Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update

[cyclotourist]

Based on the ride pic, the bike is set up perfect for that area!
Great that you tinkered and found a set up that does a turnaround on your
feelings for the bike.

Cheers,
David

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On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> Great report! Glad to hear you found a happy medium :)
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Avery Wilson  wrote:
>
>> So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker
>> with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well!
>>
>> I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and
>> swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete
>> cockpit with a DirtDrop stem.  Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5
>> or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever.
>>
>> I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride
>> today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after
>> church.  The bike is completely transformed!  I just felt faster, quicker,
>> more in control.. it was great.  How does a bike feel more responsive at
>> the pedals based on cockpit alone?
>>
>> So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little
>> funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or
>> taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10", so those inches had to come from my
>> torso.  So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just
>> seem to work really well for me.  If I get tired of the slightly weird look
>> of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm
>> Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :)
>>
>> Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi
>> front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30
>> previously.  Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from
>> Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to
>> the next level.. :)
>>
>> I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading
>> away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it!
>>
>> Link to photo below of current setup.
>>
>> Current Bike Setup
>>
>> Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv
>> A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann!
>>
>> Ride 
>> Photo.
>>
>> I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack,
>> dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it.
>>
>> Avery in Indianapolis
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Mark's Rack

[Michael Ullmer]

I just acquired, (will be acquiring soon), a platrack/slickersack combo 
from another frequent poster on here. I'm anxious to get a Mark's rack to 
mount it on to start using it. Does anyone have one they want to part with? 
Contact me off-list if so. Cheers!

Mike U.
Seattle

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[RBW] Hunqapillar touch up paint

[Marcus80]

I just bought a new to me Hunqapillar to compliment my Homer Hilsen.  Its 
one of the gray and red models and I was wondering if anyone knows of a 
close match to the red color. Thanks in advance for you attention. I've 
been a lurker here for ages and really appreciate all the good info.  
Mark Adey

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[Jeff Ong]

OK, you guys talked me into trying a different set of tires before I boot 
this frameset to the curb. I did tour on the Paselas (on an old Trek 520) 
and found them both amazingly flat-resistant and super boring to ride, so 
I'm willing to buy that they could be making the Ram handle like a Trek 
Navigator.

I've been planning on trying either a Compass or Grand Bois tire, but I'm 
nervous about flatting way too often. I am already the most flat-prone guy 
I know (riding 23s doesn't help, of course), and I've heard mixed things 
about these tires. I do know how much difference a decent tire can make, 
though.

Thanks for all the thorough and thoughtful responses -- really great 
feedback. I appreciate it.

- Jeff


On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong wrote:
>
> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>
> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
> ahs over it, etc.
>
> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough 
> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>
> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update

[Chris Chen]

Great report! Glad to hear you found a happy medium :)


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Avery Wilson  wrote:

> So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker
> with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well!
>
> I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and
> swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete
> cockpit with a DirtDrop stem.  Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5
> or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever.
>
> I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride
> today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after
> church.  The bike is completely transformed!  I just felt faster, quicker,
> more in control.. it was great.  How does a bike feel more responsive at
> the pedals based on cockpit alone?
>
> So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little
> funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or
> taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10", so those inches had to come from my
> torso.  So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just
> seem to work really well for me.  If I get tired of the slightly weird look
> of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm
> Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :)
>
> Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi
> front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30
> previously.  Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from
> Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to
> the next level.. :)
>
> I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away..
> cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it!
>
> Link to photo below of current setup.
>
> Current Bike Setup
>
> Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv
> A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann!
>
> Ride 
> Photo.
>
> I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt,
> and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it.
>
> Avery in Indianapolis
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest in Fenders!

[Jim Bronson]

I always wear the wool closer to my skin, feels better to me.


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:02 PM,  wrote:

>   Spandex UNDER your wool makes more sense to me.
>
>  *From:* Peter Morgano 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:59 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Latest in Fenders!
>
>
> I wear spandex over my wool, makes me look buff! ;-)
> On Apr 6, 2014 5:39 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> So, what's wrong with spandex hamsters? What about spandex gerbils?
>> Guinea pigs? Other rodents?
>>
>> Patrick "will wear spandex if I damn well feel like it" Moore, who likes
>> to combine spandex and wool in ABQ, NM.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:04:33 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

 I think the seller has also found himself a market niche that will
 include weight weenies and urban fixies.

