Re: [RBW] riv ride redux

[Christopher Chen]

Manny Principle – according to Smitty:

“Mere uncertainty and tardy-ness are not sufficient reasons to abandon an
adventure. Unless danger is imminent, the adventure must move forward.”

That's what I'm talking about!
On Jul 6, 2013 9:29 PM, "Brian Hanson"  wrote:

> I did a more thorough ride report on last month's Seattle vs. Portland Riv
> Rumble - hopefully inspiration to the nor-cal vs. so-cal rumble coming up.
>  Special thanks to Chris and Andy for extra photographs!
>
> http://stonehog.wordpress.com/2013/07/06/camping-with-bikes/
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] WTB : Riv Hat, Saddlesack Large

[Christopher Chen]

Just ask yourself: What would Manny do?
On Jul 6, 2013 12:43 PM, "Evan Spacht"  wrote:

> Thought I'd poke around for a used bag.
> The  green hats are outta stock, but no biggy!
>
> I'm riding a 47cm Homer. there's only about 6 inches between the saddle
> loops and the rack, but the height of the bag is 8.5'' . Anyone else riding
> a small bike with the Large Saddlesack?
>
>
> On Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:22:21 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> These guys are selling a Saddlesack in Large--your choice of Tan or Olive
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/bassl-tan.htm
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/bassl.htm
>>
>> And they have a Kelly Green hat
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/ac3.htm
>>
>>
>> :) :) :)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Evan Spacht  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Is anyone trying to sell a Saddlesack Large?
>>>
>>> also, I lost my old kelly green RBW Hat and would love to replace it!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Evan
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Christopher Chen]

Wald basket on a marks rack in the front, with a modified Timbuk2 bag with
clips to secure to the basket.

Nitto r14 in the back, with a large saddlesack zip tied with 1/2" wide
ties.

Rides great. Fenders keep the bags nice and clean.

NASA mission patches on the bags because.
On Jul 5, 2013 7:13 AM, "NWAJack"  wrote:

> So a while back there was a RR article about what they were carrying in
> their saddlebag.  So, what do you all have on your rack(s) right now?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

[Christopher Chen]

Yes. My 57cm Waterford Hilsen. There's another bike in the basement but
you'd never know it. It's fast, capable, and fun.
On Jul 5, 2013 10:01 AM, "Evan Spacht"  wrote:

> my one bike: 47cm Toyo A.Homer Hilsen
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[RBW] A curiosity on my Betty frame

[LeahFoy]

Exactly. It is missing on some other pics of Bettys I have seen. Maybe one or 
two hearts will be painted but the other lugs' hearts will be blue like the 
rest of the frame.

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[RBW] A curiosity on my Betty frame

[Kelly]

Dawns (my wife) Betty had the hearts painted red.  Is this what your talking 
about?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8234010898/in/set-72157632041778279

Kelly

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[RBW] riv ride redux

[Brian Hanson]

I did a more thorough ride report on last month's Seattle vs. Portland Riv
Rumble - hopefully inspiration to the nor-cal vs. so-cal rumble coming up.
 Special thanks to Chris and Andy for extra photographs!

http://stonehog.wordpress.com/2013/07/06/camping-with-bikes/

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Security bolts for every component on your Rivendell, including cranks...

[justinaugust]

Box Dog Bikes shared this saddle security home brew today: 
http://instagram.com/p/bb2qdeMX38/

-J

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[RBW] Chris King Headset

[Tex69]

I have a 1999 Litespeed Blueridge that will last long after I bite the dust. I 
had the $$ so I put a CK headset (black) on it when my original 11 year-old 
Aheadset got chunky. 

Volvo, Ford, or Kia. To each his or her own. 

And the CK looks and feels great.

Tim S

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[RBW] Re: Security bolts for every component on your Rivendell, including cranks...

[Michael]

>
> I just bought the security saddle clamp bolt and seat post bolt.
>
Maybe I won't have to hide the Brooks saddles as much now. ha ha! 
 
Bought some water bottle/accessory security screws also.
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Crazy New Urban S240

[Eric Platt]

I like it.  Otherwise the options around the Twin Cities are
somewhat limited unless you like to stealth camp.

Coot alert! - am old enough to remember when folks were allowed to camp in
Fort Snelling State Park.  The area under the Mendota bridge.  One set of
grandparents would drive all of 5 miles, put up the pop up, and we'd spend
the night.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> I had been stymied on S24Os thus far but this is a great idea. Thanks for
> the inspiration!
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[RBW] Crazy New Urban S240

[Peter Pesce]

I had been stymied on S24Os thus far but this is a great idea. Thanks for the 
inspiration!

Pete in CT

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[RBW] Re: First Riv in the wild

[LeahFoy]

Mike, but we saw plenty of carbon and spandex, didn't we? Would have liked to 
meet more steel steeds but will try my luck in Vegas. Moving there in a week 
and wondering if it is a habitat for any other Rivs...

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[RBW] A curiosity on my Betty frame

[LeahFoy]

In browsing some Flickr photos, I noticed that some other Betty owners' frames 
that are painted in the stock color do not have the hearts in the lugs filled 
in with red paint. Woah, that was a ridiculous sentence. Anyway, does anyone 
know why? Was it standard back in the day NOT to have the hearts painted? Did 
this change in later production? Or did I get some special frame I wasn't 
entitled to - like some wealthy patron who changed her order last minute, 
perhaps... My Betty was purchased Dec 2012, if that helps.

