date:20150108

I haven't had it get cold enough since I got my Sorel's to know for sure
(only got down to -10˚F I think), but I find them more constricting (less
wide) and far less flexible than a mukluk, both of which contribute greatly
to warmth. Plus, they do not ventilate well, which the mukluks do. So
warmer all round to go mukluk over Sorel, if you aren't caught in the
freeze/thaw cycle. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 6:20:30 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:

The only foot covering that I know of that could maybe, just maybe handle
that would be Sorrel boots with a couple of layers of socks inside. Even
then, I wouldn't want to ride far.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Eric Norris campyo...@me.com
javascript: wrote:

I’m in SoCal today (alas, with no bike) and it is indeed unnaturally warm
here. I had to run the AC in my rental car yesterday!

--Eric N
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On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:

Mark, those pictures are fantastic, thanks for them and the write up!

I posted a pic to the winter thread, but here's another one of today's
outing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16046526337/

I have no frame of reference for what you did!!!

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:28 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:

All I can say is you guy's are nuts!

Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and
adventure...though I have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out
here in the land of 20C

~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
Los Angeles, CA

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I
felt really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.

Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sqXhgL0B7_o/VK6j79NsbLI/JPs/laj-YUT9DoY/s1600/DSC_0143.jpg

Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into
the ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w7B0Z1THRG4/VK6kIGvURUI/JP0/2ItIledp7Ho/s1600/DSC_0187.jpg

And a few more from the ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tmkaUJn9Tlk/VK6itmfCdTI/JPE/tjawN72KYZQ/s1600/DSC_0159.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ddyyOU7Qq5Y/VK6izR2jl7I/JPM/d3HDei6RxAw/s1600/DSC_0180.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YAuZ70UNjak/VK6i3w7Ul9I/JPU/Fe6VCgePwJ4/s1600/DSC_0194.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bUJ4WKBd9ek/VK6i9WoSLCI/JPc/XTabLEyehKo/s1600/DSC_0259.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_JsCOMXyQqU/VK6jBf77VoI/JPk/G1sZtCo5OkY/s1600/DSC_0273.jpg

In the end I only made it halfway there. 85km later my toes had finally
frozen solid, and the sun was starting to get pretty low. I was riding
with
my dad, who's face had begun to blister and turn white from frostbite. We
were out for 5 hours. Later in the week, I was in the emergency room for a
minor cut and met two people who had turned their hands completely black
from exposure on that day, after being outside less than 10 minutes each.
I
felt pretty good about my 5 hours.

When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was
too much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not
regret at all.

I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so
I can test out the winter camping gear.

Get out there!

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Are you talking about the original stumpjumpers? I agree the headtube angle
is frightening.

I have a '94 RockHopper as my California bike (say it like AHHHNOLD) and
it's serviceable, but I'm hoping I can make this little piece of lipstick
fly.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Dave Johnston jdi...@gmail.com wrote:

I've ridden a couple MTN bikes from that era both Specialized, one was a
Stumpjumper sport and I thought the handling was just terrible. Not a joy
to ride. Way high BB and super slack angles just wasn't for me.

Does anybody actually like the way these bikes ride? If so I might be able
to arrange for you to get that lugged stumpy sport or send you a lead on a
great deal on the 25th Anniversary Stumpjumper.

Dave J

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:19:18 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

That is going to build up to be a damn fine bicycle.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:21:45 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com
wrote:

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of
the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)*
$430, which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a
bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but
funny*) reads with Rivendell Style Fork). I thought *WOW,... Now if
I could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more
like those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-origina
l-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_
Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Case in point: http://tinyurl.com/7yuh9u2

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

2015-01-08 Thread dougP

That's definitely pushing the envelope. Good on ya for pulling the plug
when you did. This makes my silly little photo of snow in SoCal look
pretty wimpy. The only commonality on the two rides is we both were on
Atlantis. Heck, I didn't even wear full fingered gloves (dumb mistake on
my part; lack of experience).

dougP

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.

Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sqXhgL0B7_o/VK6j79NsbLI/JPs/laj-YUT9DoY/s1600/DSC_0143.jpg

I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C
sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down
jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe
warmers.

Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the
ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w7B0Z1THRG4/VK6kIGvURUI/JP0/2ItIledp7Ho/s1600/DSC_0187.jpg

And a few more from the ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tmkaUJn9Tlk/VK6itmfCdTI/JPE/tjawN72KYZQ/s1600/DSC_0159.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ddyyOU7Qq5Y/VK6izR2jl7I/JPM/d3HDei6RxAw/s1600/DSC_0180.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YAuZ70UNjak/VK6i3w7Ul9I/JPU/Fe6VCgePwJ4/s1600/DSC_0194.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bUJ4WKBd9ek/VK6i9WoSLCI/JPc/XTabLEyehKo/s1600/DSC_0259.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_JsCOMXyQqU/VK6jBf77VoI/JPk/G1sZtCo5OkY/s1600/DSC_0273.jpg

When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
at all.

I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I
can test out the winter camping gear.

Get out there!

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

I agree the early Stumpies made awful mountain bikes (at least by today's 
standards)... But considering Specialized was trying to dial in the right 
trail geometry without having any market feedback, they started getting it 
right within a few short years (the 85 geometry was already a big improvement). 
 And the silver lining: the early Stumpies made better all-rounders, and what 
they may have lacked in pure technical (trail) agility they more than make up 
in pure style.  
An old Stumpy with a set of Big Apples and a Brooks saddle is 100% badass. 

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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Surlyprof

For what it's worth, I was considering the Handsome Devil at one time and 
it was a nice bike with all the braze-ons needed for both racks and 
fenders.  Their single speed is the Fredward.  That comes with fenders but 
I'm not sure if has the braze-ons for racks.  The Devil rides nicely and I 
liked the geometry better than I liked my old Cross Check.  Both appeared 
to handle up to 40s without fenders and only 35s with fenders.  Overall, I 
liked the bike for the money but wanted a Hillborne.

John

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 12:00:15 PM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 I don't know if you are looking for a complete bike or you are willing to 
 build up a frameset but check out the Handsome Cycles Devil.  It's got 
 73/73 angles, 70mm BB drop, 45mm rake fork and 55.5-56.0 cm effective 
 top-tube.  It is a rim brake compatible frameset and will easily take 40mm 
 tires.  It has forward facing dropouts so single-speeding it will be simple 
 and you'll end up with chainstays in the 44cm range.  All-in-all, it has 
 almost the same geometry as a 1984 Bridgestone RB-T and similar geometry to 
 a Rivendell Legolas.  The only thing I'm not sure about is rear rack 
 compatibility because I have zero experience with those and don't even know 
 what braze-ons are needed.  




 On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 6:33:00 PM UTC-6, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?



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[RBW] Re: Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread Mike Schiller

I had an '87 Stumpy Comp, last year of lugged frames, Toyo built. It was 
also the 1st year of Norba geomtry ( 71/73). Mine had a custom biplane 
fork.  Nice bike but IMO  26 wheels  are terrible for serious off road 
compared to 29ers.   
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/7089294979/in/set-72157629565315711
~mike
Carlsbad Ca

 


 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ram/Roadeo/Hilsen Frame (ready to take the Riv plunge!)

2015-01-08 Thread Bill M.

Scroll down, there's a very nice 59 cm Roadeo listed on the board right
now...

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 8:14:13 AM UTC-8, Nick Ybarra wrote:

Howdy all,

About a year ago, I bought a 650b Miyata 912 conversion off this list from
Bill Lindsay (thanks, Bill!). Since then I've ridden the heck out of the
bike and really love it for commuting and bike camping. See here for some
good action shots of the bike:

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#45
34

http://theradavist.com/2014/11/skipping-town-halloween-go-bicycle-camping/#24

So, after a year, I'm fully drinking the Riv-style Kool-Aid. I think I'm
ready for my first Riv for faster, lighter road riding. I'm looking for a
60cm Ram or Hilsen or a 59cm Roadeo. I'd prefer a frame/fork/headset since
I have nice Campy 10 speed parts ready for a build, but would also consider
a complete bike. Anywho, just let me know if anyone has anything
available. Cheers!