 On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:01:55 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > I doubt if a single person here is planning to buy this thing, but
> if you have a road bike with no clearance for fenders, it could work as a
> skunk stripe mitigator.
> > It's obvioously not going to keep the bike clean, etc.
>
> Agreed.  Although even then there are better established options out
> there IMO
>

>>> OH, hell yeah.  What about the front?  Can it be positioned to provide
>>> minimal protection to the drive train?  At  $1 a gram this could be *THE
>>> NEXT BIG THING* the spandex hamsters talk about at club rides.  The
>>> product has no practical use, so it will be popular at any TREK dealership.
>>> Only $1 a gram, it's a winner, can't wait to laugh at somebody with one.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Do you have V-brakes or cantilevers? If the former, you'll need the V-brake 
specific road levers or use something like a Travel Agent. If the former, 
you're good to go with the non-aero levers.


On Sunday, April 6, 2014 12:23:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my 
> LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero levers 
> for my albastache bars. I’m good for swapping everything else, but don’t 
> know what’s involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I just 
> pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace 
> bits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[Brian Campbell]

Sounds like you know what you like and the Ram is not it. I would sell it. 
There may be no mystery to solve. Not every bike is for every person.
>
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[RBW] Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update

[Avery Wilson]

So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with 
the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well!

I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and 
swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete 
cockpit with a DirtDrop stem.  Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 
or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever.

I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today 
- 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. 
 The bike is completely transformed!  I just felt faster, quicker, more in 
control.. it was great.  How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals 
based on cockpit alone?

So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little 
funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or 
taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10", so those inches had to come from my 
torso.  So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just 
seem to work really well for me.  If I get tired of the slightly weird look 
of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm 
Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :)

Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi 
front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 
previously.  Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from 
Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to 
the next level.. :)

I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. 
cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it!

Link to photo below of current setup.

Current Bike Setup

Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv 
A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann!  

Ride 
Photo.

I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, 
and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it.

Avery in Indianapolis

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest in Fenders!

[bruce.herbitter]

Spandex UNDER your wool makes more sense to me.

From: Peter Morgano 
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:59 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Latest in Fenders!

I wear spandex over my wool, makes me look buff! ;-) 

On Apr 6, 2014 5:39 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

  So, what's wrong with spandex hamsters? What about spandex gerbils? Guinea 
pigs? Other rodents? 

  Patrick "will wear spandex if I damn well feel like it" Moore, who likes to 
combine spandex and wool in ABQ, NM.



  On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:



On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:04:33 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: 
  I think the seller has also found himself a market niche that will 
include weight weenies and urban fixies.  

  On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:01:55 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote: 
> I doubt if a single person here is planning to buy this thing, but if 
you have a road bike with no clearance for fenders, it could work as a skunk 
stripe mitigator.   
> It's obvioously not going to keep the bike clean, etc.  

Agreed.  Although even then there are better established options out 
there IMO

OH, hell yeah.  What about the front?  Can it be positioned to provide 
minimal protection to the drive train?  At  $1 a gram this could be THE NEXT 
BIG THING the spandex hamsters talk about at club rides.  The product has no 
practical use, so it will be popular at any TREK dealership. Only $1 a gram, 
it's a winner, can't wait to laugh at somebody with one.

Marc
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest in Fenders!

[Peter Morgano]

I wear spandex over my wool, makes me look buff! ;-)
On Apr 6, 2014 5:39 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> So, what's wrong with spandex hamsters? What about spandex gerbils? Guinea
> pigs? Other rodents?
>
> Patrick "will wear spandex if I damn well feel like it" Moore, who likes
> to combine spandex and wool in ABQ, NM.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:04:33 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the seller has also found himself a market niche that will
>>> include weight weenies and urban fixies.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:01:55 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 > I doubt if a single person here is planning to buy this thing, but if
 you have a road bike with no clearance for fenders, it could work as a
 skunk stripe mitigator.
 > It's obvioously not going to keep the bike clean, etc.

 Agreed.  Although even then there are better established options out
 there IMO

>>>
>> OH, hell yeah.  What about the front?  Can it be positioned to provide
>> minimal protection to the drive train?  At  $1 a gram this could be *THE
>> NEXT BIG THING* the spandex hamsters talk about at club rides.  The
>> product has no practical use, so it will be popular at any TREK dealership. 
>> Only
>> $1 a gram, it's a winner, can't wait to laugh at somebody with one.
>>
>> Marc
>>
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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick to Patrick: this sort of swap is very easy, particularly if you use
non-aero levers. The hardest part if ensuring that the housing is the right
length. I don't like over-long housing, and almost always end up cutting
mine too short -- and having to cut another length.