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[RBW] Re: First Riv in the wild

[Mike Schiller]

Must be a beard thing with AHH's  Curtis. I saw Hugh's pictures and thought 
these guys must know each other. Your bikes looks great too.  I live just 
north of there in Carlsbad now.

and Leah... I used to live in Santa Clarita and ride a Ram. I never saw 
another Riv my whole time living there.

~mike





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[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[Minh]

pam hopefully someone can suggest a riv-ish option, but for non-rivish 
there are a ton of shops which will rent you a hybrid bike in the city, it 
runs about $20-30 a day.

a lesser known secret is that if you stay at a kimpton hotel, they have 
bikes you can checkout for free.   i've stayed at the harbor court (public 
bikes, but only 2-3 so you have to get one early in the morning), i've also 
stayed at the drake, which does not have any bikes on-site but if you talk 
to the concierge they will give you a coupon for a free rental from a place 
around the corner.

of course if you're not staying in a hotel this would not apply :)

On Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:32:14 PM UTC-4, pam wrote:
>
> This is OT but I'm planning a trip to San Fran and would like to rent a 
> bike.  Would you know a shop I can call?  The SFBP is on the first Fri. 
>  Have you ever ridden in it?
>
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Re: [RBW] 68cm redwood

[Derek Simmons]

It's not mine either; whoever gets it get a great bike. There are that many
out there.


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> Not mine, no relation - just popped up on craigslist and I know some tall
> folks exist on this list
>
> http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/bik/3917948464.html
>
>
> not a common bike to see for sale.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] 68cm redwood

[Seth Vidal]

Not mine, no relation - just popped up on craigslist and I know some tall
folks exist on this list

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/bik/3917948464.html


not a common bike to see for sale.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Chris King Headset

[Garth]

Why not ?   Same reason people buy a Phil BB or hubs, cartridge bearings 
don't need frequent maintenance .  Sure, they cost more upfront, but so 
what really. What price can you put on your time less spent doing overhauls 
?  

You can the same of any thing. Why pay for a Brand X Frame when a Brand YZ 
doesn't break either ? 
What determines the value I place upon anything ?
I do , and For each person to decide for themselves :) 
There's no bad reasons either ;)

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[RBW] Chris King Headset

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Why buy a Riv frame, when a Surly is a fraction of the price and just as 
functional and durable?

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[RBW] First Riv in the wild

[LeahFoy]

Lucky you! I have also seen only one Riv in the wild and it was a Ram. At least 
I think so; I was caught off-guard because I had been staring at his wife's 
pink bike (how I love pink!) which was a Gunnar. I looked at him just in time 
to see what I think was the Ram decal. If I had been sure, you can bet I'd have 
chased him down and insisted he discuss it with me. ;)

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Re: [RBW] WTB : Riv Hat, Saddlesack Large

[Evan Spacht]

Thought I'd poke around for a used bag.
The  green hats are outta stock, but no biggy!

I'm riding a 47cm Homer. there's only about 6 inches between the saddle 
loops and the rack, but the height of the bag is 8.5'' . Anyone else riding 
a small bike with the Large Saddlesack? 


On Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:22:21 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> These guys are selling a Saddlesack in Large--your choice of Tan or Olive
>  
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassl-tan.htm 
>  
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassl.htm 
>  
> And they have a Kelly Green hat
>  
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac3.htm 
>  
>  
> :) :) :)
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Evan Spacht 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi folks, 
>>
>> Is anyone trying to sell a Saddlesack Large? 
>>
>> also, I lost my old kelly green RBW Hat and would love to replace it!
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Evan
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[RBW] First Riv in the wild

[Curtis]

Went for a ride on Saturday along the SoCal coast from Solano Beach to Torry 
Pines State beach.  At the base of the hill up to Torrey Pines I see a bearded 
gentleman on a green AHH.  I was riding my dtt AHH.  It turned out to be Hugh 
from this group.  We had a great talk and after about 45 minutes or so he went 
north and I continued south.  It was great to meet a like minded rider and 
compare bikes and ideas.  Hugh took some pictures to document the chance 
meeting.  What great people one can meet on a bike.  Ride often and ride safe.  
Peace.

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Re: [RBW] Crazy New Urban S240

[Peter Morgano]

Now this is an idea I can get behind, I like the own bathroom part the
best. if it drops below 100 any time soon I will give it a go, what a great
idea!


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> My friend Sergio (who is, incidently, a lurker on this list) came up with
> a brilliant idea:  A nice long ride followed by a camp-out in his back
> yard!  What a hoot.  We rode along Minnehaha Creek, down to Fort Snelling,
> up the Mississippi through Mendota Heights and back to South Minneapolis.
> Stopped at the butcher, picked up brats, grilled them in his back yard with
> some other friends, set up our tents, built a fire in the fire pit, and
> slept out.  This morning, there was a bathroom...life is good.  It's
> actually a great idea for the urban dweller and I do believe we'll do it
> again!
>
> give it a try and report back!
> Riv Urban Chica Warrior
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Re: [RBW] WTB : Riv Hat, Saddlesack Large

[Peter Morgano]

These guys are selling a Saddlesack in Large--your choice of Tan or Olive

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassl-tan.htm

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassl.htm

And they have a Kelly Green hat

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac3.htm


:) :) :)


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Evan Spacht  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Is anyone trying to sell a Saddlesack Large?
>
> also, I lost my old kelly green RBW Hat and would love to replace it!
>
> Thanks!
> Evan
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[RBW] Crazy New Urban S240

