[RBW] FS: Green 58 Rambouillet f/f/hs/bb $800

[Michael]

Pretty frame!

I would not include my address or anyone else's in the listing, just for your 
safety and theirs.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

[Addisonwilhite]

Often the stations will have used boxes that they'll let you use for free. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> 
> Ah good to know.
> 
> ~Hugh
> 
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” 
> ― Albert Einstein
> 
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Shawn Granton 
>>  wrote:
>> There is a $10 fee to check a boxed bike, besides the cost of the box. So 
>> box plus fee is $25.
>> Shawn
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014 7:07 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:
>>> No extra charge as far as I can tell.
>>> 
>>> ~Hugh
>>> 
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>> 
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
 Peter,
 
 The box is $15 and yes it's checked luggage. You can only do checked 
 luggage from certain (large) stations. It is recommended to call the 
 station and ask if they have boxes & tape. The pathlesspedaled recommends 
 bringing a black Sharpe to write on the box & tape. When I looked into 
 traveling with my bike from the Bay Area it's all buses out of the city 
 that run you to the Coast Starlight et al. 
 
 ~Hugh
 
 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein
 
 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
 
 
 
 
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Peter Morgano  
> wrote:
> How does that work, is the box considered checked luggage? If not is 
> there an extra charge? Thanks.
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014 8:13 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:
>> Got it:
>> 
>> Amtrak Bike Box Dimensions: 69"x 41" X 8.5" 
>> 
>> ~Hugh
>> 
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>> 
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>>> wrote:
>>> Doug,
>>> 
>>> I was just about to email a pathlesspedaled. Do you know the length 
>>> dimension of the Amtrak bike box? I now have the Albastache bars on the 
>>> Atlantis and I kept the cables somewhat tight to the bars. I can rotate 
>>> them but removal would be near impossible. I'd like to measure the bike 
>>> length with the bars turned and check against the box dimension. 
>>> Otherwise I'd need to re-wrap the bars!
>>> 
>>> ~Hugh
>>> 
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>> 
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:36 PM, dougP  wrote:
 Hugh:
 
 The Amtrak packing process is super user friendly.  The boxes are 
 HUGE.  Remove the pedals.  Turn the bars 90 degrees.  Roll bike into 
 box.  No wheel removal or other futzing.  Nitto drops with bar end 
 shifters fit but I may have loosened the clamp to allow rotation.  
 Check out a box at Union Station.  You'll be amazed.  I think you do 
 need to check luggage well ahead of train arrival & like you say you 
 don't want to be jammed for time.  
 
 dougP
 
 
> On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> Dude thanks so much for doing the reservations...I plan on being 
> down/up for the 12th & 13th. I was planning on catching the Coast 
> Starlight Monday morning. I could if the Riv fever has me leave 
> Tuesday morning?? Anyway I'm down for two nights at CC. I will of 
> course reimburse for my portion. 
> 
> Anyone have a space for me potentially Sunday night around Oakland 
> Jack London Square so I can get up early to pack my bike and catch 
> the train?
> 
> ~Hugh
> 
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
> 
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M.  wrote:
>> As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China 
>> Camp for 2 nights, July 12 & 13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, 
>> I've reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 
>> 14th. I assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even 
>> some informal camping in the backcountry for Monday. 
>> 
>> Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has 
>> RBW all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk 
>> will be forthcoming.
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

[Anne Paulson]

I'm in for the first two nights. I'd love to help cook.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp for
> 2 nights, July 12 & 13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've reserved a
> 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I assume there
> will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal camping in the
> backcountry for Monday.
>
> Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW
> all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be
> forthcoming.
>
> For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're
> really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more
> than that, we should get another campsite or two.
>
> I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for something
> (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let me know
> that too.
>
> cheers
> jim
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

[stonehog]

Correction - Smitty and I will be leaving Monday.  Sign us up for China 
Camp only.  

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:43:42 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> Jim - count me in.  I'll likely be there all three nights.  I'll be 
> driving the SEA -> PDX -> SFO ferry pickup.  I have 2 riders (Smitty and 
> Hugh) south, but could probably fit a 4th.  Only 1 other (Smitty) returning 
> north at this point, so if anyone else needs a ride, let me know.
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:19:10 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp 
>> for 2 nights, July 12 & 13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've 
>> reserved a 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I 
>> assume there will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal 
>> camping in the backcountry for Monday. 
>>
>> Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW 
>> all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be 
>> forthcoming.
>>
>> For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're 
>> really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more 
>> than that, we should get another campsite or two.
>>
>> I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for 
>> something (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let 
>> me know that too.
>>
>> cheers
>> jim 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Bill Lindsay]

That's why you buy by the stack.  Or that's the reason I buy by the stack.  
A lot of places, including Chain Reaction (and Rivendell), do free shipping 
when you spend a decent amount of money.  I'd never order a single chain on 
the internet.  You might as well pay retail at the LBS if you are only 
going to buy them one at a time.  

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:49:01 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 06/04/2014 07:26 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>  
> I have a stack of these: 
>
>  good cheap 8 speed chain 
> 
>
>  and a stack of these:
>
>  good cheap 9 speed chain 
> 
>  
>
> $25 ea when you figure in the shipping; admittedly, < $30 but a long way 
> from $13, too
>
>
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: My 71 cm AHH

[Joe K.]

Beautiful bike Jim! Love the fenders, I think I'm going to add a set next 
winter (although last winter I think it only rained five days in SoCal). 
 Have you ever thought about going with a shorter stem to move the Noodles 
closer to you?  I can definitely say that I have totally fallen in love 
with the Albatross bars. I used to have multiple race bikes (all too small) 
with drop bars, then had a back surgery and sold them all!  I had initially 
planned on going with drops with the AHH until Keven suggested the 
Albatross.  I have to admit that the Albatross bars are great, I can reach 
and grab the front of them if I want to get semi-aggressive, but can be 
totally upright on the grips around town, super comfy.  My PBH is 98.5.  

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:36:54 AM UTC-7, Jim wrote:
>
> You bet!
>
> http://1drv.ms/TdhxFK
>
> I've since sold the platrack and front bag to a list member.
>
> http://1drv.ms/TdhLN9
>
> http://1drv.ms/1pRdMAz
>
> I'm thinking about trying Boscos or Albastaches with it, as the reach with 
> noodles is a bit long, even for my long torso.  I like the look of yours.  
> Just curious, what is your PBH?  (mine is 100 even)
>
> Jim in Boulder
>
>
> On Monday, June 2, 2014 10:17:46 PM UTC-6, Joe K. wrote:
>
>> Jim-
>>
>> Do you have any pics of your Homer with the Noodles?  Would love to see 
>> it!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Ron Mc]

I think the BG half-clips really look fine, but my daughter rides 
half-clips on one bike and hers are nylon, we both ride Ale's on our 
go-fast bikes, and I ride Grip Kings on my utility bike.  Maybe one day 
I'll have the bike for them.  

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:10:40 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
>
> I love my BG half toe clips on White Industries pedals. 
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Matthew J > 
> wrote:
>
> > Either ride flats or clip in.
>
> Says you.  
>
> I am a huge fan of Bruce Gordon half clips.  They are on all of my bikes.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV & The Oregon Outback

[Anne Paulson]

So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example,
the Schwalbe Super-Motos?


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:

> My 42 mm Compass Babyshoe Pass Extralight tires were great on 85% of the
> gravel sections. There were a number of places where the gravel was very
> sandy and soft, where everybody seemed to have trouble. Wider tires would
> have been useful there.
>
> On the other hand, 30% of the ride was on paved roads, where any knobbies
> would slow you down considerably. It's no coincidence that the two fastest
> finishers were on road tires (38 and 42 mm wide). My current hypothesis is
> that wider high-performance road tires (if they were in fact available)
> would be ideal for this event, but considering the currently available
> options, I'd choose the same tires again if I was going for a fast time.
>
> Jan Heine
> Compass Bicycles Ltd.
> www.compasscycle.com
>
> Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:46:17 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>> Jan said after the ride that he would have preferred something fatter
>> than 42 mm for the dirt sections. I think a low profile knobby in like
>> 52-56 mm wide would be ideal. Schwalbe makes some super plush XC racing
>> tires like the Thunder Burt that would be great  for this ride. I know of a
>> few people who used these and were very pleased with the performance on
>> this ride.
>>
>> ~mike
>> Carlsbad Ca.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon
>>> Outback.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?
>>> set=a.10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016&type=1
>>>
>>> What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9" smooth
>>> Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and
>>> the 3" tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.
>>>
>>> Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe Pass
>>> tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and disc
>>> brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann  wrote:
>>>
 When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't
 want to go it alone.

 Mike


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:
>
> Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?
>
> Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
> input.
>
> An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...
>
> Thanks y'all.
>
> -ant
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Re: [RBW] Re: My 71 cm AHH

[Joe K.]

Beautiful bike Jim! Love the fenders, I think I'm going to add a set as winter 
approaches (although last winter I think it only rained five days in SoCal).  
Have you ever thought about going with a shorter stem to move the Noodles 
closer to you?  I can definitely say that I have totally fallen in love with 
the Albatross bars. I used to have multiple race bikes (all too small), then 
had a back surgery and sold them all!  The Albatross bars are great, I can 
reach and grab the front of them if I want to get semi-aggressive, but can be 
totally upright on the grips around town, super comfy.  My PBH is 98.5.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Tim Gavin]

Ooh ooh can we get a 650 x 35-38 knobby?  I'd like to further underbike my
Riv Road, which won't fit a 650 x 42b.


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I would like it if Panaracer made something less expensive in the 38-42mm
> size, in 650b.  700x38 Pasela would be great but I don't own a bike that
> has clearance for that.
> On Jun 4, 2014 8:51 PM, "Dave Johnston"  wrote:
>
>> How much larger? I don't think we need another 42mm at this point. A
>> 45-47mm would be cool though.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:23:30 PM UTC-4, Evan Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way, I've been asking them to make the Pari Moto tread in a
>>> larger size, so if that's something you want email them and let them know
>>> that I'm not just a crazy person. You can also tweet at Jeff @panaracerjeff
>>>
>>> http://www.panaracer.com/contact.php
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Jim Bronson]

I would like it if Panaracer made something less expensive in the 38-42mm
size, in 650b.  700x38 Pasela would be great but I don't own a bike that
has clearance for that.
On Jun 4, 2014 8:51 PM, "Dave Johnston"  wrote:

> How much larger? I don't think we need another 42mm at this point. A
> 45-47mm would be cool though.
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:23:30 PM UTC-4, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>> By the way, I've been asking them to make the Pari Moto tread in a larger
>> size, so if that's something you want email them and let them know that I'm
>> not just a crazy person. You can also tweet at Jeff @panaracerjeff
>>
>> http://www.panaracer.com/contact.php
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Dan McNamara]

I love my BG half toe clips on White Industries pedals. 