Measure twice, make a mistake, and measure a 3d time -- that's the ticket.

Hey, if you learned your brake work with the rod brakes on cheap Indian
roadsters, cable and housing is easy.


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Who decided mountain cable would be different from road cable and where do
> they live so I can TP their house? Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:17:36 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the cables afaik are the same diameter so you can reuse your brake
>> housing if it's long enough, and if you're using non-aero road levers you
>> might have enough. The road cable end looks like a bullet, whereas the
>> mountain cable end looks like a lollipop.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> cc
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Chris. So no cutting except at the raw, brake end? And I just
>>> thread the cable through the cable housing and connect it at the brake end?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:31:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>>
 The cable ends are different between road and mountain levers, so
 you'll need a new set of cables.

 Otherwise, you should be good.

 Good luck!

 cc


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> I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my
> LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero 
> levers
> for my albastache bars. I’m good for swapping everything else, but don’t
> know what’s involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I 
> just
> pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace
> bits?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest in Fenders!

[Patrick Moore]

So, what's wrong with spandex hamsters? What about spandex gerbils? Guinea
pigs? Other rodents?

Patrick "will wear spandex if I damn well feel like it" Moore, who likes to
combine spandex and wool in ABQ, NM.


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

>
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:04:33 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I think the seller has also found himself a market niche that will
>> include weight weenies and urban fixies.
>>
>> On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:01:55 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> > I doubt if a single person here is planning to buy this thing, but if
>>> you have a road bike with no clearance for fenders, it could work as a
>>> skunk stripe mitigator.
>>> > It's obvioously not going to keep the bike clean, etc.
>>>
>>> Agreed.  Although even then there are better established options out
>>> there IMO
>>>
>>
> OH, hell yeah.  What about the front?  Can it be positioned to provide
> minimal protection to the drive train?  At  $1 a gram this could be *THE
> NEXT BIG THING* the spandex hamsters talk about at club rides.  The
> product has no practical use, so it will be popular at any TREK dealership. 
> Only
> $1 a gram, it's a winner, can't wait to laugh at somebody with one.
>
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Re: [RBW] What does rollerblading in slow motion have to do with Rivendell and riding?

[dougP]

He's onto something regarding acceleration & feeling connected.  Note the 
skaters & surfers when he talks about that.  I especially like the idea of 
"growing old without becoming an asshole...".  

dougP

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:45:41 PM UTC-7, Esteban wrote:

> "I feel like singing at top of my lungs"
>
> I've done that :)
>
> On Friday, April 4, 2014 6:52:00 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>
>> I can't watch the video- it isn't captioned, so I don't know the details, 
>> but I get the gist of it. 
>>
>> For what it's worth, I ride my bike first thing in the morning if I can, 
>> and it's usually the only time I get to ride. I just go to the coffee shop, 
>> fill my thermos, and go outside and watch the sun rise or people going in 
>> and out and have a small cup (it's a big thermos). Sometimes I write, 
>> sometimes I just sit there, sometimes I read the poem of the day in 
>> writer's almanac. 
>>
>> Seth was the one who did the coffee ride- he'd ride every morning to 
>> bring us coffee, and he'd try to do it daily with exception of some very 
>> frigid mornings (he's a Southern boy after all). Sometimes it would be his 
>> only ride the whole day. I thought I'd try it out, and I've found a route 
>> that works for me (low key, very little traffic, wide roads, some hills). 
>> It's only 2 miles total, but it is definitely my happy place. When I ride 
>> to the coffeeshop, I ride into the sunrise, and when I'm ready to go back, 
>> the sun is behind me and has warmed me up. Most mornings I feel like 
>> singing at top of my lungs (though I stay quiet out of respect for my 
>> neighbors). 
>>
>> And always, I feel like I'm riding with Seth when I ride my bike. I get 
>> to see dogs being walked, say hi to my neighbors, watch flights of birds, 
>> try not to run over inexperienced baby squirrels, and see the trees in 
>> bloom (currently, dogwoods, redbuds, magnolias, though thankfully, bradford 
>> pears are done for now). Soon it will be honeysuckle and jessamine time. 
>> I'm beginning to understand why he liked the morning rides. 
>>
>> And no, there's no reason to ride to the coffeeshop other than that it 
>> feels like a sacred ritual that is both fun and invigorating and well, just 
>> brings me joy. The rare, unadulterated kind of joy that can coexist with 
>> the ever-present grief. And I'll always have Seth to thank for that (he 
>> taught me to ride a bike uhmm, 9 years ago). 
>>
>> Enjoy the ride.
>>
>> -Eunice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Esteban  wrote:
>>
>>> The New York Times has an Op-Doc telling the story of a local San Diego 
>>> resident who skates in slow motion along the boardwalk. You may have 
>>> already seen it. I posted about it here, including a link to the 16 minute 
>>> documentary:
>>>
>>> http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/moving-forward/
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why, but I wrote it for you all and wanted to share the 
>>> video with this group as soon as I saw it. Why?
>>>
>>> It reminded me of Just Ride - you don't need to give everything up to 
>>> get a little stoke in your life. Just ride around the block during a 15 
>>> minute break from whatever else you are doing. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it gets really interesting around 8:45. There, Slomo talks about 
>>> the neuroscience of forward motion. I don't know enough about neuroscience 
>>> to call it out as BS, but its still a great story. Maybe that's one of the 
>>> reasons why bike riding is so fun? Why do I feel my friendships formed 
>>> through sharing bike rides are so strong? Maybe because we are experiencing 
>>> stoke together. Seth Vidal is right. Enjoy.
>>>
>>> Regards!
>>> Esteban
>>> San Diego, Calif.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest in Fenders!