-Nick

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[RBW] Re: question for those who ride with a White Industries double crank

2015-01-08 Thread Anton Tutter

You can even try removing the crank and re-seating it (with grease) without 
rotating. That happened to me with a new Rene Herse crankset, but simply 
re-seating it on the spindle fixed it.

If it doesn't fix it, try noting the phase of the lateral out-of-round. 
i.e., where along the 360 degree path is the crank arm when the chainring 
is the farthest out.  Then remove and reinstall 180 degrees out of phase. 
Is the farthest out point of the out-of-round still in the same place 
relative to the crank arm?  Or is it now 180 out of phase?  If the former, 
then likely the chainring is bent, and the crank arm is installed perfectly 
straight. If the latter, the BB is bent.

Anton, who is frequently out of phase with things.


On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:18:25 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

 I've been riding with a White Industries VBC crank on my Atlantis since 
 the spring and it's been great, except for one nagging thing. The large 
 ring doesn't seem to be dead straight/flat. If I look down at the chain 
 ring while I am pedalling, I can see it moving from side to side in between 
 the front derailleur. That means it is really hard to trim the front der. 
 and not get any buzzing from the chain scrapping against it. It has to be 
 *JUST* right to not contact.

 Now I have some single speed White rings and they are all dead straight. 
 So I'm curious... could it be the cheapo BB I have (It wasn't even 10 
 bucks. bought it to test the spindle length and decided to ride it till it 
 died. Turns out it's quite tough!), or do White rings have a certain amount 
 of flutter? 

 It's about 3mm of total side-to-side movement I'd say.


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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread Patrick Moore

In my experience, the later ones -- early '90s, when they were still steel
-- are among the best mountain bikes ever; far better IMO than the very
early ones, which for all their looks handled (to my taste) like pigs. My
'90 Stumpjumper Comp and '91 SJ Team were truly neutral in handling -- off
road, they went where you pointed and were neither twitchy nor sluggish. My
DB Axis Team from the same period handled if possible even nicer. That era
certainly hit a sweet spot.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB
montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of
the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430,
which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a
bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but
funny*) reads with Rivendell Style Fork). I thought *WOW,... Now if I
could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-
original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/
301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread James Warren

I remember those days. In '91, I test-rode Stumpjumpers and Rockhoppers. Geometry not as good as the Bridgestones for me. I loved that long Bridgestone TT. (I ended up buying the '91 MB-4, my first big bike purchase. That bike's still going strong today.) The Diamond Backs of those days felt great too, similar to the Bridgestones for me.

Slowly steering this back on-topic, there sure was a lot offun development of mountain bike geometry between the original Stumpjumpers and the early 90's. It makes those original Stumpjumpers curious specimens. So desirable in some ways, but maybe too archaic to be fun for a lot of people to ride now?

-Original Message- From: Patrick Moore Sent: Jan 8, 2015 6:42 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch Subject: Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow In my experience, the later ones -- early '90s, when they were still steel-- are among the best mountain bikes ever; far better IMO than the veryearly ones, which for all their looks handled (to my taste) like pigs. My'90 Stumpjumper Comp and '91 SJ Team were truly neutral in handling -- offroad, they went where you pointed and were neither twitchy nor sluggish. MyDB Axis Team from the same period handled if possible even nicer. That eracertainly hit a sweet spot.On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Chris Chen wrote: A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger sibling: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/ On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430, which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment. As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further... there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but funny*) reads "with Rivendell Style Fork"). I thought *WOW,... Now if I could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...* Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork) On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote: As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it. It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft. Collins. I have stood and stared at it. Dave Nawrocki Ft. Collins, CO -- *From: *"Chris Chen" *To: *rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com *Sent: *Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM *Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like those $100 water bottles: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper- original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/ 301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d I don't know whether to laugh or cry -- "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.-- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.Other professional writing services.http://www.resumespecialties.com/www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten**The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of acircumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, andindividualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu*Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle*The Love that moves

[RBW] Re: 2015 Redlands Strada Rossa

2015-01-08 Thread dougP

While I couldn't ride the event last year, my wife  I rode our Atlantii 
around town, enjoying the small town community feel of Redlands.  Of 
course, we stayed for the festivities and chatter with the hardy souls who 
did the ride.  Great people, a good cause  some serious bike oggling to do 
while tipping a pint of the Inland Empire's finest brew.  