> On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Matthew J  wrote:
> 
> > Either ride flats or clip in.
> 
> Says you.  
> 
> I am a huge fan of Bruce Gordon half clips.  They are on all of my bikes.
> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Carradice Duxback Poncho - Opinions?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Thanks, all for the testimonials... looking forward to my next rain ride...
BB

On Sunday, June 1, 2014 6:49:03 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Shinefeld wrote:
>
> Hi Bobby, I've had a Duxback poncho for years. With spats I stay dry and 
> it's my choice for cold rainy days with a light layer underneath. It is 
> less wonderful in high winds, acting like a sail.  Of course with the wind 
> at my back, I get where I'm going lickety split. That said, I just ordered 
> a Showers Pass Touring rain jacket on clearance from the manufacturer for 
> half price ($75). 
> Jon
> PhillyPA

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Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Matthew J]

> Umm, are you fucking kidding me?

You thought those were worth cursing Bruce Gordon?  The MKS look exactly 
like the King Cages.  Every detail.  Both are easily distinguished from the 
old French clips.  

I'm with Bruce on this.  King does great work.  He and his wife run a great 
operation.  Cannot think of any reason to go MKS.

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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Dave Johnston]

How much larger? I don't think we need another 42mm at this point. A 
45-47mm would be cool though.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:23:30 PM UTC-4, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> By the way, I've been asking them to make the Pari Moto tread in a larger 
> size, so if that's something you want email them and let them know that I'm 
> not just a crazy person. You can also tweet at Jeff @panaracerjeff
>
> http://www.panaracer.com/contact.php
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[RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Matthew J]

> Either ride flats or clip in.

Says you.  

I am a huge fan of Bruce Gordon half clips.  They are on all of my bikes.


>
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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 07:26 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I have a stack of these:

good cheap 8 speed chain 



and a stack of these:

good cheap 9 speed chain 



$25 ea when you figure in the shipping; admittedly, < $30 but a long way 
from $13, too



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[RBW] Re: WTB: your old beat-up components

[Montclair BobbyB]

Please post pics  

On Monday, June 2, 2014 2:25:24 AM UTC-4, Christopher Miller Rosales wrote:
>
> Hey all!
>
> Thank you for those who got in touch. I've decided to do very minor 
> adjustments to the bike to make it fit my riding better, but to keep most 
> of the original component group. The Suntour is too beautiful not to use!
>
> -Chris
>
> On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:54:51 AM UTC-7, Christopher Miller Rosales 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey All!
>>
>> I picked up a beautiful 1985 Specialized Sequoia with pristine Suntour 
>> Superbe/Cyclone components. The bike is an absolute joy to ride and I'm 
>> making it my every day bike, but I feel guilty using these super high 
>> polish parts on a commuter. I've decided to box most of the original 
>> components and put on a more utilitarian group.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any of the following in your parts box!
>>
>> Quill stem 120 - 130mm, 25.4
>> Crankset -  single or double road, matching front derailleur
>> Nitto Albatross or similar upright bar
>> Short Pull Levers
>> Thumb shifters - friction/7/8 speed
>> Commuter wheelset, 700c 130mm cassette
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for quality, but ugly components - like old beat-up XT. Thank 
>> you all for the help on building my new bike, message me if you have 
>> anything. I can't wait to make this my budget commuter Rivendell! Will post 
>> pics when done.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Chris
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Crepitus clunking from bb?

[Conway Bennett]

So it's my rear hub.  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Mike Schiller]

They must not have released them for sale in the US yet. I can't find any 
reference to them, even on Panaracers website.

~mike

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:17:19 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> Once we got them to make the c-lines they reintroduced the pasella in 38c 
> as well. Its the same mold with different casing.

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Re: [RBW] Quick question on the Cheviot

[Eric Daume]

The long chainstays will make it more difficult to loft the front wheel
over logs, etc.

Eric
Dublin, OH
bikingtoplay.blogspot.com


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:43 PM, JL  wrote:

> Wouldn't the extra long chainstays be prohibitive to riding anything too
> technical?  I have very little experience with MTBs.
>
> Jason
> SF,CA
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:02 AM, RJM  wrote:
>
> It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my mind.
> Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot?
>
> I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a mountain
> bike with albas.
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[RBW] FS: Green 58 Rambouillet f/f/hs/bb $800

[allenmichael]

Green Rambouillet in San Francsico. I have an Orange (persimmon) that I 
love. I bought this intending to build it up as a 650b, but I've decided 
that I have too many projects going.

Here is a link to the craiglist ad and a few pictures.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/4504743554.html

Thanks for looking,

Michael Allen

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Re: [RBW] Re: I "raced" my Riv.

[Chris Chen]

what happened to your bottom bracket?


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Wildcat96  wrote:

> Tony, you were not the only Riv in the Dirty Kanza this year.  I was
> riding my new Sage Green 650B Sam in the Half Pint and saw you pass me when
> we first hit gravel.  I also saw your Atlantis outside the theatre Friday
> night and had to take a pic since I figured the Rivs would be few and far
> between in the DK.  Unfortunately, I had to drop out at the water stop 28
> miles in because my bottom bracket went out.  I was really disappointed
> since I probably had less than 200 miles on the Sam and was just getting in
> to the fun part of the race.  I will say the 28 miles I rode were tough and
> I'm not sure I could of made the full 111.  This was my first endurance
> event, but definitely not my first time on gravel.  My goal was to at least
> make it to the 59 mile checkpoint.  The guys I rode with that finished were
> pretty beat up.  I can't imagine doing 200.  FWIW, most of the guys I rode
> with were running Clements MSO 40mm or Surly Knards and did not have any
> flats.  I was running the Force Field Fatty Rumpkins and also had no
> problems.  I can't believe how many people were flatting!
>
> Chad in KC
>
>
> On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:21:13 PM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>
>> My Atlantis was not the only Rivendell in the Almonzo 100, but I am
>> pretty sure that there was not another Riv in the Dirty Kanza 200 or Half
>> Pint.  The bike performed flawlessly except for my sloppy friction
>> shifting.   About a year ago, I drove up to Spring Valley, MN and rode with
>> Jim Thill and a bunch of country bike cyclist on the Almonzo 100 course.
>>  After that experience, I decided that gravel was a lot safer and more
>> scenic than riding on pavement.  I built a Surly LHT into a gravel grinder
>> and started riding with Guitar Ted on Saturday mornings for a 3-hour gravel
>> ride.  I found the Atlantis on this forum and realized that it was a much
>> nicer ride than the Trucker; the Surly has been hanging in the garage since.
>>
>> I wasn't out to win, just finish.  I haven't heard where I placed in the
>> Almonzo, but I finished the DK Half Pint in the top 1/4 of the starters and
>> the top 1/3 of the finishers.  I carried too much stuff, and should have
>> run lower air pressure in the tires.  I was afraid of pinch flats on the
>> cattle grates, but I was able to wheelie or hop the bike over most of them.
>>  After the race, one of the more experienced riders suggested 35# in the
>> front and 40# in the back; I was running 45# in both of the Schwalbe Dureme
>> 700cX40.  I am looking forward to trying the Half Pint (111 miles) again
>> next year, but I doubt if I will ever do the 200.  After 8 hours of gravel,
>> wind, hills, heat, and sun, I am ready to get off of the bike.
>>
>>
>> 
>> I love this bike and really love passing guys half my age on carbon fiber
>> 'cross bikes...
>>
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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Evan Baird]

Once we got them to make the c-lines they reintroduced the pasella in 38c as 
well. Its the same mold with different casing.

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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Mike Schiller]

I am curious about that... I've never seen or heard of a Pasela in 38 mm. 
 The largest in 700C is 37.Maybe just a slip up or maybe they were 
C-lines?

and he was 2 hours ahead... quite a gap in my book.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:25:00 PM UTC-7, velomann wrote:
>
> I also want to point out that Ira Ryan - who finished the Oregon Outback 
> mostly gravel ride with the best time, just ahead of Jan - was riding the 
> "lowly" Panaracer Pasela Tourguard 700x38. 
>

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[RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

[Mike Schiller]

 ... for most of the cycling world the toe clip is long dead.  Either ride 
flats or clip in.

Now that tire ... one of the best designs ever and still used by a wide 
variety of riders. ( not just retro-grouches) 

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Re: South Florida Betty Foy owners ?

[Victoria]

Thanks for the replies.   At present I am riding a semi recumbent which is 
not working for my back, funny (not so funny) enough I injured my back in a 
mountain bike accident ending in a back surgery so it has been tricky to 
find something that works,  Legs extended on a bent or semi recumbent ends 
up putting pressure on the lower spine more than I thought, good for short 
rides but not long ones.   I had one little DF trek that absolutely killed 
my back, was too bent over for it and was pretty jarring.  I ride what ever 
and then drag myself to the chiropractor who yells at me and then I ride 
again.  I just wanna have fun and be able to keep up with groups (not 
spandex racing groups, just fun people that prefer bikes to cars)Backs 
are funny things, what works for one will not work for another so clearly 
trying the bike would tell me everything but looks like that may not be an 
option and I may need to roll the dice and just do it.   

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:26:24 PM UTC-4, Victoria wrote:
>
> I know that this is a long shot but wondering if anyone in the vicinity 
> has a Betty Foy/ Yves/ Cheviot that I could sit on?   It's so intimidating 
> to order without checking it out, I have a tricky back and want to see if 
> the geometry works for me prior to shipping one down here.   If not I will 
> have to take the plunge like everyone else who is not local.:)  
>
> Thanks  
> V. 
>

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[RBW] Re: South Florida Betty Foy owners ?

[Victoria]

Thanks for that!  I blew a disc out on a mountain bike accident and ended 
up needing surgery and its been a little tricky finding something that 
works.  I rode recumbents for a bit and have a semi recumbent but it seems 
to be nailing a nerve and throwing my back way out.   Typically diamond 
frame bikes have been hard on me but something about this bike makes me 
think it could work.  I could love it dearly and my back could hate it.   
Hopefully I can sit on one, if not then I will have to roll the dice.  :) 


On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:21:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> If you aren't able to try one out before hand, rest assured Rivendell 
> knows what they are doing with sizing. Grant nailed my bike sizing, and I 
> also has a specific challenge to overcome (vertigo -- with me being unable 
> to ride any of the trial bikes more than a few miles). I can ride my Riv. 
> as far as my carcass is able, the vertigo is a non-issue on the bike. 
> They'll take excellent care of you.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 12:26:24 PM UTC-6, Victoria wrote:
>>
>> I know that this is a long shot but wondering if anyone in the vicinity 
>> has a Betty Foy/ Yves/ Cheviot that I could sit on?   It's so intimidating 
>> to order without checking it out, I have a tricky back and want to see if 
>> the geometry works for me prior to shipping one down here.   If not I will 
>> have to take the plunge like everyone else who is not local.:)  
>>
>> Thanks  
>> V. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I "raced" my Riv.

