack]

True thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without a computer

[Matthew J]

> The main differentiator for me is that Garmin's battery life (17 hrs) 
compared to the iPhone's (4 hrs).

Assuming all works as planned, IPhone battery life will not be an issue for 
me in a few days.  Peter White shipped my B&M Luxos U (dynamo light with 
USB outlet charger) Thursday.  As long as I keep my front wheel spinning 
fast enough, the phone should stay charged.


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[RBW] Re: OT: Someone else is trying to reinvent the wheel, literally

[Matthew J]

PB:  People invested trillions of dollars in syndicated bad mortgage bundles a 
few years ago.  Hardly meant it was a good idea.   Imagine it is not that hard 
to track down $70 k worth of suckers out there.

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[RBW] Re: OT: Someone else is trying to reinvent the wheel, literally

[ascpgh]

If that became the new wheel paradigm the material of the "loops" would 
become the performance increment and wheel snobbery would be talk of "flex 
to failure", stiffness and weight. I don't see how one could produce 
predictable performance results with that design; the rims seem so much a 
structural element they would become dead or deadening to the resulting 
wheel (to anyone having put together a nice set of spoked wheels). Not so 
much as the semi disc wheels like the trispoke; the serious meat of 
BSNYC-posted photos of decorated pedestrian, non-biker, "biker cred" 
cruising bikes. I hope that it is loop wheels there next, not spoked ones.

My dad's first attempt to teach me to ride a bike was on a little rig with 
solid (airless) tires of a particularly evil squarish profile that had me 
elevate onto a hard squirrelly knife edge in every lean or steer moment. My 
four year old vocabulary failed to provide me the adequate descriptive 
tools to communicate why I was having such a hard time and was bleeding so 
much. The next weekend came a bike I could barely mount but could pedal 
once on the saddle; risky for a parent unsure of their kid's riding 
potential, but it had real pneumatic tires and I rode as if I was born on 
that bike (a purple Kent).

I'll be on 36° spoked wheels and pneumatic tires until eBay no longer lists 
them if alternative designs catch hold. 

Andy Cheatham
PIttsburgh

On Friday, May 3, 2013 1:30:55 PM UTC-4, pb wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, May 2, 2013 7:51:58 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>> Airless tires have so much resistance that you'd rather change a flat 
>> every 10 miles! We tested a set of airless tires for our latest tire test 
>> (Bicycle Quarterly Spring 2013), and found that they used 50% more power 
>> than a good racing tire. Maintaining 20 mph was very hard work. And in 
>> corners, they squirmed so much that it was really disconcerting. 
>
>  
> Jan,  all due respect, I think you're still completely missing the point.  
> I doubt that many riders on the Dahon which is the current target of this 
> work are trying to maintain 20 mph.  Additionally, the small diameter of 
> the 20" wheel reduces rotating weight to an extent which might somewhat 
> offset rolling resistance.  (No doubt I'll be mathematically 
> proven completely wrong about that, but consider that urban trips are 
> heavily stop-start-stop-start.)   If one considers the likely trip distance 
> and trip type of an urban Dahon, utility effectiveness may trump other 
> factors.
>  
> On another subject -- I have to give the inventor credit for a campaign 
> which has exceeded its investment target.  The kickstarter is pushing 
> $US70,000, more than 10% over its target, with two weeks yet to go.  
> Apparently a number of  people think this idea has merit.  Even if it 
> ultimately fails, I sincerely congratulate Mr. Pearce on his efforts.
>  
>  
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[RBW] FS - Lots of parts, tires, bags...

[Andrew Letton]

Bike Parts For Sale

I'm trying to fund the purchase of a Luxos U light and make space in the bike 
shed...

Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/letton/sets/72157633395213659/

* Shimano 105 BR-5500 brakeset with un-used stock pads. $35 plus shipping
* SRAM 7.0 rear derailleur, both twist shifters, grips, and anti-friction 
rings. 
$25 plus shipping  (Also see the twist grip compatible v brake levers I have 
for 
sale)
* One bikesworth generic V brakes. No mounting screws. $10 plus shipping  (Also 
see the twist grip compatible v brake levers I have for sale)
* One bikesworth generic black V brake LEVERS that are compatible with twist 
grip shifters above. (no photo yet) $10 plus shipping
* KoolStop Thinline Brake pads, black. $4 plus shipping per wheelsworth. Two 
wheelsworth available.
* One wheelsworth generic V brake, new condition. Includes both mounting 
screws, 
noodle, and rubber boot. (I found the second mounting screw after I took the 
photo.)  $6 plus shipping.
* SunTour MicroDrive8 cassette hub, 32 hole, new, no skewer.  $15 plus shipping
* Specialized Delta S leather covered saddle. $7 plus shipping
* 1971 Cinelli Unicantor saddle. $10 plus shipping
* Ostrich Handlebar Bag and Velo Orange decaleur. Never used. I mounted the VO 
decaleur on my bike, but never put the decaleur on the bag or the bag on the 
bike. Snap-off map case and shoulder strap included. I believe this is the 
F-106 
model.  $100 plus shipping
* Brooks B-72 (I think...) twin rail leather saddle. Not pretty, but definitely 
has life left in it.  The leather still has some stiffness and is not all 
floppy. Some rust on the rivets and rails. $30 plus shipping.
* Primo Comet tires.  Two 19-451's, one of which is pretty worn out, but 
includes a tube and  I'll include it for free if you buy the other one, so $10 
plus shipping for two 451 tires and a tube. One 19-349 size. $10 plus shipping
* Two Continental Grand Prix 28-406 tires, never mounted but have been in my 
bike shed for a number of years. $30 for the pair, plus shipping
* Rivendell MUSA gray/blue shorts, size L, new in package.  $35 plus shipping
* Bontrager Race Lite 700x23 dual compound folding tire.  Used for "exactly" 
160 
miles.  (I bought it from a support guy when my Rolly Poly got a irreparable 
gash in it, 40 miles into the Davis Double.)  $10 plus shipping
* Nitto Saddlebag Uplift, very good condition, with original Rivendell 
instruction sheet.  $20 plus shipping
* Titec Setback Seatpost, very tall!  Some scratches on the post (see photos) 
26.8mm.  $20 plus shipping
* Kalloy silver seatpost. Some scratches on the bottom 130mm, but in very good 
condition on the top 150mm. 27.2mm diameter.  $10 plus shipping
* SunTour XC Pro seatpost, very good condition, 26.8mm diameter. $40 plus 
shipping
* Rivendell Baggins handlebar bag. Duluth made. In very good condition EXCEPT 
two places where a RAT chewed through it to get to the Clif bars inside.  If 
you're good with a needle and thread, you can patch it up and have a great bag. 
Requires the Nitto F15 rack (not included)  $20 plus shipping.
* Tektro 521A brakeset, allen bolt, with used but usable salmon pads.  Some of 
the fasteners and springs have rust, but overall still very serviceable. 
47-57mm 
reach. $25 plus shipping.
* SunTour Superbe non-aero brake levers, scratched up, with non-matching but 
usable hoods. $10 plus shipping
* Rivendell Ruffy Tuffy, hardly "used";, in fact I'm pretty sure it's a new 
take-off.  It has been in the shed for a number of years, but appears un-used.  
I know I've never used it.  It is also a relatively rare steel bead version.  I 
think they came stock on Romulus/Redwood bikes, but I'm not sure. $25 plus 
shipping. The other RT is NIB, as you can see.  $40 plus shipping.  Both for 
$60 
plus shipping.

Prices do not include shipping.  PayPal Personal preferred.
If I'm way out of line on pricing, let me know.
Please reply off-list.
Thanks!
Andrew

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