Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[LeahFoy]

Cool, my posts and pics made it through moderation! Now those of you who wanted 
to see Betty and her honey saddle can give me your most honest and informed 
opinion on a red B17. Also, tell me if you see the bars being too high for that 
saddle... Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Tom Matchak]

DIY saddle and bar wrap color matching made easy. Why be limited to the colors 
offered by the saddle makers?
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/34156114@N05/8395437401/

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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Ted Shwartz]

There are other options too

Rocks for Tandems attach the front fork elevated above the rail, giving
clearance for fenders. There are also the old style two piece systems that
have a tray for the rebar wheel attaching to the rear cross bar,  and a
separate mounting point on the front cross bar for the front fork

Ted

On Saturday, May 11, 2013, René Sterental wrote:

> Hi Pierre,
>
> The only roof racks that work well with fendered bikes are those that grab
> the frame via the downtube. Of the few available, the one I like the most
> is the Thule Criterium:
> http://www.thule.com/en-us/us/products/bike-carriers/roofcarriers/598-criterium-_-598
>
> The other one is the Yakima Raptor Aereo, but its design isn't as refined
> as the Criterium.
>
> I'm assuming you are using long fenders, such as Honjo or Berthoud. If you
> are using shorter plastic fenders that don't reach so low behind the front
> wheel, then any rack that holds the fork after you remove the front wheel
> might do.
>
> René
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Pierre wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this
>> option is now gone with our new car.
>>
>> I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a
>> fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any
>> advice?
>>
>> I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with
>> fenders.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if
>> interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the
>> wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)
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[RBW] PHL Riv friendly LBS

[Dan Scott]

Any suggestions for a Riv friendly LBS in or around PHL?

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[RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?

[Allan S.]

The Rambouillet will actually take 700x38 tires, without fenders of 
course--I know because I put a pair of wheels from a Cannondale hybird with 
very fat (IRC) 38's on my wife's Ram for the C&O canal ride. It looked very 
funky, just barely cleared--but did--and rode wonderfully on the wet mush. 

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>
> I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it seems like 
> maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? Is it just 
> a Hilsen without good rack mounts? Does Rivendell keep an archive of older 
> stuff somewhere on their site?

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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

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I'm happy to post photos if someone can explain how I would do this! 

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[RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[LeahFoy]

You do raise an excellent point. I'm not sure how the B17 will ride, and I'm 
definitely not willing to swap for a less comfortable saddle. But I've seen 
lots of BF bikes with A-bars and B17s so they must work for some people. The 
biggest BF fan in the blogosphere (Dottie from Let's Go Ride A Bike) has one 
and her saddle/bar height look about like mine. I've submitted photos in this 
thread (but I'm new, so they are presently in moderation) and maybe you all 
could give an opinion as to whether the B17 might work for my setup. Thanks, 
everyone!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

[Brian Hanson]

I'll second the zip-tie advice.  I have the medium and just use 2 zip-ties
to steady it on the rear of the bag at the rack.

Brian
Seattle, WA


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> My Large Saddlesack is permanently on my bike. I was using zipties to
> attach bag to rack, but some people say that the zipties damage the bag, so
> currently it's only attached to the saddle, and it rests on the rack. I
> need to figure out some new attachment solution.
>
> I don't understand why one would use Irish straps to attach bag to rack.
> Irish straps are great, but where do you use them and doesn't it block the
> handy big opening?
>
> I take my bike on fire roads frequently. Those fire roads are either steep
> themselves, or found at the top of steep paved roads. So I go up and down
> steep roads all the time; the Atlantis and Saddlesack handle flawlessly.
> Weight up high has not proved to be a problem for me.
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, once you get your large SS be sure to post pictures and
>> impressions. I'm curious as to how the bikes perform with those bags out in
>> the wild. On the one hand it puts a lot of weight up high but perhaps this
>> isn't an issue. The bags are beautiful for sure and easy to access. I
>> totally regret selling my medium SS a few years back. I'll say this. The
>> medium bag was fine unanchored but was excellent when attached to a Nitto
>> Top Rack as it stayed in place. I imagine the large ones attached to a rack
>> with zip ties or straps is similar.
>>
>> I'm hoping to treat myself to a replacement Sackville saddlebag later
>> this year and am considering going with the large.
>>
>> --mike
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Re: [RBW] WTT: My B17 for your Imperial.

[Brian Hanson]

Michael - just make your own out of the B17:  http://wp.me/p1kJzU-5S

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Looking to try an Imperial - black or browns, honey, etc.
> I have a black B17 that has probably less than 200 miles on it.
> In very good shape.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

[Anne Paulson]

My Large Saddlesack is permanently on my bike. I was using zipties to
attach bag to rack, but some people say that the zipties damage the bag, so
currently it's only attached to the saddle, and it rests on the rack. I
need to figure out some new attachment solution.

I don't understand why one would use Irish straps to attach bag to rack.
Irish straps are great, but where do you use them and doesn't it block the
handy big opening?

I take my bike on fire roads frequently. Those fire roads are either steep
themselves, or found at the top of steep paved roads. So I go up and down
steep roads all the time; the Atlantis and Saddlesack handle flawlessly.
Weight up high has not proved to be a problem for me.


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Patrick, once you get your large SS be sure to post pictures and
> impressions. I'm curious as to how the bikes perform with those bags out in
> the wild. On the one hand it puts a lot of weight up high but perhaps this
> isn't an issue. The bags are beautiful for sure and easy to access. I
> totally regret selling my medium SS a few years back. I'll say this. The
> medium bag was fine unanchored but was excellent when attached to a Nitto
> Top Rack as it stayed in place. I imagine the large ones attached to a rack
> with zip ties or straps is similar.
>
> I'm hoping to treat myself to a replacement Sackville saddlebag later this
> year and am considering going with the large.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

[Mike]

Patrick, once you get your large SS be sure to post pictures and 
impressions. I'm curious as to how the bikes perform with those bags out in 
the wild. On the one hand it puts a lot of weight up high but perhaps this 
isn't an issue. The bags are beautiful for sure and easy to access. I 
totally regret selling my medium SS a few years back. I'll say this. The 
medium bag was fine unanchored but was excellent when attached to a Nitto 
Top Rack as it stayed in place. I imagine the large ones attached to a rack 
with zip ties or straps is similar. 

I'm hoping to treat myself to a replacement Sackville saddlebag later this 
year and am considering going with the large. 

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Just how dark do Brooks honey saddles get?

[Mike]

Here's some pictures of my 6yr old Honey B17.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8142953377/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8577884068/in/set-72157633053478798

I really like the way this saddle looks. Still, if I were going to buy a 
new Brooks, I'd probably get a brown one.