[Wildcat96]

Tony, you were not the only Riv in the Dirty Kanza this year.  I was riding 
my new Sage Green 650B Sam in the Half Pint and saw you pass me when we 
first hit gravel.  I also saw your Atlantis outside the theatre Friday 
night and had to take a pic since I figured the Rivs would be few and far 
between in the DK.  Unfortunately, I had to drop out at the water stop 28 
miles in because my bottom bracket went out.  I was really disappointed 
since I probably had less than 200 miles on the Sam and was just getting in 
to the fun part of the race.  I will say the 28 miles I rode were tough and 
I'm not sure I could of made the full 111.  This was my first endurance 
event, but definitely not my first time on gravel.  My goal was to at least 
make it to the 59 mile checkpoint.  The guys I rode with that finished were 
pretty beat up.  I can't imagine doing 200.  FWIW, most of the guys I rode 
with were running Clements MSO 40mm or Surly Knards and did not have any 
flats.  I was running the Force Field Fatty Rumpkins and also had no 
problems.  I can't believe how many people were flatting!

Chad in KC

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:21:13 PM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:

> My Atlantis was not the only Rivendell in the Almonzo 100, but I am pretty 
> sure that there was not another Riv in the Dirty Kanza 200 or Half Pint. 
>  The bike performed flawlessly except for my sloppy friction shifting.   
> About a year ago, I drove up to Spring Valley, MN and rode with Jim Thill 
> and a bunch of country bike cyclist on the Almonzo 100 course.  After that 
> experience, I decided that gravel was a lot safer and more scenic than 
> riding on pavement.  I built a Surly LHT into a gravel grinder and started 
> riding with Guitar Ted on Saturday mornings for a 3-hour gravel ride.  I 
> found the Atlantis on this forum and realized that it was a much nicer ride 
> than the Trucker; the Surly has been hanging in the garage since.
>
> I wasn't out to win, just finish.  I haven't heard where I placed in the 
> Almonzo, but I finished the DK Half Pint in the top 1/4 of the starters and 
> the top 1/3 of the finishers.  I carried too much stuff, and should have 
> run lower air pressure in the tires.  I was afraid of pinch flats on the 
> cattle grates, but I was able to wheelie or hop the bike over most of them. 
>  After the race, one of the more experienced riders suggested 35# in the 
> front and 40# in the back; I was running 45# in both of the Schwalbe Dureme 
> 700cX40.  I am looking forward to trying the Half Pint (111 miles) again 
> next year, but I doubt if I will ever do the 200.  After 8 hours of gravel, 
> wind, hills, heat, and sun, I am ready to get off of the bike.
>
>
> 
> I love this bike and really love passing guys half my age on carbon fiber 
> 'cross bikes...
>

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[RBW] Someone here may be interested...

[L. J. Charlton]

My apologies if I am breaking protocol -- some groups do not like FS 
postings if the poster doesn't own the item -- but I thought there may be 
interest in the Pittsburgh Craigslist ad for a 66cm Qucikbeam.

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/bik/4486922091.html

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Pair of Soma Grand Randonneur 650b Tires

[Wildcat96]

Rock n' Roads 650b.  Whoo hoo I can't wait!

On Monday, June 2, 2014 12:29:09 PM UTC-5, bgcycles wrote:
>
> This is not a direct link to the question asked - but, since people read 
> about 650b tires here.
> Bruce Gordon Cycles is in the process of having our Rock n’ Road tires in 
> 650b x 43 size.
> They should be available for sale towards the end of the year - here is a 
> link to the 700c version - http://www.bgcycles.com/rock-n-road-tire.html
>
> Regards,
> Bruce Gordon
> www.bgcycles.com
> www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
> (707) 762-5601
>  
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Michael Ullmer  > wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a pair of Grand Randonneur tires sitting around they 
> would like to sell to a first-time 650b experimenter? I'm going to convert 
> my commuter to 650b and want a huge cushy tire to do it with. Contact me 
> off-list. Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: WTB: your old beat-up components

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

Life's too short to ride a crummy bike.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:03:29 PM UTC-4, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> Back in 2007, I bought a Bleriot frame, had S&S couplers installed, and 
> built it up.  My gruppo is the "shiny silver Shimano compatible" set.  It 
> looked very nice and shiny, and was meant to be my rando bike.  My 
> then-commuter/rando bike, a Sekai 2400, died a horrible death just before I 
> built up the Bleriot.  So Bleriot became my commute bike as well.
>
> Riding buddy: "you are going to commute on your RIVENDELL?"  Me: "it is a 
> bike.  get over it."
>
> 13000 miles later, one wreck (new tubes! new paint!), still going strong, 
> and it gets ridden everywhere.  And, yes, it does stick out a bit among all 
> the "commuter/beater" bikes.  I don't care.
>
> Message: enjoy your bike as is!
>
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Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Bruce Gordon]

Yes - those are the Nokio tires that were the inspiration for our Rock 'n Road 
tires.
They were no longer in production -  we made them a little different shape and 
tread and much lighter.
I have always given credit to those tires, in fact, I have one on display next 
to the RNR Tires.
There is nothing new in the bike business - my problem is when people copy 
parts that are currently made.
Check out the MKS Urban Platform Pedals - then check out the White Industries 
Urban Platform Pedals that MKS copied.
We made a Carbon Handlebar - http://www.bgcycles.com/carbon-handlebars.html - I 
got the idea for these bars from "The Data Book" - in fact they are on page 186 
- hence the name.
Regards,
Bruce Gordon
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On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:

> 
> Speaking of which, anybody remeber these?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/tag/650b/
> 
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34:47 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> The photo Evan attached is of a French toe clip made in the 1920s.  
> 
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:27:31 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
> Umm, are you fucking kidding me?
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pedalmuseum.straps
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:09:33 PM UTC-7, bgcycles wrote:
> Looks like they finally copied the King Cage ones that they took pictures of 
> 2 and 3  years ago at the King Cage Booth at Interbike.
> King Cage made them 4 years ago in Colorado USA.  MKS is the "King of Copys".
> If you want the originals check them out at - 
> http://kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html
> 
> Regards,
> Bruce Gordon
> www.bgcycles.com
> www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
> (707) 762-5601
> 
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
>> For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by MKS 
>> and Nitto
>>  
>> http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html
>>  
>> Rather elegant...I have to say
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Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Speaking of which, anybody remeber these?




http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/tag/650b/

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:34:47 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The photo Evan attached is of a French toe clip made in the 1920s.  
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:27:31 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>>
>> Umm, are you fucking kidding me?
>>
>> 
>> http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pedalmuseum.straps
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:09:33 PM UTC-7, bgcycles wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like they finally copied the King Cage ones that they took 
>>> pictures of 2 and 3  years ago at the King Cage Booth at Interbike.
>>> King Cage made them 4 years ago in Colorado USA.  MKS is the “King of 
>>> Copys”.
>>> If you want the originals check them out at - 
>>> http://kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bruce Gordon
>>> www.bgcycles.com
>>> www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
>>> (707) 762-5601
>>>  
>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by 
>>> MKS and Nitto
>>>  
>>> http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html
>>>  
>>> Rather elegant...I have to say
>>>
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Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Bill Lindsay]

The photo Evan attached is of a French toe clip made in the 1920s.  

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:27:31 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> Umm, are you fucking kidding me?
>
> 
> http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pedalmuseum.straps
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:09:33 PM UTC-7, bgcycles wrote:
>>
>> Looks like they finally copied the King Cage ones that they took pictures 
>> of 2 and 3  years ago at the King Cage Booth at Interbike.
>> King Cage made them 4 years ago in Colorado USA.  MKS is the “King of 
>> Copys”.
>> If you want the originals check them out at - 
>> http://kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bruce Gordon
>> www.bgcycles.com
>> www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
>> (707) 762-5601
>>  
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by 
>> MKS and Nitto
>>  
>> http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html
>>  
>> Rather elegant...I have to say
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Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Evan Baird]

Umm, are you fucking kidding me?


http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pedalmuseum.straps
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:09:33 PM UTC-7, bgcycles wrote:
>
> Looks like they finally copied the King Cage ones that they took pictures 
> of 2 and 3  years ago at the King Cage Booth at Interbike.
> King Cage made them 4 years ago in Colorado USA.  MKS is the “King of 
> Copys”.
> If you want the originals check them out at - 
> http://kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html
>
> Regards,
> Bruce Gordon
> www.bgcycles.com
> www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
> (707) 762-5601
>  
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ryan > wrote:
>
> For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by 
> MKS and Nitto
>  
> http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html
>  
> Rather elegant...I have to say
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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a stack of these:

good cheap 8 speed chain 


and a stack of these:

good cheap 9 speed chain 


I finally ponied up the $80 for a wipperman.because my daughter was 
doing a science project on how long it takes chains to rust.  I never even 
got to ride it!  :-(

but she got an A on her science project

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:51:45 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Wait, we're talking $13 chains here 
> On Jun 4, 2014 1:49 PM, "Steve Palincsar" > 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 06/04/2014 04:39 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>  
>> I ride on dirt roads, and do get caught in the rain.  When commuting I 
>> needed to remove my chain and throughly clean it every three weeks or so. 
>>  No, cleaning chains is not fun, but they are not comparable to paper 
>> towels. 
>>
>>  Michael
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:26:48 PM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote: 
>>>
>>> But what about this line of reasoning: 
>>>
>>>  Treat chains as disposable items; If you can afford it, replace your 
>>> chain more often; Expensive chains feel to me like buying super expensive 
>>> paper towels for blowing your nose.
>>>
>>>  I used to love cleaning chains but now I just like replacing them. :)
>>>  
>>>   
>> Especially not with chains running anywhere from $30 to over $100 each.  
>> I wouldn't call that "cheap" and I find it hard to regard anything that 
>> costs that much as a "disposable", not when it's so very simple to open a 
>> master link (Park makes some very nice pliers for this purpose), dunk the 
>> chain in a can of mineral spirits, hang it up to dry, and re-lube it, and 
>> extend the life of that chain.
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Re: [RBW] Quick question on the Cheviot

[JL]

Wouldn't the extra long chainstays be prohibitive to riding anything too 
technical?  I have very little experience with MTBs.

Jason
SF,CA

> On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:02 AM, RJM  wrote:
> 
> It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my mind. 
> Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot?
>  
> I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a mountain bike 
> with albas.
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RE: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

+1 for sure; I couldn't believe the blatant copy when I saw this.  And also, to 
speak to the comfort of the King Foot Cages, I installed a set on a pair of the 
White Urban pedals, and together it's absolutely the most comfortable foot 
retention combo I've ever ridden.  Looks great, too:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8088488196/in/set-72157630285823166/

And MUSA, by a guy who is GREAT to deal with.