[Liesl]

My friend Sergio (who is, incidently, a lurker on this list) came up with a 
brilliant idea:  A nice long ride followed by a camp-out in his back yard!  
What a hoot.  We rode along Minnehaha Creek, down to Fort Snelling, up the 
Mississippi through Mendota Heights and back to South Minneapolis.  Stopped 
at the butcher, picked up brats, grilled them in his back yard with some 
other friends, set up our tents, built a fire in the fire pit, and slept 
out.  This morning, there was a bathroom...life is good.  It's actually a 
great idea for the urban dweller and I do believe we'll do it again!

give it a try and report back!
Riv Urban Chica Warrior

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Re: [RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

[Dan McNamara]

Glad the 107 worked. If you want lower Q than that then you are looking at a 
different crankset and BB. Might as well just enjoy the bike for a while. 

Dan

-Marin 

On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> UPdate:  I put a 107mm bb on the Sam H. with the Sugino triple (thanks to Dan 
> M. for sending me a barely used 107mm tange for just the cost of shipping - 
> the guy's a saint, I tell you).  It fits just fine.  Still lots of clearance 
> between the crank arms and chain stays and looks like at least 5 mm of gap 
> between the inner chain ring and proximal chain stay.  I'm sure it could fit 
> an even narrower bb, but are there <107mm cartridge bb's easily obtained?
> 
> The bb that was in there was a 116mm.  I don't notice much difference in the 
> Q factor feel.  I realize the difference is only ~4.5mm per side and I 
> probably move my feet around on the pedals by that much incidentally anyway.  
> In fact, I noticed raising my seat made a bigger difference in how wide the Q 
> factor feels.  Now I need to ride this darn bike!
> 
> -Aaron Young
> Vancouver, WA
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:06 AM, charlie  wrote:
>> I use the 107mm also with the Sugino xd triple on my Hillborne.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:32:46 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like I will have to give the 107 a try. The symmetry will be an 
>>> added bonus, even though I wouldn't be surprised if one of my legs is 3 mm 
>>> shorter than the other anyway.  Asymmetrical stays = tentacular. 
>>> Asymmetrical legs = also tentacular?  Hmmm...
>>> 
>>> -Aaron Young
>>> The 'Couve, WA
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2013, Garth wrote:
 I use the XD2 with a 110 and a 107. With the XD2, the 107 gives symmetric 
 arms from the stays. With the 110, the 3mm are all of the non drive side. 
 It makes no real world difference in riding to me, but if one is a 
 perfectionist, it would bother them. 
 
 I'm surprised Riv is suggesting a 110 when the 107 gives symmetric arms. 
 The extra 3mm won't give you any extra ring clearance, unless one is using 
 some spacers on the drive side , which in that case a 110 works great for 
 that. This is what I do on my Bombadil, a 1.5mm spacer.   
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[RBW] Re: Morning coffee ride on the freshly painted All Rounder!

[Matt Beebe]

Looks like a fabulous morning!   The green paint looks sweet, and the bike 
seems to eat those 650b wheels right up.   Clearance!  leave it to a Riv 
anyway. 


On Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:07:17 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
>
> This mornings ride has been in my head for a LONG time, and the last week 
> saw all the parts come together.
>
> Bike by Rivendell
> Caldera Keg by Trail Designs via Ocean Air Cycles
> Acorn Mini Rando provided by the board - Thanks Thomas!
> Green cap from Jenny "The Funky Drummah" Klug
> Coffee and sunshine from the gods.
>
> It should be of no surprise that when you assemble quality made, thought 
> out, tried and true products...the results harmonize effortlessly.
>
> I enjoyed one of the nicest outings on my bike this morning.
>
> Pictures. Proof.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/sets/72157634508699383/
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[RBW] Chris King Headset

[Don Genovese]

What's with the Chris King headset? I've owned at least twenty-five bikes
over the last thirty years, none with a Chris King headset. I've never had
a head set fail. Perhaps they will require replacement at some time but I
don't think they actually break. Why do people pay such outrageous prices
for a Chris King. IMO any headset is not worth that price. Just my rant.

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[RBW] WTB : Riv Hat, Saddlesack Large

[Evan Spacht]

Hi folks, 

Is anyone trying to sell a Saddlesack Large? 

also, I lost my old kelly green RBW Hat and would love to replace it!

Thanks!
Evan

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[RBW] Re: Morning coffee ride on the freshly painted All Rounder!

[Deacon Patrick]

It looks great! I love the color. Fantastic inaugural outing.

It's amazing how a short ride with a stop outdoors (a pipe for me, rather 
than coffee, waterfalls rather than ocean), relaxes and fuels the soul.

With abandon,
Patrick 



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>
> This mornings ride has been in my head for a LONG time, and the last week 
> saw all the parts come together.
>
> Bike by Rivendell
> Caldera Keg by Trail Designs via Ocean Air Cycles
> Acorn Mini Rando provided by the board - Thanks Thomas!
> Green cap from Jenny "The Funky Drummah" Klug
> Coffee and sunshine from the gods.
>
> It should be of no surprise that when you assemble quality made, thought 
> out, tried and true products...the results harmonize effortlessly.
>
> I enjoyed one of the nicest outings on my bike this morning.
>
> Pictures. Proof.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/sets/72157634508699383/
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[RBW] Re: FS Paselas, Nitto bars, Brooks Swift

[moshmosh]

Rando handlebars and the Brooks have been claimed. Tires and the Nitto 176 
are available. 


