[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Cecily Walker]

I'd love to see more of Bruce's sketches!

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a 
> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily 
> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were 
> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the 
> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and 
> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain 
> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an 
> equally steep descent. 
>
> Highlights included:
>
> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is 
> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with 
> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>
> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with fancy 
> and tasty hot coffee
>
> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by 
> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>
> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>
> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Aaron Young]

Thanks for all the kind words everyone.  Here's a few more pics from my
iPhone.

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjKHZsj2

-Aaron
The Dalles, OR



On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 8:18 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> What a great ride, with good friends. I like what Zack said about the
> silence (no auto's) which has to ramp up the wow factor. And the descents
> looked amazingly fun. One of these days...
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a
>> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily
>> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were
>> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the
>> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and
>> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain
>> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an
>> equally steep descent.
>>
>> Highlights included:
>>
>> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is
>> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with
>> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>>
>> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with
>> fancy and tasty hot coffee
>>
>> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by
>> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>>
>> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>>
>> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Kieran J]

The brakes have self-centred, or close to it. I'm a big fan of the "locking 
down" the straddle dangle thingy, even if it is off-centre on the vertical 
plane. I think that's the point of the design.

KJ



On Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:25:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> When you say you haven't had any trouble, do you mean the brakes self 
> centered or you found a simple work around? What is it?
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[hsmitham]

What a great ride, with good friends. I like what Zack said about the 
silence (no auto's) which has to ramp up the wow factor. And the descents 
looked amazingly fun. One of these days... 

~Hugh

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a 
> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily 
> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were 
> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the 
> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and 
> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain 
> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an 
> equally steep descent. 
>
> Highlights included:
>
> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is 
> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with 
> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>
> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with fancy 
> and tasty hot coffee
>
> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by 
> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>
> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>
> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[JL]

Like others have said, get a Ram.  It is the bike you want.

Don't compromise on sizing.  Wait and get a 60cm when one turns up.  

Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Robert Barr]

Patrick - I am delighted to read that you got out - and the aspen looks
beautiful. I was thinking about you this morning as my daughter and I
worked our way around a nice trail. I let the girls direct the route, and
they are quite sure that there is nowhere they can't go on their bikes...


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> Sharing the love, here are a few of the aspen that greeted me:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10254043375/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Shoji Takahashi]

Have you tried the spring tension adjustment screw? It's located on both 
arms of the cantilever brake-- I saw my LBS do it on another bike. (I've 
not had a centering problem with the 720s. Brake squeal OTOH)

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:29:31 PM UTC-4, Robert Barr wrote:
>
> Michael - I am surprised at your problems with the 720s. My 720s set up 
> easier than any canti's I have used, and I bought them at the 
> recommendation of a friend that had just put them on two bikes.  I haven't 
> used Paul's, but compared to the Dia Compe and Shimano's that I have 
> experience with, the 720s were great. Self- centered with just a nudge as 
> Garth mentions, and then I tightened the carrier - never budged. My 
> experience may be unique, unlike a number of the comments you have 
> received, I like the adjustability of the Tektro carrier so much I bought 
> another set to see if they would held me adjust the always frustrating Dia 
> Compe's on my wife's MB3. They worked great. The diverse experiences of the 
> group with the 720s remind me again why we have the range of components 
> that we do - something for everyone. Good luck!
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Michael Hechmer 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> When you say you haven't had any trouble, do you mean the brakes self 
>> centered or you found a simple work around? What is it?
>>
>> I started with their hanger and then tossed it out and bought a Paul's 
>> moon unit.  Same result - one brake rubs while the other sits far away. 
>>  Putting one spring in the top hole on the post helped somewhat.   I 
>> beginning to think the springs themselves must have a lot of variability.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven't had any troubles with them. As others have noted, I used a 
>>> different hanger and Avid Tri-dangle straddles as opposed to the stock 
>>> ones, as I found the small hex cable bolts easier to manage than the wrench 
>>> bolts.
>>>
>>> The brakes themselves are pretty good, geometrically, aesthetically and 
>>> function-wise. Nice value.
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:54:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


  I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in 
 a jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the 
 stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic 
 ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called 
 one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since 
 the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best. 
 The wider one's are not better. 

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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[ted]

Michael,

I assume you have exhausted the adjustability afforded by the set screws 
the springs land on. In that case don't hesitate to unhook the spring from 
the brake arm and push it far enough to induce some plastic deformation. 
Then fine tune again with the set screws. It may take some iteration, and 
may count as a PITA for some folks, but I have been able to get mine to sit 
centered with the carrier centered and the brake cable running straight.

best of luck
Ted

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:25:04 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> When you say you haven't had any trouble, do you mean the brakes self 
> centered or you found a simple work around? What is it?
>
> I started with their hanger and then tossed it out and bought a Paul's 
> moon unit.  Same result - one brake rubs while the other sits far away. 
>  Putting one spring in the top hole on the post helped somewhat.   I 
> beginning to think the springs themselves must have a lot of variability.
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> Haven't had any troubles with them. As others have noted, I used a 
>> different hanger and Avid Tri-dangle straddles as opposed to the stock 
>> ones, as I found the small hex cable bolts easier to manage than the wrench 
>> bolts.
>>
>> The brakes themselves are pretty good, geometrically, aesthetically and 
>> function-wise. Nice value.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:54:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in 
>>> a jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the 
>>> stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic 
>>> ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called 
>>> one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since 
>>> the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best. 
>>> The wider one's are not better. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Robert Barr]

Michael - I am surprised at your problems with the 720s. My 720s set up
easier than any canti's I have used, and I bought them at the
recommendation of a friend that had just put them on two bikes.  I haven't
used Paul's, but compared to the Dia Compe and Shimano's that I have
experience with, the 720s were great. Self- centered with just a nudge as
Garth mentions, and then I tightened the carrier - never budged. My
experience may be unique, unlike a number of the comments you have
received, I like the adjustability of the Tektro carrier so much I bought
another set to see if they would held me adjust the always frustrating Dia
Compe's on my wife's MB3. They worked great. The diverse experiences of the
group with the 720s remind me again why we have the range of components
that we do - something for everyone. Good luck!


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> When you say you haven't had any trouble, do you mean the brakes self
> centered or you found a simple work around? What is it?
>
> I started with their hanger and then tossed it out and bought a Paul's
> moon unit.  Same result - one brake rubs while the other sits far away.
>  Putting one spring in the top hole on the post helped somewhat.   I
> beginning to think the springs themselves must have a lot of variability.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> Haven't had any troubles with them. As others have noted, I used a
>> different hanger and Avid Tri-dangle straddles as opposed to the stock
>> ones, as I found the small hex cable bolts easier to manage than the wrench
>> bolts.
>>
>> The brakes themselves are pretty good, geometrically, aesthetically and
>> function-wise. Nice value.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:54:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in
>>> a jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the
>>> stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic
>>> ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called
>>> one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since
>>> the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best.
>>> The wider one's are not better.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Michael]

>
> Just make sure that whatever you get can fit the tire/fender combo you 
> want.
>
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

I do agree with that.  My Bob Brown custom is a deep burgundy red with a
cream headtube.  It makes me smile whenever I look at it!


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Michael  wrote:

> If I had to choose between the two:
>>
>
> *Rambouillet...*
>
> *The thrill of a new bike may wear off, but a cream headtube lasts
> forever...*
>
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Michael]

>
> If I had to choose between the two:
>
 
*Rambouillet...*
 
*The thrill of a new bike may wear off, but a cream headtube lasts 
forever...*
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Michael]

>
> Yay,Patrick!
>
Glad you are out and about again!!!
Gorgeous shots, as always.Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Michael]

>
> A gentleman never tells...
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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Garth]

Here's what I mean about being slightly off center with the carrier .

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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Garth]

In using the regular ol' "cheap" straddle carriers, I've always found a 
nudge to the left or right works just fine and it stays in place , without 
the need for any thing to "lock" it into place, as the Tektro carriers do. 
My fav canti's are Original Deore BR-MC70, which have no tensioning at all, 
but using the "nudge" method they were always centered.  It doesn't matter 
if the carrier is off center to the left or right a little. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[cyclotourist]

I've considered just such a build!!! What is your saddle height if I
may be so bold?