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Cc: Ron Andrews
Subject: Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

Looks like they finally copied the King Cage ones that they took pictures of 2 
and 3  years ago at the King Cage Booth at Interbike.
King Cage made them 4 years ago in Colorado USA.  MKS is the "King of Copys".
If you want the originals check them out at - 
http://kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html

Regards,
Bruce Gordon
www.bgcycles.com
www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
(707) 762-5601

On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Ryan mailto:ryter...@mts.net>> 
wrote:


For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by MKS and 
Nitto

http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html

Rather elegant...I have to say

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Re: [RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Bruce Gordon]

Looks like they finally copied the King Cage ones that they took pictures of 2 
and 3  years ago at the King Cage Booth at Interbike.
King Cage made them 4 years ago in Colorado USA.  MKS is the "King of Copys".
If you want the originals check them out at - 
http://kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html

Regards,
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www.bgcycles.com
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(707) 762-5601

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> For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by MKS 
> and Nitto
>  
> http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html
>  
> Rather elegant...I have to say
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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Garth]

While I cannot comment on Panaracer tires from very limited exposure to 
them, I surely appreciate the Praise of them :)I mean .  .  .  
Appreciation for anything, regardless of the subject, is a most wonderful 
thing ! !  ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick question on the Cheviot

[Philip Williamson]

"There just aren't many great tire choices in 650b so I am being patient." 

People love the Ardents, and they come in 
27.5": 
http://www.artscyclery.com/Maxxis_Ardent_650B__275_Tire/descpage-MXARD7.html 
 
Pricepoint has some 120tpi 27.5" tires from Vee Rubber for $30. I have the 
Flying Vee in 700C/29", and they are fast, with small knobs. Easy tubeless. 
It looks like they do big sales on 26" and 29", but not 27.5". Sorry. 

I don't know if they'd fit the Cheviot, but... maybe. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


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>
> My wife has the Cheviot and we have not taken it mountain biking. It's an 
> all-rounder with thinner slicks at this point but we will probably add some 
> knobbies and test it out later this summer. There just aren't many great 
> tire choices in 650b so I am being patient. I know that Riv has a video on 
> their site with Keven putting it through the off road test and it seems to 
> handle the off road just fine. I think it's the same all roundish bike as 
> my Sam Hillborne. You can do almost anything on it you want. The 
> hunqapillar seems sturdier if you plan to ride mostly off road. That's what 
> I would get and still might someday.
>
>  
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:33 AM, RJM > wrote:
>
> Thanks, 
>  
> Another quick question.do y'all think this bike will make a good 
> mountain bike?  The stuff I am thinking of riding through is what is called 
> the canal loop, which is situated in land between the lakes in western 
> Kentucky. The trail is singletrack with some technical stuff and a lot of 
> up and down. The whole area is full of nice singletrack and wider dirt 
> trails and I would like a bike to ride on that. I thought about the 
> hunqapillar, but I think the mixte frame will allow greater 
> standover...plus I love the look of it. 
>  
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:19:32 AM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> It's a 650b for the 55cm 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote: 
>> > It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my 
>> mind. Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot? 
>> > 
>> >   
>> > 
>> > I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a 
>> mountain bike with albas. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick question on the Cheviot

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:03:19 PM UTC-4, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> My wife has the Cheviot and we have not taken it mountain biking. It's an 
> all-rounder with thinner slicks at this point but we will probably add some 
> knobbies and test it out later this summer. There just aren't many great 
> tire choices in 650b so I am being patient. I know that Riv has a video on 
> their site with Keven putting it through the off road test and it seems to 
> handle the off road just fine. I think it's the same all roundish bike as 
> my Sam Hillborne. You can do almost anything on it you want. The 
> hunqapillar seems sturdier if you plan to ride mostly off road. That's what 
> I would get and still might someday.
>

Actually, I was rather surprised w/ how 'pleasant' the Neo-Moto was even on 
the road with my Bombadil;   I think a QuasiMoto might be a fine tire for 
it.   

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[RBW] More jewelry from Nitto

[Ryan]

For those of us who still like toeclips and strapsbrought to you by MKS 
and Nitto
 
http://www.kinokocycles.com/mks-nitto-full-cage-toe-clip.html
 
Rather elegant...I have to say

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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[velomann]

I also want to point out that Ira Ryan - who finished the Oregon Outback 
mostly gravel ride with the best time, just ahead of Jan - was riding the 
"lowly" Panaracer Pasela Tourguard 700x38. 

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:19:06 AM UTC-7, Jason Leach wrote:
>
> I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing small batch 
> tires that Panaracer produces.  It is a different business model than large 
> volume runs of their own design. It may be that Grant - with the 
> Speedblends - opened up the doors to a modern era of custom small batch usa 
> distributed goodies. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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[RBW] How to use your bike for self defense

[Tom Virgil]

Chuck Norris might go for something like the above. I can feel the road 
rash now.

And no one can forget Jackie Chan's exploits on a bike. 


Back in 1901, Pearson's Magazine offered this illustrated feature on how to 
use your bike to fend off attackers 
.

I cannot endorse any of the above, but found them amusing.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick question on the Cheviot

[Bruce Smitham]

My wife has the Cheviot and we have not taken it mountain biking. It's an 
all-rounder with thinner slicks at this point but we will probably add some 
knobbies and test it out later this summer. There just aren't many great tire 
choices in 650b so I am being patient. I know that Riv has a video on their 
site with Keven putting it through the off road test and it seems to handle the 
off road just fine. I think it's the same all roundish bike as my Sam 
Hillborne. You can do almost anything on it you want. The hunqapillar seems 
sturdier if you plan to ride mostly off road. That's what I would get and still 
might someday.

 

> On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:33 AM, RJM  wrote:
> 
> Thanks,
>  
> Another quick question.do y'all think this bike will make a good mountain 
> bike?  The stuff I am thinking of riding through is what is called the canal 
> loop, which is situated in land between the lakes in western Kentucky. The 
> trail is singletrack with some technical stuff and a lot of up and down. The 
> whole area is full of nice singletrack and wider dirt trails and I would like 
> a bike to ride on that. I thought about the hunqapillar, but I think the 
> mixte frame will allow greater standover...plus I love the look of it.
>  
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:19:32 AM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>> It's a 650b for the 55cm 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote: 
>> > It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my mind. 
>> > Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot? 
>> > 
>> >   
>> > 
>> > I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a mountain 
>> > bike with albas.
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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 04:51 PM, Chris Chen wrote:


Wait, we're talking $13 chains here



You may be, but when I search for 9, 10 or 11 speed chains on the 
internet I see list prices for mid-range chains running at $50.  I don't 
even see $13 in advertises sales.  Riv's cheap 9-speed chains are $25, 
and the Wippermanns are $78.


On Jun 4, 2014 1:49 PM, "Steve Palincsar" > wrote:


On 06/04/2014 04:39 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:

I ride on dirt roads, and do get caught in the rain.  When
commuting I needed to remove my chain and throughly clean it
every three weeks or so.  No, cleaning chains is not fun, but
they are not comparable to paper towels.

Michael

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:26:48 PM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:

But what about this line of reasoning:

Treat chains as disposable items; If you can afford it,
replace your chain more often; Expensive chains feel to me
like buying super expensive paper towels for blowing your nose.

I used to love cleaning chains but now I just like replacing
them. :)



Especially not with chains running anywhere from $30 to over $100
each.  I wouldn't call that "cheap" and I find it hard to regard
anything that costs that much as a "disposable", not when it's so
very simple to open a master link (Park makes some very nice
pliers for this purpose), dunk the chain in a can of mineral
spirits, hang it up to dry, and re-lube it, and extend the life of
that chain.



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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Chris Chen]

Wait, we're talking $13 chains here
On Jun 4, 2014 1:49 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

>  On 06/04/2014 04:39 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I ride on dirt roads, and do get caught in the rain.  When commuting I
> needed to remove my chain and throughly clean it every three weeks or so.
>  No, cleaning chains is not fun, but they are not comparable to paper
> towels.
>
>  Michael
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:26:48 PM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> But what about this line of reasoning:
>>
>>  Treat chains as disposable items; If you can afford it, replace your
>> chain more often; Expensive chains feel to me like buying super expensive
>> paper towels for blowing your nose.
>>
>>  I used to love cleaning chains but now I just like replacing them. :)
>>
>>
> Especially not with chains running anywhere from $30 to over $100 each.  I
> wouldn't call that "cheap" and I find it hard to regard anything that costs
> that much as a "disposable", not when it's so very simple to open a master
> link (Park makes some very nice pliers for this purpose), dunk the chain in
> a can of mineral spirits, hang it up to dry, and re-lube it, and extend the
> life of that chain.
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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 04:39 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
I ride on dirt roads, and do get caught in the rain.  When commuting I 
needed to remove my chain and throughly clean it every three weeks or 
so.  No, cleaning chains is not fun, but they are not comparable to 
paper towels.


Michael

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:26:48 PM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:

But what about this line of reasoning:

Treat chains as disposable items; If you can afford it, replace
your chain more often; Expensive chains feel to me like buying
super expensive paper towels for blowing your nose.

I used to love cleaning chains but now I just like replacing them. :)



Especially not with chains running anywhere from $30 to over $100 each.  
I wouldn't call that "cheap" and I find it hard to regard anything that 
costs that much as a "disposable", not when it's so very simple to open 
a master link (Park makes some very nice pliers for this purpose), dunk 
the chain in a can of mineral spirits, hang it up to dry, and re-lube 
it, and extend the life of that chain.


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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Chris Chen]

Are you sure?

I'm never convinced I really get my chains clean where it really matters.

So if you clean every three weeks could you replace every four weeks with a
cheaper chain?
On Jun 4, 2014 1:39 PM, "Michael Hechmer"  wrote:

> I ride on dirt roads, and do get caught in the rain.  When commuting I
> needed to remove my chain and throughly clean it every three weeks or so.
>  No, cleaning chains is not fun, but they are not comparable to paper
> towels.
>
> Michael
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:26:48 PM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> But what about this line of reasoning:
>>
>> Treat chains as disposable items; If you can afford it, replace your
>> chain more often; Expensive chains feel to me like buying super expensive
>> paper towels for blowing your nose.
>>
>> I used to love cleaning chains but now I just like replacing them. :)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Michael Hechmer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I too take off my chains regularly to clean them and have never had a
>>> connex link fail.  I have had Sram links get very tight and impossible to
>>> get off.  I save my links and reuse them because the timing chain on the
>>> tandem takes two.  Cheap chains can tear out in 1000 miles, good ones
>>> should go more like 3000.  Chain wear causes cog and ring wear, which leads
>>> toward shifting problems.  Cheap chains are a false economy.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:04:23 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 06/04/2014 01:57 PM, Lynne Fitz wrote:
 > I have had a master link fail on me ONCE, and that was probably
 because I had taken it apart a few times too many (S&S coupled bike
 dismantled a few times).

