Re: [RBW] Low trail, lightest tubing bikes really all that?

[Chris Chen]

Michael, have you searched the group archives for discussions regarding
this topic? It does get bandied about from time to time.

cc


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Anyone here own a low-trail/ lightest tubing bike?
> Like the Herses and Singers and the new MAP S&P, Boulder bikes, etc.?
>
> Do you find them really that much better performing (faster, flexier,
> planier, efficient) than your  "oversized" steel tubing bikes, as I have
> read about in reviews of them?
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[RBW] Low trail, lightest tubing bikes really all that?

[Michael]

Anyone here own a low-trail/ lightest tubing bike?
Like the Herses and Singers and the new MAP S&P, Boulder bikes, etc.?

Do you find them really that much better performing (faster, flexier, planier, 
efficient) than your  "oversized" steel tubing bikes, as I have read about in 
reviews of them?

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[RBW] Re: FS Acorn bag, Paul Brakes, Shimano Shifters, Silver Shifters

[Matt Gilkey]

> Both the bag and silver shifters are taken pending payment. Paul brakes 
> and Shimano shifters are still available. 

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[RBW] Re: fs: TWO pairs of 650b tires!!!

[C.J. Filip]

Will you sell a single set?  Interested in the Maras.  Sorry for not PMing, 
can't figure out in iP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, indeed, Steve. Gearing is irrelevant anytime you are off the bike. But 
hardly irrelevant in the moments preceding it, especially when it allows 
you to overcome obstacles and keep moving. That is a wondrous feeling I 
wish you could experience, Steve.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:21:41 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/16/2014 06:37 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > You're missing out, Steve! 
>
> That's fun I am happy to miss out on.  I'd rather have a root canal. 
>
> > Rocks and roots monkey with momentum and trajectory and the slower you 
> > go and the steeper the incline, the harder those are to overcome. 
> > That's when it's time to put your foot down and hope for the sake of 
> > the bits and bobs that the ground isn't significantly lower than your 
> > tires where your foot lands. 
>
> So in that situation, gearing is essentially irrelevant, right? 
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS Acorn bag, Paul Brakes, Shimano Shifters, Silver Shifters

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi, I'll take the Acorn bag please. Let me know how to pay you via paypal? I 
can so it when I get home in an hour. My brother Hugh asked for me and gave you 
my number 310-968-6910 thanks, Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/16/2014 06:37 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

You're missing out, Steve!


That's fun I am happy to miss out on.  I'd rather have a root canal.

Rocks and roots monkey with momentum and trajectory and the slower you 
go and the steeper the incline, the harder those are to overcome. 
That's when it's time to put your foot down and hope for the sake of 
the bits and bobs that the ground isn't significantly lower than your 
tires where your foot lands.


So in that situation, gearing is essentially irrelevant, right?


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Re: [RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne - 60cm

[Sean Cleary]

One bike? You must mean per limb, right? That explains why I have four. 

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[RBW] FS Acorn bag, Paul Brakes, Shimano Shifters, Silver Shifters

[Matt Gilkey]

 

Hello, 

Here are a few parts for sale. I have tried to take good pictures and 
describe them accurately, but everything is used so please ask questions if 
you have any. All prices include shipping to the lower 48. Thanks.  
 
-Matt

 https://picasaweb.google.com/116766706625339314401/ForSale41614#

-Acorn Boxy Rando Bag $125- Olive waxed canvas, great shape. I love this 
bag but I needed the bigger one.

- Shimano Shifter Group $100- Dura ace down tube shifters 9 speed 
indexed/friction. Ultegra 9 speed rear derailleur scratched but shifts 
great. Dura ace rear cassette 12-27. 

- Paul tour canti brakes $115- Polished finish version. Comes with rack 
mounting bolts, don’t know if I have any regular ones.  Because these 
brakes mount onto an additional bushing they  stick  out really far which 
may make a front rack not sit level (why I am not using them). Otherwise 
they are great brakes. 