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On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:04:33 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I think the seller has also found himself a market niche that will include 
> weight weenies and urban fixies.  
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:01:55 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> > I doubt if a single person here is planning to buy this thing, but if 
>> you have a road bike with no clearance for fenders, it could work as a 
>> skunk stripe mitigator.  
>> > It's obvioously not going to keep the bike clean, etc.  
>>
>> Agreed.  Although even then there are better established options out 
>> there IMO
>>
>
OH, hell yeah.  What about the front?  Can it be positioned to provide 
minimal protection to the drive train?  At  $1 a gram this could be *THE 
NEXT BIG THING* the spandex hamsters talk about at club rides.  The product 
has no practical use, so it will be popular at any TREK dealership. Only $1 
a gram, it's a winner, can't wait to laugh at somebody with one.

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[RBW] Riding Gravel Forum

[Deacon Patrick]

Here is a forum I just discovered for and about riding gravel (gravel 
grinders), in case anyone else is interested. It's based out of Colorado 
but open to everyone.
http://ridinggravel.com

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?

[Chris Chen]

So if I were me (which I am!) I'd keep cable housing with each set of bars,
so all I'd need to do to swap over would be to re-run the brake and shift
cables. If I left enough cable at the end, I could switch a few times
before replacing cable.

However, I'm kind of a worrywort so I replace my cables more often than
probably required.


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> What if I also install cable splitters near the cockpit so future changes
> are less involved? What splitters do you recommend? Does this in any way
> endanger brake connection?
>
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[RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?

[Deacon Patrick]

What if I also install cable splitters near the cockpit so future changes 
are less involved? What splitters do you recommend? Does this in any way 
endanger brake connection?

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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Chris Chen]

RIGHT THERE WITH YOU I'LL BRING EXTRA TP


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Who decided mountain cable would be different from road cable and where do
> they live so I can TP their house? Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:17:36 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the cables afaik are the same diameter so you can reuse your brake
>> housing if it's long enough, and if you're using non-aero road levers you
>> might have enough. The road cable end looks like a bullet, whereas the
>> mountain cable end looks like a lollipop.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> cc
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Chris. So no cutting except at the raw, brake end? And I just
>>> thread the cable through the cable housing and connect it at the brake end?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:31:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>>
 The cable ends are different between road and mountain levers, so
 you'll need a new set of cables.

 Otherwise, you should be good.

 Good luck!

 cc


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> I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my
> LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero 
> levers
> for my albastache bars. I'm good for swapping everything else, but don't
> know what's involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I 
> just
> pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace
> bits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, guys. This gives me the confidence that I can dive in at try, and 
worst case scenario is to take it to the shop.

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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Who decided mountain cable would be different from road cable and where do 
they live so I can TP their house? Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:17:36 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Yeah, the cables afaik are the same diameter so you can reuse your brake 
> housing if it's long enough, and if you're using non-aero road levers you 
> might have enough. The road cable end looks like a bullet, whereas the 
> mountain cable end looks like a lollipop.
>
> :)
>
> cc
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Chris. So no cutting except at the raw, brake end? And I just 
>> thread the cable through the cable housing and connect it at the brake end?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:31:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>>> The cable ends are different between road and mountain levers, so you'll 
>>> need a new set of cables.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, you should be good.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> cc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
 I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my 
 LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero 
 levers 
 for my albastache bars. I’m good for swapping everything else, but don’t 
 know what’s involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I 
 just 
 pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace 
 bits?
  