 Oh, I doubt that very much.  I take my master links apart in order to
 clean and relube my chains at roughly 100 mile intervals, and my chains
 last typically at least 5,000 miles, often more, and I've never had a
 master link fail.  I use SRAM chains, mostly 9 speed.


 >
 > For some folks, 1000 miles is as long as a chain will last.  One of
 my riding buddies gets maybe 2000 miles on his chains; I get close to 4000
 miles.
 >
 > I use SRAM or KMC chains, whichever are available.  KMC is a smoking
 deal.  The KMC master links can be bought in bulk; I keep a couple in my
 bike bag.  I have also saved someone's ride when their chain broke.
 >

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Michael Hechmer]

I ride on dirt roads, and do get caught in the rain.  When commuting I 
needed to remove my chain and throughly clean it every three weeks or so. 
 No, cleaning chains is not fun, but they are not comparable to paper 
towels.

Michael

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:26:48 PM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> But what about this line of reasoning:
>
> Treat chains as disposable items; If you can afford it, replace your chain 
> more often; Expensive chains feel to me like buying super expensive paper 
> towels for blowing your nose.
>
> I used to love cleaning chains but now I just like replacing them. :)
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> I too take off my chains regularly to clean them and have never had a 
>> connex link fail.  I have had Sram links get very tight and impossible to 
>> get off.  I save my links and reuse them because the timing chain on the 
>> tandem takes two.  Cheap chains can tear out in 1000 miles, good ones 
>> should go more like 3000.  Chain wear causes cog and ring wear, which leads 
>> toward shifting problems.  Cheap chains are a false economy.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:04:23 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> On 06/04/2014 01:57 PM, Lynne Fitz wrote: 
>>> > I have had a master link fail on me ONCE, and that was probably 
>>> because I had taken it apart a few times too many (S&S coupled bike 
>>> dismantled a few times). 
>>>
>>> Oh, I doubt that very much.  I take my master links apart in order to 
>>> clean and relube my chains at roughly 100 mile intervals, and my chains 
>>> last typically at least 5,000 miles, often more, and I've never had a 
>>> master link fail.  I use SRAM chains, mostly 9 speed. 
>>>
>>>
>>> > 
>>> > For some folks, 1000 miles is as long as a chain will last.  One of my 
>>> riding buddies gets maybe 2000 miles on his chains; I get close to 4000 
>>> miles. 
>>> > 
>>> > I use SRAM or KMC chains, whichever are available.  KMC is a smoking 
>>> deal.  The KMC master links can be bought in bulk; I keep a couple in my 
>>> bike bag.  I have also saved someone's ride when their chain broke. 
>>> > 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Joe Bunik]

http://bluelug.com/products/detail.php?product_id=17242

On 6/4/14, Chris Chen  wrote:
> I'm a huge fan of the barlow pass 700x38 tires.
>
> I don't know if they make me faster (I'm pretty quick anyhow) but they're
> definitely *fun* to ride.
>
> Cheers
>
> cc
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
>> wasn't talking about you guys at allno offense taken
>>
>> anyway, my question was answered and these tires of Jan's sound like
>> terrific tires...but that wouldn't surprise me. I haven't had the
>> occasion
>> to purchase something from the fine folks at Compass Cycles, but like
>> Rivendell or Nitto ...the product offerings appear to be well thought out
>> and high quality.Jason is right on about Panaracer A business model I
>> think
>> we all appreciate.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:07:25 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> I believe (think) Chris and I were joking, not sniping. Grin. Hence the
>>> grinning and smilies. I apologize if mine came across as anything more
>>> than
>>> bad humor.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:58:50 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:

  I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his
 latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were made
 in
 Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I didn't
 catch
 it.

 Was just a question...I wasn't trying to start off a round of sniping
 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:54:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

>  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:
>
> Yes, but do you THINK so? :)
>
>
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very
> clear
> that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So
> I
> both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is
> confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of
> epistemology?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>>
>>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving
>> about?
>>
>>
>> We know Panaracer are doing them.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

['Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Love it.  I used the bosco bars to update my wife's old specialized 
rockhopper for a daily rider for my son.  And the spot under the bars was 
plenty big enough to put a swift industries saddle bag that I had laying 
around.

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Chris Chen]

But what about this line of reasoning:

Treat chains as disposable items; If you can afford it, replace your chain
more often; Expensive chains feel to me like buying super expensive paper
towels for blowing your nose.

I used to love cleaning chains but now I just like replacing them. :)


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> I too take off my chains regularly to clean them and have never had a
> connex link fail.  I have had Sram links get very tight and impossible to
> get off.  I save my links and reuse them because the timing chain on the
> tandem takes two.  Cheap chains can tear out in 1000 miles, good ones
> should go more like 3000.  Chain wear causes cog and ring wear, which leads
> toward shifting problems.  Cheap chains are a false economy.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:04:23 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 06/04/2014 01:57 PM, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>> > I have had a master link fail on me ONCE, and that was probably because
>> I had taken it apart a few times too many (S&S coupled bike dismantled a
>> few times).
>>
>> Oh, I doubt that very much.  I take my master links apart in order to
>> clean and relube my chains at roughly 100 mile intervals, and my chains
>> last typically at least 5,000 miles, often more, and I've never had a
>> master link fail.  I use SRAM chains, mostly 9 speed.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > For some folks, 1000 miles is as long as a chain will last.  One of my
>> riding buddies gets maybe 2000 miles on his chains; I get close to 4000
>> miles.
>> >
>> > I use SRAM or KMC chains, whichever are available.  KMC is a smoking
>> deal.  The KMC master links can be bought in bulk; I keep a couple in my
>> bike bag.  I have also saved someone's ride when their chain broke.
>> >
>>
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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Michael Hechmer]

I too take off my chains regularly to clean them and have never had a 
connex link fail.  I have had Sram links get very tight and impossible to 
get off.  I save my links and reuse them because the timing chain on the 
tandem takes two.  Cheap chains can tear out in 1000 miles, good ones 
should go more like 3000.  Chain wear causes cog and ring wear, which leads 
toward shifting problems.  Cheap chains are a false economy.

Michael

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 2:04:23 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 06/04/2014 01:57 PM, Lynne Fitz wrote: 
> > I have had a master link fail on me ONCE, and that was probably because 
> I had taken it apart a few times too many (S&S coupled bike dismantled a 
> few times). 
>
> Oh, I doubt that very much.  I take my master links apart in order to 
> clean and relube my chains at roughly 100 mile intervals, and my chains 
> last typically at least 5,000 miles, often more, and I've never had a 
> master link fail.  I use SRAM chains, mostly 9 speed. 
>
>
> > 
> > For some folks, 1000 miles is as long as a chain will last.  One of my 
> riding buddies gets maybe 2000 miles on his chains; I get close to 4000 
> miles. 
> > 
> > I use SRAM or KMC chains, whichever are available.  KMC is a smoking 
> deal.  The KMC master links can be bought in bulk; I keep a couple in my 
> bike bag.  I have also saved someone's ride when their chain broke. 
> > 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Headset spacer substitute bell mount

[Bill Lindsay]

"Unfortunately -- this is one of those otherwise very nice bells that have 
the striker on a little coiled spring -- in this position the striker 
"dings" every time I hit one of our 5" wide pavement expansion cracks. I 
will probably get one of those even nicer bells with the lever striker."

It would be cheaper to consider that a feature rather than a bug.  Learn to 
stop worrying and love the autoring.  ;-)

On Sunday, June 1, 2014 1:47:07 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Oh, OK. Well, I just went riding and it's a windy day, and I know, just 
> *know*, that I was precisely 2.7315% faster than with the bell mounted on 
> top of the bar. My leg hair *did* slow me down, though.
>
> Unfortunately -- this is one of those otherwise very nice bells that have 
> the striker on a little coiled spring -- in this position the striker 
> "dings" every time I hit one of our 5" wide pavement expansion cracks. I 
> will probably get one of those even nicer bells with the lever striker.
>
> Patrick "AND I did some hills AND I was carrying a 18 lb load" Moore in 
> hot, windy, hilly, grocery-store-infested ABQ, NM.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Peter Morgano  > wrote:
>
>> Haha, I meant the aerodynamics of bell positioning. 
>> On Jun 1, 2014 2:38 PM, "Patrick Moore" > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ? Who's talking about weight? I'm talking about $17.
>>>
>>> Patrick "that $17 still in my pocket is slowing me down" Moore
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Peter Morgano >> > wrote:
>>>
 You should shave your legs too then, think of the weight penalties of 
 millions of hairs catching wind and slowing you down.  ;-) 
 On Jun 1, 2014 1:28 PM, "Patrick Moore" >>> > wrote:

> It's a bit too rich for my constitution, at $17. But all's well, I 
> just belatedly discovered that there is just enough room under the stem 
> extension to mount the bell on the quill above the locknut (I want the 
> bell 
> to face "dome" out, for better aerodynamics.)
>
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Michael  > wrote:
>
>> Why not get the one RBW sells?
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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Ron Mc]

I'm with you Lynne.  I buy 4-packs on ebay, have them in all my bags and 
replace them after a few disconnects.  

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:57:11 PM UTC-5, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> I have had a master link fail on me ONCE, and that was probably because I 
> had taken it apart a few times too many (S&S coupled bike dismantled a few 
> times).
>
> For some folks, 1000 miles is as long as a chain will last.  One of my 
> riding buddies gets maybe 2000 miles on his chains; I get close to 4000 
> miles.
>
> I use SRAM or KMC chains, whichever are available.  KMC is a smoking deal. 
>  The KMC master links can be bought in bulk; I keep a couple in my bike 
> bag.  I have also saved someone's ride when their chain broke.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Chris Chen]

I'm a huge fan of the barlow pass 700x38 tires.

I don't know if they make me faster (I'm pretty quick anyhow) but they're
definitely *fun* to ride.

Cheers

cc


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Ryan  wrote:

> wasn't talking about you guys at allno offense taken
>
> anyway, my question was answered and these tires of Jan's sound like
> terrific tires...but that wouldn't surprise me. I haven't had the occasion
> to purchase something from the fine folks at Compass Cycles, but like
> Rivendell or Nitto ...the product offerings appear to be well thought out
> and high quality.Jason is right on about Panaracer A business model I think
> we all appreciate.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:07:25 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> I believe (think) Chris and I were joking, not sniping. Grin. Hence the
>> grinning and smilies. I apologize if mine came across as anything more than
>> bad humor.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:58:50 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>  I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his
>>> latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were made in
>>> Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I didn't catch
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Was just a question...I wasn't trying to start off a round of sniping
>>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:54:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:

 Yes, but do you THINK so? :)


 I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear
 that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I
 both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is
 confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of
 epistemology?



 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar 
 wrote:

>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>
>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving
> about?
>
>
> We know Panaracer are doing them.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[JL]

Yes. :)  The make those as well as Grand Bois, Bruce Gordan R&R, Rivendell, 
Soma, Pacenti, and I might have forgotten some. 
One good example of this is the SomaX Ocean Air Cycles co venture - the Soma 
CLine.  The Cline is essentially a supple 38mm folding version of the Pasela 
700x37c tire but with no added flat protection (low pressure and careful riding 
do enough for many folks) and the tread from the 35mm Pasela, with multiple 
color options.  