On 10/13/13, Christian  wrote:
> Yes, it's a 54.  Set up now as a 29er.  It's a beefy bike!
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:29:50 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Christian, is that a 54cm Hunq? It looks like you're using it as intended!
>>
>>
>> On 10/13/13, Christian > wrote:
>> > Speaking of pics: I just posted some of yesterday's wet and long ride.
>> >  First time on the Maxxis 2.1 Crossmarks.  GREAT tires for wet and muddy
>> >
>> > riding as well as pavement--and they only cost me $2 at a swap.  They
>> fit
>> > the Hunq really well with room to spare.  Recommended.
>> >
>> > Happy riding.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/
>> >
>> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:04:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sharing the love, here are a few of the aspen that greeted me:
>> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10254043375/
>> >>
>> >> With abandon,
>> >> Patrick
>> >>
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[joe kelly]

hi
i think that it would be better to get the san marcos. given that you buy 
it from rivendell directly, your helping them stay in business. it can run 
fatter tires with fenders than the rambouillet too. all the qualities that 
the ram has in regards to resale, handling, beauty,etc. apply equally to 
the san marcos, i believe.
thanks
joe

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:52:01 PM UTC-4, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a 
> Bob Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also 
> have a Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a 
> bike to fit between these two models.
>
> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown 
> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and 
> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these 
> listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there 
> is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge 
> of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this 
> point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in 
> a new San Marcos?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Sean
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Christopher Chen]

Brian, you're always welcome, but first you'll have to decide what bike to
ride. :)

cc


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM, stonehog  wrote:

> Aaron - looks like a great ride!  So sad to have missed this one.  I was
> down that way a month ago for a camping trip, and the country surrounding
> The Dalles is gorgeous!
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a
>> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily
>> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were
>> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the
>> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and
>> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain
>> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an
>> equally steep descent.
>>
>> Highlights included:
>>
>> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is
>> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with
>> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>>
>> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with
>> fancy and tasty hot coffee
>>
>> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by
>> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>>
>> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>>
>> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Nick Worthington]

For what it's worth, I have an 87 PBH, and ride a 61 ROMulus.  Not an exact 
1-1 match, but very similar.  Rides really nice with GB Cypress, and just 
fits VO hammered fenders.  

Nick

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:21:33 PM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Steve, thanks for the link to the geometry chart.  Dan, I appreciate your 
> input also.  The way that I read the chart and Dan's comments, I am 
> probably best on a 60.  However, I don't know whether I am better off being 
> a bit big for a 58 or at the smallish end of a 60.  The 58 Rambo currently 
> available on ebay is certainly attractive.  I am really tempted to bid on 
> that one, but I hate to end up with a bike that is too small for me.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Kieran J]

Sounds like you need that 58 from eBay. She is a beauty :-)

KJ



On Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:52:01 PM UTC-4, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a 
> Bob Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also 
> have a Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a 
> bike to fit between these two models.
>
> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown 
> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and 
> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these 
> listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there 
> is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge 
> of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this 
> point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in 
> a new San Marcos?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Sean
>

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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Michael Hechmer]

When you say you haven't had any trouble, do you mean the brakes self 
centered or you found a simple work around? What is it?

I started with their hanger and then tossed it out and bought a Paul's moon 
unit.  Same result - one brake rubs while the other sits far away.  Putting 
one spring in the top hole on the post helped somewhat.   I beginning to 
think the springs themselves must have a lot of variability.

Michael

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Haven't had any troubles with them. As others have noted, I used a 
> different hanger and Avid Tri-dangle straddles as opposed to the stock 
> ones, as I found the small hex cable bolts easier to manage than the wrench 
> bolts.
>
> The brakes themselves are pretty good, geometrically, aesthetically and 
> function-wise. Nice value.
>
> KJ
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:54:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in a 
>> jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the 
>> stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic 
>> ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called 
>> one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since 
>> the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best. 
>> The wider one's are not better. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Aaron Young]

Brian,

It was a great ride. I hope you can make it to the next Wasco county ride.

-Aaron
The Dalles, OR

On Sunday, October 13, 2013, stonehog wrote:

> Aaron - looks like a great ride!  So sad to have missed this one.  I was
> down that way a month ago for a camping trip, and the country surrounding
> The Dalles is gorgeous!
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a
>> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily
>> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were
>> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the
>> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and
>> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain
>> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an
>> equally steep descent.
>>
>> Highlights included:
>>
>> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is
>> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with
>> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>>
>> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with
>> fancy and tasty hot coffee
>>
>> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by
>> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>>
>> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>>
>> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>>
>> Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Zack]

Was truly an amazing day.  Thanks to Aaron for scouting and hosting.  Also 
kudos to Andy, Chris, Shawn, and Tommy for photos which prove it happened. 
 What a blast!

The ride was challenging but not overwhelming, and there was an abundance 
of natural beauty to drink in throughout the day.  It was serene and silent 
as we rolled along if we weren't talking (or, in my case, talking and a bit 
of huffing and puffing).  Conversations, coffee, climbing, coasting, and a 
cemetery.  Great way to spend a Saturday.

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[cyclotourist]

The head tube is _probably_ longer, so that'll let you raise them up a
bit, at least to saddle height.

On 10/13/13, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> I appreciate your $.02.  The bike that I normally ride has the bars a few
> cm below the saddle.  This is probably one of the causes of the numbness
> that I have been having in my hands on longer rides.  I was just looking at
> the geometry charts.  My current bike has a top tube of 54 - the top tube
> of the Ram is 3cm longer.  Of course, the angles are a bit different on the
> bikes.
>
> In the grand scheme of things, when I look at the charts, a few centimeters
> does not seem like anything that cannot be adjusted by seats / seat posts
> and stems.  The 58 Rambo has a standover height of 82.1 versus 79.2 of my
> current bike.  This seems do-able
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM, cyclotourist
> wrote:
>
>> Sean, do you like bars at/above/below seat height? As long as it's
>> below or at, the smaller size should be fine. Then at worst you'll
>> have an extra 2cm of seat post and stem showing, along w/ a 2cm longer
>> stem. Everything else would be pretty much the same. If the 58cm ends
>> up being a bit too small, you would be able to re-sell it pretty
>> easily, and maybe even find a 60cm to trade straight over for.
>>
>> My $.02
>>
>> On 10/13/13, Sean McAtee  wrote:
>> > Steve, thanks for the link to the geometry chart.  Dan, I appreciate
>> > your
>> > input also.  The way that I read the chart and Dan's comments, I am
>> > probably best on a 60.  However, I don't know whether I am better off
>> being
>> > a bit big for a 58 or at the smallish end of a 60.  The 58 Rambo
>> currently
>> > available on ebay is certainly attractive.  I am really tempted to bid
>> > on
>> > that one, but I hate to end up with a bike that is too small for me.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Dan McNamara 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have a PBH of 84.5 and can ride my 58 Ram comfortably. I am 5'9".
>> >>
>> >> The stem is 6cm and there is about 9cm of seatpost showing (side of
>> >> tube
>> >> to rail).
>> >>
>> >> Seems like a 60 Ram would be a better bet. Just double checked the
>> >> brochure and the 60 was recommended for PBH 87-89 and heights of
>> >> 5'9"-6'1".
>> >>
>> >> The 58 is 5'7"-5'11" and PBH 84-86.
>> >>
>> >> A call to Riv is probably your best bet.
>> >>
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much
>> >> on
>> >> dirt - more long rides on the road.
>> >>
>> >> I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a
>> Rambouillet.
>> >> Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm
>> about
>> >> 5
>> >> foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  on a 58 Rambo or a
>> >> 60.
>> >>
>> >> Sean
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, cyclotourist
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
>> >>> dirt. None have slowed me down.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
>> >>> > I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is
>> >>> > fabulous.
>> >>> I
>> >>> > use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's
>> >>> Rack. I
>> >>> >
>> >>> > would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long
>> >>> > as
>> >>> > you
>> >>> > are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to
>> fit
>> >>> even
>> >>> >
>> >>> > a 28mm tire comfortably.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > KJ
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes
>> >>> >> while
>> >>> >> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the
>> >>> >> 38mm
>> >>> >> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires
>> >>> >> on
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my
>> >>> >> rides
>> >>> >> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which
>> >>> >> I
>> >>> >> wouldn't do on 28s.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos
>> would
>> >>> be
>> >>> >> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The
>> >>> frames
>> >>> >> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> near
>> >>> >> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some
>> >>> >> Grand
>> >>> >> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and
>> speed.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San
>> >>> >>> Marcos.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I'm 5'10''

[RBW] new tires for my Hunqapillar: 2.1x29 Maxxis Crossmark

[Christian]

Hi All, 

I posted this in another thread, but in the event that not everyone reads 
every reply to every thread I thought I'd post a new thread as everyone 
does like to hear about tires--or I do anyway. 

Speaking of pics: I just posted some of yesterday's wet and long ride. 
 First time on the Maxxis 2.1 Crossmarks.  GREAT tires for wet and muddy 
riding as well as pavement--and they only cost me $2 at a swap.  They fit 
the Hunq really well with room to spare.  Recommended. 

Happy riding.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/

Christian 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Christian]

Yes, it's a 54.  Set up now as a 29er.  It's a beefy bike! 

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:29:50 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Christian, is that a 54cm Hunq? It looks like you're using it as intended! 
>
> On 10/13/13, Christian > wrote: 
> > Speaking of pics: I just posted some of yesterday's wet and long ride. 
> >  First time on the Maxxis 2.1 Crossmarks.  GREAT tires for wet and muddy 
> > riding as well as pavement--and they only cost me $2 at a swap.  They 
> fit 
> > the Hunq really well with room to spare.  Recommended. 
> > 
> > Happy riding.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/ 
> > 
> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:04:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Sharing the love, here are a few of the aspen that greeted me: 
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10254043375/ 
> >> 
> >> With abandon, 
> >> Patrick 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Patrick Moore]

Before all else, you need to know what makes "good setup" for your body and
riding style. Peter Jon White has some good thoughts on bike setup, here:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm .

All elements of body type, condition, riding style, frame geometry work
together, and you can't make a general rule about any one element. There
have been those on this list for whom hand numbness was helped by
*lowering* their bars. Others find comfort with bar high above the saddle.

But look at PJW, particularly about saddle setback. Grant tipped me off to
a rearward saddle position back in ~ 1994, and it solved many of my
problems. There are two wonderful things about my Rivendells: first, the
way they handle. But second, and more important, even, is the way they
"fit".

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

I appreciate your $.02.  The bike that I normally ride has the bars a few
cm below the saddle.  This is probably one of the causes of the numbness
that I have been having in my hands on longer rides.  I was just looking at
the geometry charts.  My current bike has a top tube of 54 - the top tube
of the Ram is 3cm longer.  Of course, the angles are a bit different on the
bikes.

In the grand scheme of things, when I look at the charts, a few centimeters
does not seem like anything that cannot be adjusted by seats / seat posts
and stems.  The 58 Rambo has a standover height of 82.1 versus 79.2 of my
current bike.  This seems do-able


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Sean, do you like bars at/above/below seat height? As long as it's
> below or at, the smaller size should be fine. Then at worst you'll
> have an extra 2cm of seat post and stem showing, along w/ a 2cm longer
> stem. Everything else would be pretty much the same. If the 58cm ends
> up being a bit too small, you would be able to re-sell it pretty
> easily, and maybe even find a 60cm to trade straight over for.
>
> My $.02
>
> On 10/13/13, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> > Steve, thanks for the link to the geometry chart.  Dan, I appreciate your
> > input also.  The way that I read the chart and Dan's comments, I am
> > probably best on a 60.  However, I don't know whether I am better off
> being
> > a bit big for a 58 or at the smallish end of a 60.  The 58 Rambo
> currently
> > available on ebay is certainly attractive.  I am really tempted to bid on
> > that one, but I hate to end up with a bike that is too small for me.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Dan McNamara 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a PBH of 84.5 and can ride my 58 Ram comfortably. I am 5'9".
> >>
> >> The stem is 6cm and there is about 9cm of seatpost showing (side of tube
> >> to rail).
> >>
> >> Seems like a 60 Ram would be a better bet. Just double checked the
> >> brochure and the 60 was recommended for PBH 87-89 and heights of
> >> 5'9"-6'1".
> >>
> >> The 58 is 5'7"-5'11" and PBH 84-86.
> >>
> >> A call to Riv is probably your best bet.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> >>
> >> I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much on
> >> dirt - more long rides on the road.
> >>
> >> I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a
> Rambouillet.
> >> Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm
> about
> >> 5
> >> foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  on a 58 Rambo or a 60.
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, cyclotourist
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
> >>> dirt. None have slowed me down.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
> >>> > I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is
> >>> > fabulous.
> >>> I
> >>> > use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's
> >>> Rack. I
> >>> >
> >>> > would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as
> >>> > you
> >>> > are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to
> fit
> >>> even
> >>> >
> >>> > a 28mm tire comfortably.
> >>> >
> >>> > Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
> >>> >
> >>> > KJ
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes
> >>> >> while
> >>> >> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
> >>> >> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on
> >>> the
> >>> >> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
> >>> >> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
> >>> >> wouldn't do on 28s.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos
> would
> >>> be
> >>> >> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The
> >>> frames
> >>> >> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in
> >>> near
> >>> >> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some
> >>> >> Grand
> >>> >> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and
> speed.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San
> >>> >>> Marcos.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San
> Marcos
> >>> fits
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the
> >>> >>> San
> >>> >>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras"
> >>> >>> like
> >>> >>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead sol

Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[cyclotourist]

Christian, is that a 54cm Hunq? It looks like you're using it as intended!

On 10/13/13, Christian  wrote:
> Speaking of pics: I just posted some of yesterday's wet and long ride.
>  First time on the Maxxis 2.1 Crossmarks.  GREAT tires for wet and muddy
> riding as well as pavement--and they only cost me $2 at a swap.  They fit
> the Hunq really well with room to spare.  Recommended.
>
> Happy riding.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:04:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Sharing the love, here are a few of the aspen that greeted me:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10254043375/
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[cyclotourist]

Sean, do you like bars at/above/below seat height? As long as it's
below or at, the smaller size should be fine. Then at worst you'll
have an extra 2cm of seat post and stem showing, along w/ a 2cm longer
stem. Everything else would be pretty much the same. If the 58cm ends
up being a bit too small, you would be able to re-sell it pretty
easily, and maybe even find a 60cm to trade straight over for.

My $.02

On 10/13/13, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> Steve, thanks for the link to the geometry chart.  Dan, I appreciate your
> input also.  The way that I read the chart and Dan's comments, I am
> probably best on a 60.  However, I don't know whether I am better off being
> a bit big for a 58 or at the smallish end of a 60.  The 58 Rambo currently
> available on ebay is certainly attractive.  I am really tempted to bid on
> that one, but I hate to end up with a bike that is too small for me.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Dan McNamara  wrote:
>
>> I have a PBH of 84.5 and can ride my 58 Ram comfortably. I am 5'9".
>>
>> The stem is 6cm and there is about 9cm of seatpost showing (side of tube
>> to rail).
>>
>> Seems like a 60 Ram would be a better bet. Just double checked the
>> brochure and the 60 was recommended for PBH 87-89 and heights of
>> 5'9"-6'1".
>>
>> The 58 is 5'7"-5'11" and PBH 84-86.
>>
>> A call to Riv is probably your best bet.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
>>
>> I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much on
>> dirt - more long rides on the road.
>>
>> I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a Rambouillet.
>> Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm about
>> 5
>> foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  on a 58 Rambo or a 60.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, cyclotourist
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
>>> dirt. None have slowed me down.
>>>
>>> On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
>>> > I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is
>>> > fabulous.
>>> I
>>> > use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's
>>> Rack. I
>>> >
>>> > would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as
>>> > you
>>> > are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to fit
>>> even
>>> >
>>> > a 28mm tire comfortably.
>>> >
>>> > Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
>>> >
>>> > KJ
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes
>>> >> while
>>> >> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
>>> >> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on
>>> the
>>> >> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
>>> >> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
>>> >> wouldn't do on 28s.
>>> >>
>>> >> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would
>>> be
>>> >> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The
>>> frames
>>> >> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in
>>> near
>>> >> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some
>>> >> Grand
>>> >> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San
>>> >>> Marcos.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos
>>> fits
>>> >>>
>>> >>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the
>>> >>> San
>>> >>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras"
>>> >>> like
>>> >>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet,
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> me,
>>> >>> was a touch twitchy.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand."
>>> >>>
>>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

Steve, thanks for the link to the geometry chart.  Dan, I appreciate your
input also.  The way that I read the chart and Dan's comments, I am
probably best on a 60.  However, I don't know whether I am better off being
a bit big for a 58 or at the smallish end of a 60.  The 58 Rambo currently
available on ebay is certainly attractive.  I am really tempted to bid on
that one, but I hate to end up with a bike that is too small for me.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> I have a PBH of 84.5 and can ride my 58 Ram comfortably. I am 5'9".
>
> The stem is 6cm and there is about 9cm of seatpost showing (side of tube
> to rail).
>
> Seems like a 60 Ram would be a better bet. Just double checked the
> brochure and the 60 was recommended for PBH 87-89 and heights of 5'9"-6'1".
>
> The 58 is 5'7"-5'11" and PBH 84-86.
>
> A call to Riv is probably your best bet.
>
> Dan
>
> On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
>
> I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much on
> dirt - more long rides on the road.
>
> I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a Rambouillet.
> Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm about 5
> foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  on a 58 Rambo or a 60.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
>> dirt. None have slowed me down.
>>
>> On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
>> > I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is fabulous.
>> I
>> > use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's
>> Rack. I
>> >
>> > would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as you
>> > are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to fit
>> even
>> >
>> > a 28mm tire comfortably.
>> >
>> > Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
>> >
>> > KJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while
>> >> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
>> >> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on
>> the
>> >> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
>> >> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
>> >> wouldn't do on 28s.
>> >>
>> >> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would
>> be
>> >> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The
>> frames
>> >> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in
>> near
>> >> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand
>> >> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos
>> fits
>> >>>
>> >>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San
>> >>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like
>> >>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for
>> >>> me,
>> >>> was a touch twitchy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand."
>> >>>
>> >>
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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Christian]

Speaking of pics: I just posted some of yesterday's wet and long ride. 
 First time on the Maxxis 2.1 Crossmarks.  GREAT tires for wet and muddy 
riding as well as pavement--and they only cost me $2 at a swap.  They fit 
the Hunq really well with room to spare.  Recommended. 

Happy riding.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:04:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Sharing the love, here are a few of the aspen that greeted me:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10254043375/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/13/2013 06:56 PM, Dan McNamara wrote:

I have a PBH of 84.5 and can ride my 58 Ram comfortably. I am 5'9".

The stem is 6cm and there is about 9cm of seatpost showing (side of 
tube to rail).


Seems like a 60 Ram would be a better bet. Just double checked the 
brochure and the 60 was recommended for PBH 87-89 and heights of 
5'9"-6'1".


The 58 is 5'7"-5'11" and PBH 84-86.