Those in the know bring extra tubes, patches, a real pump and maybe use 
slimy stuff.  It's a perfect chance to try any new  exiting multi-surface 
tires you may have been lusting after.  

dougP

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 The powers that be just finalized the dates and times for this spring's 
 RSR: March 21st! Up to date info on the official RSR blog: 
 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ 

 This event is directly inspired from the great social RBW-Google Group 
 rides we have been doing here in SoCal. I wanted to expand upon those, and 
 try to morph those with something similar to the D2R2 
 http://www.franklinlandtrust.org/d2r2 which just looks like an amazing 
 event. The RSR is the result, and you are all cordially invited to come 
 over and enjoy the festivities!

 It's a 100km mixed-terrain ride in Inland SoCal. This year we are going to 
 add a 50km half-metric route as well. Both routes are very doable if you're 
 used to riding that particular distance. There will be some singletrack and 
 a little bit of busy road, but the VAST majority of each will be on dirt 
 fire roads and paved back country roads. 

 There were 135 riders last year, and we're hoping to grow it to 200 this 
 year. It's NOT a race, but definitely more than a parade, and from my 
 position there is a fantastic fun vibe permeating the event. Many of the 
 SoCal usual suspects came over last year, and it definitely has a 
 Rivendell-friendly feel to it. Super-fast roadies, dual-sus MTBers, 
 Albatross-riding Rivenistas, professional cyclocross racers and local high 
 school kids. Just everybody having a good time on a bike! Pics from last 
 year do get you inspired: 
 https://www.flickr.com/groups/redlands-strada-rossa/

 In order to make it more of an event, this year we are adding on a Friday 
 night party, and a second ride up in the hills on Sunday. So if you're 
 tempted to come out for the day, consider coming out early and/or staying 
 late! There are motels and business hotels in town, but we can probably 
 scare up a sofa or a back room somewhere as well. And it's definitely 
 family friendly. Non-riding family members and significant others should 
 have a full day exploring the down/area, as well as enjoying the post-ride 
 party with vegi/vegan food, kegs and live music. 

 The Inland Empire Bicycling Alliance http://iebikingalliance.org who 
 oversees the event is going to be charging $25 for it. Technically it's not 
 for the event itself, but for membership in the their non-profit. This 
 keeps it as a club-member event which helps with insurance as well as 
 advocacy. Nobody is trying to get rich from this, and your money is going 
 to support a group that does a LOT of good in the IE. Here's their FB page 
 if you want to see more of what they're about: 
 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Inland-Empire-Biking-Alliance/156207984434074  
 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Inland-Empire-Biking-Alliance/156207984434074

 Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions!!! I hope to 
 see a bunch of you in March!

 -- 
 Cheers,
 David

 Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal



  

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

That looks like a Tange Prestige sticker in one of the photos...that and the 
unicrown fork suggests it's perhaps a 1986?  Really nice, if still available 
pay him whatever he asks and throw in unlimited beer for an entire year.

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread Eric Platt

Early Stumpjumpers were 68 degrees. The first version of the Stumpjumper Sport 
was 67 degrees. The chainstays were 18.5 and 19 inches, respectively.

Eric Platt

On January 8, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Dave Johnston jdi...@gmail.com wrote:

I looked up the Geo of the '89 Koga and the head angle is supposed to be 72°. 
Rake is 46mm. Any idea what the head angle of the early Stumpjumpers was?