- Silver Down Tube Shifter/parts $35- includes one fully functional set of 
shifters and a second set to be used for parts. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[dougP]

I am always confused by these things, but then I only see primary colors.  
Sometimes a shirt is just a shirt, no?

dougP

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:48:03 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

> Couldn't help but see a few parallels between Normcore (fashion movement 
> that eschews fashion) and Rivendell's approach to various aspects of 
> cycling: 
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/doonan/2014/04/normcore_the_new_fashion_trend_and_its_perils.html
>  
>
> Anybody else see a little Normcore in the offerings from Walnut Creek? 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Deacon Patrick]

You're missing out, Steve! Rocks and roots monkey with momentum and 
trajectory and the slower you go and the steeper the incline, the harder 
those are to overcome. That's when it's time to put your foot down and hope 
for the sake of the bits and bobs that the ground isn't significantly lower 
than your tires where your foot lands. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:32:48 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/16/2014 06:12 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > That all depends on what rocks and roots are in the way. On a road, 
> > you are right. On a trail is a whole different ballgame. Grin. 
>
> I make no comments with respect to trails with rocks and roots. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/16/2014 06:12 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
That all depends on what rocks and roots are in the way. On a road, 
you are right. On a trail is a whole different ballgame. Grin.


I make no comments with respect to trails with rocks and roots.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm eclectic enough that something I do or wear is always in vogue, but 
everything else drags me down to just weird. Grin. Even mores when I wore a 
kilt and needed huge bludgers to walk. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Eric Norris]

For the moment. Everything comes back into fashion eventually.

--Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:21 PM, RJM  wrote:
> 
> So I guess I'm fashionable now. 
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:48:03 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Couldn't help but see a few parallels between Normcore (fashion movement 
>> that eschews fashion) and Rivendell's approach to various aspects of 
>> cycling: 
>> 
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/doonan/2014/04/normcore_the_new_fashion_trend_and_its_perils.html
>>  
>> 
>> Anybody else see a little Normcore in the offerings from Walnut Creek? 
>> 
>> --Eric N 
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[RJM]

So I guess I'm fashionable now. 

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:48:03 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Couldn't help but see a few parallels between Normcore (fashion movement 
> that eschews fashion) and Rivendell's approach to various aspects of 
> cycling: 
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/doonan/2014/04/normcore_the_new_fashion_trend_and_its_perils.html
>  
>
> Anybody else see a little Normcore in the offerings from Walnut Creek? 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Deacon Patrick]

That all depends on what rocks and roots are in the way. On a road, you are 
right. On a trail is a whole different ballgame. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:09:06 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/16/2014 05:49 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > I wasn't clear, Steve. I'm referring to going up a steep hill loaded 
> > in 24t front/32t rear (my current low setup). I suspect my new 24/36 
> > will have me falling over. I was comparing that with a potential 1x 
> > setup of 36 or 34/36, which would require walking more hills, not more 
> > tipping over for going too slow. Hopefully that's more clear. 
>
> 24x32 is 20.3".  22x32, what I had on the Bruce Gordon, is 18.6", 
> significantly lower.  24x36 is 18.0", a little lower than what I had on 
> the Bruce Gordon, but not terribly so.  You wouldn't want something like 
> that except for very steep hills and heavy loads, but when you do 
> encounter that combination there's every chance you will NOT tip over. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/16/2014 05:49 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I wasn't clear, Steve. I'm referring to going up a steep hill loaded 
in 24t front/32t rear (my current low setup). I suspect my new 24/36 
will have me falling over. I was comparing that with a potential 1x 
setup of 36 or 34/36, which would require walking more hills, not more 
tipping over for going too slow. Hopefully that's more clear.


24x32 is 20.3".  22x32, what I had on the Bruce Gordon, is 18.6", 
significantly lower.  24x36 is 18.0", a little lower than what I had on 
the Bruce Gordon, but not terribly so.  You wouldn't want something like 
that except for very steep hills and heavy loads, but when you do 
encounter that combination there's every chance you will NOT tip over.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Deacon Patrick]