On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 8:52:33 PM UTC-7, moshmosh wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a few things for sale - see list below. Prices include shipping 
> (payment via Paypal gift).
>
>
>- Panaracer Paselas, 28/700c, 100mi ($40)
>- Rivendell Maxy Fasty 650B, good condition ($40)
>- Rivendell Nitto 176 handlebars, 26.0 clamp, 42cm, great condition 
>($35)
>- Nitto Randonneur handlebars, 25.4 clamp, 44cm, excellent (sold)
>- Brooks Swift Saddle, brown, steel rails, new (sold)
>
>
> Photos
>
>- 
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/znvsMHNe6KU57ABih9uKSCfcqBtjghqgTwNGdC3CGac?feat=directlink
>- 
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FyBanU53Dkx0FOmN-9MflifcqBtjghqgTwNGdC3CGac?feat=directlink
>- 
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5CbmTGV6qfg3MD4zY1OUjyfcqBtjghqgTwNGdC3CGac?feat=directlink
>- 
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/i0dFkbmDmTOktRkej9dveSfcqBtjghqgTwNGdC3CGac?feat=directlink
>- 
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YRlqqpV121EVDfFV2RFk2yfcqBtjghqgTwNGdC3CGac?feat=directlink
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Selle Anatomica X saddle in mahogany

[Dave Redmon]

*Yes it is, Manny. That said, I'll be away from home until Fri 12 July.*
** 
*Dave* 
 
*btw, I do enjoy your photography--and I know that takes effort (plus 
talent of course).* 

On Friday, July 5, 2013 11:04:49 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:

> Dav,
> Wondering if the saddle is still for sale?

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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[blakcloud]

I use a Gamoh porteur rack on the front. Sometimes I zip tie a Wald  basket 
other times I just use bungee cords to strap whatever I need for work. Love the 
porteur rack.

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[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[pam]

This is OT but I'm planning a trip to San Fran and would like to rent a 
bike.  Would you know a shop I can call?  The SFBP is on the first Fri. 
 Have you ever ridden in it?


On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:53:02 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a rumble in 
> Cal.
>
> Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get things 
> semi more organized. 
> Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind driving 
> down somewhere in the middle.
>
> Any ideas?
>

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[RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

[pam]

I only have one bike my Betty Foy.  I got it May 2011 and I've ridden it 
just about every day since.  I use it for everything.  I won't win any 
races - I did a couple of alleycats on it but I have a good time.  I have 
over 7000 miles on it.  And loving it.

On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:48:04 PM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote:
>
> Suppose the title says it all. But I've been a thinking about going down 
> to 1---not a big step down cause I normally only have two three tops o' 
> working bikes anyways. And the overlap is out of control. How many 26" 
> touring bikes does one fellow need deal. But I love what I love I guess. 
>
> One bike? Could ya do it and what would it be?
>

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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Robert Barr]

I hadn't thought of that, could be good for overnights with the family! Bob


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Nah, the shopping cart I haul behind my bike takes up the overflow.
>
> Patrick Moore, geeking out to the max in rainy ABQ, NM
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> Erm, if you are hauling around two trashcans worth of stuff maybe it's
>> bakfeit time
>> On Jul 6, 2013 11:14 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> If those others use are like those I've used on a couple of bikes some
>>> years ago, I would urge (unless you just have a fad for baskets) you
>>> consider good grocery panniers, those deep enough to swallow an overloaded
>>> paper sack and with a lid. The Wald baskets I used were too narrow to
>>> accept a paper sack and the holes are too big to secure plastic bags.
>>>
>>> If you want solid panniers, you might consider Oyster Buckets (or
>>> whatever they are called) or, for the ultimate and ne plus ultra of pannier
>>> convenience (they are far, far superior to baskets in use if not fashion)
>>> make your own out of kitchen trash bins, the kind that take standard "30
>>> gallon" bags. I still have a pair, even though I gave up using them because
>>> I felt silly riding around with a pair of trashcans (white, basic, kitchen)
>>> strapped to my rack. But if you tolerate Wald baskets, you probably have a
>>> higher geek threshold anyway.
>>>
>>> I gave a second pair to my n-d neighbor along with a beater Schwinn
>>> gocery bike I sold him for $60. He's still using them 5-6 years after the
>>> purchase.
>>>
>>> Finally, you can customize your trash cans (white, of course) with any
>>> painted-on or stuck-on design that strikes your fancy.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>>

 Considering wald folding baskets in back

 Edwin

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[RBW] Morning coffee ride on the freshly painted All Rounder!

[jinxed]

This mornings ride has been in my head for a LONG time, and the last week 
saw all the parts come together.

Bike by Rivendell
Caldera Keg by Trail Designs via Ocean Air Cycles
Acorn Mini Rando provided by the board - Thanks Thomas!
Green cap from Jenny "The Funky Drummah" Klug
Coffee and sunshine from the gods.

It should be of no surprise that when you assemble quality made, thought 
out, tried and true products...the results harmonize effortlessly.

I enjoyed one of the nicest outings on my bike this morning.

Pictures. Proof.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/sets/72157634508699383/

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Re: [RBW] Sugino Triple Cranks on Sam H.