A call to Riv is probably your best bet.




The two dimensions you really have to worry about are standover and top 
tube length, in that being way off on either of those can really mess 
things up.  People are built very differently: some with long 
legs/torsos have short arms, and some with short legs/torsos have long 
arms.   PBH by itself may give you the standover (as, of course, would a 
direct standover measurement) but it won't help with the reach.



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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Kieran J]

Haven't had any troubles with them. As others have noted, I used a 
different hanger and Avid Tri-dangle straddles as opposed to the stock 
ones, as I found the small hex cable bolts easier to manage than the wrench 
bolts.

The brakes themselves are pretty good, geometrically, aesthetically and 
function-wise. Nice value.

KJ



On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:54:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in a 
> jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the 
> stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic 
> ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called 
> one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since 
> the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best. 
> The wider one's are not better. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Dan McNamara]

I have a PBH of 84.5 and can ride my 58 Ram comfortably. I am 5'9". 

The stem is 6cm and there is about 9cm of seatpost showing (side of tube to 
rail).

Seems like a 60 Ram would be a better bet. Just double checked the brochure and 
the 60 was recommended for PBH 87-89 and heights of 5'9"-6'1". 

The 58 is 5'7"-5'11" and PBH 84-86. 

A call to Riv is probably your best bet. 

Dan

> On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> 
> I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much on dirt 
> - more long rides on the road.  
> 
> I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a Rambouillet.  
> Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm about 5 
> foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  on a 58 Rambo or a 60.  
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
>> dirt. None have slowed me down.
>> 
>> On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
>> > I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is fabulous. I
>> > use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's Rack. I
>> >
>> > would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as you
>> > are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to fit even
>> >
>> > a 28mm tire comfortably.
>> >
>> > Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
>> >
>> > KJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while
>> >> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
>> >> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on the
>> >> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
>> >> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
>> >> wouldn't do on 28s.
>> >>
>> >> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would be
>> >> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The frames
>> >> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in near
>> >> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand
>> >> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos fits
>> >>>
>> >>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San
>> >>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like
>> >>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for
>> >>> me,
>> >>> was a touch twitchy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand."
>> >>>
>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Patrick Moore]

I don't know from my PBH, but I am 5'10" with a looong torso and fit a 58
Ram just fine with 9 cm stem holding 42 cm Noodles (have sweepback)
1-1/2-to-2 cm below saddle.

If I were taller, I'd consider a 60, though only if my arms were longer,
too, since my size 33 sleeves don't like ttt's much longer than 57 cm.

Wunnerful bike, the Ram. It's a bit more sedate than my 3 customs, and IMO
much nicer handling on pavement than the Sam. "Sedate": I can more easily
sit up on a 30+ mph downhill, take one hand off the bar, and twist to look
behind me -- no commotion, no worries, no anxiety. My customs are a bit
quicker, I think, tho' I wonder if that is the 559 and very light wheels.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:

> I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much on
> dirt - more long rides on the road.
>
> I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a Rambouillet.
> Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm about 5
> foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  on a 58 Rambo or a 60.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
>> dirt. None have slowed me down.
>>
>> On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
>> > I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is fabulous.
>> I
>> > use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's
>> Rack. I
>> >
>> > would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as you
>> > are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to fit
>> even
>> >
>> > a 28mm tire comfortably.
>> >
>> > Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
>> >
>> > KJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while
>> >> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
>> >> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on
>> the
>> >> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
>> >> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
>> >> wouldn't do on 28s.
>> >>
>> >> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would
>> be
>> >> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The
>> frames
>> >> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in
>> near
>> >> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand
>> >> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos
>> fits
>> >>>
>> >>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San
>> >>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like
>> >>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for
>> >>> me,
>> >>> was a touch twitchy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand."
>> >>>
>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/13/2013 06:29 PM, Sean McAtee wrote:
I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much 
on dirt - more long rides on the road.


I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a 
Rambouillet.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 
and 87 (I'm about 5 foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  
on a 58 Rambo or a 60.


http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html


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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

I do appreciate all of the comments.  I don't anticipate riding much on
dirt - more long rides on the road.

I am looking for some help with sizing - especially sizing a Rambouillet.
Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm about 5
foot 11).  I'm not sure whether I would do best  on a 58 Rambo or a 60.

Sean


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
> dirt. None have slowed me down.
>
> On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
> > I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is fabulous. I
> > use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's
> Rack. I
> >
> > would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as you
> > are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to fit
> even
> >
> > a 28mm tire comfortably.
> >
> > Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
> >
> > KJ
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while
> >> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
> >> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on the
> >> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
> >> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
> >> wouldn't do on 28s.
> >>
> >> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would be
> >> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The frames
> >> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
> >>
> >> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in near
> >> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand
> >> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
> >>>
> >>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos
> fits
> >>>
> >>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
> >>>
> >>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San
> >>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like
> >>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for
> >>> me,
> >>> was a touch twitchy.
> >>>
> >>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand."
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[cyclotourist]

Jack Browns, GB Cypres, or Challenge Eroica all do great on hard-pack
dirt. None have slowed me down.

On 10/13/13, Kieran J  wrote:
> I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is fabulous. I
> use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's Rack. I
>
> would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as you
> are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to fit even
>
> a 28mm tire comfortably.
>
> Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.
>
> KJ
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>
>> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while
>> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
>> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on the
>> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
>> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
>> wouldn't do on 28s.
>>
>> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would be
>> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The frames
>> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>>
>> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in near
>> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand
>> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
>>>
>>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos fits
>>>
>>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>>>
>>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San
>>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like
>>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for
>>> me,
>>> was a touch twitchy.
>>>
>>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand."
>>>
>>
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[RBW] PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

[Christopher Chen]

 Reminder: Sunrise Coffee Club PDX tomorrow, dep Vera Katz statue 6:45, or
meet us, Mt Tabor Summit, sunrise 7:26. #coffeeoutside #justride

I'll have coffee kit, and I should have enough beans, water, and fuel for a
few people.

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Kieran J]

I'm on a tall Ram with the Jack Brown Greens, and the ride is fabulous. I 
use a small saddlebag, and sometimes add a Loafer bag on the Mark's Rack. I 
would recommend 700x30 or 32 (or 33.33) with the Ram, as long as you 
are not planning on fenders. With Berthoud fenders, I struggled to fit even 
a 28mm tire comfortably.

Not sure what the fender clearance is for the San Marcos.

KJ



On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:29:09 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while 
> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm 
> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on the 
> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides 
> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I 
> wouldn't do on 28s.
>
> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would be 
> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The frames 
> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>
> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in near 
> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand 
> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
>>  
>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos fits 
>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>>  
>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San 
>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like 
>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for me, 
>> was a touch twitchy. 
>>  
>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand." 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Dave Johnston]

I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while the 
Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm Parimoto 
650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on the Ram just 
feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides involves some 
dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I wouldn't do on 28s.

OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would be 
650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The frames 
were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.

I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in near 
perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand 
Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.



On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>
> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
>  
> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos fits 
> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>  
> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San 
> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like 
> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for me, 
> was a touch twitchy. 
>  
> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand." 
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Big Paulie]

I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
 
I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos fits 
me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
 
I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San 
Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like 
fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for me, 
was a touch twitchy. 
 
Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand." 

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[cyclotourist]

It's one of three really nice Rivendells fs at the moment. That blue
Ram sure is pretty though!

On 10/13/13, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> I've had my eye on that since it was listed.  It has already cost me
> several hours of "research" on the internet!
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM, cyclotourist
> wrote:
>
>> Here's a 58cm looking for a new home:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331040514123
>>
>> On 10/13/13, Eric Daume  wrote:
>> > At your size, I think all the San Marcos frames are double top tubers.
>> That
>> > makes the decision for a Ram easy for me.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Sean McAtee 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks for all of your responses.  I must admit, I'm not terribly
>> shocked
>> >> that the Rambo is considered the way for me to go.
>> >>
>> >> Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said.  What made you sell the
>> >> AHH
>> >> in favor of a Rambo?  I'm curious because another option that I have
>> >> considered is saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH.
>> >>
>> >> Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too
>> >> small for me.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86
>> >> and
>> >> 87 (I'm about 5 foot 11).  Based on those measurements I would be best
>> >> fit
>> >> on at least a 58 Rambo - perhaps even a 60.
>> >>
>> >> By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I
>> would
>> >> be curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a
>> 58
>> >> or a 60?
>> >>
>> >> Sean
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, bo richardson 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having
>> >>> had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on
>> >>> the
>> >>> side of rhe Rambouillet.
>> >>>
>> >>>  My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
>> >>> I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets
>> >>>
>> >>> Self interest notice
>> >>> I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a
>> >>> green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a
>> >>> confluence of interet.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> Bo Richardson
>> >>> Bellingham Wa
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[cyclotourist]

I don't know, that's not much time considering how much work would be
involved!!!