I wasn't clear, Steve. I'm referring to going up a steep hill loaded in 24t 
front/32t rear (my current low setup). I suspect my new 24/36 will have me 
falling over. I was comparing that with a potential 1x setup of 36 or 
34/36, which would require walking more hills, not more tipping over for 
going too slow. Hopefully that's more clear.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:32:14 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 04/16/2014 04:49 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>  
> Awesome, Evan! I do still toy with the simplicity of a single up front, 
> and the romanticism of it will always attract me. It boils down to am I 
> willing to walk before I fall over because I'm going so slow? 
>
>
> If you've got a grade steep enough and a load heavy enough to warrant a 
> super low gear, odds are you won't fall over.  I used to have an 18" low 
> gear on my Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road touring bike (22 front, 32 rear) and 
> never fell over with that.  34 front 36 rear isn't nearly that low.  
> Admittedly, some skill is involved; and it's a lot more difficult on a high 
> trail/high wheel flop bike than it is on a low trail/low flop one, and load 
> placement matters too -- when I used that 18" gear on the Rock 'n Road I 
> had loaded panniers front and rear, and loaded front panniers tend to 
> stabilize the front end.  But it's certainly doable.
>
>
>  Because with a 34 front 12-36 rear I'd be hitting a lot of the ridable 
> hills (especially when bikepacking) and have to use LCG simply because my 
> gearing was too high. How much that circumstance actually happens is one I 
> plan on testing out this year. Grin. 
>
>  With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:20:34 PM UTC-6, Evan Baird wrote: 
>>
>> I stopped by the freewheel on Saturday and picked up a Paul chain keeper. 
>> It makes a huge difference. With a 34t chainring and the Riv 12-34 cassette 
>> I have a totally reasonable range, and no more spontaneous derailments.
>
>  
>  
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/16/2014 04:49 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Awesome, Evan! I do still toy with the simplicity of a single up 
front, and the romanticism of it will always attract me. It boils down 
to am I willing to walk before I fall over because I'm going so slow?


If you've got a grade steep enough and a load heavy enough to warrant a 
super low gear, odds are you won't fall over.  I used to have an 18" low 
gear on my Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road touring bike (22 front, 32 rear) 
and never fell over with that.  34 front 36 rear isn't nearly that low.  
Admittedly, some skill is involved; and it's a lot more difficult on a 
high trail/high wheel flop bike than it is on a low trail/low flop one, 
and load placement matters too -- when I used that 18" gear on the Rock 
'n Road I had loaded panniers front and rear, and loaded front panniers 
tend to stabilize the front end.  But it's certainly doable.



Because with a 34 front 12-36 rear I'd be hitting a lot of the ridable 
hills (especially when bikepacking) and have to use LCG simply because 
my gearing was too high. How much that circumstance actually happens 
is one I plan on testing out this year. Grin.


With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:20:34 PM UTC-6, Evan Baird wrote:

I stopped by the freewheel on Saturday and picked up a Paul chain
keeper. It makes a huge difference. With a 34t chainring and the
Riv 12-34 cassette I have a totally reasonable range, and no more
spontaneous derailments.




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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Ron Mc]

we mostly outgrow fashion trends - kids aren't there yet - everything is 
labels for them - good and bad.  I went to college at a major preppie 
school.  Image is a lot until you've established your identity without it.  

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:55:42 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
>This is funny , wearing whatever clothes you want is now some kind of 
> "movement" ?   Ahahahaha !The One of Infinite Means that dresses in 
> whatever clothes they wish, BAM I AM :) 
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Deacon Patrick]

Grasping water is easy. Freeze it. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:17:34 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Trying to define "normal" is like trying to grasp water ;)  Once you 
> label something as this or that "ism" , which is what "Normcore" is , 
> another "ism" , any sense of normalcy there was, is no longer !   HaH !  
> this gets funnier by the minute !   Such is Life !!  
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Garth]

Trying to define "normal" is like trying to grasp water ;)  Once you 
label something as this or that "ism" , which is what "Normcore" is , 
another "ism" , any sense of normalcy there was, is no longer !   HaH !  
this gets funnier by the minute !   Such is Life !!  

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Liesl]

H, this is curious.  In the process of procrastinating on a little 
work, I went to one of the links:

*"Normcore*—it was funny, but it also effectively captured the self-aware, 
stylized blandness I’d been noticing... They had been using it in a 
slightly different sense, not to describe a particular look but a general 
attitude: embracing sameness deliberately as a new way of being cool, 
rather than striving for “difference” or “authenticity.” In fashion, 
though, this manifests itself in ardently ordinary clothes. Mall clothes. 
Blank clothes. The kind of dad-brand non-style you might have once 
associated with Jerry Seinfeld, but transposed on a Cooper Union student 
with William Gibson glasses."

I think this does not describe Riv at all.  I think Riv designs things 
(bikes, bags, clothes, etc) that, foremost, they like and use, and they 
have skilled craftsman make these things.  "embracing sameness deliberately 
as a new way of being cool" couldn't be more opposite from Riv.

Although I do fondly recall that the first write-up of the wooly warm tweed 
sweater was that it could be worn on Baffin Island; perhaps this got 
confused with Iceland?