[Aaron Young]

UPdate:  I put a 107mm bb on the Sam H. with the Sugino triple (thanks to
Dan M. for sending me a barely used 107mm tange for just the cost of
shipping - the guy's a saint, I tell you).  It fits just fine.  Still lots
of clearance between the crank arms and chain stays and looks like at least
5 mm of gap between the inner chain ring and proximal chain stay.  I'm sure
it could fit an even narrower bb, but are there <107mm cartridge bb's
easily obtained?

The bb that was in there was a 116mm.  I don't notice much difference in
the Q factor feel.  I realize the difference is only ~4.5mm per side and I
probably move my feet around on the pedals by that much incidentally
anyway.  In fact, I noticed raising my seat made a bigger difference in how
wide the Q factor feels.  Now I need to ride this darn bike!

-Aaron Young
Vancouver, WA


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:06 AM, charlie  wrote:

> I use the 107mm also with the Sugino xd triple on my Hillborne.
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:32:46 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like I will have to give the 107 a try. The symmetry will be an
>> added bonus, even though I wouldn't be surprised if one of my legs is 3 mm
>> shorter than the other anyway.  Asymmetrical stays = tentacular.
>> Asymmetrical legs = also tentacular?  Hmmm...
>>
>> -Aaron Young
>> The 'Couve, WA
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 25, 2013, Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I use the XD2 with a 110 and a 107. With the XD2, the 107 gives
>>> symmetric arms from the stays. With the 110, the *3mm are all of the
>>> non drive side*. It makes no real world difference in riding to me, but
>>> if one is a perfectionist, it would bother them.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised Riv is suggesting a 110 when the 107 gives symmetric arms.
>>> The extra 3mm won't give you any extra ring clearance, unless one is using
>>> some spacers on the drive side , which in that case a 110 works great for
>>> that. This is what I do on my Bombadil, a 1.5mm spacer.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Patrick Moore]

Nah, the shopping cart I haul behind my bike takes up the overflow.

Patrick Moore, geeking out to the max in rainy ABQ, NM

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Erm, if you are hauling around two trashcans worth of stuff maybe it's
> bakfeit time
> On Jul 6, 2013 11:14 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> If those others use are like those I've used on a couple of bikes some
>> years ago, I would urge (unless you just have a fad for baskets) you
>> consider good grocery panniers, those deep enough to swallow an overloaded
>> paper sack and with a lid. The Wald baskets I used were too narrow to
>> accept a paper sack and the holes are too big to secure plastic bags.
>>
>> If you want solid panniers, you might consider Oyster Buckets (or
>> whatever they are called) or, for the ultimate and ne plus ultra of pannier
>> convenience (they are far, far superior to baskets in use if not fashion)
>> make your own out of kitchen trash bins, the kind that take standard "30
>> gallon" bags. I still have a pair, even though I gave up using them because
>> I felt silly riding around with a pair of trashcans (white, basic, kitchen)
>> strapped to my rack. But if you tolerate Wald baskets, you probably have a
>> higher geek threshold anyway.
>>
>> I gave a second pair to my n-d neighbor along with a beater Schwinn
>> gocery bike I sold him for $60. He's still using them 5-6 years after the
>> purchase.
>>
>> Finally, you can customize your trash cans (white, of course) with any
>> painted-on or stuck-on design that strikes your fancy.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Considering wald folding baskets in back
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Peter Morgano]

Erm, if you are hauling around two trashcans worth of stuff maybe it's
bakfeit time
On Jul 6, 2013 11:14 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> If those others use are like those I've used on a couple of bikes some
> years ago, I would urge (unless you just have a fad for baskets) you
> consider good grocery panniers, those deep enough to swallow an overloaded
> paper sack and with a lid. The Wald baskets I used were too narrow to
> accept a paper sack and the holes are too big to secure plastic bags.
>
> If you want solid panniers, you might consider Oyster Buckets (or whatever
> they are called) or, for the ultimate and ne plus ultra of pannier
> convenience (they are far, far superior to baskets in use if not fashion)
> make your own out of kitchen trash bins, the kind that take standard "30
> gallon" bags. I still have a pair, even though I gave up using them because
> I felt silly riding around with a pair of trashcans (white, basic, kitchen)
> strapped to my rack. But if you tolerate Wald baskets, you probably have a
> higher geek threshold anyway.
>
> I gave a second pair to my n-d neighbor along with a beater Schwinn gocery
> bike I sold him for $60. He's still using them 5-6 years after the purchase.
>
> Finally, you can customize your trash cans (white, of course) with any
> painted-on or stuck-on design that strikes your fancy.
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
>>
>> Considering wald folding baskets in back
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Robert Barr]

Like so many discussions I have followed with this group, it is informative
and helpful to read what solutions others have found. Baskets work best for
me. The large front basket holds my book bag easily and allows me to put a
raincoat or fleece on top for easy access.I also have reusable bags that
fit perfectly in the basket. A good friend swears by the cat litter bucket
panniers and helps our local advocacy group, IndyCog, teach people how to
make and attach them. It probably does help that we are both geologists,
and almost as a requirement have extremely high geek thresholds. Maybe a
big basket on the front and cat litter buckets on the back... Bob
(Indianapolis)
,


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> If those others use are like those I've used on a couple of bikes some
> years ago, I would urge (unless you just have a fad for baskets) you
> consider good grocery panniers, those deep enough to swallow an overloaded
> paper sack and with a lid. The Wald baskets I used were too narrow to
> accept a paper sack and the holes are too big to secure plastic bags.
>
> If you want solid panniers, you might consider Oyster Buckets (or whatever
> they are called) or, for the ultimate and ne plus ultra of pannier
> convenience (they are far, far superior to baskets in use if not fashion)
> make your own out of kitchen trash bins, the kind that take standard "30
> gallon" bags. I still have a pair, even though I gave up using them because
> I felt silly riding around with a pair of trashcans (white, basic, kitchen)
> strapped to my rack. But if you tolerate Wald baskets, you probably have a
> higher geek threshold anyway.
>
> I gave a second pair to my n-d neighbor along with a beater Schwinn gocery
> bike I sold him for $60. He's still using them 5-6 years after the purchase.
>
> Finally, you can customize your trash cans (white, of course) with any
> painted-on or stuck-on design that strikes your fancy.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
>>
>> Considering wald folding baskets in back
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Security bolts for every component on your Rivendell, including cranks...