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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Does anybody actually like the way these bikes ride? If so I might be able
to arrange for you to get that lugged stumpy sport or send you a lead on a
great deal on the 25th Anniversary Stumpjumper.

Dave J

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:19:18 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

That is going to build up to be a damn fine bicycle.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:21:45 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com
wrote:

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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*Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-
original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/
301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2015 Redlands Strada Rossa

2015-01-08 Thread James Warren

And my favorite pizza on the planet! In downtown Redlands.
-Original Message- From: dougP Sent: Jan 8, 2015 5:35 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: 2015 Redlands Strada Rossa While I couldn't ride the event last year, my wife I rode our Atlantii around town, enjoying the small town community feel of Redlands. Of course, we stayed for the festivities and chatter with the hardy souls who did the ride. Great people, a good cause some serious bike oggling to do while tipping a pint of the Inland Empire's finest brew. Those in the know bring extra tubes, patches, a real pump and maybe use slimy stuff. It's a perfect chance to try any new exiting multi-surface tires you may have been lusting after. dougPOn Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: The powers that be just finalized the dates and times for this spring's RSR: March 21st! Up to date info on the official RSR blog: http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ This event is directly inspired from the great social RBW-Google Group rides we have been doing here in SoCal. I wanted to expand upon those, and try to morph those with something similar to the D2R2 which just looks like an amazing event. The RSR is the result, and you are all cordially invited to come over and enjoy the festivities! It's a 100km mixed-terrain ride in Inland SoCal. This year we are going to add a 50km half-metric route as well. Both routes are very doable if you're used to riding that particular distance. There will be some singletrack and a little bit of busy road, but the VAST majority of each will be on dirt fire roads and paved back country roads. There were 135 riders last year, and we're hoping to grow it to 200 this year. It's NOT a race, but definitely more than a parade, and from my position there is a fantastic fun vibe permeating the event. Many of the SoCal usual suspects came over last year, and it definitely has a Rivendell-friendly feel to it. Super-fast roadies, dual-sus MTBers, Albatross-riding Rivenistas, professional cyclocross racers and local high school kids. Just everybody having a good time on a bike! Pics from last year do get you inspired: https://www.flickr.com/groups/redlands-strada-rossa/ In order to make it more of an event, this year we are adding on a Friday night party, and a second ride up in the hills on Sunday. So if you're tempted to come out for the day, consider coming out early and/or staying late! There are motels and business hotels in town, but we can probably scare up a sofa or a back room somewhere as well. And it's definitely family friendly. Non-riding family members and significant others should have a full day exploring the down/area, as well as enjoying the post-ride party with vegi/vegan food, kegs and live music. The Inland Empire Bicycling Alliance who oversees the event is going to be charging $25 for it. Technically it's not for the event itself, but for membership in the their non-profit. This keeps it as a club-member event which helps with insurance as well as advocacy. Nobody is trying to get rich from this, and your money is going to support a group that does a LOT of good in the IE. Here's their FB page if you want to see more of what they're about: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Inland-Empire-Biking-Alliance/156207984434074 Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions!!! I hope to see a bunch of you in March! -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread James Warren

Mike, I like that model a lot. Thanks for sharing!
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[RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

OK, this might be the weirdest winter project I've ever taken on, but I did 
put in some serious design work today, and the concept is actually taking 
shape.  This Winter project is that I am going to build my own desmodromic 
rear derailer.  What the heck is that?  A desmodromic mechanism is 
something that is actively driven in all directions.  The most well known 
desmodromic mechanism, and what you'll see if you Google the word 
desmodromic , is Ducati valves.  A rotating cam throws the valve open and 
another rotating cam throws it closed.  There is no return spring.  It's 
driven open and closed.  Some classic old French derailers had a loop of 
cable that, like a push-me-pull-you, would drag the derailer to the left 
and to the right.  The parallelogram had no return spring.  Much more 
recently, White Industries made a desmodromic shifting system, called the 
LMDS (Linear Motion Derailer System).  Look it up, it's pretty swank.  