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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[cyclotourist]

These people, of course being http://www.etrailer.com/

Cheers,
David



On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> What Aaron said. These people are HIGHLY recommended. All their
> installations are viewable on youtube and it's really straightforward.
> That's presuming your vehicle isn't an outlier that doesn't have the
> capacity, or a work vehicle or similar.
>
> Re roof racks: If you have the choice between clamp on or hard-mount screw
> on type, definitely going with the screw on. The clamp on ones are
> incredibly easy to pull off. There has been a rash of rack thefts at one of
> our local trailheads.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If indeed the problem is no hitch in the new car, then I would suggest
>> considering getting a hitch installed or doing it yourself. I put a
>> hitch on my minivan and it was really pretty easy.  I got the hitch from
>> Amazon and found an install video on YouTube.  Cost was about $150. I'm not
>> sure what a roof rack costs, but if you still have the bike rack a hitch
>> install might be cheaper than a new roof rack. Also, if you don't want to
>> do it yourself I think Uhaul will install a hitch for about $200.
>>
>> Aaron Young in Vancouver, WA
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Kelly wrote:
>>
>>> Check this one out.. Just what your looking for
>>>
>>> http://www.atoc.com/biketopper.php
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[cyclotourist]

What Aaron said. These people are HIGHLY recommended. All their
installations are viewable on youtube and it's really straightforward.
That's presuming your vehicle isn't an outlier that doesn't have the
capacity, or a work vehicle or similar.

Re roof racks: If you have the choice between clamp on or hard-mount screw
on type, definitely going with the screw on. The clamp on ones are
incredibly easy to pull off. There has been a rash of rack thefts at one of
our local trailheads.

Cheers,
David



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> If indeed the problem is no hitch in the new car, then I would suggest
> considering getting a hitch installed or doing it yourself. I put a hitch
> on my minivan and it was really pretty easy.  I got the hitch from Amazon
> and found an install video on YouTube.  Cost was about $150. I'm not sure
> what a roof rack costs, but if you still have the bike rack a hitch install
> might be cheaper than a new roof rack. Also, if you don't want to do it
> yourself I think Uhaul will install a hitch for about $200.
>
> Aaron Young in Vancouver, WA
>
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Kelly wrote:
>
>> Check this one out.. Just what your looking for
>>
>> http://www.atoc.com/biketopper.php
>>
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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Aaron Young]

If indeed the problem is no hitch in the new car, then I would suggest
considering getting a hitch installed or doing it yourself. I put a hitch
on my minivan and it was really pretty easy.  I got the hitch from Amazon
and found an install video on YouTube.  Cost was about $150. I'm not sure
what a roof rack costs, but if you still have the bike rack a hitch install
might be cheaper than a new roof rack. Also, if you don't want to do it
yourself I think Uhaul will install a hitch for about $200.

Aaron Young in Vancouver, WA

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[RBW] WTT: My B17 for your Imperial.

[Michael]

Looking to try an Imperial - black or browns, honey, etc.
I have a black B17 that has probably less than 200 miles on it.
In very good shape.
I can send pics if interested. Let me know.
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[RBW] Just how dark do Brooks honey saddles get?

[Michael]

I like the honey, but torn between honey and dark brown.
The Brown looks kinds reddish in pics i have seen.
The honey looks great, but would love it to darken up a bit.
 
Anyone got any pics of one or 'tother to share?

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[RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

[Michael]

>
> Alba's look cool with the black grips.

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[RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Kelly]

Check this one out.. Just what your looking for

http://www.atoc.com/biketopper.php

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Leslie]

Sounds like, the new car doesn't have a hitch...

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Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

[PeterG]

Wow! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

[Mike Schiller]

and don't forget the bandana's on Rob's site.

~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

[cyclotourist]

I don't know if Rob would agree, but that sounds like an Ocean Air Rambler
to me!

http://oceanaircycles.com/bicycles/rambler/



Cheers,
David



On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> How about a French style geometry bicycle with a Hobo planaria?  Low racks
> with low trail fork, Newbaum handle wrapped with twin at the end, and
> shellac in placed.  Plastic fenders, dyno wheel for lights in the front
> and back. Basket up front to hold your things.  You could probably play the
> harmonica while you bicycle down the road.
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> Mouth harp would work too.
>> On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, "Lee Legrand"  wrote:
>>
>>> Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R  wrote:
>>>
 I felt it here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/


 On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:
>
> That last was meant for Tim :-)
>
> Hugh
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey Norman get out of my head!  :-)
>>
>> The greatest Hobo Band ever. RIP Richard, Rick & Levon. My sound
>> track through life.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:38:33 PM UTC-7, Norman R wrote:
>>>
>>> My idea of classy hobo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:51 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote:

 Love the ClassyHobo thing...I picture a charlie chaplain type
 leaning against a Homer and contently looking at the world go by

 On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:59:00 AM UTC-7, grant wrote:
>
> I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he
> likes bikes and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really 
> nothing he
> left out, or to add.
>
> One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that
> a group like this has already been filtered through progressively 
> finer
> sieves until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while
> maybe losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, 
> vaudeville,
> and black holes.
> Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're
> both practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the 
> '40s
> and no doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of 
> it,
> and there were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!).
>
> CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking
> up with assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on 
> forks
> and trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress 
> in
> carbon, or something.
>
> So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or
> less integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar
> bags---in the picture that's only slightly bigger than the one 
> outside the
> powerful microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like 
> salt's
> contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is 
> thumbs-upping
> Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that 
> he's
> actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and 
> tastes,
> educating along the way.
>
> Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as
> I call them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of 
> the
> bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and 
> I'm one
> he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing 
> and I'm
> down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as 
> antagonists,
> which makes us both feel weird, sinceit ain't like that at all. 
> I've
> known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us 
> together
> and keeps us that way.
>
> His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have
> dipped into it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels 
> like a
> cozy blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from 
> non-planarial
> bikes!)
>
> G
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[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

[WETH]

Here is a photo of the beverages:


Best regards,
Erl

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:25:39 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my 
> everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan 
> on strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put 
> the Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up 
> all right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the 
> kickstand and dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree 
> where I am stopping. 
>
> My questions: 
>
> -- What kinds of loads do you carry? 
> -- Do you anchor it down and if so, how? 
> -- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or 
> unanchored? 
> -- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded? 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Michael Hechmer]

Why are you so committed to a roof rack?  I use a Saris hitch rack and like 
it much better than any roof rack I have owned - which is a lot. 
Michael

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:19:28 AM UTC-4, Pierre wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this 
> option is now gone with our new car.
>
> I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a 
> fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any 
> advice?
>
> I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with 
> fenders.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pierre
>
> PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if 
> interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the 
> wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)
>

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[RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

[WETH]