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[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome, Evan! I do still toy with the simplicity of a single up front, and 
the romanticism of it will always attract me. It boils down to am I willing 
to walk before I fall over because I'm going so slow? Because with a 34 
front 12-36 rear I'd be hitting a lot of the ridable hills (especially when 
bikepacking) and have to use LCG simply because my gearing was too high. 
How much that circumstance actually happens is one I plan on testing out 
this year. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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>
> I stopped by the freewheel on Saturday and picked up a Paul chain keeper. 
> It makes a huge difference. With a 34t chainring and the Riv 12-34 cassette 
> I have a totally reasonable range, and no more spontaneous derailments.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/16/2014 02:43 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Having played with the possibilities and gotten to ride a few rides 
snow free on dirt roads, I am keeping the 3x and going with the 9x 
12-36 cassette. Apparently I'm faster on gentle descents than I 
realized, and the top gears will be welcome after all, especially 
since I'm losing the 11 for a 12 small cog. But the gain on the low 
end, middle ring will be well worth it. In talking with Riv, chain 
line should be no issue switching from 107mm to 113mm BB so my bigger 
Smart Sams will be happy on there too.


Steve Palincsar, you made the right call on the triple! Grin.


Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Lynne Fitz]

Rules for riders.  Especially article 10, unless you are a very speedy rider.
http://www.rusa.org/brvreg.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Chris Chen]

gasp maybe I'm fundamentally unhappy


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Norman Bone  wrote:

>
> Aren't you President of the Red Wing Chukka Club of Portland, OR?
>
> Hey man, I'm happy "... dressing like a mild-mannered mental patient or a
> bewildered Icelandic exchange student circa 1984". Don't hate me 'cause I'm
> beautiful.
>
> -Norm 'core' Bone in Portland, OR
>
>
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> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:02 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?
>
> I will make a blanket statement I will regret making later:
>
> fashionistas of any persuasion are fundamentally unhappy people
>
> there I said it
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>
> I think it comes down to the intent, right?
>
> Normcore sounds like people being jerks.
>
> At it's worst, Rivendellianism resembles it, if you take the unracer thing
> to mean antiracer. But it can also mean something else: have lots of bike
> fun.
>
> cc
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>
>This is funny , wearing whatever clothes you want is now some kind of
> "movement" ?   Ahahahaha !The One of Infinite Means that dresses in
> whatever clothes they wish, BAM I AM :)
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Evan Baird]

I stopped by the freewheel on Saturday and picked up a Paul chain keeper. It 
makes a huge difference. With a 34t chainring and the Riv 12-34 cassette I have 
a totally reasonable range, and no more spontaneous derailments.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Norman Bone]

Aren't you President of the Red Wing Chukka Club of Portland, OR?

Hey man, I'm happy "... dressing like a mild-mannered mental patient or a 
bewildered Icelandic exchange student circa 1984". Don't hate me 'cause I'm 
beautiful.

-Norm 'core' Bone in Portland, OR





 From: Chris Chen 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?
 


I will make a blanket statement I will regret making later:

fashionistas of any persuasion are fundamentally unhappy people

there I said it



On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

I think it comes down to the intent, right?
>
>
>Normcore sounds like people being jerks.
>
>
>At it's worst, Rivendellianism resembles it, if you take the unracer thing to 
>mean antiracer. But it can also mean something else: have lots of bike fun.
>
>
>cc
>
>
>
>On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>
>>   This is funny , wearing whatever clothes you want is now some kind of 
>>"movement" ?   Ahahahaha !    The One of Infinite Means that dresses in 
>>whatever clothes they wish, BAM I AM :) 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Eric Norris]

I've heard "normcore" people on NPR, and they seem to take this stuff pretty 
seriously and think about it a lot ... which is funny, because their notion of 
"fashion" is all about nonchalance.

Hey, it's only fashion: http://youtu.be/-zFJI4axcxs 

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> On Apr 16, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Chris Chen]

I will make a blanket statement I will regret making later:

fashionistas of any persuasion are fundamentally unhappy people

there I said it


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> I think it comes down to the intent, right?
>
> Normcore sounds like people being jerks.
>
> At it's worst, Rivendellianism resembles it, if you take the unracer thing
> to mean antiracer. But it can also mean something else: have lots of bike
> fun.
>
> cc
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>>
>>This is funny , wearing whatever clothes you want is now some kind of
>> "movement" ?   Ahahahaha !The One of Infinite Means that dresses in
>> whatever clothes they wish, BAM I AM :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Chris Chen]

I think it comes down to the intent, right?