[Patrick Moore]

No need, I found it -- Google is, etc.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Andrew: can you post the url to your source?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM, BSWP  wrote:
>
>> Yes - whether they're Torx or Allen, the security bolt has a post in the
>> center, and the tool needs a matching hole. I ordered some of these last
>> week (from Bicycle Bolts), both for seatpost binder bolt, and also the
>> bolts holding the seat to the seatpost. Seems like a perfect item for LBS
>> and RBW to stock.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Friday, July 5, 2013 11:24:42 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the security bolts have a post in the middle, so you need a
>>> wrench with a matching hole.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Security bolts for every component on your Rivendell, including cranks...

[Patrick Moore]

Andrew: can you post the url to your source?

Thanks.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM, BSWP  wrote:

> Yes - whether they're Torx or Allen, the security bolt has a post in the
> center, and the tool needs a matching hole. I ordered some of these last
> week (from Bicycle Bolts), both for seatpost binder bolt, and also the
> bolts holding the seat to the seatpost. Seems like a perfect item for LBS
> and RBW to stock.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2013 11:24:42 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I think the security bolts have a post in the middle, so you need a
>> wrench with a matching hole.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH on a touring bike?

[Patrick Moore]

The sound of a thousand heads exploding 

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:50 AM,  wrote:

> What about a Di2 Alfine hub with the battery in seatpost being charged by
> the Dynohub?
>
>
> I think I just heard a thousand heads explode.
>
> -J
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Patrick Moore]

If those others use are like those I've used on a couple of bikes some
years ago, I would urge (unless you just have a fad for baskets) you
consider good grocery panniers, those deep enough to swallow an overloaded
paper sack and with a lid. The Wald baskets I used were too narrow to
accept a paper sack and the holes are too big to secure plastic bags.

If you want solid panniers, you might consider Oyster Buckets (or whatever
they are called) or, for the ultimate and ne plus ultra of pannier
convenience (they are far, far superior to baskets in use if not fashion)
make your own out of kitchen trash bins, the kind that take standard "30
gallon" bags. I still have a pair, even though I gave up using them because
I felt silly riding around with a pair of trashcans (white, basic, kitchen)
strapped to my rack. But if you tolerate Wald baskets, you probably have a
higher geek threshold anyway.

I gave a second pair to my n-d neighbor along with a beater Schwinn gocery
bike I sold him for $60. He's still using them 5-6 years after the purchase.

Finally, you can customize your trash cans (white, of course) with any
painted-on or stuck-on design that strikes your fancy.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Edwin W  wrote:

>
> Considering wald folding baskets in back
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Security bolts for every component on your Rivendell, including cranks...

[BSWP]

Yes - whether they're Torx or Allen, the security bolt has a post in the 
center, and the tool needs a matching hole. I ordered some of these last 
week (from Bicycle Bolts), both for seatpost binder bolt, and also the 
bolts holding the seat to the seatpost. Seems like a perfect item for LBS 
and RBW to stock.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Friday, July 5, 2013 11:24:42 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I think the security bolts have a post in the middle, so you need a wrench 
> with a matching hole.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

[justinaugust]

Do you all own a backup car for each car you own, too?
Seems like expensive logic to me!
-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

[ascpgh]

The contingency aspect of more than one bike gets my vote too; an obvious 
fault at the beginning of the morning commute; the flat tire with no time 
to spare. The worst for me, however, is the unpredictable quality of a part 
or piece issue. "One bike" would need to have each of high quality and 
durability; not all parts are available from a spectrum of quality that 
goes as high as King headsets or SKS BBs. A "one" bike would (Chris King 
cables?).