Patrick,
I carry all sorts of loads from a medium backpack full of clothes and a 
laptop computer, to six-packs of 12-oz bottled beverages, to box of Dunkin 
Coffee, to camping gear. (not all at one time:) )  I could easily exceed 
weight limit of wheel and rack before capacity of the bag.  I love the bag 
and leave it attached all the time.
I strap mine down with leather straps purchased, I believe, from Acorn 
Bags.  (see poor quality photo)
Strapped down, it takes being laid down fine.  It actually helps buffer 
other parts of the bike from the ground and adds some beausage (sp?).
Best wishes,


Erl

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:25:39 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my 
> everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan 
> on strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put 
> the Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up 
> all right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the 
> kickstand and dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree 
> where I am stopping. 
>
> My questions: 
>
> -- What kinds of loads do you carry? 
> -- Do you anchor it down and if so, how? 
> -- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or 
> unanchored? 
> -- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded? 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Once the Large SaddleSacks are back in stock I plan on getting one as my 
everyday bag on the bike. It will rest on a Nitto Large Rear Rack. I plan on 
strapping it down with 1-2 short Irish Straps. For camping, I will put the 
Sackville Panniers under it and am hoping the lashing points match up all 
right. I often lay the bike down, especially when loaded as the kickstand and 
dirt just do not hold it upright and there may not be a tree where I am 
stopping.

My questions:

-- What kinds of loads do you carry?
-- Do you anchor it down and if so, how?
-- How does it handle being laid down? Does it lay down better anchored or 
unanchored?
-- If unanchored, how does it ride on rough roads when loaded?

Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Bruce Herbitter]

Not to mention that the B-17 comes in a lady's model as well


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> Welcome!
>
> Are you aware of how differently the B17 rides than the B68? The B17 can
> be too narrow for a more upright position, which I presume you have on the
> Betty? An upright position has us sitting on the wider part of our sit
> bones, so saddle width makes a big difference. Aside from that, I haven't
> an opinion one way or the other. Go for what gives you delight, first to
> ride, second to look upon.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Jimmy Hutch]

Rock the red!

The fact that you asked makes the answer self evident.

-Jimmy

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[djbardwil]

I went through the same debate with a Brooks B17 Electric Blue saddle for 
my Atlantis - it matched the lettering outline perfectly.  I added some 
chainstay wrap in blue to touch it off and am very happy with the results. 
If you like it, go for it!  There is no wrong answer in personlizing. 




On Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:15:51 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Welcome!
>
> Are you aware of how differently the B17 rides than the B68? The B17 can 
> be too narrow for a more upright position, which I presume you have on the 
> Betty? An upright position has us sitting on the wider part of our sit 
> bones, so saddle width makes a big difference. Aside from that, I haven't 
> an opinion one way or the other. Go for what gives you delight, first to 
> ride, second to look upon.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
>

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[RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Deacon Patrick]

Welcome!

Are you aware of how differently the B17 rides than the B68? The B17 can be too 
narrow for a more upright position, which I presume you have on the Betty? An 
upright position has us sitting on the wider part of our sit bones, so saddle 
width makes a big difference. Aside from that, I haven't an opinion one way or 
the other. Go for what gives you delight, first to ride, second to look upon.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] 1987 Bridgestone MB-1, 50cm, for sale

[brian t]

Greetings Riv folk. Now that I am the proud owner of a new RBW Legolas, I'm
letting go of my Bridgestone MB-1. It's one of the coolest MB-1s ever, in
my opinion, being one of the few production mountain bikes made for, and
spec'ed with, Dirt Drop handlebars.

The size is 50cm, good for someone 5'8" to 5'10" or so.

Since I have *inside access*, I had Rich Lesnik build me a set of Hands On
Wheels with a NOS Shimano 600 8-speed hubset and Velocity Aeroheat rims.
There are some other anachronistic parts, but this bike is meant for
riding, not collecting, so changes were made to increase utility. So before
you ask, know that it's not a completely stock bike. Bars, brakes, maybe
brake levers, shifters, are all that remain from the original spec.

See it here on CL: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3799217477.html

I'm asking $650 to start. I'd really like it to go to someone who will ride
it as it was intended to be ridden!

If you are in the Bay Area, you can see it and ride it at RBW HQ.

Thanks for looking!

-Brian

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[bwphoto]

Go red and while you're at it get some cool red foot ware along with red bottle 
cages and blue bottles...why stop with the saddle? Then of course lots of 
pictures.

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[RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Philip Williamson]

Welcome! And red saddle for sure. I still enjoy seeing the green saddle on my 
green Quickbeam after 9 years. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[René Sterental]

Hi Pierre,

The only roof racks that work well with fendered bikes are those that grab
the frame via the downtube. Of the few available, the one I like the most
is the Thule Criterium:
http://www.thule.com/en-us/us/products/bike-carriers/roofcarriers/598-criterium-_-598

The other one is the Yakima Raptor Aereo, but its design isn't as refined
as the Criterium.

I'm assuming you are using long fenders, such as Honjo or Berthoud. If you
are using shorter plastic fenders that don't reach so low behind the front
wheel, then any rack that holds the fork after you remove the front wheel
might do.

René

On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Pierre wrote:

> All,
>
> I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this
> option is now gone with our new car.
>
> I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a
> fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any
> advice?
>
> I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with
> fenders.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pierre
>
> PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if
> interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the
> wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)
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Re: [RBW] Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos

[jimD]

👍  +1   😄
On May 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, John Blish  wrote:

> The Soma badge is merely a cloaking device.  
> 
> Those with the means and ability can see through it and know it is a Riv 
> design.  
> 
> Those who lack the means or ability to see that don't know the difference 
> between a Riv and a Soma design anyway.   
> 
> You will be able to tell in which category to place someone who starts up a 
> conversation based on how they identify it without them even knowing that you 
> are doing so.  
> 
> -jb
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Doug Williams  wrote:
> I’m looking at getting a San Marcos from Rivendell soon. Of course, I would 
> REALLY prefer a Roadeo, if only I could find another $1,300. But I digress.
> 
> As a big Rivendell fan, I have to say that the one annoying thing about the 
> San Marcos is the lack of anything (other than the very small print on the 
> chainstay) that mentions that it is a Rivendell. Well, we can’t do anything 
> about the decals (they have clear-coat over them) but what about the 
> headbadge? Couldn’t Riv put a Rivendell headbadge on the San Marcos for those 
> frames purchased from Riv HQ and fully assembled by Rivendell elves with all 
> parts purchased from Rivendell?
> 
> Sounds petty, I know. But reading the web, I am not the only one with this 
> petty hang-up. A Rivendell headbadge could be a big incentive for people to 
> buy the San Marcos from Rivendell instead of Amazon (or wherever).
> 
> I hear that a blow dryer will soften up the glue and allow the San Marcos 
> headbadge to be easily removed and replaced with a Rivendell one.  J  Of 
> course, I don’t know what the Riv contract with Soma might say about this.
> 
> Doug
> 
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Re: [RBW] Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos

[John Blish]

The Soma badge is merely a cloaking device.