On 10/12/13, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
> A well directed post. Maybe with a great deal of time, effort and expense
> such a  bicycle would be some what ready to ride by March 15 2014.
>
> Curtis "Redlands" McKenzie
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Yes, a very old antique bike, bound to have lots of issues. Probably
>> rusted out internally. Jagged exposed metal can give you tetanus,
>> which is awful. I'm sure it will need a re-paint as well, never mind
>> the original lead-based paint that will cause developmental delays in
>> children.. Very unsafe for you or a loved one to even have in the
>> garage.
>>
>> Yes, move right along, nothing to see here folks...
>>
>> On 10/12/13, Steve > wrote:
>> > Should be interesting what it sells for.  However, it is almost a 20
>> > year
>> > old bike with a mix of nice (Paul, Phil) and ok (Shimano) components ,
>> and
>> > being a mixtie, and a large size to boot, probably limits its appeal to
>> > fans of Rivendell only.  Who know, the market may go crazy and bid it
>> > up.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:57:10 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, I can easily see why that bike is 2K. It has paul centerpull
>> brakes
>> >>
>> >> and wheels with phil wood cassette hubs. That stuff aint cheap.
>> >>
>> >> My bet is that the bike sells for more than the 2k BIN price.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:01:25 AM UTC-5, Charlie wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I agree the bike looks awkward - replace the stem with a dirt drop
>> >>> and
>> it
>> >>>
>> >>> would look better.  I suspect the owner was real tall.
>> >>>
>> >>> Grant has said he would build this frame for $3000 since he still has
>> >>> lugs.  Add in the components and replacement cost is $5500+.  To
>> >>> those
>> >>> who
>> >>> expressed concerned that I post this and didn't buy it when the BIN
>> >>> was
>> >>> 2000, I say what were you thinking?
>> >>>
>> >>> Charlie
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>> 
>>  This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show
>> up -
>> 
>>  might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>> 
>>  In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good
>>  equipment on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no
>>  association
>>  with seller.
>> 
>>  Charlie
>> 
>>  Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are
>>  permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find
>>  though.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Ken Mattina]

Never is a word I seldom use, but I would never buy a bike with a double
top tube.  Well if I was 7 feet tall maybe.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> At your size, I think all the San Marcos frames are double top tubers.
> That makes the decision for a Ram easy for me.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of your responses.  I must admit, I'm not terribly shocked
>> that the Rambo is considered the way for me to go.
>>
>> Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said.  What made you sell the
>> AHH in favor of a Rambo?  I'm curious because another option that I have
>> considered is saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH.
>>
>> Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too
>> small for me.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and
>> 87 (I'm about 5 foot 11).  Based on those measurements I would be best fit
>> on at least a 58 Rambo - perhaps even a 60.
>>
>> By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I would
>> be curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a 58
>> or a 60?
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, bo richardson wrote:
>>
>>>  having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having
>>> had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the
>>> side of rhe Rambouillet.
>>>
>>>  My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
>>> I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets
>>>
>>> Self interest notice
>>> I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a
>>> green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a
>>> confluence of interet.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Bo Richardson
>>> Bellingham Wa
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[RBW] Re: Off pavement riding

[Bartthebikeman]

I don't believe there is any penalty at all.
Based on my experience on the road I'd be surprised if any tyres at all 
rolled faster than FF on dirt/gravel...


On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:20:51 AM UTC+1, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> ...Why settle for nasty, skinny 40-somethings when you can ride plush 
> 50-somethings with very little speed penalty?...
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Curtis McKenzie]

A well directed post. Maybe with a great deal of time, effort and expense
such a  bicycle would be some what ready to ride by March 15 2014.

Curtis "Redlands" McKenzie

On Saturday, October 12, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:

> Yes, a very old antique bike, bound to have lots of issues. Probably
> rusted out internally. Jagged exposed metal can give you tetanus,
> which is awful. I'm sure it will need a re-paint as well, never mind
> the original lead-based paint that will cause developmental delays in
> children.. Very unsafe for you or a loved one to even have in the
> garage.
>
> Yes, move right along, nothing to see here folks...
>
> On 10/12/13, Steve > wrote:
> > Should be interesting what it sells for.  However, it is almost a 20 year
> > old bike with a mix of nice (Paul, Phil) and ok (Shimano) components ,
> and
> > being a mixtie, and a large size to boot, probably limits its appeal to
> > fans of Rivendell only.  Who know, the market may go crazy and bid it up.
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:57:10 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, I can easily see why that bike is 2K. It has paul centerpull
> brakes
> >>
> >> and wheels with phil wood cassette hubs. That stuff aint cheap.
> >>
> >> My bet is that the bike sells for more than the 2k BIN price.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:01:25 AM UTC-5, Charlie wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree the bike looks awkward - replace the stem with a dirt drop and
> it
> >>>
> >>> would look better.  I suspect the owner was real tall.
> >>>
> >>> Grant has said he would build this frame for $3000 since he still has
> >>> lugs.  Add in the components and replacement cost is $5500+.  To those
> >>> who
> >>> expressed concerned that I post this and didn't buy it when the BIN was
> >>> 2000, I say what were you thinking?
> >>>
> >>> Charlie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
> 
>  This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show
> up -
> 
>  might have used an incorrect Google ID.
> 
>  In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good
>  equipment on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no
>  association
>  with seller.
> 
>  Charlie
> 
>  Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are
>  permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Need low-down on dyno hubs/lights please.

[samwell187]

I've used two different hubs. The first was a SRAM iLight 3W system that 
was great, powerful, cheap, and completely undetectable as far as drag or 
shudder. The second (my current one) is a Shimano DH3N72 -- marginally more 
expensive, no difference I can tell in power output, but more shuddery at 
high speeds.

As far as power, I think you'd be happy with any of the current upper level 
hubs unless you're doing aggressive night-time single track.

-Sam
Chicago

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:56:00 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> What types are there?
> Do they cause drag? Or have they overcome that with newer technology?
>  
> I want something that has zero drag if such a thing exists, and more than 
> 800 lumens. Am I dreaming?
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[RBW] Re: Off-pavement riding

[Daniel D.]

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[RBW] Re: FS: VO Rando frame and assorted parts

[Sky Coulter]

Hi Steve,

I'd love to see some photos of the rando frameset. I'm trying to convince 
myself that another build makes complete sense.

thanks,

Sky

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:42:51 PM UTC-7, SJB wrote:
>
> My riding is taking me down a different path, hence I have several items 
> from a VO Rando build for sale.
>
> VO Gran Cru stem, 1 inch, quill stem, chrome plated, 120mm, -17 degrees, 
> excellent condition- $60, shipped
> More details here: 
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...uill-stem.html
>
> VO Randonneur front rack- polished stainless steel, excellent condition- 
> $50, shipped
> It's this one: 
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...ess-steel.html
>
> Nitto Noodle handlebars- 44cm, perfect except for some minor scratches on 
> on the Nitto insignia- $45 shipped
>
> Tektro 556 brakeset- long reach, $35 shipped
>
> 59cm VO Rando frame- a beautiful blue, some minor scratches/scuffs, but NO 
> dents or dings. Includes a VO Gran Cru mirror finish headset and decaleur 
> installed. $375 plus shipping
>
> Email me for pictures
>
> -Steve
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[stonehog]

Aaron - looks like a great ride!  So sad to have missed this one.  I was 
down that way a month ago for a camping trip, and the country surrounding 
The Dalles is gorgeous!

Brian 
Seattle, WA 

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:40:31 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a 
> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily 
> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were 
> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the 
> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and 
> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain 
> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an 
> equally steep descent. 
>
> Highlights included:
>
> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is 
> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with 
> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>
> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with fancy 
> and tasty hot coffee
>
> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by 
> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>
> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>
> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

I've had my eye on that since it was listed.  It has already cost me
several hours of "research" on the internet!

Sean


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Here's a 58cm looking for a new home: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331040514123
>
> On 10/13/13, Eric Daume  wrote:
> > At your size, I think all the San Marcos frames are double top tubers.
> That
> > makes the decision for a Ram easy for me.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for all of your responses.  I must admit, I'm not terribly
> shocked
> >> that the Rambo is considered the way for me to go.
> >>
> >> Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said.  What made you sell the
> >> AHH
> >> in favor of a Rambo?  I'm curious because another option that I have
> >> considered is saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH.
> >>
> >> Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too
> >> small for me.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86
> >> and
> >> 87 (I'm about 5 foot 11).  Based on those measurements I would be best
> >> fit
> >> on at least a 58 Rambo - perhaps even a 60.
> >>
> >> By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I
> would
> >> be curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a
> 58
> >> or a 60?
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, bo richardson 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having
> >>> had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the
> >>> side of rhe Rambouillet.
> >>>
> >>>  My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
> >>> I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets
> >>>
> >>> Self interest notice
> >>> I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a
> >>> green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a
> >>> confluence of interet.
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Bo Richardson
> >>> Bellingham Wa
> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

I tend to agree, Eric.  Still not sure if a 58 Rambo is the right size for
me.  When I got fit for my Bob Brown custom, by a local guy using the
Serotta system, I ended up with a bike that measures 56.2 to the center of
the seat tube at a top tube length of 54.  This bike is great for rides up
to about two hours.  Beyond that time I end up with a sore back and numb
hands.  Therefore, I am looking for a bike that will be more useful /
comfortable on longer rides.  I've lusted after a Rivendell for years, but
never had the cash to buy one.  Now that cash is still a bit of a struggle,
but I feel like I am in a position to pull the trigger if I get the right
deal.  Since Buffalo, NY is a long way from Riv's world headquarters, I
have no real opportunity to get sized by someone at Riv.  Thus, I waver on
what size would be best for me.