Normcore sounds like people being jerks.

At it's worst, Rivendellianism resembles it, if you take the unracer thing
to mean antiracer. But it can also mean something else: have lots of bike
fun.

cc


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Garth]

   This is funny , wearing whatever clothes you want is now some kind of 
"movement" ?   Ahahahaha !The One of Infinite Means that dresses in 
whatever clothes they wish, BAM I AM :) 

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[RBW] Rivendell: Normcore for Cyclists?

[Eric Norris]

Couldn't help but see a few parallels between Normcore (fashion movement that 
eschews fashion) and Rivendell's approach to various aspects of cycling:

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/doonan/2014/04/normcore_the_new_fashion_trend_and_its_perils.html

Anybody else see a little Normcore in the offerings from Walnut Creek?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

[Deacon Patrick]

Bah! Until I forget it a few days from now, it will be the Chris Maneuver. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 12:41:18 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> BTW I got it from 
> http://uptownbikinglife.blogspot.com/2013/12/friction-shifter-joy-part-deux.html
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Following up on the "Chris Maneuver." On my wee hour ride today shifting 
>> remains wonderfully crisp. I did get a couple of skips in my smallest cog, 
>> but far, far fewer than before the mini-cog swap. The high gear is ridable 
>> now vs. unridable before, any only 3 skips in 5 miles (but all downhill, so 
>> it went buy fast). I'll perhaps play wight he limiter screws and see if 
>> it's just not quite over enough. But I'm not going to spend too much time 
>> on it since I'm shifting to a 9-speed cassette shortly.
>>
>> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain

[Deacon Patrick]

Having played with the possibilities and gotten to ride a few rides snow 
free on dirt roads, I am keeping the 3x and going with the 9x 12-36 
cassette. Apparently I'm faster on gentle descents than I realized, and the 
top gears will be welcome after all, especially since I'm losing the 11 for 
a 12 small cog. But the gain on the low end, middle ring will be well worth 
it. In talking with Riv, chain line should be no issue switching from 107mm 
to 113mm BB so my bigger Smart Sams will be happy on there too.

Steve Palincsar, you made the right call on the triple! Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

[Chris Chen]

BTW I got it from
http://uptownbikinglife.blogspot.com/2013/12/friction-shifter-joy-part-deux.html


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Following up on the "Chris Maneuver." On my wee hour ride today shifting
> remains wonderfully crisp. I did get a couple of skips in my smallest cog,
> but far, far fewer than before the mini-cog swap. The high gear is ridable
> now vs. unridable before, any only 3 skips in 5 miles (but all downhill, so
> it went buy fast). I'll perhaps play wight he limiter screws and see if
> it's just not quite over enough. But I'm not going to spend too much time
> on it since I'm shifting to a 9-speed cassette shortly.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: 7 speed cassette question

[Deacon Patrick]

Following up on the "Chris Maneuver." On my wee hour ride today shifting 
remains wonderfully crisp. I did get a couple of skips in my smallest cog, 
but far, far fewer than before the mini-cog swap. The high gear is ridable 
now vs. unridable before, any only 3 skips in 5 miles (but all downhill, so 
it went buy fast). I'll perhaps play wight he limiter screws and see if 
it's just not quite over enough. But I'm not going to spend too much time 
on it since I'm shifting to a 9-speed cassette shortly.

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[RBW] Re: Dura Ace 7400 group, parted out

[Mike K.]

Crank and BB - SOLD

On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:10:34 PM UTC-5, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Here is the 7400 group I posted about last week. Let me know if you want 
> it. All prices below include shipping to the lower 48. 
>
> Here's the link to the pictures:
>  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/120965275@N06/sets/72157642650175245/
> The group consists of:
> 7410 Crankset, 39/53 - $130 - includes the bottom bracket
> VO 103mm Bottom bracket for above crank - sealed cartridge, maybe 100 
> miles on it
> 7403 Brakes - $100
> 7401 Brake levers. Have hoods, but not official Dura Ace. They're newer 
> Shimano hoods I bought on Rivendell's site hoping they would fit. They're 
> close, but not exact. - $80
> 7402 Rear derailleur 8-speed - $80
> 7400 Front derailleur - $50
> 7400 Hubs laced to Matrix Rims, 32-spoke, with rim tape and skewers - $210
> Dura Ace 8-speed Cassette, 13-23 - $25 - Will include for free with 
> wheelset if you want it.
> BS7700 Bar End Shifters with Pods and downtube cable stops - $60
>
> If you want a couple of items, I can combine shipping. 
>
> Just let me know.
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[RBW] Re: test ride for a friend