Those with the means and ability can see through it and know it is a Riv
design.

Those who lack the means or ability to see that don't know the difference
between a Riv and a Soma design anyway.

You will be able to tell in which category to place someone who starts up a
conversation based on how they identify it without them even knowing that
you are doing so.

-jb


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Doug Williams wrote:

>  I’m looking at getting a San Marcos from Rivendell soon. Of course, I
> would REALLY prefer a Roadeo, if only I could find another $1,300. But I
> digress.**
>
> As a big Rivendell fan, I have to say that the one annoying thing about
> the San Marcos is the lack of anything (other than the very small print on
> the chainstay) that mentions that it is a Rivendell. Well, we can’t do
> anything about the decals (they have clear-coat over them) but what about
> the headbadge? Couldn’t Riv put a Rivendell headbadge on the San Marcos for
> those frames purchased from Riv HQ and fully assembled by Rivendell elves
> with all parts purchased from Rivendell?
>
> Sounds petty, I know. But reading the web, I am not the only one with this
> petty hang-up. A Rivendell headbadge could be a big incentive for people to
> buy the San Marcos from Rivendell instead of Amazon (or wherever).
>
> I hear that a blow dryer will soften up the glue and allow the San Marcos
> headbadge to be easily removed and replaced with a Rivendell one.  J  Of
> course, I don’t know what the Riv contract with Soma might say about this.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Lyle Bogart]

Welcome, Leah! Ooooh, go red! And I'm not a matchy person (as my socks will
attest!) but I think a red brooks on a Betty would look great. . . plus
your dad needs a different saddle, right? :-)


Cheers!

lyle


On 11 May 2013 12:33, René Sterental  wrote:

> Go red! Objective advice from someone who matches green Brooks saddle and
> bar tape to his green bags on his pewter Hunqapillar!
>
> René
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> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Spranger wrote:
>
>> The Betty Foy owner in the household votes to leave the honey saddle. I
>> vote red as I have done the color matching thing with a blue brooks saddle
>> that perfectly matches the brake cables and headset spacers on my SimpleOne.
>>
>> David
>> Charlotte, NC
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:43:09 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, All!
>>>
>>>  I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you!
>>>
>>> In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy.
>>> She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a
>>> gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I
>>> made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that
>>> they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the
>>> decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what
>>> is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would
>>> you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey
>>> color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently
>>> suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love
>>> your opinions, so thanks ahead of time!
>>>
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: protovelo done

[Stephen S]

Looks like a Bleirot fork with a Hillborne frame. Brake reach is solidly in 
the 57-59mm reach range. It looks like a fun sporty ride! Have fun!

Stephen

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:16:16 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> Sloping top tube. Slots on the brakes look like med reach. Could be San 
> Marcos ish.
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:59:36 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>> The new protovelo build is mostly finished.  As I mentioned before, I've 
>> never had a proper roadie type bike and I had been collecting parts to 
>> build one when this frame came up on the Riv site as a web special.  I have 
>> no idea what it was a prototype for.
>> I've never ridden with integrated shifters and it's not my first choice 
>> but for this build it made sense.  I'm interested in learning more about 
>> the sport of cycling and not just rambling around or commuting which I 
>> normally do on a Hillborne.
>> So far it feels fast and super stable, but I've only ridden it for about 
>> 20 minutes.
>> best
>> Jason
>>
>> *http://tinyurl.com/bo563th*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[René Sterental]

Go red! Objective advice from someone who matches green Brooks saddle and bar 
tape to his green bags on his pewter Hunqapillar!


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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Spranger 
wrote:

> The Betty Foy owner in the household votes to leave the honey saddle. I 
> vote red as I have done the color matching thing with a blue brooks saddle 
> that perfectly matches the brake cables and headset spacers on my SimpleOne.
> David
> Charlotte, NC
> On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:43:09 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> Hi, All!
>>
>>  I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! 
>>
>> In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. 
>> She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a 
>> gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I 
>> made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that 
>> they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the 
>> decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what 
>> is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would 
>> you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey 
>> color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently 
>> suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love 
>> your opinions, so thanks ahead of time!
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: protovelo done

[ted]

Sloping top tube. Slots on the brakes look like med reach. Could be San 
Marcos ish.

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:59:36 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> The new protovelo build is mostly finished.  As I mentioned before, I've 
> never had a proper roadie type bike and I had been collecting parts to 
> build one when this frame came up on the Riv site as a web special.  I have 
> no idea what it was a prototype for.
> I've never ridden with integrated shifters and it's not my first choice 
> but for this build it made sense.  I'm interested in learning more about 
> the sport of cycling and not just rambling around or commuting which I 
> normally do on a Hillborne.
> So far it feels fast and super stable, but I've only ridden it for about 
> 20 minutes.
> best
> Jason
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/bo563th*
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[David Spranger]

The Betty Foy owner in the household votes to leave the honey saddle. I 
vote red as I have done the color matching thing with a blue brooks saddle 
that perfectly matches the brake cables and headset spacers on my SimpleOne.

David
Charlotte, NC

On Friday, May 10, 2013 4:43:09 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Hi, All!
>
>  I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! 
>
> In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. 
> She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a 
> gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I 
> made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that 
> they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the 
> decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what 
> is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would 
> you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey 
> color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently 
> suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love 
> your opinions, so thanks ahead of time!
>
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Bruce Herbitter]

Red saddles look great on many bikes.  Go for it!  When I built up a
repainted bike a while back, a friend donated some Brooks green bar tape.
Naturally, I had to get a green B17 to match


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:43 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:

> Hi, All!
>
>  I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you!
>
> In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy.
> She's the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a
> gorgeous Brooks B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I
> made the mistake of tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that
> they now make a RED B 17...and it would be the exact red that all the
> decals and fill-ins on the lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what
> is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would
> you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible honey
> color prevail? My other saddle could go to my dad, who is currently
> suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no waste there... I'd love
> your opinions, so thanks ahead of time!
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[Brian Hanson]

I vote red!  Saddle matching is the new bag matching.  I have a blue B17 on
one bike, and like the matchy aspect.