Sean


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> At your size, I think all the San Marcos frames are double top tubers.
> That makes the decision for a Ram easy for me.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of your responses.  I must admit, I'm not terribly shocked
>> that the Rambo is considered the way for me to go.
>>
>> Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said.  What made you sell the
>> AHH in favor of a Rambo?  I'm curious because another option that I have
>> considered is saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH.
>>
>> Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too
>> small for me.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and
>> 87 (I'm about 5 foot 11).  Based on those measurements I would be best fit
>> on at least a 58 Rambo - perhaps even a 60.
>>
>> By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I would
>> be curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a 58
>> or a 60?
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, bo richardson wrote:
>>
>>>  having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having
>>> had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the
>>> side of rhe Rambouillet.
>>>
>>>  My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
>>> I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets
>>>
>>> Self interest notice
>>> I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a
>>> green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a
>>> confluence of interet.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Bo Richardson
>>> Bellingham Wa
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[cyclotourist]

Here's a 58cm looking for a new home: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331040514123

On 10/13/13, Eric Daume  wrote:
> At your size, I think all the San Marcos frames are double top tubers. That
> makes the decision for a Ram easy for me.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of your responses.  I must admit, I'm not terribly shocked
>> that the Rambo is considered the way for me to go.
>>
>> Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said.  What made you sell the
>> AHH
>> in favor of a Rambo?  I'm curious because another option that I have
>> considered is saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH.
>>
>> Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too
>> small for me.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86
>> and
>> 87 (I'm about 5 foot 11).  Based on those measurements I would be best
>> fit
>> on at least a 58 Rambo - perhaps even a 60.
>>
>> By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I would
>> be curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a 58
>> or a 60?
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, bo richardson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having
>>> had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the
>>> side of rhe Rambouillet.
>>>
>>>  My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
>>> I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets
>>>
>>> Self interest notice
>>> I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a
>>> green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a
>>> confluence of interet.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Bo Richardson
>>> Bellingham Wa
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Eric Daume]

At your size, I think all the San Marcos frames are double top tubers. That
makes the decision for a Ram easy for me.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Sean McAtee  wrote:

> Thanks for all of your responses.  I must admit, I'm not terribly shocked
> that the Rambo is considered the way for me to go.
>
> Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said.  What made you sell the AHH
> in favor of a Rambo?  I'm curious because another option that I have
> considered is saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH.
>
> Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too
> small for me.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and
> 87 (I'm about 5 foot 11).  Based on those measurements I would be best fit
> on at least a 58 Rambo - perhaps even a 60.
>
> By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I would
> be curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a 58
> or a 60?
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, bo richardson  wrote:
>
>> having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having
>> had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the
>> side of rhe Rambouillet.
>>
>>  My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
>> I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets
>>
>> Self interest notice
>> I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a
>> green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a
>> confluence of interet.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Bo Richardson
>> Bellingham Wa
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

Thanks for all of your responses.  I must admit, I'm not terribly shocked
that the Rambo is considered the way for me to go.

Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said.  What made you sell the AHH
in favor of a Rambo?  I'm curious because another option that I have
considered is saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH.

Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too small
for me.  Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87
(I'm about 5 foot 11).  Based on those measurements I would be best fit on
at least a 58 Rambo - perhaps even a 60.

By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I would
be curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a 58
or a 60?

Sean


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> having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having
> had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the
> side of rhe Rambouillet.
>
>  My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
> I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets
>
> Self interest notice
> I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a
> green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a
> confluence of interet.
>
> thanks
>
> Bo Richardson
> Bellingham Wa
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Re: [RBW] Re: Schwalbe Land Cruiser HS 307

[dougP]

The current rear tire on my Atlantis is a 700 x 45 Marathon Touring Plus, 
which weighs in at 1,070 grams of solid German (actually Indonesian) rubber 
& steel.  I've got my order in at Ocean Air for a pair of the new Soma 
C-line 700 x 38s & look forward to their arrival.  Meanwhile, I'll take my 
punishment for managing to destroy a nearly new Supreme.  

dougP

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 7:52:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Almost a kilo in weight for a 26" tire... sounds like punishment for 
> not putting your toys away. 
>
> On 10/12/13, dougP > wrote: 
> > A Schwalbe tire for under $30?  Whoddu thunk?  With the Marathon Mondial 
> at 
> > 
> > pennies shy of $90, seems like worth a try.  They look aggressive enough 
> > for off-road so even if they don't work out as an all rounder, you can 
> use 
> > them on Mendenhall & any of David's rides :-).  One thing about Schwalbe 
> is 
> > 
> > they have so many choices that one of them is bound to work. 
> > 
> > dougP 
> > 
> > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:04:34 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Anyone out there try these?  Schwalbe claims: Trekking Cruiser. Quiet 
> on 
> >> pavement, yet off-road its diamond textured side lugs still afford 
> plenty 
> >> 
> >> of grip. 
> >> 
> >> http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/land_cruiser 
> >> 
> >> They have Kevlar Guard and a  26 x 2.0 weighs 910 g. Seems like a good 
> all 
> >> 
> >> round tire with decent flat protection and fair rolling capabilities, 
> they 
> >> 
> >> have so many it's hard to make a decision. Help! 
> >> 
> >> ~Hugh 
> >> 
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Shawn Granton]

Yes, to all of the above. A great ride yesterday. Thanks, everyone, 
especially Aaron, for making it happen!

Finally got my photos sorted, tagged, uploaded, and all that biz. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/sets/72157636502704955/

Should have a ride report via blog in the next few days.

yours,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[cyclotourist]

I've created a flickr group to highlight the best the route has to
offer: http://www.flickr.com/groups/redlands-strada-rossa/

But even the less-photogenic portions of the route are still pretty darn nice!

And you should subscribe to the blog via email, just to stay on the
cutting edge of info!
http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/


On 10/11/13, hsmitham  wrote:
> The Date is in the Calendar. Looking forward to it. Keep a tent spot open
> for me as it's a long drive home and I'll be enjoying the post ride
> activities.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle
>> Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides!
>>
>> I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople.
>> They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is
>> the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of
>> the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San
>> Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks.
>>
>> I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are
>> happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area.
>>
>> So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this:
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Some locals and I are trying to put on an "organized" ride, that shows
>> the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people
>> on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads.
>> Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this
>> links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just
>> about 100km.
>>
>> A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no
>> chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but
>> 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie.
>>
>> The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing
>> devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll
>> be good people on a good route.
>>
>> And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity.
>> Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party
>> hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a
>> donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them
>> out, but again, that's not the point of the ride.
>>
>> So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be
>> great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe
>> hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of
>> Victorian, Arts & Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others
>> that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing.
>>
>> Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd
>> mention that!
>>
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>>
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>>
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[RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[bo richardson]

having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis  and having 
had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the 
side of rhe Rambouillet.

 My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine.
I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets

Self interest notice
I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a 
green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a 
confluence of interet.

thanks

Bo Richardson
Bellingham Wa

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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Deacon Patrick]

Sharing the love, here are a few of the aspen that greeted me:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10254043375/

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[BSWP]

My father made me some flat redwood fenders, three-ply laminate from thin 
strips he cut on a bandsaw. I'll be installing them for this coming rainy 
season. One thing I intend to do, just a crazy idea, is scrape/carve a 
shallow groove on the inside face, just in from the edge of the fenders, on 
the idea that the groove will help collect water spray and guide the water 
to the ends of the fender. Who knows... this might not work at all. I'll 
report back in the spring.

http://diesel.smugmug.com/Bici/Redwood-Fenders

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[cyclotourist]

I would say Ram, as I'm a Riv fanboy, not a SOMA one. Ram's are
getting fewer and further in between, I'd get one if you see one in
your size (don't settle for a poor fitting bike!).

On 10/13/13, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> either should be great.  the tiebreaker should probably how you want it to
> fit.  Rambu has a nearly level top tube and the san marcos has a lot of
> upslope.
>
> another tiebreaker may come if you are in a size that would mean different
> wheelsizes between the two.
>
> finally there's just how patient you are willing to be
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:52:01 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a
>> Bob Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also
>> have a Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a
>> bike to fit between these two models.
>>
>> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown
>>
>> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and
>>
>> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these
>> listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there
>>
>> is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and
>> headbadge
>> of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At
>> this
>> point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900
>> in
>> a new San Marcos?
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>> Sean
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Bill Lindsay]

either should be great.  the tiebreaker should probably how you want it to 
fit.  Rambu has a nearly level top tube and the san marcos has a lot of 
upslope.  

another tiebreaker may come if you are in a size that would mean different 
wheelsizes between the two.  

finally there's just how patient you are willing to be

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:52:01 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a 
> Bob Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also 
> have a Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a 
> bike to fit between these two models.
>
> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown 
> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and 
> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these 
> listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there 
> is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge 
> of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this 
> point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in 
> a new San Marcos?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Sean
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Patrick Moore]

Wouldn't the Ram be a 2000--2500 dollar frame if still made and sold today?
I would immediately choose a nice condition Ram, as I was lucky to do a
year ago.