All of the tire lines I mentioned above have some grand-slam-dunks.  Find some 
that fit the bikes you ride and give them a go.  

Jason 

> On Jun 4, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
> Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?
>  
> Have to say, I'm a big fan of their Paselas...still using them on all 4 of my 
> bikes
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:19:06 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote:
>> I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing small batch 
>> tires that Panaracer produces.  It is a different business model than large 
>> volume runs of their own design. It may be that Grant - with the Speedblends 
>> - opened up the doors to a modern era of custom small batch usa distributed 
>> goodies. 
>> 
>> Jason 
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Ryan]

wasn't talking about you guys at allno offense taken
 
anyway, my question was answered and these tires of Jan's sound like 
terrific tires...but that wouldn't surprise me. I haven't had the occasion 
to purchase something from the fine folks at Compass Cycles, but like 
Rivendell or Nitto ...the product offerings appear to be well thought out 
and high quality.Jason is right on about Panaracer A business model I think 
we all appreciate.
 
Cheers
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:07:25 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> I believe (think) Chris and I were joking, not sniping. Grin. Hence the 
> grinning and smilies. I apologize if mine came across as anything more than 
> bad humor. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:58:50 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote: 
>>
>>  I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his 
>> latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were made in 
>> Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I didn't catch 
>> it.
>>  
>> Was just a question...I wasn't trying to start off a round of sniping
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:54:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>>  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, but do you THINK so? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear 
>>> that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I 
>>> both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is 
>>> confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of 
>>> epistemology?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar  
>>> wrote:
>>>
  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:

  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving 
 about?


 We know Panaracer are doing them. 


>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV & The Oregon Outback

[Shawn Granton]

As for other transportation options between Portland and Deschutes, there 
is a twice-weekly bus that runs from downtown Portland to The Dalles, and 
it has bike racks.
http://www.gorgetranslink.com/regional-thedalles-hoodriver-portland.html
-Shawn

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gravel in New York State?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 11:01 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
+1 on the Gunks... Carriage trails in Minnewaska State Park are 
exceptional... The emerald green Minnewaska lake is breathtaking. Some 
of the best scenery on the East Coast, especially this time of year 
(when the Mt Laurel are in bloom) and again in the Fall (with 
spectacular foliage).  The ride out to Awosting Lake from Minnewaska 
is a must...  Pack your lunch, bring a bathing suit, camera, 
binoculars, etc... a fantastic day awaits you.


When I was in the Mid Hudson Bicycle Club in the 1970s we used to ride 
the carriage trails in Minnewaska, on our road bikes w/27 x 1 1/4" 
tires.  When we hosted GEAR 1974 we included not only rides that climbed 
the Gunks, but also a ride on the carriage trails.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Deacon Patrick]

When you get traction with supple humor it's an awesome ride! But sometimes 
it's too steep a climb on too loose a surface and the supple humor simply 
spins out. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:08:09 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Just a little supple humour
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> I believe (think) Chris and I were joking, not sniping. Grin. Hence the 
>> grinning and smilies. I apologize if mine came across as anything more than 
>> bad humor.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:58:50 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>> I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his 
>>> latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were made in 
>>> Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I didn't catch 
>>> it.
>>>  
>>> Was just a question...I wasn't trying to start off a round of sniping
>>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:54:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:

 Yes, but do you THINK so? :)


 I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear 
 that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I 
 both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is 
 confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of 
 epistemology?

  

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar  
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>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>
>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving 
> about?
>
>
> We know Panaracer are doing them. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 01:58 PM, Ryan wrote:
I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his 
latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were 
made in Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I 
didn't catch it.


"Panaracer makes the Compass tires for us. (They also make Grand Bois 
tires.)"

-- http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/compass-tires-in-26-x-1-75/


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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV & The Oregon Outback

[Shawn Granton]

If it were me, I'd stick to the south (Oregon) side the whole way to 
Deschutes River. SR 14 is fairly busy, just two lanes with minimal 
shoulders in places, and also feature a series of tunnels. Right now you 
can avoid riding on I-84 from Troutdale to Hood River for all but about 15 
miles between Cascade Locks and Hood River. (They just completed a section 
of the Historic Columbia River Hwy trail right around Bonneville, and the 
state and other agencies seem to really be serious about completing the 
missing link of trail in a shortish amount of time.)

Staying on SR-14 also means missing out on one of the best sections of the 
old Historic Columbia River Hwy: between Hood River and The Dalles. The 
Rowena Curves are pretty awesome, and you don't want to miss the chance 
that the ex-mayor of Mosier taking a pic of you in front of the Mosier 
Totems.

-Shawn

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:28:36 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/NeMmX
>
> Parallel roads on the south side of I-84 west of Bridge of the Gods.  Ride 
> WA-14 though the narrowest parts of the Gorge, much nicer.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jim Bronson  > wrote:
>
>> Well, Jan Heine rode from the end back to Seattle per his blog.  However, 
>> after 360+ miles of gravel and dirt, I'm not sure that would be my first 
>> choice.
>>
>> If I lived in Portland, I'd just see if I could get someone to retrieve 
>> me via car as Interstate 84 is right by Deschutes State Park.
>>
>> Riding to Portland would be an option, the wind does not always howl 
>> through the gorge, and it doesn't always blow west to east either.  But if 
>> you caught it on a bad day it wouldn't be pleasant.
>>
>> Taking a route through the mountains would be an alternative if it was 
>> windy.  I would not want to take US26, but I know people do use bikes on 
>> that route sometimes.  It looks like there are quite a lot of National 
>> Fores (NF) roads and other back roads looking at Google Maps, but I would 
>> want local maps before deciding on a route.
>>
>> I'm sure there's some Portlanders who have some cycling routes through 
>> the mountains that avoid heavily traveled roads - Lolo Pass Road/NF-18 
>> skirting the north and west flanks of Mt. Hood looks interesting.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Anne Paulson > > wrote:
>>
>>> The riders got to Klamath Falls via Amtrak. How did they get back from 
>>> the Deschutes? For me, I'd be taking the train both ways, so as relaxing as 
>>> the train is (very), it's going to be just as relaxing in the other 
>>> direction. OTOH, if I was taking the train to or from the Deschutes, the 
>>> nearest station would be Portland. If I remember correctly, the ferocious 
>>> wind blows up the Gorge, so starting from Portland, riding to the start of 
>>> the Oregon Outback and then riding the route south would make more sense to 
>>> me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Bronson >> > wrote:
>>>
 "After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North 
 for two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way 
 first; and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d 
 definitely do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, 
 but 
 I loved relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and 
 getting psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being 
 dirty, smelly, tired and just-wanting-to-get-home."

 http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Eric >>> > wrote:

> Why was the route ridden South to North?
>
> With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?
>
>
> On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:
>>
>> Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  
>>
>> Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's 
>> input.
>>
>> An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...
>>
>> Thanks y'all.
>>  
>> -ant
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Chris Chen]

Just a little supple humour


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I believe (think) Chris and I were joking, not sniping. Grin. Hence the
> grinning and smilies. I apologize if mine came across as anything more than
> bad humor.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:58:50 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:
>>
>> I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his
>> latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were made in
>> Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I didn't catch
>> it.
>>
>> Was just a question...I wasn't trying to start off a round of sniping
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:54:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>>  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, but do you THINK so? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear
>>> that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I
>>> both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is
>>> confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of
>>> epistemology?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:

  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving
 about?


 We know Panaracer are doing them.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Deacon Patrick]

I believe (think) Chris and I were joking, not sniping. Grin. Hence the 
grinning and smilies. I apologize if mine came across as anything more than 
bad humor.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:58:50 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:
>
> I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his 
> latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were made in 
> Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I didn't catch 
> it.
>  
> Was just a question...I wasn't trying to start off a round of sniping
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:54:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>>  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but do you THINK so? :)
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear 
>> that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I 
>> both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is 
>> confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of 
>> epistemology?
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>
>>>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving 
>>> about?
>>>
>>>
>>> We know Panaracer are doing them. 
>>>
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Kieran J]

I THINK he was just kidding around. That's what the :) means.

KJ


On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:54:18 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:
>  
> Yes, but do you THINK so? :)
>
>
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear 
> that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I 
> both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is 
> confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of 
> epistemology?
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>>  
>>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?
>>  
>>
>>  We know Panaracer are doing them. 
>>
>> 
>  

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 01:57 PM, Lynne Fitz wrote:

I have had a master link fail on me ONCE, and that was probably because I had taken 
it apart a few times too many (S&S coupled bike dismantled a few times).


Oh, I doubt that very much.  I take my master links apart in order to 
clean and relube my chains at roughly 100 mile intervals, and my chains 
last typically at least 5,000 miles, often more, and I've never had a 
master link fail.  I use SRAM chains, mostly 9 speed.





For some folks, 1000 miles is as long as a chain will last.  One of my riding 
buddies gets maybe 2000 miles on his chains; I get close to 4000 miles.

I use SRAM or KMC chains, whichever are available.  KMC is a smoking deal.  The 
KMC master links can be bought in bulk; I keep a couple in my bike bag.  I have 
also saved someone's ride when their chain broke.



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[RBW] Re: WTB: your old beat-up components

[Lynne Fitz]

Back in 2007, I bought a Bleriot frame, had S&S couplers installed, and built 
it up.  My gruppo is the "shiny silver Shimano compatible" set.  It looked very 
nice and shiny, and was meant to be my rando bike.  My then-commuter/rando 
bike, a Sekai 2400, died a horrible death just before I built up the Bleriot.  
So Bleriot became my commute bike as well.

Riding buddy: "you are going to commute on your RIVENDELL?"  Me: "it is a bike. 
 get over it."

13000 miles later, one wreck (new tubes! new paint!), still going strong, and 
it gets ridden everywhere.  And, yes, it does stick out a bit among all the 
"commuter/beater" bikes.  I don't care.

Message: enjoy your bike as is!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Ryan]

I only asked because , on a quick perusal of Jan's site regarding his 
latest series of tires, it seemed to me that if  he said they were made in 
Japan, but if he mentioned National Tire Co  or Panaracer, I didn't catch 
it.
 
Was just a question...I wasn't trying to start off a round of sniping
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:54:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

>  On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:
>
> Yes, but do you THINK so? :)
>
>
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear 
> that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I 
> both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is 
> confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of 
> epistemology?
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>>
>>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?
>>
>>
>> We know Panaracer are doing them. 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Lynne Fitz]

I have had a master link fail on me ONCE, and that was probably because I had 
taken it apart a few times too many (S&S coupled bike dismantled a few times).