Brian
Seattle, WA


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:05 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Only
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:
>
> Welcome! The initiation for new listmembers requires posting exquisite
> photos of their Rivendells. Please do so.
>
>
>> what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy?
>> Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible
>> honey color prevail?
>>
>
> Photos would help. Personally, I think Brooks Honey would go very well
> with a red frame, but so would a red saddle.
>
> I myself am not particularly careful about matching colors, but I do like
> to see photos of well matched bikes. A honey Brooks with honey bar wrap
>  ?
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Re: [RBW] Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[dan gee]

The stiffness of the frame also makes a bike feel fast/reactive versus 
slow/inert, to me, anyway. In my brief ride on a Roadeo, it felt responsive and 
springy like a skinny tire road bike. But then again, it's pretty obvious that 
a lot of perceptions of "fastness" have a lot more to with looks and 
familiarity than science. 
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[RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I'm pretty sure that Grant's and Jan's writings in this thread should be 
monogrammed and framed, just so it can be easily referenced when future 
postings try to drive a spike between their ideas.

I'm pretty firmly in the camp of The Ride Is What Matters, and if you are 
comfortable and feel like the bike will do what you request, then politely 
ask "Is that All?" you have a winner. 

Thanks to both Jan and Grant for furthering the discussion with real-world 
examples.  We would be poorer without your contributions. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

[Lee Legrand]

How about a French style geometry bicycle with a Hobo planaria?  Low racks
with low trail fork, Newbaum handle wrapped with twin at the end, and
shellac in placed.  Plastic fenders, dyno wheel for lights in the front
and back. Basket up front to hold your things.  You could probably play the
harmonica while you bicycle down the road.


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Mouth harp would work too.
> On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, "Lee Legrand"  wrote:
>
>> Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R  wrote:
>>
>>> I felt it here:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 That last was meant for Tim :-)

 Hugh

 On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:58:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Norman get out of my head!  :-)
>
> The greatest Hobo Band ever. RIP Richard, Rick & Levon. My sound track
> through life.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:38:33 PM UTC-7, Norman R wrote:
>>
>> My idea of classy hobo.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:14:51 PM UTC-4, PeterG wrote:
>>>
>>> Love the ClassyHobo thing...I picture a charlie chaplain type
>>> leaning against a Homer and contently looking at the world go by
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:59:00 AM UTC-7, grant wrote:

 I'm late to this one but jusr read Jan's thing about the way he
 likes bikes and the way I or Riv does, and so...there's really nothing 
 he
 left out, or to add.

 One thing to keep in mind that's easy to not keep in mind is that
 a group like this has already been filtered through progressively finer
 sieves until here we all are, comparing two species of planaria, while
 maybe losing the big picture, which includes tigers, volcanos, 
 vaudeville,
 and black holes.
 Jan's planaria is rando; RIV's is kind of classy hobo, but they're
 both practibo and in such similar ways, beautifo. Rando came in the 
 '40s
 and no doubt had its own influences, but RHerse was at the center of 
 it,
 and there were a few others (read Jan's book, omg, if I may!).

 CHobo bikes like ours wouldn't exist without those. I'd be hooking
 up with assorted Chinese bike factories looking for the best deals on 
 forks
 and trying to keep abreast of the lastest nanotechnological progress in
 carbon, or something.

 So, when it comes to a little more or less trail, a little more or
 less integration of racks, and big saddlebags versus big handlebar
 bags---in the picture that's only slightly bigger than the one outside 
 the
 powerful microscope, it's all the same. Jan's contribution is like 
 salt's
 contribution, at least that's one way I think about it. He is 
 thumbs-upping
 Herse and the old French guys, pointing to them, but in doing that he's
 actually making a huge contribution to modern bikes and styles and 
 tastes,
 educating along the way.

 Of course, there's nothing TO take away from the old Frenchies (as
 I call them, but I'm sure Jan has never), but because of the size of 
 the
 bike-riding population today, Jan is himself more influential, and I'm 
 one
 he's influencing. Periodically, while he's up there doing his thing 
 and I'm
 down here doing mine/RIV's, we get tossed into the ring as antagonists,
 which makes us both feel weird, sinceit ain't like that at all. 
 I've
 known Jan for close to 20 years. What we have in common brought us 
 together
 and keeps us that way.

 His book is a masterpiece. I've read the whole thing and have
 dipped into it many times since. It's soothing to the eyes and feels 
 like a
 cozy blanket on a chilly evening (the chilliness coming from 
 non-planarial
 bikes!)

 G

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Re: [RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[PATRICK MOORE]

Only

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM, LeahFoy  wrote:

Welcome! The initiation for new listmembers requires posting exquisite
photos of their Rivendells. Please do so.


> what is your opinion about swapping for the red? Will it look too matchy?
> Would you tire of seeing a cherry red Brooks? Should the more sensible
> honey color prevail?
>

Photos would help. Personally, I think Brooks Honey would go very well with
a red frame, but so would a red saddle.

I myself am not particularly careful about matching colors, but I do like
to see photos of well matched bikes. A honey Brooks with honey bar wrap
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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[Chris Lampe 2]

Me too!  Thanks for the clarification, Steve!
On Friday, May 10, 2013 5:28:09 PM UTC-5, Evan wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail vs. 
> geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!)
>
>>
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[RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Pierre]

All,

I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this 
option is now gone with our new car.

I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a 
fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any 
advice?

I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with 
fenders.

Thanks,

Pierre

PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if 
interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the 
wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[LBleriot]

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:33:15 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: 
>
>  I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of 
> the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride 
> with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting 
> anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be 
> comfortable. Not just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that 
> being comfortable allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. 
> Plus, at 55 years old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to 
> be able to ride daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the 
> last ride.
>
>  
>
> So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, 
> randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 
> degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter 
> tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? 
> I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the 
> same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars 
> high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, 
> and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride.
>
>  
>
> But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack 
> that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on 
> the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true 
> Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, 
> the San Marcos is $1,300 less.
>
>  
>
> Analysis paralysis, I know.
>
 
Hey Doug,
 
Not to complicate matters, but I had rear rack and DT shifter mounts brazed 
onto my Roadeo at minimal cost/complaints from GP.  I haven't used them 
since buying the San Marcos because in my mind, the SM is the better choice 
for a rear rack and medium bag.  I've kept the Roadeo slim for fast, 
pavement only rides.  
 
You should have no wories about all day comfort on the SM.  As long as the 
geometry fits (slack angles on my 54cm make for a long reach that in my 
case needed to be compensated with a zero offset seatpost and 1 cm shorter 
stem).  If you're not doing fast club rides (though it's no slug) and you 
occasionally ride off road or in the rain, I think the SM is your ticket.  
Good luck.

>  
>

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[RBW] Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[LeahFoy]

Hi, All!

 I'm Leah, and I'm happy to have discovered you! 

In November I managed to get my paws on my very own Rivendell Betty Foy. She's 
the completely perfect answer to my cycling needs. I slapped a gorgeous Brooks 
B68 in honey on her and it's been great. But yesterday I made the mistake of 
tooling around on the Brooks site and discovered that they now make a RED B 
17...and it would be the exact red that all the decals and fill-ins on the 
lugwork are. If fit isn't a consideration, what is your opinion about swapping 
for the red? Will it look too matchy? Would you tire of seeing a cherry red 
Brooks? Should the more sensible honey color prevail? My other saddle could go 
to my dad, who is currently suffering with his stock Specialized saddle, so no 
waste there... I'd love your opinions, so thanks ahead of time!