So, what I've got scoped out, is that I'm going to take my favorite stock 
rear derailer (RD-M760-GS low normal), remove the spring, and set it up for 
a secondary cable. The actuating mechanism of our modern derailers is a 
parallelogram with a pretty complex geometry.  Those of us used to friction 
shifting with lots of gears can attest to the fact that the derailer 
responds differently at different places in the sweep of the shifter.  For 
me the incredibly sensitive spot is dropping from the biggest cog on the 
cassette to the next one.  You just touch the shifter and it moves.  It's 
super sensitive.  I did all the measurements and calculations and now the 
data tells me why.  The geometry of the parallelogram demands it.  So, I 
need a shifter with a profile that isn't round.  It needs to be a profile 
that complements the geometry of the parallelogram of my derailer.  Let's 
say you want to move the shifter 120 degrees to sweep all the way from cog 
1 to cog 9.  Then, ideally, you want every one of those 8 steps to be 
exactly 15 degrees of movement.  With the right shifter profile, that's no 
problem, if you can do the math, then do the design, and then have a 
manufacturing method that can produce one of them.  This is where 3D 
printing comes in.  

The really complex math exercise that gets you to the shifter profile that 
pulls the RD-M760-GS in *this *direction gets repeated once you figure out 
where to put a secondary cable to pull the derailer in *that *direction.  
Those profiles need to also have the property that they counterbalance each 
other so you never get even a bit of slack in the cable, allowing you to 
actuate both cables with one shiftlever.  Push me pull you.  That's why 
White Industries made the LMDS on sliders.  They at least made the derailer 
motion linear, and the cable motion linear, so the math wouldn't be so 
GNARLY.  

Me, I don't plan on building a derailer, and I don't mind the math.  Today 
I worked out the GNARLY math and have both cam profiles.  I now need to 
strong arm my brother in law to translate my numbers into a solidworks 
model.  Once that's done, it's trivial to 3D print this weird cammish 
shifter, and try to hook up a DIY desmodromic rear shifting system.  The 
real key compnent is to modify an existing shifter design that has 
adjustable and equal friction in both directions and fits into a really 
small space.  I'm going to base my design on this Cheapo Simplex model.  

French AND Cheapo http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/380734533172?lpid=82chn=ps

If I can emulate that plastic inner shifter piece, but implement my optimal 
cam profile, and figure out a cable fixing mechanism to prevent slipping at 
the shifter, then getting it 3D printed is practically free.  

Why do it?  Well, Jan goes on and on how much the rest of the world wastes 
energy pushing against a spring to shift in this direction and having 
nothing to do with the shift in that direction because only the spring is 
doing it.  I just wanted to see what it is he's fussing about.  I don't 
want to buy a 1930s Singer or Herse for $15000, and I don't want to build a 
totally custom $2 bike like Jan did, but I do want to explore.  I don't 
even want to spend the $400 it takes to buy a WI LMDS on Ebay.  But, if I 
can spend $50 and a number of hours exploring something in detail that I 
had previously just taken for granted, that amounts to a Winter project for 
me.  

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:

 Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through 
 winter. The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the 
 conditions, plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize 
 that at this time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to 
 go with the anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for 
 the extra bandwidth.

 My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a 
 lively tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop

[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

2015-01-08 Thread Evan

Mark,

Dang! You are one tough rider. 

So, did the water in your stainless bottle freeze after ten minutes or did 
you add a liberal dose of vodka as antifreeze?

Evan E.
SF, CA



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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

and here's me, thinking that the FatLantis can't get any more butch.and
there he goes, getting more butch.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.

Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sqXhgL0B7_o/VK6j79NsbLI/JPs/laj-YUT9DoY/s1600/DSC_0143.jpg

I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C
sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down
jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe
warmers.

Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the
ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w7B0Z1THRG4/VK6kIGvURUI/JP0/2ItIledp7Ho/s1600/DSC_0187.jpg

And a few more from the ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tmkaUJn9Tlk/VK6itmfCdTI/JPE/tjawN72KYZQ/s1600/DSC_0159.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ddyyOU7Qq5Y/VK6izR2jl7I/JPM/d3HDei6RxAw/s1600/DSC_0180.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YAuZ70UNjak/VK6i3w7Ul9I/JPU/Fe6VCgePwJ4/s1600/DSC_0194.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bUJ4WKBd9ek/VK6i9WoSLCI/JPc/XTabLEyehKo/s1600/DSC_0259.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_JsCOMXyQqU/VK6jBf77VoI/JPk/G1sZtCo5OkY/s1600/DSC_0273.jpg

When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
at all.

I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I
can test out the winter camping gear.

Get out there!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread Joe Bernard

I have a soft spot for those early-90's Stumpjumpers. Around 93/94 there 
was a green one with silver decals, grey saddle and tires, and clear grips. 
Really pretty, and quite subdued-looking for that era. I should start 
looking around...

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:58:29 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:

 Mike, I like that model a lot. Thanks for sharing!

 -Original Message- 
 From: Mike Schiller 
 Sent: Jan 8, 2015 7:04 PM 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Wow, I mean, just wow 

 I had an '87 Stumpy Comp, last year of lugged frames, Toyo built. It was 
 also the 1st year of Norba geomtry ( 71/73). Mine had a custom biplane 
 fork. Nice bike but IMO 26 wheels are terrible for serious off road 
 compared to 29ers. 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/7089294979/in/set-72157629565315711
 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca






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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Philip Williamson

All these suggestions are great. I'd jump on the listed QB and the S3X 
wheel, myself. At that target price, my first thought was also, The poor 
man's Quickbeam is a Quickbeam!

For brand new, Black Mountain cross frame is $600, and lots of nice fixed 
wheelsets were on Craigslist for $100 recently. Those are the two biggest 
expenses: frame and wheels. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 4:33:00 PM UTC-8, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?


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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow



Chris, Not sure the year but here is a pic of a Stumpjumper Sport I helped 
restore to working order for a friend. Hated the ride. But I like the ride 
of my 1989 Koga Miyata Valley Runner. (also pictured)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eYf2QsngM8w/VK84YMppHEI/AHY/PnJEEofvAP4/s1600/Stumpy%2Bsport.jpg
 
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kHrGTcrQtE4/VK84to2I0iI/AHg/UO0iWRElaAY/s1600/KMVR.jpg



On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 8:56:33 PM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Are you talking about the original stumpjumpers? I agree the headtube 
 angle is frightening.

 I have a '94 RockHopper as my California bike (say it like AHHHNOLD) and 
 it's serviceable, but I'm hoping I can make this little piece of lipstick 
 fly.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Patrick Shea

You could also buy my 56cm old-style Riv road fr/f/hs/bb. 56 is the new 54
in the Shire. It's been through Hell but I imagine that to be a good mark
of a survivor. It spent about 10 years as my fixed gear commuter: fenders,
28c Randonnuers, rack eyelets, nice. It finished the legendary
Paris-Brest-Druex in 2007 (as well as all the brevets) with no scratches
and no flats but it did incur a weld-separation-incident the night before
the start. French Jah-Bey Weld, a steel hose clamp, and leather toe strap
solved that little annoyance. Fixed properly back in the USA! USA! USA! by
a metal arts teacher/cyclist. Oh, I could go on for awhile about it's
moods, likes and dislikes, and even re-live that fixed gear singletrack
stuff on Mt. Tam but I won't. Oh yeah, frame is unpainted except for the
original silver on the Riv fork. Plenty of pics available. $750 pick-up in
Bay Area or $800 shipped to lower 48. LUGS.

Cheers,
Patrick Shea

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood 
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com wrote:

 To me the ugly part of the fork is that it's straight blade. There are
 apparently San Joses with curved forks, but most of them seem to have been
 straight. Unicrown isn't a deal-breaker for me, since everything else is
 great! (And, apparently a straight-blade fork wasn't a deal-breaker,
 either, although I'd love to replace it with a curved one at some point!)