For some folks, 1000 miles is as long as a chain will last.  One of my riding 
buddies gets maybe 2000 miles on his chains; I get close to 4000 miles.

I use SRAM or KMC chains, whichever are available.  KMC is a smoking deal.  The 
KMC master links can be bought in bulk; I keep a couple in my bike bag.  I have 
also saved someone's ride when their chain broke.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 01:45 PM, Chris Chen wrote:

Yes, but do you THINK so? :)


I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment.  Jan has made it very clear 
that Panaracer produces both the Grand Bois and the Compass tires.  So I 
both "think" so and "know so."  What is there about this that is 
confusing?  Or are you setting up a springboard into a discussion of 
epistemology?





On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:


On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:

Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving
about?


We know Panaracer are doing them.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Tim Gavin]

Ryan-

Yes, they make Grand Bois (Jan's Hetre et fils), Compass (Jan's new line),
Rivendell, Soma, Pacenti, and Panaracer tires.

They're all made to different specifications from the designers, and it's
cool that Panasonic allows for such customization.

Ever since Schwinn got them to make the Voyageurs in the early 70s (and
probably earlier on the home market), Panasonic has been crafting quality
bicycles and bike products under contract, in addition to their own lines.

Tim


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> Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?
>
> Have to say, I'm a big fan of their Paselas...still using them on all 4 of
> my bikes
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:19:06 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote:
>
>> I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing small batch
>> tires that Panaracer produces.  It is a different business model than large
>> volume runs of their own design. It may be that Grant - with the
>> Speedblends - opened up the doors to a modern era of custom small batch usa
>> distributed goodies.
>>
>> Jason
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Deacon Patrick]

[Pink Panther music...]

Pedant.
Pedant.
Pedant, pedant, pedant, pedant, pedaaant.

[Fade out Pink Panther music]

Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:45:09 AM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Yes, but do you THINK so? :)
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>>  
>>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?
>>  
>>
>> We know Panaracer are doing them.
>>
>>
>>   
>> Have to say, I'm a big fan of their Paselas...still using them on all 4 
>> of my bikes
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:19:06 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote:
>>
>>> I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing small 
>>> batch tires that Panaracer produces.  It is a different business model than 
>>> large volume runs of their own design. It may be that Grant - with the 
>>> Speedblends - opened up the doors to a modern era of custom small batch usa 
>>> distributed goodies. 
>>>
>>> Jason 
>>> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Headset spacer substitute bell mount

[Ryan]

...I quite fancy those, myself. Elegant and thrifty packaging tooI 
like the tin and cloth drawstring bag..which can be repurposed for 
something else.
On Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:30:51 AM UTC-5, Ely Ruth Rodriguez wrote: 
>
> I for one, would love one of these guys from england! It's been on my 
> christmas list for two years now, this year i've tried extra hard to be 
> good, fingers crossed.
> http://www.lionbellworks.co.uk/
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 30, 2014 7:15:59 AM UTC-7, bertin753 wrote: 
>>
>>  Does anyone have one of either of these he/she would sell cheap or 
>> trade for? For the Ram, to clear up bar space near the stem.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
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>> Other professional writing services.
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>>
>> *
>>* "Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
>> never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
>> it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
>> *"Nothing outside you can give you any place," he said. "You needn't to 
>> look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
>> it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
>> somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
>> daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
>> all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
>> any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
>> because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
>> in your time and your body can they be?*
>> * "Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you?" he cried. 
>> "Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
>> Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
>> you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Chris Chen]

Yes, but do you THINK so? :)


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>  On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:
>
>  Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?
>
>
> We know Panaracer are doing them.
>
>
>
> Have to say, I'm a big fan of their Paselas...still using them on all 4 of
> my bikes
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:19:06 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote:
>
>> I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing small batch
>> tires that Panaracer produces.  It is a different business model than large
>> volume runs of their own design. It may be that Grant - with the
>> Speedblends - opened up the doors to a modern era of custom small batch usa
>> distributed goodies.
>>
>> Jason
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2014 01:28 PM, Ryan wrote:

Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?


We know Panaracer are doing them.

Have to say, I'm a big fan of their Paselas...still using them on all 
4 of my bikes

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:19:06 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote:

I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing
small batch tires that Panaracer produces.  It is a different
business model than large volume runs of their own design. It may
be that Grant - with the Speedblends - opened up the doors to a
modern era of custom small batch usa distributed goodies.

Jason
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: your old beat-up components

[Ryan]

Good choice! 
 
Personally, I believe that my "working" bikes (1993 X0-1 and 1973-74 era 
PX-10 ) deserve decent parts and I'm not a bit apologetic about using them. 
For one thing, you can never have enough Nitto:) These bikes also have 
finer frames than their cosmetics would suggest and I've always believed in 
good frames + good wheels + decent parts
 
Those  Suntour Superbe/Cylone parts cane with your Sequoia and I'd ride the 
bike and enjoy the parts it was specced with.
 
Regards...Ryan in Winnipeg
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> Hey all!
>
> Thank you for those who got in touch. I've decided to do very minor 
> adjustments to the bike to make it fit my riding better, but to keep most 
> of the original component group. The Suntour is too beautiful not to use!
>
> -Chris
>
> On Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:54:51 AM UTC-7, Christopher Miller Rosales 
> wrote: 
>>
>> Hey All!
>>
>> I picked up a beautiful 1985 Specialized Sequoia with pristine Suntour 
>> Superbe/Cyclone components. The bike is an absolute joy to ride and I'm 
>> making it my every day bike, but I feel guilty using these super high 
>> polish parts on a commuter. I've decided to box most of the original 
>> components and put on a more utilitarian group.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any of the following in your parts box!
>>
>> Quill stem 120 - 130mm, 25.4
>> Crankset -  single or double road, matching front derailleur
>> Nitto Albatross or similar upright bar
>> Short Pull Levers
>> Thumb shifters - friction/7/8 speed
>> Commuter wheelset, 700c 130mm cassette
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for quality, but ugly components - like old beat-up XT. Thank 
>> you all for the help on building my new bike, message me if you have 
>> anything. I can't wait to make this my budget commuter Rivendell! Will post 
>> pics when done.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Chris
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Updated Legolas - Barlow Pass tires

[reynoldslugs]

, RJM wrote:
>
> Great looking bike.
>

thank you. 

>   
> I'm curious about the stemis it a lugged threadless stem?
>

yes, that's a Nitto lugged threadles stem.

Max 

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[RBW] Re: Updated Legolas - Barlow Pass tires

[RJM]

Great looking bike. 
 
I'm curious about the stemis it a lugged threadless stem?
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:18:29 PM UTC-5, reynoldslugs wrote:

> Mr. Legolas gets a facelift.  This was formely a 1x9 CX bike with CX 
> tires, not that much fun on the pavement.  The bike now has a Sugino 26/40 
> wide range double, and Jan's new Barlow Pass tires.  Cannot wait to see how 
> this rides:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/14159529478/
>
> Ride report after the weekend.
>
> Max B
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[RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

[Ryan]

Do you think they may be doing Jan's tires that everyone's raving about?
 
Have to say, I'm a big fan of their Paselas...still using them on all 4 of 
my bikes
On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:19:06 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote:

> I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing small batch 
> tires that Panaracer produces.  It is a different business model than large 
> volume runs of their own design. It may be that Grant - with the 
> Speedblends - opened up the doors to a modern era of custom small batch usa 
> distributed goodies. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Updated Legolas - Barlow Pass tires

[Deacon Patrick]

That is one good looking bike! I love the color. I hope you enjoy the 
Barlow's as much as I do!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:18:29 AM UTC-6, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> Mr. Legolas gets a facelift.  This was formely a 1x9 CX bike with CX 
> tires, not that much fun on the pavement.  The bike now has a Sugino 26/40 
> wide range double, and Jan's new Barlow Pass tires.  Cannot wait to see how 
> this rides:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/14159529478/
>
> Ride report after the weekend.
>
> Max B
> Sonoma County
>
>
>

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[RBW] Praise to panaracer

[JL]

I just want to take a minute to appreciate all of the amazing small batch tires 
that Panaracer produces.  It is a different business model than large volume 
runs of their own design. It may be that Grant - with the Speedblends - opened 
up the doors to a modern era of custom small batch usa distributed goodies. 

Jason
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[RBW] Updated Legolas - Barlow Pass tires

[reynoldslugs]

Mr. Legolas gets a facelift.  This was formely a 1x9 CX bike with CX tires, 
not that much fun on the pavement.  The bike now has a Sugino 26/40 wide 
range double, and Jan's new Barlow Pass tires.  Cannot wait to see how this 
rides:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/14159529478/

Ride report after the weekend.

Max B
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[RBW] Re: Quick question on the Cheviot

[Deacon Patrick]

If you will do technical bikepacking, a mixte may flex more than you want, 
but for what you described the Cheviot would be wonderful!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:33:52 AM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> Thanks, 
>  
> Another quick question.do y'all think this bike will make a good 
> mountain bike?  The stuff I am thinking of riding through is what is called 
> the canal loop, which is situated in land between the lakes in western 
> Kentucky. The trail is singletrack with some technical stuff and a lot of 
> up and down. The whole area is full of nice singletrack and wider dirt 
> trails and I would like a bike to ride on that. I thought about the 
> hunqapillar, but I think the mixte frame will allow greater 
> standover...plus I love the look of it. 
>  
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:19:32 AM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> It's a 650b for the 55cm 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote: 
>> > It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my 
>> mind. Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot? 
>> > 
>> >   
>> > 
>> > I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a 
>> mountain bike with albas. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Quick question on the Cheviot

[RJM]

Thanks, 
 
Another quick question.do y'all think this bike will make a good 
mountain bike?  The stuff I am thinking of riding through is what is called 
the canal loop, which is situated in land between the lakes in western 
Kentucky. The trail is singletrack with some technical stuff and a lot of 
up and down. The whole area is full of nice singletrack and wider dirt 
trails and I would like a bike to ride on that. I thought about the 
hunqapillar, but I think the mixte frame will allow greater 
standover...plus I love the look of it. 
 

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:19:32 AM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote:

> It's a 650b for the 55cm 
>
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote: 
> > It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my 
> mind. Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot? 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a mountain 
> bike with albas. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: fs: 650b tires - Schwalbe Marathon + Conti Tour Ride (CHICAGO PICKUP AVAILABLE)

[Eric]

Plus I'll throw in some new tubes!!! Maybe 3 but at least 2. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gravel in New York State?