[Michael]

>
>  Not close, but:
>
 

> I live in the Baltimore, Maryland area, and have a 55 Albatross 
> bar Bleriot, if that helps.
>
 
I assume that the Cheviot would not ride much different than an Albatrossed 
Rivendell of comparable size and weight. Maybe I am wrong.
But if you all are in the area you all are welcome to test that bike out.

If you have an upright build Rivendell, I am sure she would get the 
Riv-feel from that bike, too.



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[RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

[Garth]

 The best Lube to me is none of them !  

 For me, The best system would be no lube required, no cleaning required. 
Never sqeeks, never rusts, never wears out . *The forever chain* !

  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Lynne Fitz]

I just saw that!  Have you done a rando ride before?  If not (ignore if you 
know this already), we all start at the same time, bring a pencil and ziploc 
bag for your card, and don't lose your card :-)

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[RBW] Re: Jamboree Ride Recon: 680 Trail

[Evan Baird]

You put those Hetres through their paces!

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:47:28 AM UTC-7, Irving (boyzonthehoods.com) 
wrote:
>
> Really fun ride that was lead by Manny. Definitely did some underbiking 
> this weekend...
>
> Route GPS files proved that the NSA is probably tracking our bike 
> movements: http://www.strava.com/activities/127682893
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Chris Chen]

I'm registered. :|


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> absolutely!  Want to ride out to the coast and back on Saturday?
> http://www.orrandonneurs.org/rba/2014/ThreeCapes_14/ThreeCapes_14_info.html
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Lynne Fitz]

absolutely!  Want to ride out to the coast and back on Saturday?
http://www.orrandonneurs.org/rba/2014/ThreeCapes_14/ThreeCapes_14_info.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chain lube/wax

[Patrick Moore]

"I hear the lube you should use depends on where you live."

This is absolutely true. I myself would never use paraffin (or White
Lightning and such types, for that matter) in a rainy climate.

Second received axiom: Wax-type lubes are nothing like waxing with
paraffin. Amen. Mediate on this axiom for 7 days. Wipe and ride.

Lastly: one great benefit of waxing (with melted paraffin) is that you can
add color. A friend donated all her ornamental candle ends and I made some
very nice mixes in pink with elusive cinnamon scent. (ATF also gives the
wax a nice pink color.)


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Chain-L No.5 is a petroleum based lube. It smells kind of like motor oil
>> to me. Its not overpowering. You can just smell it while standing near the
>> bike while in the garage. Not while riding, of course.
>>
>
>
>> Chanel No.5, on the other hand can probably be scent-sampled at any local
>> department store. :)
>>
>
> I really, really like the fact that I can go for so long without re-lubing.
>
> I live in Maryland, which is *not* a dusty, dry place. Green. Rains about
> once a week in Spring, Summer, and Fall. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
>
> I hear the lube you should use depends on where you live. Like dry lube
> for dusty zones, and wet lube for wet zones, or something like that. I
> can't remember exactly.
>
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Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/16/2014 12:30 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:


Lastly, don't conflate waxing with "wax type" lubrication. The whole 
point and benefit of waxing with paraffin or paraffin mixes is that it 
*does not*, repeat: *does not* create a coat on the outside of the 
chain. That much, at very least, is a proven and clear benefit of wax. 
That, in fact, is the entire and whole point of waxing.




???  Doing nothing at all to the chain will also *not* repeat *not* 
create a coat on the outside of the chain.  If that is the sole point 
and benefit of waxing, you can get the same result far more easily, with 
no "boiling" involved by mere inaction.



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[RBW] Arkel GT18's Panniers pair

[hsmitham]

Hi Folks,

I apologize for the re post I had these up for sale a while ago then let it 
lapse. Here's the Craigslist post.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/4425202112.html

Though it say's local only I'll ship to you folks in the lower 48.

They are lightly used and have plenty of capacity contact me off list.

~H

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Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

[Patrick Moore]

Even as someone who is abandoning chain waxing, let me play devil's
advocate. If you are going to disprove waxing, at least let it be done for
the correct reasons.

