[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Dive in and dare! I consider wrenching part of my brain injury therapy. I have difficulty with fine motor skills, and working gone my bikes forces me to do some of that, without it being overwhelming. Interestingly enough, the hardest thing in that regard is wrapping my handlebars. I've done bottom brackets, detailers, cables, brakes, and headsets and everything except wheel truing and building. As others have mentioned, youtube is great (be sure to get as close as possible to your type of component as possible, especially with headsets and bottom brackets and brakes, as there are differences between cantilever and center pull brakes, etc. I always check Sheldon's pages first. For me, youtube is great because I can remember how to do what I've already done, but don't remember doing. Sardonic grin. Have fun! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Thankful for rain
They were direct from Riv, sold as accessories to the big and little loafers. I got them around '07 or so. On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:00 PM, grrlyrida wrote: I was commuting in the rain also. Where did you get those bag covers? My medium saddle bag and large shop sack got soaked, but not its contents. My laptop and papers plus food stayed dry. But I'd like a cover over them to keep them looking nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Fear , any and every fear, has no basis in Truth. No self existent power to stand on it own. Hence, it is no-thing , nothing. You already know everything you'll ever know :) This IS Absolute Truth ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Thankful for rain
I love the beausage my SaddleSacks collect, and I've had them in days of heavy rain bikepacking and everything stayed dry inside. Any mud/dirt comes off easily and the bag looks great. No need for a rain cover, but want may be another story. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, December 4, 2014 11:00:55 PM UTC-7, grrlyrida wrote: I was commuting in the rain also. Where did you get those bag covers? My medium saddle bag and large shop sack got soaked, but not its contents. My laptop and papers plus food stayed dry. But I'd like a cover over them to keep them looking nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
trying to precisely bend a rack's rear strut tang over sidepull or centerpull caliper arms... OVER? I always put it UNDER. Wham, bam, it's done. On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:05:18 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: ...With a canti bike, it must be such a sweet feeling to just slide a front rack strut bolt into your fork crown and then tighten, ever so gently, along with the precisely fitting strut legs to your fork braze-ons, installing the rack in just 5 minutes instead of an hour or more trying to precisely bend a rack's rear strut tang over sidepull or centerpull caliper arms...what a rewarding sigh that must be, afterwards, as you take in the beauty of the newly installed front rack, with the smell of the fresh beeswax or Loctite in the air that was heated, ever so delicately, by the responsible torque-ing of the bolts...did I mention...done in just 5 minutes...the joyful anticipation of seeing how that front rack bag will look nestled onto that bike jewelry you just installed...ok, I'm being silly now... Really, I can't complain. I love and appreciate my bike and brakes so much, and it was a lot of fun to install the fenders and rack. I learned a lot and love the set up. And the challenges made it very rewarding when it was all done. But I remember thinking these type of things at the time I was wrestling with all the parts to get them installed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I was in the same situation as you a couple years ago. I learned from reading all of Sheldon Brown, internet videos (Part tool has great ones), and a basic maintenance class at my local bike co-op. Since then, I've taken a part-time job doing final assembly and maintenance on bikes at my LBS. They were actually willing to take someone with your level of skill and teach you the rest. They start you off in training for several weeks, where your bike builds are supervised and inspected, and then they decide if they want to hire you on for good after that. Having a project bike to learn on is great. Rivbikes have pretty traditional style components, so an 80s-90s beater bike would be roughly similar. More similar than a new bike, at least. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Fear , any and every fear, has no basis in Truth. No self existent power to stand on it own. Hence, it is no-thing , nothing. You already know everything you'll ever know :) This IS Absolute Truth ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Go where the pros go..You can attend classes, or buy the manuals, or get just the manual via PDF. http://www.bbinstitute.com/index.php I spent my two week vacation here back in 88.Have never regretted it. All in beautiful Colorado Springs. Jon On Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:25:42 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff. But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't wanna mess anything up. But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS for things. What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff. Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my Rivbikes. Any ideas? How'd you learn? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls
I don't know that I have anything pertinent to add to this thread, but I will say, that after installing metal fenders on my sidepull brake road bikebrakes on them. I just don't want any calipers limiting the height I can raise the fender to the fork crown. Centerpull like the new Compass or Paul Racer give you more room than all but the real fat tire MTBs would ever need. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015
Marc: I ‘ve put it on my calendar. Sounds great. Tom From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:57 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015 That sounds pretty cool. How long of a ride is it? On Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:05:21 AM UTC-6, Marc Irwin wrote: Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike rally in Michigan. Of course there are a lot of places many people would like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached international importance are right out my back door and I do it every year. Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs Campground and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the route of the Barry Roubaix http://barry-roubaix.com/ gravel race and spend the following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the weather) to Grand Rapids for the Art Prize competitionhttp://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2011/10/art-and-cycling.html. I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to tag along. It would be the last weekend of September 2015. Marc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Thankful for rain
I've had good luck with Rock n' Roads and Velo Orange fenders on my Atlantis, though the VO fenders have what I consider to be a poor mounting design that results in some horrible toe-overlap. I've had one nasty over-the-bars as a result of my foot getting caught in the fender hardware! But that aside, I have them setup with about 1cm of clearance all around the tire and it's been great. Sure there is the odd 'Ping pang' of rocks sliding through, but it's not that common. I took them off recently when I switched over to the 2.1 WTB Nano's. Actually, there might even be room for fenders with that tire, provided they didn't have large bolts on the inside of the fender like VO. Have you seen the fenders Handsome Cycles is making? http://handsomecycles.com/product/mud-butler-fenders-polished-silver They seem pretty great, and fit nice and tight to the tire if needed. This could help on frames that don't have a ton of room to begin with. Here's a photo of the Atlantis with RnR tires and VO Fenders https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Hv5uk314U2M/VIHOzRLcEbI/I0U/WBhjz5ngBDM/s1600/IMG_4732.JPG And here's a photo when you try to take a tight corner while drinking a coffee with a bike full of groceries but get caught up in your fender halfway through the curve. Oops! https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NAt8TYq0neM/VIHPUJAQB0I/I0c/QqB0JrraErk/s1600/IMG_4754.JPG On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:26:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: I love the beausage my SaddleSacks collect, and I've had them in days of heavy rain bikepacking and everything stayed dry inside. Any mud/dirt comes off easily and the bag looks great. No need for a rain cover, but want may be another story. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, December 4, 2014 11:00:55 PM UTC-7, grrlyrida wrote: I was commuting in the rain also. Where did you get those bag covers? My medium saddle bag and large shop sack got soaked, but not its contents. My laptop and papers plus food stayed dry. But I'd like a cover over them to keep them looking nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Wiping down your bike with a rag and looking closely at the parts will tell you a lot about how your bike is built and works. Begin with the headset, since it's already all there and it's unlikely you will need to replace everything right away (probabl just needs cleaning, fresh grease and reassembly). Glenn's manual, mentioned earlier in the comments, will get you pretty far with basic things that run on loose ball bearings. For sealed stuff, consult on of the later editions of the Bicycling magazine repair guides. If your city has a non-profit or DIY communal workspace, inquire about classes or one-on-one help. DIY spaces are usually cheap, friendly and fun places to hang out with others who love bicycles. Enjoy the process! Beth Hamon Portland, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Working on bikes and components that are not very precious and/or delicate makes you more relaxed and probably is the best way to start hands-on learning. If you have no desire whatsoever to have one more bike and just want to work on your Rivendell, you will progress and learn slower by a factor of ten or more probably... Any old scrap MTB is 98% the same as a custom Rivendell. (Much like the differences in the genome between chimpanzees and humans, that small difference have a huge impact on the appearance... :) ) All the nuts and bolts are the same, so I suggest buying a cheap 80's-90's MTB in bad condition and start fixing it, Riv' it up with a higher handlebar and so. Johan Larsson, Sweden On Friday, December 5, 2014 6:25:42 AM UTC+1, lungimsam wrote: I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff. But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't wanna mess anything up. But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS for things. What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff. Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my Rivbikes. Any ideas? How'd you learn? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Post Thanksgiving Cranksgiving Dirt Paradise Ride.