[Peter Morgano]

Agreed, the shawangunk trail is a great ride and picnic day. Good times and
great scenery.
On Jun 4, 2014 11:01 AM, "Montclair BobbyB" 
wrote:

> +1 on the Gunks... Carriage trails in Minnewaska State Park are
> exceptional... The emerald green Minnewaska lake is breathtaking. Some of
> the best scenery on the East Coast, especially this time of year (when the
> Mt Laurel are in bloom) and again in the Fall (with spectacular foliage).
>  The ride out to Awosting Lake from Minnewaska is a must...  Pack your
> lunch, bring a bathing suit, camera, binoculars, etc... a fantastic day
> awaits you.
>
> BB
>
> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:51:42 AM UTC-4, Anton Tutter wrote:
>>
>> Jason,
>>
>> Have you read the blog ridingthecatskills.com? I'm one of three
>> co-authors. Focus is on mapping and reporting on gravel/dirt routes. The
>> other two authors report on the area around New Paltz and the Shawangunks,
>> and I report on the northwestern end of the Catskills, near Delhi. The
>> Gunks are obviously closer to you (you can take the train up to
>> Poughkeepsie, ride the Gunks, and be back in NYC by evening). My area is
>> about a 3 hour drive from NYC.  Highly recommended!  My routes are
>> typically about 40% dirt on century old carriage roads, and entirely devoid
>> of highways.
>>
>> Anton
>>
>> PS-- here's a typical pic from one of my rides:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:20:52 AM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>>
>>> After reading Tony McG's post about the Almonzo, I'm curious if anyone
>>> knows of any good gravel courses in New York?
>>> Not looking for a race at this point, but just to get out there and
>>> ride...
>>> Does anyone have experience with this upstate or not too far from NYC?
>>> thank you
>>> Jason
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Gravel in New York State?

[Montclair BobbyB]

+1 on the Gunks... Carriage trails in Minnewaska State Park are 
exceptional... The emerald green Minnewaska lake is breathtaking. Some of 
the best scenery on the East Coast, especially this time of year (when the 
Mt Laurel are in bloom) and again in the Fall (with spectacular foliage). 
 The ride out to Awosting Lake from Minnewaska is a must...  Pack your 
lunch, bring a bathing suit, camera, binoculars, etc... a fantastic day 
awaits you.

BB

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:51:42 AM UTC-4, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> Have you read the blog ridingthecatskills.com? I'm one of three 
> co-authors. Focus is on mapping and reporting on gravel/dirt routes. The 
> other two authors report on the area around New Paltz and the Shawangunks, 
> and I report on the northwestern end of the Catskills, near Delhi. The 
> Gunks are obviously closer to you (you can take the train up to 
> Poughkeepsie, ride the Gunks, and be back in NYC by evening). My area is 
> about a 3 hour drive from NYC.  Highly recommended!  My routes are 
> typically about 40% dirt on century old carriage roads, and entirely devoid 
> of highways.
>
> Anton
>
> PS-- here's a typical pic from one of my rides:
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:20:52 AM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>> After reading Tony McG's post about the Almonzo, I'm curious if anyone 
>> knows of any good gravel courses in New York?
>> Not looking for a race at this point, but just to get out there and 
>> ride...
>> Does anyone have experience with this upstate or not too far from NYC?
>> thank you
>> Jason
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My 71 cm AHH

[Deacon Patrick]

Jim,

You may want to try the Albastaches first if your are not sure which way to 
go between them and the Boscos for the sole reason that to try the boscos 
requires a stem and brake lever change but the Albastaches will use your 
noodle's stem and levers.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:36:54 AM UTC-6, Jim wrote:
>
> You bet!
>
> http://1drv.ms/TdhxFK
>
> I've since sold the platrack and front bag to a list member.
>
> http://1drv.ms/TdhLN9
>
> http://1drv.ms/1pRdMAz
>
> I'm thinking about trying Boscos or Albastaches with it, as the reach with 
> noodles is a bit long, even for my long torso.  I like the look of yours.  
> Just curious, what is your PBH?  (mine is 100 even)
>
> Jim in Boulder
>
>
> On Monday, June 2, 2014 10:17:46 PM UTC-6, Joe K. wrote:
>
>> Jim-
>>
>> Do you have any pics of your Homer with the Noodles?  Would love to see 
>> it!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV & The Oregon Outback

[Jan Heine]

My 42 mm Compass Babyshoe Pass Extralight tires were great on 85% of the 
gravel sections. There were a number of places where the gravel was very 
sandy and soft, where everybody seemed to have trouble. Wider tires would 
have been useful there.

On the other hand, 30% of the ride was on paved roads, where any knobbies 
would slow you down considerably. It's no coincidence that the two fastest 
finishers were on road tires (38 and 42 mm wide). My current hypothesis is 
that wider high-performance road tires (if they were in fact available) 
would be ideal for this event, but considering the currently available 
options, I'd choose the same tires again if I was going for a fast time.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:46:17 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> Jan said after the ride that he would have preferred something fatter than 
> 42 mm for the dirt sections. I think a low profile knobby in like 52-56 mm 
> wide would be ideal. Schwalbe makes some super plush XC racing tires like 
> the Thunder Burt that would be great  for this ride. I know of a few people 
> who used these and were very pleased with the performance on this ride.  
>
> ~mike
> Carlsbad Ca.
>
> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon 
>> Outback.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?set=a.10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016&type=1
>>
>> What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9" smooth 
>> Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and 
>> the 3" tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.
>>
>> Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe Pass 
>> tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and disc 
>> brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure. 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann  wrote:
>>
>>> When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't want 
>>> to go it alone.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's 
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

 -ant

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>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My 71 cm AHH

[Jim]

You bet!

http://1drv.ms/TdhxFK

I've since sold the platrack and front bag to a list member.

http://1drv.ms/TdhLN9

http://1drv.ms/1pRdMAz

I'm thinking about trying Boscos or Albastaches with it, as the reach with 
noodles is a bit long, even for my long torso.  I like the look of yours.  
Just curious, what is your PBH?  (mine is 100 even)

Jim in Boulder


On Monday, June 2, 2014 10:17:46 PM UTC-6, Joe K. wrote:

> Jim-
>
> Do you have any pics of your Homer with the Noodles?  Would love to see it!
>

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[RBW] Re: I "raced" my Riv.

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here are links to pictures of the race:
You do not need a facebook account to view these pics.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.664251316961829.1073741948.357965467590417&type=1

http://adventuremonkey.com/blog/dirty-kanza-200-2014-edition


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[RBW] Re: Quick question on the Cheviot

[Bruce Smitham]

It's a 650b for the 55cm

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
> It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my mind. 
> Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot?
> 
>  
> 
> I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a mountain bike 
> with albas.

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Jim]

That sounds like a good plan, certainly easy enough to replace with the 
master link.  Still, it sure seems premature.  I really don't have that 
many miles on the bicycle, I use it almost exclusively for commuting, which 
is a15 mile round trip.  I estimate somewhere around 1000 miles on the 
thing.  

I have the chain with me, will be stopping at the LBS to let them have a 
look this evening.

Jim in Boulder

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:34:34 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:

> you can find new SRAM chains for as little as $13, and a spare master link 
> is a very light spare to haul along.  If you wear through a master link, 
> your chain was probably stretched enough to affect shifting and 
> sprocket/chainring wear.  
>
> On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:22:53 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Jim:
>>
>> Chains are cheap. I would definitely consider buying a new one. Have you 
>> put a chain checker on it to see if it's overly worn? If the master link 
>> was this far gone, chances are the rest of the chain is going to have 
>> problems as well. 
>>
>> –Eric N
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Jim  wrote:
>>
>> Toodling along riding home from work and suddenly the pedals lock up 
>> tight, won't turn.  I investigated and found that the master chain link 
>> (SRAM 9 speed) had a couple problems.  The main problem is that the head of 
>> the rivet that the master link connects to had apparently worn away, so the 
>> opposite chain plate had come loose.  Here is a picture of the rivet and 
>> the chain link
>>  
>> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33994
>>  
>> In addition, the link plate on the outboard side was bent, here's a 
>> picture of that:
>>  
>> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33988
>>  
>> With the help of a good Samaritan named Chris, and the chain tool that I 
>> carried, but had never bothered to learn how to use,the rivet was 
>> pressed back in well enough to get me home.
>>  
>> So tomorrow the chain goes to the bike store for a once over and a new 
>> master link.  However, I'm wondering if there is anything else in the 
>> drivetrain I should be looking for as a problem.  One thing for sure, I 
>> think I need to clean the chain more often than I have been, it was quite 
>> dirty.  I've been riding a reasonable amount of dirt and gravel, so I 
>> suppose its not a surprise.  But could that cause a wear problem like 
>> that?  Or are there other potential culprits?
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Jim in Boulder
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[RBW] Quick question on the Cheviot

[RJM]

It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my mind. 
Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot?
 
I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a mountain 
bike with albas. 

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

[Ron Mc]

you can find new SRAM chains for as little as $13, and a spare master link 
is a very light spare to haul along.  If you wear through a master link, 
your chain was probably stretched enough to affect shifting and 
sprocket/chainring wear.  

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 11:22:53 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Jim:
>
> Chains are cheap. I would definitely consider buying a new one. Have you 
> put a chain checker on it to see if it's overly worn? If the master link 
> was this far gone, chances are the rest of the chain is going to have 
> problems as well. 
>
> –Eric N
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Jim > wrote:
>
> Toodling along riding home from work and suddenly the pedals lock up 
> tight, won't turn.  I investigated and found that the master chain link 
> (SRAM 9 speed) had a couple problems.  The main problem is that the head of 
> the rivet that the master link connects to had apparently worn away, so the 
> opposite chain plate had come loose.  Here is a picture of the rivet and 
> the chain link
>  
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33994
>  
> In addition, the link plate on the outboard side was bent, here's a 
> picture of that:
>  
> https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33988
>  
> With the help of a good Samaritan named Chris, and the chain tool that I 
> carried, but had never bothered to learn how to use,the rivet was 
> pressed back in well enough to get me home.
>  
> So tomorrow the chain goes to the bike store for a once over and a new 
> master link.  However, I'm wondering if there is anything else in the 
> drivetrain I should be looking for as a problem.  One thing for sure, I 
> think I need to clean the chain more often than I have been, it was quite 
> dirty.  I've been riding a reasonable amount of dirt and gravel, so I 
> suppose its not a surprise.  But could that cause a wear problem like 
> that?  Or are there other potential culprits?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Jim in Boulder
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[RBW] Re: Gravel in New York State?

[Bob E]

Another area you may want to consider that's closer to Brooklyn is Putnam 
County, NY (just above Westchester). A while back in the RCOG group Mark in 
Beacon mentioned some dirt roads to the east of Cold Spring. Intrigued, 
I had mapped out a route starting from Metro North's Cold Spring train 
station, but I haven't gotten out that way just yet (I'm on the other side 
of the Hudson in New Jersey). Below is a snippet of Mark's post:
 
"I've been putting lots of miles on my rSogn,
with many of those being hardpack--Indian Brook Road, Old Albany Post
Rd, Sunken Mine Rd. Last Saturday did a 45 miler with about an hour of
singletrack, most of the rest hardpack; four hours of non-stop fun on
a bike."
 
Bob

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