I had a front derailleur cable snap at the head on the way to work one 
morning at the foot of the biggest hill on my route. Elapsing time removed 
any moments to reflect upon cable quality (initial personal commentary not 
appropriate) and the various bodges to fix it so I picked up the perfect 
size of gravel  from the curb and stuck it in the parallelogram of the 
derailleur for a good middle ring chain line and got going with little time 
lost.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Friday, July 5, 2013 4:26:04 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Thanks.  There's a photo of me and the bike taken immediately after it 
> happened on my flickr site.  I was very lucky - not only didn't I get hurt, 
> my tumbling roll stopped about a foot short of a huge pile of dog shit.  It 
> must have looked horrible: people behind me on the ride thought I'd be dead 
> for sure. 
>
> Actually, one of the weirdest failures I've ever encountered happened as a 
> result of that crash.  After I had the bike fixed, Tom, Joan and I went for 
> a ride to the National Arboretum.  (Joan took some photos of the old 
> Capitol columns which I converted to B&W; they're on my flickr site as 
> well.)  After we saw the columns, we went on to an overlook.  I stopped, 
> looked back wondering where Joan went, and discovered my front brake was 
> locked on.  Couldn't get the lever to move, couldn't get any slack into the 
> cable.  When Joan arrived the two of us spent around 10 min futzing with 
> the cable adjuster to get enough slack in the brake that I could ride. 
>
> Over the course of the next half hour, the brake slowly, miraculously, 
> healed itself.   
>
> When I took the bike to the LBS they disassembled the brake lever and 
> found inside the lever were to small pebbles that had gotten there when the 
> bike crashed.  They'd migrated to a position that jammed the brake lever, 
> and then as the ride went on, rolled a little and got out of the way again. 
>
> But looking at the dates of this message and the originals you're replying 
> to -- have you gotten really backed up, or has this message been circling 
> the Beltway somewhere since January? 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Montclair BobbyB" > 
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:52:44 AM 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it? 
>
> Steve: 
>
>
> GLAD YOU WEREN'T INJURED You're irreplaceable. BB 
>
> On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:06:41 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>
> On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 07:33 -0800, Jan Heine wrote: 
> > 
> > I find that with fewer bikes, it's easier to keep them in top shape. 
> > For many years, I raced and trained 12,000 miles a year and had a 
> > single bike, without ever missing a ride or race due to the bike not 
> > being rideable. 
>
> I recently had a bottom bracket spindle break on my George Longstaff 
> Audax. It took 10 days for the LBS to get the part and replace it. 
>
>
> I crashed. I walked away from it, and aside from the broken spindle, 
> the only damage was a slightly bent front derailleur that no longer 
> shifted well; getting that fixed only blew a day and a half. But bikes 
> often do get damaged in crashes, and sometimes in ways that can't be 
> fixed with a simple tweak (like a bent derailleur hanger). Forks bend. 
> Sometimes frames crack (I know a few people who have had to replace 
> carbon frames because they cracked when they fell over with two full 
> water bottles) and have to be replaced. 
>
> If I had to replace the fork on the Longstaff (assuming I could actually 
> even do that, the builder having been dead since 2003) it would take 
> months. Frame replacements can weeks, if it's a broken Cannondale or 
> Trek, or maybe years if it's something like Jan's Rene Herse. 
>
> Back in 2012, on the Longstaff, I discovered a cracked rear rim (Mavic 
> MA3) on Aug 13. I had the wheel rebuilt with an Open Pro at the LBS. 
> The new wheel was delivered Sept. 13. Almost all that time was 
> obtaining the rim, which was out of stock for about 3 weeks; the rest of 
> the time was the build itself. 
>
> Also in 2012, I had a cracked rear rim (this time, a Velocity Synergy). 
> Velocity replaced the rim and rebuilt the wheel under warranty. Bike 
> (this time, the MAP) was out of service from Feb 24 - March 2. 
>
> Besides extended deadlines waiting for parts or frame repairs, there's 
> another type of failure that Jan might not encounter. If you commute to 
> work and have to be there at a given time (yes, flex time 

[RBW] Re: 10 Bikes - could you do it?

[Deacon Patrick]

A trumpet of mammoths. Brilliant idea! You're not far off, actually. 
Eventually, I'd like to get a Sam or Hunqa for each member of our family 
(currently six) once they reach 16 or so and have mostly grown.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, July 5, 2013 11:27:15 PM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>
> Patrick (Deacon),
>
> I'm expecting that you get 10 Hunqapillars in 10 different colors. :)
>
> Takashi
>
>
> 2013年7月6日土曜日 7時30分19秒 UTC+9 Deacon Patrick:
>>
>> I could not. Anything more than my Hunqapillar would seem frivolous to me 
>> for what my riding needs are. That's why I went to the edge of fixie 
>> ownership for $100 and said no. My Hunqapillar is ten bikes in one. I 
>> realized as I glanced around the LBS the other day as I waited for some 
>> work to be done that there wasn't a single bike there I wanted, that 
>> whatever they could do, mine could also do, along with everything else, 
>> except all in the same ride. Apparently I'm not an n+1 guy. Sardonic grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>> On Friday, July 5, 2013 1:50:34 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> Or, "If you could have ten bikes, what would they be? " For Bobby. 
>>>
>>> 1. The Quickbeam in full commuter 
>>> drag.
>>>  
>>> Maybe with the S3X, or the Sachs Automatic, probably just fixed.
>>> 2. Bontrager mountain bike with drop 
>>> bars.
>>>  
>>> I love this bike. 
>>> 3. The Gravel 
>>> Roadster,
>>>  
>>> but custom made to fit me. Ideally made by Rob 
>>> English.
>>>  
>>> Gears, 60mm tires, fenderable, ~20lbs. Right now I'm using the GR for 10 
>>> mile loops with the guys from work, and I enjoy the contrast with their 
>>> bikes. 
>>> 4. Matt Chester fixed 
>>> gear.
>>>  
>>> Hunter fork. I've loved his bikes ever since I saw one on Fixed Gear 
>>> Gallery aeons ago . 
>>> 5. Jones titanium 
>>> spaceframe. 
>>> Truss fork, shorty 6-speed cluster, H-bars. Every Jones mod available. 
>>> 6. Rob English  snow bike. Superlight, 
>>> but giant tires. The Gravel Roadster x2. Basically, my idea is that a 
>>> fatbike doesn't need to be heavy-duty, *because *the massive tires 
>>> insulate the bike from shocks. 
>>> 7. Time Trial commute 
>>> bike. 
>>> For my 19 mi trip to work. In style. This would also be a Rob English bike, 
>>> I think. Fenders, Hetres, lighting, and a Ruckus 
>>> front box.
>>> 8. Cyclocross bike. A vanity racing bike, just for showing off. 
>>> Legolas, 
>>> Sachs,
>>>  
>>> Speedvagen , 
>>> or Ira Ryan . A pretty track 
>>> bike would fill the same (nonexistent) void. 
>>> 9. Custom Rivendell  fixed 
>>> gear offroad bike. A Quickbeam with more clearance. Threadless steerer, 
>>> vertical dropouts. Gusset.
>>> 10. 
>>> Appaloosa.
>>>  
>>> Boscos , just a couple 
>>> gears. 
>>>
>>> Not a single bike on this list has tires narrower than 33mm... and 
>>> there's no full suspension mountain bike, either. Weird. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Edwin W]