At any rate, it's a very classy bike and in my garage fits a niche very
like that you are trying to fill.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM, SeanMac  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a
> Bob Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also
> have a Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a
> bike to fit between these two models.
>
> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown
> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and
> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these
> listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there
> is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge
> of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this
> point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in
> a new San Marcos?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Sean
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Christopher Chen]

Hooray!


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Thanks, Michael. It's simply life with a bludgeoned brain. It's normal
> (for me). Back in the saddle today, so hopefully immune to all things that
> mess me up. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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>> Hi Patrick,
>>>
>> Hope you can get back in the saddle soon. Hope everything is ok.
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[RBW] FS: Ortlieb Packer Plus Panniers.

[Patrick Moore]

1. Pair Red Ortlieb Bike Packer Plus panniers WITH add on rear
compartments, $125/pair shipped CONUS.

These are the model with the waterproof vinyl interior lining.

Or trade for a pair of the Roller model, Plus or not.

They are in good condition, having been used only for about town errands.
Extender neck, dual drawstrings, mesh pockets, reflective bits on the rear.
One of these last is a bit scuffed, and the plastic backing at the rear is
scuffed, but there are no tears of scuffs on the fabric.


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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Michael. It's simply life with a bludgeoned brain. It's normal (for 
me). Back in the saddle today, so hopefully immune to all things that mess 
me up. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Hi Patrick,
>>
> Hope you can get back in the saddle soon. Hope everything is ok. 
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[RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[SeanMac]

Hi everyone,

I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a Bob 
Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also have a 
Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a bike to 
fit between these two models.

Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown 
instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and 
then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these 
listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there 
is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge 
of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this 
point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in 
a new San Marcos?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Sean

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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[hsmitham]

Dbl Ditto :-)

~Hugh

On Friday, October 11, 2013 7:45:21 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Ditto. 

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Romulus In Sacramento?

[Michael]

>
> stolen Romulus = time for new Hilsen!!
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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Michael]

>
> Hi Patrick,
>
Hope you can get back in the saddle soon. Hope everything is ok. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: An absurd amount of Riv stuff in SF Bay Area

[rcnute]

A man of great taste!  I like the look of those Atlantii a lot.  Good luck.

Ryan

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:04:39 PM UTC-7, jose wrote:
>
> I'm moving to a place with minimal space for my raging bike habit, and now 
> I must clean out the absurd amount of stuff I've amassed over the years, 
> namely two Atlantises. I'd prefer to sell locally, in the SF Bay Area.
>
> Here's a link with all the stuff:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/bia?query=jbikes
>
> Thanks, J.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic!
>
>
With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Bob. I got out this morning for a wondrous 4 mile ride through 
golden aspen lined mountain road, a wee run, and pipe. It sure feels good 
to get out again!

It's a funny thing, looking through everyone's trip photos not having 
memory -- I remember your trips as well as I remember mine! Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:32:07 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
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> Hope you can ride soon! Bob
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Manuel Acosta 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Ditto.
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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Tony DeFilippo]

I haven't worked with the Paul brakes though they look great.  I put the 720's 
on my MB5 and recently transferred them to my Atlantis... The double screw is a 
bit of a pain and my brakes aren't currently centered right but they do so the 
bike and feel very good. Given the price difference and the availability of 
alternative cable hangers I'm willing to cut then some slack...

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[RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Me to... I love to see where/how all y'all ride. Keep the pics coming. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

We'd love to have you, CB. 
>
>
The ride and company were grand. Mostly Rivs and Surlys but we had one 
Nishiki Safari from 1972 along. The only mechanicals were that the 40 year 
old leather straps on the Nishiki's panniers weren't up for the constant 
jostling of miles on gravel. They were replaced by zip ties and we rolled 
on.  

More pics... 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157636506161775/

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[RBW] Re: The Mysteries of Bike Assembly

[Ron Mc]

Thicker cables are more apt to fail at the shifter drum than thinner 
cables.  The most damaging things that happen to cables are always the 
clamp screws.  

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:24 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Good thought only this bike, and the bike where the derailler cable failed 
> were both DT shifters, hence no cable housing at all.  The tightest bend is 
> clearly around the DT shifter itself. All other bends are much less than 
> that.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:52:12 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> making cable housings too short leading to excessively tight bends is the 
>> most common demise of cables.  
>> My buddy had a short derailleur cable that shifted on him from frame flex 
>> under a climbing load (exactly where you don't need it)
>> Lengthening the cable housing solved the problem.  
>>
>> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:23:15 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> No doubt derailler cable needs to be more flexible, but I'm betting we 
>>> have reached a point in material science where we can make a strong  & 
>>> flexible cable.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:13:04 AM UTC-4, Perry wrote:

 Some excellent points. Regarding the cable splitters... 

 > In contrast the male end holds the cable with two set screws, but the 
 entry hole in the brake connect is much smaller than the exit hole and, to 
 my eye, just barely distinguishable from the derailler connect.   

 I have davinci cable splitters and find no problem distinguishing 
 between brake and derailleur easily. Not sure that the brand would make 
 any 
 difference but just throwing it out as a data point. 

 Regarding 50+ year old eyesight, I'm 55. This is my main problem 
 working on bikes. This and diminished dexterty of my hands/fingers and 
 loss 
 of general flexibility (to bend and hold my body in certain situations 
 while making repairs). For the flexibly part, I find myself moving the 
 bike 
 on the stand more often to get the best angle at the job. Good readers 
 that 
 don't slide down my nose and this 
 http://www.lightsandknives.com/images/D/hl4.jpg are the best I've been 
 able to come up with for the eyesight thing. I remain open to suggestions. 

 Also, as noted, I strongly suspect that a brake cable will not be be 
 flexible enough to give optimal shifting performance. This may be most 
 noticeable around tight bends such as under the BB cable guide to front 
 derailleur. Also, could be that this is more of an issue with indexed 
 shifting. I realize these standards were established prior to indexed 
 shifting so maybe I'm wrong about the reason but I've done some 
 experiments 
 and the stiffness of a thick cable does appear to effect shifting IME. 

 • Perry 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[Ron Mc]

My buddy dressed his Dahon in copper trim - went so far as having the pedal 
cages plated.  He bought copper fenders from Denmark that were thin flat 
bar, shape-your-own simple bend.  Came out really nice and remind me in 
appearance of the simple bend wooden fenders, though slightly thinner.  

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:25:59 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> Having donated the plastic Planet Bike fenders from my Atlantis to my 
> wife's new orange Surly LHT, I am searching for a new set.  In reviewing 
> the many fender options, I have become intrigued by bamboo and wooden 
> fenders.
> If you have wooden fenders on any type of bike do you like them? Why or 
> why not? What kind/who made them?
> If you have wooden fenders on an Atlantis, do you have photos? 
> A google search only returned three Atlanti with wooden fenders (to my 
> hurried/tired eyes):
> Michael and Mel's at cyclofiend.com
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc184-michaelwolfe1006.html
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc519-jamesjohnson0908.html
> And PlainWrapPedaler at Flickr: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/46241869@N08/7523876266/
> Any others out there?  I am curious about how they hold up compared to 
> plastic and metal as well as how fenders of different types of wood  look 
> on an Atlantis.
> So far, I have discovered Woodys Fenders (
> http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/) and Sykes (
> http://www.sykeswoodfenders.com/sykeswoodfenders/home.html).  Are there 
> other manufacturers?
> Many thanks,
> Erl
>
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[RBW] Re: Need low-down on dyno hubs/lights please.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Good point, Andy.  I have yet to read conclusive evidence to prove one hub 
or light is clearly "best". But I think it's safe to say any decent hub 
generator / LED light combo is a wonderful thing, and will instantly (and 
greatly) enhance the riding experience by extending the hours and places 
one can ride.  

In fact, maybe we need to see a few "RIv Night Rallies"???  I've always 
wanted to do a dusk-to-dawn ride along some desolate route, but haven't 
pulled many all-nighters since college.  I am fortunate to live along a 
great rail-trail system on the Delaware River and having my own supply of 
path lighting (and nicely-spaced pubs along the route) makes for some 
excellent extended evening rides, especially in the Fall.

Peace,
Bobby 

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:56:52 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Michael: 
>
> Nothing is free; energy to run a light comes at a cost and just as the 
> stiffest frame may not be the best one, the brightest light may not be best 
> one either. 
>
> I have a SON hub and LUXOS B light on my commuter. 800 Lumens? No, but 
> putting what you have where it is needed and producing a more positive 
> result with the fewest negatives is worth lots of Lumens in trade. Drag? 
> Yes, you can feel it by turning the lifted wheel.
>
> But the amazing thing the specs don't indicate (Peter White gets close), 
> is how the darn thing feels faster at night with this hub generator and 
> light. It is the same effect as that first new bike you got when you were 
> 12; it is the coolest thing ever and when you see some of the undisciplined 
> light patterns of the retina burning lights out there you will appreciate 
> how "the most available" can be too much. Look at a photo of a flash-lit 
> subject that was light-washed  by the overwhelming illumination of the 
> flash? A fellow rider and commuter in my neighborhood, who rode Crush the 
> Commonwealth (Philadelphia to PIttsburgh, non-stop, non-competitive ride) 
> in under 37 hours, has more light on her bike and helmet than a German 
> sports car. Maybe good off-road in the pitch blackness but it washes out 
> the details I am happiest to see coming. She had to carry so many extra 
> proprietary batteries in that exercise that it probably was more 
> debilitating than a little hub drag.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:56:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>>
>> What types are there?
>> Do they cause drag? Or have they overcome that with newer technology?
>>  
>> I want something that has zero drag if such a thing exists, and more than 
>> 800 lumens. Am I dreaming?
>>
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RE: [RBW] Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I agree with most of Bill's observations, but not necessarily his conclusion, 
about wood fenders.  In the right application, I like 'em.