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[RBW] Re: 55 Cheviot and 700c

[jandrews_nyc]

That's correct
I have parts already .
And I was thinking that with a 55, my wife and I could share the 
bikewith a quick-release seatpost clamp.
I could do either a 55 or a 60 and probably the 60 would be more 
ideal...plus I have the original budget 700c wheels from Riv when I bought 
the S.H.
Seems crazy not to just buy another wheelset ...but was thinking of how to 
do this within a budget.



On Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:56:55 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Or if you are throwing together a budget build kit from stuff on hand to 
> get the Cheviot on the road.  Speaking of which, remember that the Cheviut 
> is 135mm spaced in back.  We may all have skinny 700c wheels laying around, 
> but the majority of those are probably not 135mm in back.  
>
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:50:10 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> If you want to run skinny 700s on a lovely lugged mixte, Rivendell sells 
>> one which will fit those wheels. 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:27:33 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>>> But is you want to ride skinny 700s, why buy a Chevoit?
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 One of the staff at Riv "reverse engineered" a Hilsen that way. It's a 
 neat trick for putting spindly-light racer wheels on a lovely lugged 
 bicycle. You also get to use spindly-light Campy "skeleton" brakes if 
 you'd 
 like. You're limited to skinny tires (which is kind of the idea here), so 
 the absolute wheel-and-tire diameter will be pretty close to the 650B's.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:28:20 PM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:

> Do you think it would be possible to run 700c wheels on a 650b 55cm 
> Cheviot?
> I imagine the frame isn't designed for it so it's a bad idea, but 
> those chainstays are longer and maybe it would be fine.
> Any thoughts?
> thanks
> Jason
>
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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Chris Chen]

Yeah, the cables afaik are the same diameter so you can reuse your brake
housing if it's long enough, and if you're using non-aero road levers you
might have enough. The road cable end looks like a bullet, whereas the
mountain cable end looks like a lollipop.

:)

cc


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> Thanks, Chris. So no cutting except at the raw, brake end? And I just
> thread the cable through the cable housing and connect it at the brake end?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:31:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> The cable ends are different between road and mountain levers, so you'll
>> need a new set of cables.
>>
>> Otherwise, you should be good.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> cc
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my
>>> LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero levers
>>> for my albastache bars. I'm good for swapping everything else, but don't
>>> know what's involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I just
>>> pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace
>>> bits?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Peter Morgano]

As long as you have enough slack at the bars. I can't tell you over the
years how many recabling/cockpit swap jobs I did for want of a few inches
of cable at the bars. before I learned to leave some slack, even if it's
not as clean looking.
On Apr 6, 2014 3:56 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:

> Thanks, Chris. So no cutting except at the raw, brake end? And I just
> thread the cable through the cable housing and connect it at the brake end?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:31:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> The cable ends are different between road and mountain levers, so you'll
>> need a new set of cables.
>>
>> Otherwise, you should be good.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> cc
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my
>>> LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero levers
>>> for my albastache bars. I'm good for swapping everything else, but don't
>>> know what's involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I just
>>> pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace
>>> bits?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Chris. So no cutting except at the raw, brake end? And I just 
thread the cable through the cable housing and connect it at the brake end?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:31:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> The cable ends are different between road and mountain levers, so you'll 
> need a new set of cables.
>
> Otherwise, you should be good.
>
> Good luck!
>
> cc
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my 
>> LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero levers 
>> for my albastache bars. I’m good for swapping everything else, but don’t 
>> know what’s involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I just 
>> pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace 
>> bits?
>>  
>> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Chris Chen]

The cable ends are different between road and mountain levers, so you'll
need a new set of cables.

Otherwise, you should be good.

Good luck!

cc


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> I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my
> LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero levers
> for my albastache bars. I'm good for swapping everything else, but don't
> know what's involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I just
> pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace
> bits?
>
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[RBW] What's involved switching to road levers?

[Deacon Patrick]

I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my LBS. I 
will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero levers for my 
albastache bars. I'm good for swapping everything else, but don't know what's 
involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I just pop the cable 
out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace bits?

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: B68 Saddle, Tires: 700 and 26 Dureme

[Chris Chen]

Woot!