Large wald on the front
Spring loaded rack on back
Considering wald folding baskets in back

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: 10 Bikes - could you do it?

[Edwin W]

Sam hil for daily riding. Got it. 
Brompton (i have a crap little ss dahon as my foray into folding land)
Dutch box bike for 2 kids up front. Have a Joebike boxbike
Jan heine inspired randonneur as a go fast. I have 3 little kids I can't really 
be out randonneuring all the time!
Fat bike for suspension mtb. That would be fun to show off!
Work cycles Fr8 for citibike cargo bike for when the boxbike is too much. I 
love those things. I rode one in Chicago and this might be my next bike!
Hunq/Atlantis for touring (might replace the Sam hil? Not touring a lot with my 
three little ones at home)
Classic schwinn tandem for date night. Got it. 

See, all I need is 9 and I have most of them or something close. But you never 
know what Craigslist might bring tomorrow. 

Quite close, never quite there in bike ownership,

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: IGH on a touring bike?

[justinaugust]

What about a Di2 Alfine hub with the battery in seatpost being charged by the 
Dynohub?


I think I just heard a thousand heads explode. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: IGH on a touring bike?

[IanA]

Excellent advice.

On Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:30:54 AM UTC-6, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I've had a Nexus 8 which I used for commuting, my son uses one, I 
> currently have a Nuvinci N360 on my city bike.  Having used them in town a 
> lot, and having ridden thousands of miles of self-supported tours over the 
> past 40 years, I can say I would never use an IGH for a self supported 
> tour.  Too many things have happened on the road and I want to be able to 
> fix it when it does.  I would not want to be in SW Butheadistan when the 
> "black box" broke.  I've even heard of it happening to people using Rohloff 
> hubs.  I keep the IGH local and use traditional exposed gearing out on 
> tours.
>
> Marc
>
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 6:12:22 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
>>
>> I have been bouncing around an IGH concept.  Does anyone tour on an 
>> Alfine 8 rear hub?  The setup I am looking at would get me a low gear of 
>> about 28 inches and a high gear of 85 inches.  That looks great for 
>> commuting but maybe not enough for touring.  Does anyone tour on the Alfine?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH on a touring bike?

[IanA]

When the bike is loaded up and heavy, it can sometimes be easier to 
maintain balance on poor road surfaces by riding the bike.  When pushing 
the bike, one has to be off to one side or other and that can mean using a 
lot of upper body strength to control the bicycle (careful of the back). 
Meaning that when pushing  a steep climb over rough ground, it can be hard 
to maintain balance and footing.  This generally falls under the heading of 
expedition touring and for that the Alfine is probably not a great choice. 
 But for most general touring, I'd have to agree that that a person can 
make the Alfine work reasonably well.  It wouldn't be my choice though - I 
value a wide gear range for touring.

On Friday, July 5, 2013 3:41:08 PM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Ok, I can't stand riding for a long period of time at 3.5 mph either. On a 
> long climb (in the real mountains, not in Minnesota) I frequently alternate 
> between walking and pedaling. Not because either is faster or better, but 
> to alleviate boredom and the discomfort issues of sitting on an inclined 
> bike pedaling an easy gear.
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2013 3:14:27 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> It's been years since I used an 18" low but with a 40-50 lb load in 4 
>> panniers climbing over Massanutten Mountain in that 18" I was making better 
>> than 2 mph, and you can bet that pushing that bike up that steep grade I 
>> couldn't have made anything like the speed I was going.  But, as I say, 
>> that was years ago.   
>>
>> These days my lowest gear is usually 22", and on a long steep mountain 
>> grade I'm usually making around 3.5 mph using it.  (I had opportunity at 
>> Bike Virginia a week ago to take note of this, going up what they called 
>> "Caldwell Mountain".)  I barely make 3.5 mph walking on level ground, not 
>> pushing a bike.  I can't push a bike up a steep hill at anything remotely 
>> like 3.5 mph.  On Caldwell Mountain at 3.5 mph it looked as though  was 
>> going twice as fast as the people who were walking up the hill.   
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Matthew J"  
>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 10:40:08 AM 
>> Subject: [RBW] Re: IGH on a touring bike? 
>>
>>
>> > Personally I can't stand spinning a 20" low gear up some steep hill at 
>> 2 mph. I'd rather walk. 
>>
>> Same here. 
>>
>> Believe the evidence is clearly in on the Rohloff for long distance and 
>> rough stuff touring. Mine was quite a robust piece of work. 
>>
>

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