Leah

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Re: [RBW] Some thought on my Riv's - Long

[PATRICK MOORE]

Kelly -- very interesting writeup (of course I was particularly interested
in that for the Ram). I've not ridden any of Grants later models, but you
descriptions of their handling and feel match my own experience with the
five Rivs I've owned (with some reservations about the Sam Hill).

Great bikes. I have to choose today (light-load errand ride with detour)
between the Ram and the '03 fixed.

[List: Kelly helped with my Ram build by donating 3/4 of a wheelset that I
traded for an Open Pro set. Thanks again!]

Patrick Moore, who rode his *58* cm Ram 23 miles yesterday on the new
Parigi Roubaix tires ***without a single flat***.

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Kelly  wrote:

> All this discussion about trail and this and that and I realized I didn't
> care.  At 6'5" tall and 225 what many want to claim as heavy tubing isn't
> heavy to me.   In my race bike days I liked areo wheels that were very
> stiff and felt like you were on a rail and instantly put power to the road.
>
> Then again it took me 1000 miles at the first of each year to get my neck
> and back in shape to be comfortable in that aggressive position. I'm
> very fortunate to have found Rivendell and even more fortunate to have more
> than one... I can say this, for me they do what I expect and better than
> any other bike I've tried for the same purpose while giving me the look I
> want.   For me that is not having 1/2 a football field of seat post
> sticking out.  I think my Bombadil has to long a seat post for me but I
> can't get over how well she rides.
>
> Anyway the Bombadil
>
> I used to tour on a Giant XL OCR Tour bike which came with Disc brakes.
> I did thousands of miles of touring the bike and it always got me home.
> Over the years I went from touring on 700x28 Marathon Plus to 700x35's and
> then as now I took what I wanted to have not worried about how much weight
> was on the bike. This is where the Bombadil shines.   The Giant with a
> bit of technique was smooth and handled ok ... the Bombadil doesn't care
> just pedal, in the saddle, out of the saddle you name it.   A typical
> touring load for me is about 30 lbs give or take on the front.  About 12 in
> each pannier and 6 to 10 on front basket.
> On the rear Usually about 40 pounds depending on the amount of camera
> equipment this may end up as high as 50.   The Bombadil lets me just ride
> it and scream on the downhills... I can't tell you the joy of coasting down
> hill loaded to the hilt in excess of 40 mph with one hand on the handlebar
> and on holding my hat on while being steady as a rock.. or laying through
> turns with a solid concise feel.  Not to mention the comfort of 700x50
> tires..  There may be better bikes out there for some.. but this one has
> the ability to do what I need.   It also does great on those 40 ish mile
> city rides with just some cameras thrown in the large sackville on the back
> or in the front basket.. she just doesn't car.
>
>
> My A Homer Hilsen
>
> Has turned into the Atlantis i can never find ... front Marks Rack with
> small bag then an arkel handlebar bag hanging over that with a large
> saddlesack on the rear which now has foam installed for camera gear.I
> have 700x37 pasela on the rear and a 700x33.3 JB on the front and drop
> bars.  It's become the duplicate but does so much.  It fills in as a tour
> bike, it handles club rides, it does everything good and fits like a dream.
>
>
> Rambouillet
>
> When I couldn't find a 68 cm Atlantis I went the other way and jumped on
> this frame.   At 68cm with brooks saddle and 48cm noodles cages and all it
> still comes in at 25lbs which is about 6 pounds heavier than my Giant TCR 0
> Dura Ace carbon racer.This includes the Rene Herse triple, dyno,
> supernova headlight and taillight, 700x29 gran boise tires and velo orange
> raid rims with a b17.  As you can see if weight was an issue dropping a few
> pounds would not be a issue with different stuff. This one of all my
> Rivs has more of the race bike feel to it.  Twichty is the wrong word but
> more that direction than the Homer.   A good feel and it handles fast
> downhills and sharp turns with precision and grace.  (even with me on it)
>   The only time I miss my Giant is when sprinting and then the Ram is just
> not stiff enough for me.   My only real gripe at the moment is that it
> doesn't have a kickstand.   Other than that it is fast, comfortable, and
> the best event bike / century bike I've ever owned.
>
> Quickbeam
>
> Fits like a dream and rides like a dream, but sits most of the time.   My
> knees have been bothering me and though no big long climbs short steep ones
> make this an end of year kinda bike.. for sale too.. just not at the
> devalued level I've seen Riv's going for lately.. she will collect dust
> before I give her away.
> The ride is stable, smooth and a dream ...
>
> Everyone likes something different  or thinks they know the best.   Well
> you do know what is best for you, but that doesn't 

[RBW] protovelo done

[jandrews_nyc]

The new protovelo build is mostly finished.  As I mentioned before, I've 
never had a proper roadie type bike and I had been collecting parts to 
build one when this frame came up on the Riv site as a web special.  I have 
no idea what it was a prototype for.
I've never ridden with integrated shifters and it's not my first choice but 
for this build it made sense.  I'm interested in learning more about the 
sport of cycling and not just rambling around or commuting which I normally 
do on a Hillborne.
So far it feels fast and super stable, but I've only ridden it for about 20 
minutes.
best
Jason

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Re: [RBW] Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 07:45 -0700, Doug Williams wrote:
> I also found the review frustratingly vague. As you said, he talks
> about geometry, but doesn’t specify what he means. To be fair, most
> bike reviews are like this one: a gloss over without offering any
> specifics.
> 
> He also says, “The San Marcos gets you where you want to go in comfort
> and style, but it’s not going to be the most racy thing to ride.” I
> infer from this that he thinks that the San Marcos is a slow bike. But
> WHY does he feel the San Marcos is slow? Is it the non-aerodynamic
> upright position? 

And it's not like the bike was set up bolt upright.  OK, maybe the
design doesn't permit you to slam the stem, but then, how many riders
actually can ride a bike with a slammed stem?


> Is it the 6 degree sloping TT? 

I think we can safely eliminate that, because most racing bikes these
days are slopers, too.


> Is it the extra 8 ounces of the double TT on the 63 cm model he was
> riding? Or is it some other aspect of what he calls “retro geometry”?

Probably in the end, it comes down to "it looks slow."

>  In the end, we just don’t know why he feels that the Marcos is slow.

He also mentions the 32mm tires in a way that makes me think he believes
they'll make the bike slow.  However, it's not at all clear to me from
reading the review whether he actually ever rode the bike.  Wouldn't
surprise me at all to find he did not.