On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Everything's sold. New Cockpit funded, plus an Easter bike for my 4-year
> old who has graduated from her push/balance bike. Thanks, guys!
>
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[RBW] Re: 55 Cheviot and 700c

[Bill Lindsay]

Or if you are throwing together a budget build kit from stuff on hand to 
get the Cheviot on the road.  Speaking of which, remember that the Cheviut 
is 135mm spaced in back.  We may all have skinny 700c wheels laying around, 
but the majority of those are probably not 135mm in back.  

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:50:10 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> If you want to run skinny 700s on a lovely lugged mixte, Rivendell sells 
> one which will fit those wheels. 
>
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:27:33 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
>> But is you want to ride skinny 700s, why buy a Chevoit?
>>
>> On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the staff at Riv "reverse engineered" a Hilsen that way. It's a 
>>> neat trick for putting spindly-light racer wheels on a lovely lugged 
>>> bicycle. You also get to use spindly-light Campy "skeleton" brakes if you'd 
>>> like. You're limited to skinny tires (which is kind of the idea here), so 
>>> the absolute wheel-and-tire diameter will be pretty close to the 650B's.
>>>  
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:28:20 PM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>>
 Do you think it would be possible to run 700c wheels on a 650b 55cm 
 Cheviot?
 I imagine the frame isn't designed for it so it's a bad idea, but those 
 chainstays are longer and maybe it would be fine.
 Any thoughts?
 thanks
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[RBW] Re: 55 Cheviot and 700c

[Joe Bernard]

If you want to run skinny 700s on a lovely lugged mixte, Rivendell sells 
one which will fit those wheels. 

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:27:33 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

> But is you want to ride skinny 700s, why buy a Chevoit?
>
> On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> One of the staff at Riv "reverse engineered" a Hilsen that way. It's a 
>> neat trick for putting spindly-light racer wheels on a lovely lugged 
>> bicycle. You also get to use spindly-light Campy "skeleton" brakes if you'd 
>> like. You're limited to skinny tires (which is kind of the idea here), so 
>> the absolute wheel-and-tire diameter will be pretty close to the 650B's.
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:28:20 PM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>>> Do you think it would be possible to run 700c wheels on a 650b 55cm 
>>> Cheviot?
>>> I imagine the frame isn't designed for it so it's a bad idea, but those 
>>> chainstays are longer and maybe it would be fine.
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> thanks
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[ted]

The tires don't stink, though they may not be the sort of tires you like. 
Apparently some folks like uber stout bomb proof tires, and some others 
prefer the lightest supplest tires they can find. Unless I missed it you 
have not said what tires you use on your Atlantis.

I have a bike with 650b GB cypres (32mm) tires, and another with Jack Brown 
green (33mm) tires. As best I can tell their characteristics are fairly 
similar though the JB looks more balloonish than the Cypres. That may be 
because I have the JBs on narrower rims.
Compared to the Maxy Fasties, the Niftys have thicker tread, reinforced 
sidewalls, and a kevlar belt. That sounds like the difference between the 
green and blue Jack Browns. Riv recommends "the BLUE for for trails, 
commuting, tandems, or just all-around riding if you aren't 
weight-obsessed", and the green is "the one we recommend fore pure road 
riding".
If you find the Niftys slow, likely someone will suggest you should have 
bought the Maxy Fasties.

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:20:40 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Don't get me wrong, beautiful bike. But I think it might be my tire 
> selection.
>
> The first few were lumpy & sluggish, the other was a little too 
> balloon-ish for my taste. 
>
> So why does Riv even sell these tires if they stink!?
>
> Anyways, I have a pair of Niftys on order and hopefully they'll change my 
> opinion. Those Gran Bois looks nice too so we'll see.
>
> Thanks for everyone's help! 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[ted]

Please remember there is a lot more going on with a bike than just the 
wheel size. For example smaller wheeled bikes tend to have less bottom 
bracket drop. Comparing the 650b and 700c hillsens, the drop differs by 
13mm. The difference in bsd between the two wheel sizes is 38mm, so the 
radius differs by 19. Subtracting off the drop leaves a difference of only 
0.6cm. As frame sizes go a delta of about 1/2 a cm is fairly trivial. I 
suppose if you are right in the middle of two sizes it might matter but 
really it doesn't seem picking wheel size to affect stand over makes sense. 
How does a 54cm 650b bike equate to a 50cm 700c bike on standover?

Also air volume is only indirectly related to a plush ride. The primary 
driver is tire pressure. Once a tire is big enough to avoid pinch flatting 
and rim damage at pressures low enough to give the comfort one wants, I 
don't see how going even bigger makes the ride plusher. In fact for a given 
tire pressure, a wider tire feels harder.