"The flat ones do a lousy job as fenders, letting any real water spray out to 
the sides."  This is a relative statement; it's true that the flat wooden 
fenders are not as good as curved fenders at preventing water from getting on 
you and your bike, but I would qualify the point by saying that in my 
experience they're fine (adequate, at least, and maybe better than that) in a 
drizzle, or riding on wet pavement and through puddles left after a rainstorm.  
And good mudflaps improve their utility significantly.  Bill is absolutely 
correct that they're nowhere near as effective as a good pair of Honjos in hard 
rain.  But I have a dedicated metal-fendered rain bike for such weather.

"The nice rounded ones are crazy expensive, aren't adjustable in a 
stress-relieving way, and are way too thick, eating into the precious mm of 
clearance."  I agree with these observations, too, though again with some 
caveats.  Because the compound curve wooden fenders are very labor intensive, 
they are quite expensive -- although not much more than the Honjos on the 
Compass Cycles site.  And they are unquestionably somewhat thicker than the 
Honjos, which (depending on the bike, of course) can eat into precious mm of 
clearance.  On a restoration of a lovely lugged '80s mountain bike, for 
example, which may have oodles of clearance, this may not be a drawback.  The 
biggest drawback of the compound curve fenders, in my experience (and I base 
this on a sample size of one, so take it with a really big dose of salt), is 
Bill's last point -- adjustability of the compound curve fenders is limited, 
without stressing the fender in a way that can cause stress cracking.  I 
installed compound curve mahogany fenders on a SimpleOne that I gave to one of 
my sons, and the rear fender has begun to show signs of cracking at the top of 
the fender.

BUT:

They're insanely beautiful, to my eye, so if you can work around the drawbacks 
(by having a dedicated rain bike, for example, or by being extremely careful 
not to impose stress on them in installation (which may require accepting a bit 
less than perfect fender line in some installations)), they provide an 
aesthetic reward.  I have flat Woody's fenders on my Quickbeam (where they also 
offer the added advantage of being particularly easy to bend out of the way for 
rear tire changes):  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4412267966/in/set-72157623567913352   
and compound curve versions on the SimpleOne: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6905323995/in/set-72157629391118347 , 
and they really are sharp-looking.  Everything's a compromise, I guess.

Also, the flat ones are stupid easy to install.

Tom



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Subject: [RBW] Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

i do not like wooden fenders.  the flat ones do a lousy job as fenders, letting 
any real water spray out to the sides.  the nice rounded ones are crazy 
expensive, arent adjustible in a strees-relieving way, and are way too thick, 
eating into the precious mm of clearance.  good metal fenders, and even good 
plastic fenders are a smarter choice, in my humble opinion.  a very good friend 
of mine started the craze, i think, with the woodies in the 90s.  i wasn't 
crazy about them then, either.  maybe a 26" atlantis, which might have too much 
clearance, could take them.  i'm sold on metals

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Re: [RBW] Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[Alex Zeibot]

I second Bill's recent comments; did not have positive experience with
them.  They are also high maintenance for you will need to apply a coat or
two of polyurethane once in a while.  Here in Minnesota, I had to apply few
more times than normally.  By the way, they were custom made Woody fenders
for my Surly Pugsley as the metal and plastic were (and still ??) not
available at that time.


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:25 PM, WETH  wrote:

> Having donated the plastic Planet Bike fenders from my Atlantis to my
> wife's new orange Surly LHT, I am searching for a new set.  In reviewing
> the many fender options, I have become intrigued by bamboo and wooden
> fenders.
> If you have wooden fenders on any type of bike do you like them? Why or
> why not? What kind/who made them?
> If you have wooden fenders on an Atlantis, do you have photos?
> A google search only returned three Atlanti with wooden fenders (to my
> hurried/tired eyes):
> Michael and Mel's at cyclofiend.com
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc184-michaelwolfe1006.html
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc519-jamesjohnson0908.html
> And PlainWrapPedaler at Flickr:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/46241869@N08/7523876266/
> Any others out there?  I am curious about how they hold up compared to
> plastic and metal as well as how fenders of different types of wood  look
> on an Atlantis.
> So far, I have discovered Woodys Fenders (
> http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/) and Sykes (
> http://www.sykeswoodfenders.com/sykeswoodfenders/home.html).  Are there
> other manufacturers?
> Many thanks,
> Erl
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[RBW] Re: Need low-down on dyno hubs/lights please.

[ascpgh]

Michael: 

Nothing is free; energy to run a light comes at a cost and just as the 
stiffest frame may not be the best one, the brightest light may not be best 
one either. 

I have a SON hub and LUXOS B light on my commuter. 800 Lumens? No, but 
putting what you have where it is needed and producing a more positive 
result with the fewest negatives is worth lots of Lumens in trade. Drag? 
Yes, you can feel it by turning the lifted wheel.

But the amazing thing the specs don't indicate (Peter White gets close), is 
how the darn thing feels faster at night with this hub generator and light. 
It is the same effect as that first new bike you got when you were 12; it 
is the coolest thing ever and when you see some of the undisciplined light 
patterns of the retina burning lights out there you will appreciate how 
"the most available" can be too much. Look at a photo of a flash-lit 
subject that was light-washed  by the overwhelming illumination of the 
flash? A fellow rider and commuter in my neighborhood, who rode Crush the 
Commonwealth (Philadelphia to PIttsburgh, non-stop, non-competitive ride) 
in under 37 hours, has more light on her bike and helmet than a German 
sports car. Maybe good off-road in the pitch blackness but it washes out 
the details I am happiest to see coming. She had to carry so many extra 
proprietary batteries in that exercise that it probably was more 
debilitating than a little hub drag.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:56:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> What types are there?
> Do they cause drag? Or have they overcome that with newer technology?
>  
> I want something that has zero drag if such a thing exists, and more than 
> 800 lumens. Am I dreaming?
>

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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Garth]

 I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in a 
jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the 
stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic 
ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called 
one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since 
the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best. 
The wider one's are not better. 

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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Michael Hechmer]

the 720 cantis  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brc1.htm

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:10:43 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
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> What kinda Tektro's?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dyno - SP Dynamo Hub

[IanA]

It does: - IDC has them, but you might need to send them an email first to 
make sure you're getting the right one. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SP-hub-dynamo-dynohub-PV-8-24-28-and-36h-The-most-efficient-and-lightest-/281175032810?pt=US_Hubs&hash=item41775683ea

On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:30:10 PM UTC-6, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
>  Thanks, 
>
> If the SP came in a 36 hole version that would be even better…I only see 
> the 32…
>
> meade
>
>  
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Re: [RBW] Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Christopher Chen]

I was lucky enough to make it to this ride! Attendants I know by name (and
are on this list) include Andy, Shawn, Tommy, and Zack.

First of all, I'm astounded at my luck at finding such a great group of
pals. Aaron is a fantastic ride leader, and it was great to see him since
his move out to The Dalles.

While the day started rainy and overcast, by the afternoon and early
evening the sky started to clear a bit, giving us wonderful light and a
gorgeous sunset. Dinner at the taco truck was fantastic.

Aaron was right about the climbs--they were pretty awesome. I mean that
both in terms of quality and magnitude.

I really do feel like I live in God's Country when I go on rides like this.
There were just too many "woah" moments.

Pictures prove it happened:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10240637533/

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On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> A group of 9 met at my place in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon for a
> country ramble. The weather was a bit drizzly to begin with, but luckily
> only threatened to rain and we had a dry, though overcast ride. Temps were
> nice in the mid fifties.  The pack of nine endured a 50-mile loop to the
> south and east of The Dalles with the majority of roads being gravel and
> seemingly uphill; a few climbs had grades in the double digits. The terrain
> in this part of OR is very hilly so each steep climb was paired with an
> equally steep descent.
>
> Highlights included:
>
> - a pre-lunch lunch stop across from an abandoned school house which is
> said to have been built in 1904 and next to an old cemetery with
> gravestones with dates from the first half of the 1800's
>
> - a lunch stop in the rural town of Dufur where Zach treated us with fancy
> and tasty hot coffee
>
> - miles and miles of nearly car-less gravel roads surrounded by
> picturesque farms and wheat fields
>
> - a post ride meal at the local taco truck in downtown The Dalles
>
> Lots of pics are sure to follow.
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Coconutbill]

Hope to join you guys for the next one. looks like this was a spectacular 
ride.
-Evan

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