> 
> The lack of specifics in the review is frustrating. The reviewer rode
> the 63 cm model. The 47cm and 51 cm models have 650b wheels. The 59cm
> and 63cm models have 700c wheels but they also have the double TT. I’m
> looking at the 54cm San Marcos and trying to compare it to the 55 cm
> Roadeo. The 54 cm San Marcos is unique in that it has 700c wheels but
> no double top tube. It should be fairly easy to compare the 54cm 700c
> San Marcos to the 55cm 700c Roadeo, both with single top tubes. But
> this review provides no information to help with that.

I can see where that would be useful, but the chances of ever finding a
review with that level of specificity are about zero, I'm afraid.

But I think there's a lot of specificity missing even in the official
brochure about this bike.  Does it fit like a Rivendell?  How would you
size it?  Are you really sure you'd take the 54?

And why does a 59 cm road frame need a double top tube, anyway?



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[RBW] Re: old pasela 37's on the Simpleone and picking up new wheels for the Protovelo

[jandrews_nyc]

Hey there
The Bleriot looks great.  I miss that bike..but it was too small. I'm so 
glad you like it.  Looks like it's treating you well.
I love awkward bike portage also (as long as it's safe)
Best
Jason



On Monday, May 6, 2013 11:22:29 PM UTC-4, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> Beautiful, man ... I always like seeing the awkward package portage pics 
> ... here's one of your 'ol Bleriot from last October:
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2013 6:40:04 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>> A couple of phone pics from today
>> I took the Jack Browns off the Simpleone since they will be going on the 
>> new Protovelo.
>> I had some Pasela 37's that seem to really beef up my Simpleone.
>> Then picked up some new wheels that the Jack Browns will go onto.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[Doug Williams]

 

I also found the review frustratingly vague. As you said, he talks about 
geometry, but doesn’t specify what he means. To be fair, most bike reviews 
are like this one: a gloss over without offering any specifics.

He also says, “The San Marcos gets you where you want to go in comfort and 
style, but it’s not going to be the most racy thing to ride.” I infer from 
this that he thinks that the San Marcos is a slow bike. But WHY does he 
feel the San Marcos is slow? Is it the non-aerodynamic upright position? Is 
it the 6 degree sloping TT? Is it the extra 8 ounces of the double TT on 
the 63 cm model he was riding? Or is it some other aspect of what he calls 
“retro geometry”? In the end, we just don’t know why he feels that the 
Marcos is slow.

The lack of specifics in the review is frustrating. The reviewer rode the 
63 cm model. The 47cm and 51 cm models have 650b wheels. The 59cm and 63cm 
models have 700c wheels but they also have the double TT. I’m looking at 
the 54cm San Marcos and trying to compare it to the 55 cm Roadeo. The 54 cm 
San Marcos is unique in that it has 700c wheels but no double top tube. It 
should be fairly easy to compare the 54cm 700c San Marcos to the 55cm 700c 
Roadeo, both with single top tubes. But this review provides no information 
to help with that.

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:38:05 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 10:03 -0600, René Sterental wrote: 
> > 
> http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/content/review-soma-fabrications-san-marcos 
>
> What do you think he means by "geometry"?   
>
> For example, the following: "For those of us used to more modern 
> geometry, the extra top tube looks like overkill," and "Well, it’s 
> mainly about handlebar height and retro geometry to increase comfort." 
>
> What is "retro geometry?" 
>
> 71-72.5 head angle, 71.5-71.8 degree seat angle -- perhaps not as steep 
> as many, even most today, but I think the expectation is the bike will 
> be used with a B.17 and everybody always complains about the short rails 
> on a B.17 not working well with steeper seat angles; and of course, if 
> <72 is too slack the world is chock full of zero offset seat posts. 
>
> But what's any of that got to do with the double top tube?  Would anyone 
> here call that "geometry"? 
>   
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Some thought on my Riv's - Long

[Kelly]

All this discussion about trail and this and that and I realized I didn't 
care.  At 6'5" tall and 225 what many want to claim as heavy tubing isn't 
heavy to me.   In my race bike days I liked areo wheels that were very 
stiff and felt like you were on a rail and instantly put power to the road. 
 
Then again it took me 1000 miles at the first of each year to get my neck 
and back in shape to be comfortable in that aggressive position. I'm 
very fortunate to have found Rivendell and even more fortunate to have more 
than one... I can say this, for me they do what I expect and better than 
any other bike I've tried for the same purpose while giving me the look I 
want.   For me that is not having 1/2 a football field of seat post 
sticking out.  I think my Bombadil has to long a seat post for me but I 
can't get over how well she rides. 

Anyway the Bombadil  

I used to tour on a Giant XL OCR Tour bike which came with Disc brakes.   I 
did thousands of miles of touring the bike and it always got me home.   
Over the years I went from touring on 700x28 Marathon Plus to 700x35's and 
then as now I took what I wanted to have not worried about how much weight 
was on the bike. This is where the Bombadil shines.   The Giant with a 
bit of technique was smooth and handled ok ... the Bombadil doesn't care 
just pedal, in the saddle, out of the saddle you name it.   A typical 
touring load for me is about 30 lbs give or take on the front.  About 12 in 
each pannier and 6 to 10 on front basket. 
On the rear Usually about 40 pounds depending on the amount of camera 
equipment this may end up as high as 50.   The Bombadil lets me just ride 
it and scream on the downhills... I can't tell you the joy of coasting down 
hill loaded to the hilt in excess of 40 mph with one hand on the handlebar 
and on holding my hat on while being steady as a rock.. or laying through 
turns with a solid concise feel.  Not to mention the comfort of 700x50 
tires..  There may be better bikes out there for some.. but this one has 
the ability to do what I need.   It also does great on those 40 ish mile 
city rides with just some cameras thrown in the large sackville on the back 
or in the front basket.. she just doesn't car. 


My A Homer Hilsen

Has turned into the Atlantis i can never find ... front Marks Rack with 
small bag then an arkel handlebar bag hanging over that with a large 
saddlesack on the rear which now has foam installed for camera gear.I 
have 700x37 pasela on the rear and a 700x33.3 JB on the front and drop 
bars.  It's become the duplicate but does so much.  It fills in as a tour 
bike, it handles club rides, it does everything good and fits like a dream. 
  

Rambouillet

When I couldn't find a 68 cm Atlantis I went the other way and jumped on 
this frame.   At 68cm with brooks saddle and 48cm noodles cages and all it 
still comes in at 25lbs which is about 6 pounds heavier than my Giant TCR 0 
Dura Ace carbon racer.This includes the Rene Herse triple, dyno, 
supernova headlight and taillight, 700x29 gran boise tires and velo orange 
raid rims with a b17.  As you can see if weight was an issue dropping a few 
pounds would not be a issue with different stuff. This one of all my 
Rivs has more of the race bike feel to it.  Twichty is the wrong word but 
more that direction than the Homer.   A good feel and it handles fast 
downhills and sharp turns with precision and grace.  (even with me on it)   
  The only time I miss my Giant is when sprinting and then the Ram is just 
not stiff enough for me.   My only real gripe at the moment is that it 
doesn't have a kickstand.   Other than that it is fast, comfortable, and 
the best event bike / century bike I've ever owned. 