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:41:27 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
>  Funny how for a while, the posts all seemed to lament the passing of 
> Ram/Rom and lately we hear from the Ram/Rom “haters”. Similarly now 650B 
> size.   The selling points for me on 650B were 2 fold. First, the larger 
> volume of air in the tire gives a plusher ride, especially over coarse 
> surfaces. I find they also grip well in corners. Using stiff tires or high 
> pressures negates that advantage.  Second, the lower axle height of a 650B 
> lets me straddle a larger frame. 50 CM in 700 size wheels became 54 in 
> 650B. I prefer the larger frame size, particularly when riding in drops (as 
> into a headwind).  I think they look great too.
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
> *From:* Matthew J 
> *Sent:* ‎Sunday‎, ‎April‎ ‎06‎, ‎2014 ‎6‎:‎25‎ ‎AM
> *To:* RBW - Owners 
>
> Hate to pile on, but you are riding dogs for tires.  Switch to one of the 
> quality 650Bs and get back to us.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bar End Pods

[Deacon Patrick]

I've a pair lined up. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Bar End Pods

[Bruce Gordon]

That should be "give me a call if you want to order some Monday"
Regards,
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> These critters, for clarity: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh13.htm
> 
> With abandon,
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> 
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:17:20 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Rivendell just ran out of these. Do yours need a new home? Please write off 
> list. Thanks!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Bar End Pods

[Bruce Gordon]

I have the Shimano ones - give me a cal lif you want to order some Monday.

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> These critters, for clarity: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh13.htm
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:17:20 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Rivendell just ran out of these. Do yours need a new home? Please write off 
> list. Thanks!
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bar End Pods

[Deacon Patrick]

These critters, for clarity: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh13.htm

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:17:20 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Rivendell just ran out of these. Do yours need a new home? Please write 
> off list. Thanks!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] WTB: Bar End Pods

[Deacon Patrick]

Rivendell just ran out of these. Do yours need a new home? Please write off 
list. Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Eric]

Don't get me wrong, beautiful bike. But I think it might be my tire 
selection.

The first few were lumpy & sluggish, the other was a little too balloon-ish 
for my taste. 

So why does Riv even sell these tires if they stink!?

Anyways, I have a pair of Niftys on order and hopefully they'll change my 
opinion. Those Gran Bois looks nice too so we'll see.

Thanks for everyone's help! 


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[RBW] Re: FS: B68 Saddle, Tires: 700 and 26 Dureme

[Deacon Patrick]

Everything's sold. New Cockpit funded, plus an Easter bike for my 4-year 
old who has graduated from her push/balance bike. Thanks, guys!

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Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[RJM]

Comparing the Grand Bois Stampede Pass to the Pasela TG tire is not night 
and day, but almost. The Stampede Pass just rolls better, easier, and more 
comfortablethe bike is sprightly-er now.  

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:30:36 PM UTC-5, oldmangabe wrote:
>
> As an aside to this discussion, I personally don't see why people are 
> dogging on the Pasela TG tires. I've ridden a heap of different tires over 
> a heap of miles myself (ranging the whole spectrum), and have found the 
> TG's to be much better than most. I know that everyone's expreiences are 
> more or less distinct which are in turn affected by various unique factors, 
> but as I said, from my experiences I just don't agree with the seemingly 
> general opinion that the TG's are heavy, slow, stiff, poor handling tires. 
> YMMV and all that, but it's bizarre to me to be located on the periphery of 
> opinion regarding the TG tire.  Blah, blah, blah...
>
> If a bike isn't making you happy, don't feel bad passing it on. You will 
> find another bike that will stoke you out more in the long term. 
>
> Grumpy out.
>
> Gabe 
>
> On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong wrote:
>>
>> So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
>> "road" type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
>> mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
>> I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
>> Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.
>>
>> About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
>> knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
>> idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
>> Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
>> a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
>> pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
>> bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
>> ahs over it, etc.
>>
>> The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
>> wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
>> terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
>> to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
>> out on the bike... like "hurry up, man! come on!" I'm a decent enough 
>> mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
>> this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
>> a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
>> compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
>> isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
>> bikes are around that weight or heavier.
>>
>> Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
>> there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
>> ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
>> and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
>> tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
>> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] 33.3 vs 35 (Jack Brown vs Paselas)

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I tried JB's (Green - haven't ridden the Blues) when they first came out - 
back when the Paselas tended to be slightly undersized for the stated 
dimension.  The difference seemed noticeable, but probably was not free 
from observer bias.  I had a hard time convincing myself to put the Paselas 
back on just so I could wear them out.  Which I eventually did, but they 
didn't seem to roll as well.  The JB profile was definitely more to my 
liking, while the narrower/taller profile of the Pasela (I was running 
32's) was something I could feel when cornering.  The 35's looked rounder 
to me, but I believe still use a similar casing. 