Thanks Geoffrey...s24o bound with another write up in the near future. Cheers, ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Geoffrey ring...@gmail.com wrote: Really cool write up and pics! On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:48:40 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: Chris, Alba ' s in Homers very near future. ~Hugh Los Angeles, CA On Dec 2, 2014 5:09 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com wrote: Hugh, currently, all my Rivs are albatross controlled. (and stay tuned for the Atlantis reveal) Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ topic/rbw-owners-bunch/VMrDBzC6SU8/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/VMrDBzC6SU8/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven.nau...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
+1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/ repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:50:20 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: +1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/ repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
It's all about having the right tools. Don't try anything unless you begin with the right tools. On Friday, December 5, 2014 11:24:08 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: Here's Riv's amazing Mark Abele installing a BB. What fascinates me about watching him is that he's quick, but very precise: He knows where everything is, and you can see him whip the tools right up to the contact point, then do a quick-slow-down just before he gets there so he's only touching the exact spot he's aiming for. That's good stuff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:50:20 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: +1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos, grease threads, go slow, and have fun! PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the bars? That kinda thing. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/ repair-help I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice you'll get it perfect every time. /Johan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
If you've got the tools bottom brackets and cranksets are pretty simple, nothing really to mess up there. Derailers are not that complicated either, it's basically about setting the limit screws to keep the chain from going where it's not supposed to. Headsets only get slightly complicated when you're switching them out, but just adjusting is no big deal. Bottom line, all the stuff you're already doing is just as tricky and complicated as the stuff you haven't done yet, so don't let the fear of messing something up dissuade you. That being said you probably want to leave wheel building to the LBS - or find somebody that can walk you through it check your work the first couple times. An old Peugeot is probably more similar to a Riv than any modern road or mountain bike as far as components are concerned, but breaking it down and rebuilding it seems like a lot of work just to learn. Attack things as they need adjusted or replaced, read up, and learn as you go. On Friday, December 5, 2014 12:25:42 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff. But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't wanna mess anything up. But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS for things. What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff. Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my Rivbikes. Any ideas? How'd you learn? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Uvas Gold 200K
Anyone other Bay Area riders or visitors doing the Uvas Gold 200K? Rumor has it that there are 90 signups, which is amazing for a December randonee. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
As others have said, parts aren't precious and steel will resist most efforts to damage it. I was lucky enough to be around a number of talented mechanics, and tutored by one in particular who was truly my sensei. Some of the process is messing up a bit. Rounding some bits off and solving problems which you caused. All of them demonstrated a Way of Working. A mechanic's approach. Though they never articulated these points out loud, here are some of the things I felt they taught: Learn to recognize that point at which you are about to apply needless force. Moving forward from that point is a choice. As is retreating. Understand that stepping back and staring at the problem is a vital step. By the time you have affixed wrench to part, you should know precisely what will happen. Smooth torque and leverage beats raining blows down upon things almost every time. I am not a rich enough man to buy cheap tools. (ok... this one I've seen written down). And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders Don't clamp the tubes. Pad nice frames. Use a workstand. Do not spin the pedals on a fixed gear without double checking where everyone's fingers are. Hang up your tools (or use the same apron pocket each time). Understand what the TLR's are. (Tools of Last Resort) Understand when to use them. Grease all threads. Also... when you go to use a crank puller. Always check one more time that the little washer isn't still sitting in there before you thread on the tool. hope that helps! - Jim cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Thankful for rain
Wait, Californians have discovered fenders? ;-) Yes, fenders come in handy, especially when you have to ride through the occasional big puddle. Which happens sometimes here in the rainy Northwest. So we are very thankful for fenders! https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15923087846/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15763154577/in/photostream/ -Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Yep: buy a beater and have at it! (But I'll bet that you already have the skills necessary to install a derailer.) By the way, how do you determine if your steerer tube is butted? Anyone? . . . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Thankful for rain
I have them on several bikes, mostly as a favor to all other Californians, because I know that it will start raining as soon as I take them off. If the dough gets any worse, off they come. —Eric N campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Shawn Granton urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, Californians have discovered fenders? ;-) Yes, fenders come in handy, especially when you have to ride through the occasional big puddle. Which happens sometimes here in the rainy Northwest. So we are very thankful for fenders! https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15923087846/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15763154577/in/photostream/ -Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Thankful for rain