"Boiling" need not be complex at all; it is easier in fact than removing,
scrubbing, replacing, and oiling. With a master link and a crockpot, it's
easier than any method except the "wipe, apply, wipe" method.

Further, I don't know that paraffin does not remain inside the links; there
are people who claim to get consistent 4-5K miles out of waxed chains in
varied conditions and use it faithfully for this very reason.

Lastly, don't conflate waxing with "wax type" lubrication. The whole point
and benefit of waxing with paraffin or paraffin mixes is that it *does
not*, repeat: *does not* create a coat on the outside of the chain. That
much, at very least, is a proven and clear benefit of wax. That, in fact,
is the entire and whole point of waxing.



On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Zack B  wrote:

>
>
>
> The problem with wax lubes is that boiling your chain in wax is a major
> pain in the ass, and while the wax lubes do a good job of staying on the
> outside of the chain (where lubricant is not actually needed), they quickly
> wear off the inside parts of the chain (where the lubricant is needed).
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best chain lube - ever

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree. The variety of my experience probably hasn't been as broad
as Bobby's, but it is broad enough -- and I still get only ~2K miles out of
cheap chains, fixed. For me, in a dry, dusty climate, I think the
occasional "wiped, drip, wipe" method is as good as any other. This has at
least the benefit of requiring no chain removal.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Montclair BobbyB <
montclairbob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After years of experimenting with Nashbar wax-in-a-can, my own home-brew
> wax with PFTE, every imaginable dry-lube, ice wax, etc.. I have come to the
> conclusion that I mostly wasted my time, and that a basic general lube is
> best... I now use compressor oil (although I think I may try bar oil...
> that is, in about 5 years when my quart of compressor oil finally runs
> out.. :)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best chain lube - ever

[dougP]

Yet another bicycle bubble burst.  (Heavy sigh...)

dougP

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:21:59 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

> *Those familiar with Phil's Tenacious Oil will find Bar Oil remarkably 
> similar *Except the price!
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:46:36 PM UTC-4, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote:
>>
>> Those familiar with Phil's Tenacious Oil will find Bar Oil remarkably 
>> similar.
>> Chris
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Fenders.....

[Zack]

Hey Marcus!

We have similar approaches.  

I had a Sam first, then I added a Hunq, for pretty much exactly the same 
reason you outlined and took the same approach, lightening up the Sam.  I 
have the 60MM berthoud fenders and use Rock and Road tires on the Hunq.  I 
actually just took the berthouds off, as I am putting on a big front rack 
to replace the marks/platrack I was running before.  There was tons of 
clearance between those fenders and the rock and roads, so much so that, 
even when riding in muck that pulls up under the fender, i didn't have to 
stop and pick it out with a stick.

I will probably get longboards when I re-fender the Hunq and rehome the 
berthouds.  

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Hundred Mile Burger

[Manuel Acosta]

Watch it chris
Those long rides are slippery slopes to Randonerding. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best chain lube - ever

[Montclair BobbyB]

*Those familiar with Phil's Tenacious Oil will find Bar Oil remarkably 
similar *Except the price!


On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:46:36 PM UTC-4, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote:
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> Those familiar with Phil's Tenacious Oil will find Bar Oil remarkably 
> similar.
> Chris
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[RBW] Hunqapillar Fenders.....

[Marc Irwin]

I have a 54cm Hunq and use 50-622 Schwalbe Big Ben with SKS Velo 55 fenders.  
No problems with clearance and those tires are great for the Hunq.

Marc

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[RBW] Re: FS: Albatross bars, shims, Shimano 9 bar end shfiters, Brooks B17 standard honey with cover and VO saddle goo

[eflayer]

all parts, including shims, now sold.
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:20:34 PM UTC-7, eflayer wrote:
>
> Albatross bars, cromo, 25.4, nice used, a couple of marks. $45 shipped.
> Brooks B17 standard honey brown, nice used, no nicks or gouges, includes 
> new Brooks nylon cover, and barely touched tub of VO saddle goo. $75 
> shipped.
> Shimano 9 bar end shifters, used with some scratches on outside edges of 
> pods, $55 shipped.
>  
> I also have shims:
> one set to fit 25.4 bars with 26.0 stem. 
> another set to fit 25.4 with 31.8 stem. $5 each set shipped.
>  
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell poster by David Lance Goines $50 shipped

[joe kelly]

bump
lowering my price to $40 shipped.
thanks
joe 

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> hi
> i have an unused DLG poster of child with bike. it has the process 
> explanation paperwork and the original box from rivendell.
> thanks for your time
> joe kelly
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[RBW] Re: FS: Albatross bars, shims, Shimano 9 bar end shfiters, Brooks B17 standard honey with cover and VO saddle goo

[eflayer]

All parts are sold except the two sets of shims.
 