The only downside to the JB's which I can say is that I tend to knock 
chunks out of them when going over sharp rocks on the trail.  But, that is 
not a condition unique to the JB's. 

Still my favorite tire.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] 33.3 vs 35 (Jack Brown vs Paselas)

[jimD]

+1 on JB Greens. For me on my Riv custom they are mighty fine. I've even 
hoarded a supply just in case
-JimD
On Apr 5, 2014, at 11:44 PM, john  wrote:

> I'd go for the Jack's for sure. (Can't speak for the Blues, which I have not 
> used, but the Greens, for sure, go for it!) The JB Greens do everything the 
> Pasellas do but better. They're faster, more responsive, grippy, and at least 
> for me, at least as puncture resistant. I like both tires a lot, but for my 
> Sam HIllborne, at least, the JB Greens are the perfect match.
> 
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:09:20 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:
> Sorry if this is an old, worn out topic. My main question is to do with the 
> benefits of a smoother rolling tire (Jack Brown) vs a slightly fatter tire. 
> The Pasela isn't that much larger than the Jack Brown, but on the other hand, 
> the Jack Brown isn't that much larger than my current tires. Both would 
> probably be an improvement, but in different ways. I don't have a strong 
> preference along the fast rolling vs puncture resistance spectrum. 
> 
> I currently ride short to moderate rides-mainly city or well worn trails. I 
> have 32mm Kenda Eurotreks that came with my Handsome Devil, which I have 
> Rivved up as best I can (and which I like a lot and won't know any better 
> until one of you puts a non-single speed Riv up for sale at just the right 
> price in just the right size at just the right point in a paycheck cycle).
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[bruce.herbitter]

Funny how for a while, the posts all seemed to lament the passing of Ram/Rom 
and lately we hear from the Ram/Rom “haters”. Similarly now 650B size.   The 
selling points for me on 650B were 2 fold. First, the larger volume of air in 
the tire gives a plusher ride, especially over coarse surfaces. I find they 
also grip well in corners. Using stiff tires or high pressures negates that 
advantage.  Second, the lower axle height of a 650B lets me straddle a larger 
frame. 50 CM in 700 size wheels became 54 in 650B. I prefer the larger frame 
size, particularly when riding in drops (as into a headwind).  I think they 
look great too.






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Hate to pile on, but you are riding dogs for tires.  Switch to one of the 
quality 650Bs and get back to us.





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[RBW] Re: 55 Cheviot and 700c

[Matthew J]

But is you want to ride skinny 700s, why buy a Chevoit?

On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:45:14 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> One of the staff at Riv "reverse engineered" a Hilsen that way. It's a 
> neat trick for putting spindly-light racer wheels on a lovely lugged 
> bicycle. You also get to use spindly-light Campy "skeleton" brakes if you'd 
> like. You're limited to skinny tires (which is kind of the idea here), so 
> the absolute wheel-and-tire diameter will be pretty close to the 650B's.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:28:20 PM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
>> Do you think it would be possible to run 700c wheels on a 650b 55cm 
>> Cheviot?
>> I imagine the frame isn't designed for it so it's a bad idea, but those 
>> chainstays are longer and maybe it would be fine.
>> Any thoughts?
>> thanks
>> Jason
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Not diggin' 650b ~ Why do I prefer my 26" Atlantis?

[Matthew J]

Hate to pile on, but you are riding dogs for tires.  Switch to one of the 
quality 650Bs and get back to us.

>
>

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Re: [RBW] Upright Riding Saddles.

[bruce.herbitter]

I got an email from Selle Anatomica this week about their 2014 line up. They 
have changed the rails, rivets and nose piece, as well as gone to a longer 
adjusting screw. You can check them out at the web site. I use them and like 
them a lot.






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I switched to an SA Titanico a couple months ago and love how comfortable it is 
while installed level to the ground. It also has a little more useful real 
estate; you can sit on the nose or the rear rivets when the situation arises 
and still be comphy. I ride Albas at saddle height or slightly higher. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 50 cm Silver Quickbeam -$1500

[Philip Williamson]

I'm very happy for the dog and bike situations! Best of luck and many more 
happy years with both.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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