IF the *drought* gets any worse. Darn autocorrect. —Eric N campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I have them on several bikes, mostly as a favor to all other Californians, because I know that it will start raining as soon as I take them off. If the dough gets any worse, off they come. —Eric N campyonly...@me.com mailto:campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Shawn Granton urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com mailto:urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, Californians have discovered fenders? ;-) Yes, fenders come in handy, especially when you have to ride through the occasional big puddle. Which happens sometimes here in the rainy Northwest. So we are very thankful for fenders! https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15923087846/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15923087846/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15763154577/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/15763154577/in/photostream/ -Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015
Actually, I do both, that weekend. Saturday, I ride the gravel roads of the Barry Roubaix and go up to spend a few hours at Art Prize on Sunday. Of course, either or both are an option for visitors. Marc On Thursday, December 4, 2014 11:09:35 AM UTC-5, Palmer wrote: Sounds great Mark. I am in the Muskegon area and would gladly participate. I like the Barry Roubaix idea better. Artprize can get pretty crazy in car and on foot even. Grand rapids isn't the most bike friendly in my experience 10 years ago, may be much better now. Tom Palmer Twin Lake, near Muskegon MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I learned by working on old 10 speeds and using Sheldon Browns site, YouTube, and copious amounts of the Zinn and the art of Road bike maintenance. My take-aways are; take your time, walk away when you get frustrated, having good tools/the right tools for the job can make things SO much easier, don't be afraid to consult the LBS if you get stuck, and finally its so supposed to be fun so enjoy yourself. I don't consider myself mechanically inclined lungimsam and I have rebuilt about 20 old 10 speeds in the last 7 years. I don't rebuild wheels but I do true them and do just about everything else. You can do it! Ryan On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:25:42 PM UTC-8, lungimsam wrote: I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff. But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't wanna mess anything up. But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS for things. What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff. Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my Rivbikes. Any ideas? How'd you learn? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on many a steel tube with no ill effects. I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, watching me. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders Don't clamp the tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Uvas Gold 200K
Yes, 102 riders at the last count. Should be fun. --Metin On Friday, December 5, 2014 9:43:30 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: Anyone other Bay Area riders or visitors doing the Uvas Gold 200K? Rumor has it that there are 90 signups, which is amazing for a December randonee. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I only have one more piece of hard learned advice on the bike-your hand is not a hammer, or a wrench or a pliers. It can be a crude substitute but yes, get the right tool. Don't be an idiot like me and try to loose a freewheel by banging on the wrench with your hand...1 surgery later lesson learned On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on many a steel tube with no ill effects. I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop, watching me. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders Don't clamp the tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:26:05 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: I only have one more piece of hard learned advice ... get the right tool. That is a very loose edit. Cost wise tools hurt at the outset. Around here they hurt worse than the first several repair bills from the local shop. Tool wise, 'good enough' is cheaper but 'very good' can add up, and it adds up. This list of musts and optional tools might be interesting to the OP. Smooth Tracks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Chris makes a great point. For someone starting out I would say go with park tools, they are good quality and built to last, yes they are pricey but looking at my tool box full of blue handles makes me feel less anxious when I get to the wrenching. The thing I cheaped out on and should have gotten a better one is a headset wrench, the one I had left gouges in soft metals, not fun. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Chris in Redding, Ca. campredd...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:26:05 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: I only have one more piece of hard learned advice ... get the right tool. That is a very loose edit. Cost wise tools hurt at the outset. Around here they hurt worse than the first several repair bills from the local shop. Tool wise, 'good enough' is cheaper but 'very good' can add up, and it adds up. This list of musts and optional tools might be interesting to the OP. Smooth Tracks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
+1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super nice/pricey, some not so much. On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Sackville Saddlesack small Olive
Saddlesack Small Olive. Like new condition asking $110.00. Interested in local sale only at this point in time So Cal 92313. Shoot me a txt and I will respond with a picture(S). Thanks, Richard 909 910-7424 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Also: Ball end hex wrenches will save you time and heartache. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: Just be careful. You can strip threads with a fancy tool too. Start all threads with your hands. Don't over torque bolts. Invest in a can of good anti-seize formula and a tube of locktite. Marvel how gorgeous loose bearings are when they're clean. And how good Paul bearing grease smells when it comes out of the tube or tub. Lock nuts and washers are cheap. Buy a box of 'em and replace them every time you remove one (okay this is a bit fastidious but I used to volunteer with an Aircraft mechanic). NEVER THROW OUT EXTRA SCREWS OR SPACERS. cc On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super nice/pricey, some not so much. On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Just be careful. You can strip threads with a fancy tool too. Start all threads with your hands. Don't over torque bolts. Invest in a can of good anti-seize formula and a tube of locktite. Marvel how gorgeous loose bearings are when they're clean. And how good Paul bearing grease smells when it comes out of the tube or tub. Lock nuts and washers are cheap. Buy a box of 'em and replace them every time you remove one (okay this is a bit fastidious but I used to volunteer with an Aircraft mechanic). NEVER THROW OUT EXTRA SCREWS OR SPACERS. cc On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I have various Park tools, plus a home mechanics set from Performance. I don't agree that everything has to be pricey Park stuff for the occasional hobby wrencher. My tool collection mimics my bikes: Some are super nice/pricey, some not so much. On Friday, December 5, 2014 3:20:21 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: +1 on Park Tools and anything Rivendell offers. It is amazing the difference in feel a quality tool has over a cheep one. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls
Great to hear Jan chime in here! Can anyone comment on benefits/risks of placing the centerpull braze-on posts so pads are normally at position of longest reach? That is, spec'ing post placement on a custom frame to match pads to rims, with pads at point of longest reach on the brake arms? It seems that will give the most clearance for inflated tires, but may also have an effect on braking, on effort required at the lever and cable travel. Maybe not enough to worry about? Or worth getting just right for specific rims? - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls
It definitely has an effect on the resulting mechanical advantage. Run the numbers on one of the online calculators to estimate how much of a difference it'll make. On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:05:00 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote: Great to hear Jan chime in here! Can anyone comment on benefits/risks of placing the centerpull braze-on posts so pads are normally at position of longest reach? That is, spec'ing post placement on a custom frame to match pads to rims, with pads at point of longest reach on the brake arms? It seems that will give the most clearance for inflated tires, but may also have an effect on braking, on effort required at the lever and cable travel. Maybe not enough to worry about? Or worth getting just right for specific rims? - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Platrack
Used but good condition nitto platrack. I just bought this in a combo from Michael Ullmer, but all I really needed was the slickersack. No mounting hardware, just the struts (scratched) and the platrack itself (not scratched). Would trade for a dynamo front light $90 local in Bay Area, actual shipping costs outside of the bay area. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Lots of good advice here. Sometimes cheap can be fine. I'd wager that the only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at Harbor Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing. But you'll never pry my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm rubber side up for good. BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter. That makes life SO much more pleasant! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
Seconded for the Park 3-way wrench, and good cable cutters (Park, too, in my case). On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:41:41 PM UTC-8, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Lots of good advice here. Sometimes cheap can be fine. I'd wager that the only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at Harbor Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing. But you'll never pry my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm rubber side up for good. BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter. That makes life SO much more pleasant! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
While the Park cable cutter is ok, the Felco I used while working at a bike shop this summer is leagues better. My guess is that costs leagues more too, but I haven't looked up the price. Jay Hartman. On Friday, December 5, 2014, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Seconded for the Park 3-way wrench, and good cable cutters (Park, too, in my case). On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:41:41 PM UTC-8, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Lots of good advice here. Sometimes cheap can be fine. I'd wager that the only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at Harbor Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing. But you'll never pry my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm rubber side up for good. BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter. That makes life SO much more pleasant! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Hains Point 100
http://www.hainspoint100.com/?page_id=71 I haven't done it before but I'm planning on getting out there and doing ~25 miles hopefully on the tandem with my wife... anyone else in the DC area thinking about it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015
I should know better than to call you Mark, Marc. Sorry, mate. Sean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
I'll look into it, my Park cutters are about ready for a Vintage Tools display at this point. I have a tendency to buy expensive tools *once *;) On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:59:04 PM UTC-8, jay hartman wrote: While the Park cable cutter is ok, the Felco I used while working at a bike shop this summer is leagues better. My guess is that costs leagues more too, but I haven't looked up the price. Jay Hartman. On Friday, December 5, 2014, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Seconded for the Park 3-way wrench, and good cable cutters (Park, too, in my case). On Friday, December 5, 2014 4:41:41 PM UTC-8, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Lots of good advice here. Sometimes cheap can be fine. I'd wager that the only difference between the Park digital caliper and the one I got at Harbor Freight for $15 is the color of the electronics housing. But you'll never pry my 3-way Park wrench out of my hands until I'm rubber side up for good. BTW, the single best tool I own is my Shimano cable cutter. That makes life SO much more pleasant! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Compass Babyshoe pass and Grand Bois Hetre actual width
Has anyone who owns both the Compass Babyshoe Pass and the Grand Bois Hetre measured both tires on the same rim to determine the actual width? I know that actual measured width varies with the rim, but if measured on the same rim we should know which tire is wider. Or are they dead-on the same? Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:25 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Any ideas? How'd you learn? Trial and error. Rivendell YouTube videos. Best tool in the garage: my stand. I'm not sure how I lived without one for so long. Makes everything so much easier. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