Quickbeam

Fits like a dream and rides like a dream, but sits most of the time.   My 
knees have been bothering me and though no big long climbs short steep ones 
make this an end of year kinda bike.. for sale too.. just not at the 
devalued level I've seen Riv's going for lately.. she will collect dust 
before I give her away. 
The ride is stable, smooth and a dream ... 

Everyone likes something different  or thinks they know the best.   Well 
you do know what is best for you, but that doesn't make it best for anyone 
else.   Remember that and trust what feels good and works good for you.   
Just because someone says a bike will wag the tail if you have a seat bag 
doesn't make it so.
Or just because someones decides that because they experienced it one way 
it's fact for all just laugh and move on.   For me and my size most of the 
information I see and hear has to be taken if a large grain of sand as it 
doesn't relate.  I go through tires faster, bottom brackets faster, brake 
pad's and the list goes on. 

I like different bikes and have not found a 68cm bike on the market that 
does what the bikes I have do ...  I'm happy and since I've been riding 
mine many friends have bought them as well.  Which is a bummer in a way 
because I

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[Bruce Herbitter]

Comments on two prior posts.

Yes Rene, I've enjoyed it also. I drooled over Rivendells when I first saw
a Romulus ad. The first production bike that would fit me "off the rack"
though was a smaller Rambouillet, so I got one at the end of 2006. 10,000
miles later, I still love it.  Later, I started to read Jan's observations
and bought his tires for my 2d bike, a Saluki. They continue to ride well.
The next bike was more Jan-ish I think, a late 70s or early 80s UJB crit
racer that a prior owner had converted to 650B. It's Riv-sih nod is M-bars
on a high Nitto Dynamic stem. Higher BB and lower trail, it's a great bike
for shorter, spirited rides. It can't touch the Ram or Saluki for all day
comfort though. The Saluki, with lower trail than the Ram, handles a small
front load well. I did not like the Ram with a load on the Mark's rack I
tried, and then sold. With long chain stays, both bike do rear weight fine.

Steve:  The Ram has two wheel sets. One has 28mm Conti Gatorskins and the
other 37mm Panaracer Paselas. Changing between them gives no noticeable
steering feel change to me. The 28s are faster by 1 - 2 mph on avg.

I've told a co worker I'd bring fatter tires to work next week so we can do
some fire road rides. Which bike/tires to bring? :)
A delicious quandary.  (Ram with Paselas, Saluki with Oursons, Crit bike
with pari motos?)


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> What a great discussion
>
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>> Tire width has a small inpact on geometric trail.  Tire width has a
>> large impact on pneumatic trail.  The two combine to produce overall
>> trail.  When you widen the tires and increase pneumatic trail, you need
>> to reduce geometric trail, or else you end up with excessive trail and
>> the bike feel sluggish.  When you narrow the tires you need to increase
>> the geometric trail, or you may end up with insufficient stability.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Also, starting in the towns allows one-day ralliers to drive in, park 
somewhere, and meet us conveniently.

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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

That's right Marc. For those of us camping at Forestville, we can leave our 
gear there during the day. I'm basing the "official" start each day in Spring 
Valley and Preston, respectively, because those towns have services like 
lodging, groceries, etc. This gives us some "bonus miles" commuting to the 
starting points each day. 

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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Marc Irwin]

If I get the gist of the itinerary, we are going to camp and stay at 
Forestville, ride out each day, end up making a loop and return to the 
campground.  So riding loaded with camping gear from place to place is not 
on the agenda if we are camping there, correct.

Marc

On Friday, May 10, 2013 12:59:38 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Great! So far I know of three people who reserved sites. Rumor has it that 
> the park rangers are flexible about the number of small tents, so I think 
> you can probably count on sharing a site, if you choose. The campground has 
> a number of non-reservable sites, for those who show up without 
> reservations. Somehow, someway, it'll work.
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59:21 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>> I intend to come up from Michigan.  I'll roll with your plan to get a 
>> sight at Forestville for three nights and return Monday.  I can get my own 
>> or share, if sharing is a possibility, let me know in a few days, Otherwise 
>> I will reserve one next Wed.
>>
>> Marc Irwin
>> irwi...@gmail.com
>> 269-910-3251
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

[Eric Daume]

My experience doesn't reflect this. I recently picked up a low trail
Rawland Nordavinvden, and it handles very well with no load and high, wide
bars (above saddle by maybe 1.5")  I actually haven't even ridden it with
any front load yet.

Though I also like my higher trail, stiffer tubed Crosscheck as well.

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA
wrote:

>
> I don't know if that is entirely true. Certainly, lower trail bikes favor
> having a load at the front to feel "normal", at least for me. Without a
> load, low trail bikes are squirrely. That means lower trail bikes favor a
> more front-biased weight distribution to feel "normal", including perhaps
> by having a lower handlebar. That also means that lower trail bikes will
> probably feel squirrely with Bosco or other upright bars (speculation;
> haven't tested).
>
> Of course, one can get used to either low or high trail bikes and once
> that happens, whichever one that's familiar will feel "normal".
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 22:31 -0500, Alex Zeibot wrote:
> Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur
> bicycle.  It takes more than just a fork.   

Plenty of Rivendells have been transformed into randonneur bicycles
without any changes to the fork at all.  

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[RBW] How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

[bobish]

Not a riv but close enough? I just converted a garage sale find trek 520 to 
a-bars (all my bikes have a-bars!). It's pretty damned upright.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x47bt8g8hntks2l/Photo%20May%2009%2C%2011%2023%2017%20AM.jpg

Bolt upright? Well, yeah. I tried it with the original stem and the a-bar (I 
refuse to call it an alba) was a bit low. I used a dirt drop stem because I had 
it on hand but for aesthetics, I'd prefer an L-shaped nitto stem that comes up 
pretty high. The bar position should be roughly he same. My advice for all 
interested in more upright position is:

- go for it!
- start with wide saddle
- go for as upright as humanly possible and work your way back until you hit 
your sweet spot

Enjoy!

- Perry

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Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

It takes more than just a fork to transform a Riv into a randonneur, indeed. 
Most importantly, it takes some kooky person to sit in the saddle and turn the 
cranks and follow the cue sheet faithfully for between 7 and 90 hours. Anybody 
who's obsessing over fork rake or any other hardware triviality is missing the 
point.

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