Thanks to all who expressed interest.
On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:20:34 PM UTC-7, eflayer wrote:

> Albatross bars, cromo, 25.4, nice used, a couple of marks. $45 shipped.
> Brooks B17 standard honey brown, nice used, no nicks or gouges, includes 
> new Brooks nylon cover, and barely touched tub of VO saddle goo. $75 
> shipped.
> Shimano 9 bar end shifters, used with some scratches on outside edges of 
> pods, $55 shipped.
>  
> I also have shims:
> one set to fit 25.4 bars with 26.0 stem. 
> another set to fit 25.4 with 31.8 stem. $5 each set shipped.
>  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

[Eric Platt]

Used to use Phil's in winter here in Minnesota as it was one of the few
that didn't wash off immediately.  Stopped using it when it became obvious
that the tenacious oil not only sticks, but lets things like sand, salt and
other abrasives stick just as well to the chain.  Not only did I ruin a
chain each winter, also a freewheel and chainring.  (This was back in the
1980's when still in college.)  Nowadays, I'm not as picky.  During wet
weather or winter will grab whatever lube is closest.  Bioshield is
excellent.  But have used many of the others just because I have bottles
sitting on a shelf.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Zack B  wrote:

>
> Riding year round in SF and PDX, I have experimented with almost every
> chain lube available in extremely wet conditions.
>
> The problem with wax lubes is that boiling your chain in wax is a major
> pain in the ass, and while the wax lubes do a good job of staying on the
> outside of the chain (where lubricant is not actually needed), they quickly
> wear off the inside parts of the chain (where the lubricant is needed).
>
> The best solution that I have found is a combination of a heavy oil, such
> as chainsaw oil or Phil's, and a light oil, such as WD-40.
>
> The advantage of a heavy oil is that it will stay inside the chain for
> much longer than a light oil will, especially on a chain that is being
> soaked in the rain. The problem is getting it inside the chain where it is
> needed, rather than all over the chain, the chainstay, and your legs, where
> it is a nasty mess.
>
> The simple solution is to coat the chain with WD-40 first, thus creating a
> thin film of light oil that allows the heavy oil to slip easily into the
> pivot, and then to wipe the outside of the chain off. You don't need any
> more than a single drop of heavy oil per pivot.
>
> The other option is Boeshield. This creates a tacky film much like a chain
> wax. It does not lubricate as well as a heavy oil, but stays on the chain
> much longer and will likely protect it better against rust.
>
>
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Fenders.....

[Deacon Patrick]

Marcus,

I run a 2.25" Smart Sam from and a 2.1" back (that will hopefully change to 
2.25" when I change the BB to 113 from 107 mm and the chain line moves more 
outboard and eliminates the occasional chain/tire rub on the trail -- was 
fine on roads). I plan on running Woodys Chop Chort Fenders (made longer 
and with stays added) so they needn't mess with clearances). I'll post 
results once I get them.

With abandon,
Patrick  

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:19:37 PM UTC-6, Marcus80 wrote:
>
> I have a 62 cm Hunqapillar and am wondering what is the widest non knobby 
> tire/ fender combo you've had luck with. My tange headset needs replacing 
> and my feeling is a CK 2Nut unless there is a strong Cane Creek 110 rec. 
> I've got some Rich Lesnik built OC 36h Synergies laced to LX hubs that I'll 
> be replacing with a Schmidt and either a White MI5 or a Phil Wood rear 40h 
> on Dyads. The wheelset may be FS but not until I get the new ones. I 
> bought  an AHH and have loaded it down for touring and it is exceptional, 
> particularly in the heft department. My thought is that I would use Hunqy 
> for really off the beaten path and touring duty and make an attempt to 
> "lighten" up the HIlsen. The Hilsen currently has the dyad/phil/son28 set 
> up, so ostensibly I could switch those wheels to the HUnq and build 
> something lighter for it. I am however six and a third feet tall and 275 
> after an extensive tasting menu that started around Halloween, 2013. Any 
> and all help would be appreciated. Thank you so muchMark
>

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