 My San Jose is in dark blue, in case anyone has the matching curved
 fork... :-)

 -- Liz


 On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:06:29 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Only downside to the San Jose is that it has a unicrown fork. That means
 it's cheap, but it also means it's ugly.

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood 
 elisabeth...@gmail.com wrote:

 I second the Bianchi San Jose. It has everything you're looking for, at
 well under your budget.

 Since Bianchi (sadly and inexplicably) doesn't seem to be making them
 anymore, you'll have to buy used. But I think even last year Bianchi was
 selling just the frame, so maybe a dealer can hook you up with one.

 -- Liz


 On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 7:33:00 PM UTC-5, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike.
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually
 ride a 54.

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other
 suggestions?

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[RBW] Re: question for those who ride with a White Industries double crank

Mine is pretty darn straight, but I'm using a WI bottom bracket as well.  
3mm seems like kind of a lot.  Maybe pull the arms and put them back on 90 
degrees different and see if that changes anything.  Maybe you should 

##brace yourself for divisive comment##

grease the spindle 

##resume normal level of readiness##

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 I've been riding with a White Industries VBC crank on my Atlantis since 
 the spring and it's been great, except for one nagging thing. The large 
 ring doesn't seem to be dead straight/flat. If I look down at the chain 
 ring while I am pedalling, I can see it moving from side to side in between 
 the front derailleur. That means it is really hard to trim the front der. 
 and not get any buzzing from the chain scrapping against it. It has to be 
 *JUST* right to not contact.

 Now I have some single speed White rings and they are all dead straight. 
 So I'm curious... could it be the cheapo BB I have (It wasn't even 10 
 bucks. bought it to test the spindle length and decided to ride it till it 
 died. Turns out it's quite tough!), or do White rings have a certain amount 
 of flutter? 

 It's about 3mm of total side-to-side movement I'd say.


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Ram/Roadeo/Hilsen Frame (ready to take the Riv plunge!)

Joe

Here's an entire ALBUM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629709054752/

And here's the standard BODY SHOT
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7345511078/in/set-72157629709054752

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 12:22:17 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

The Miyata 912 is an awesome bike! I am still mourning mine, a 1988
that cracked circumferentially around the top tube, at the rear cable
exit. I keep thinking it would make an awesome S+S bike (but I don't
have any travel plans).

I must have missed Bill's when it came up last - show us the pics, Bubba!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 1/8/15, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
Nick

Your photos almost make me regret selling you that Miyata. I love(d)
that
bike! I almost bought another 912 recently because that one kicked so
much

butt! Do you need to sell it back?

For a really nice budget substitute for a 59 Roadeo, give Black Mountain
Cycles a look. You know where to find my photos of mine.

Bill

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 8:14:13 AM UTC-8, Nick Ybarra wrote:

Howdy all,

About a year ago, I bought a 650b Miyata 912 conversion off this list
from

Bill Lindsay (thanks, Bill!). Since then I've ridden the heck out of
the

bike and really love it for commuting and bike camping. See here for
some

good action shots of the bike:

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#45

http://theradavist.com/2014/11/skipping-town-halloween-go-bicycle-camping/#24

So, after a year, I'm fully drinking the Riv-style Kool-Aid. I think
I'm

ready for my first Riv for faster, lighter road riding. I'm looking
for a

60cm Ram or Hilsen or a 59cm Roadeo. I'd prefer a frame/fork/headset
since
I have nice Campy 10 speed parts ready for a build, but would also
consider
a complete bike. Anywho, just let me know if anyone has anything
available. Cheers!

-Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: question for those who ride with a White Industries double crank

Hah! I'm ready. Great idea about turning it 90 degrees though. I'll give
that a shot. While I have it off the bike, I'll try laying the large ring
on a granite surface, that should shed some light as well.

And yes, can never have too much grease.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mine is pretty darn straight, but I'm using a WI bottom bracket as
 well.  3mm seems like kind of a lot.  Maybe pull the arms and put them back
 on 90 degrees different and see if that changes anything.  Maybe you should

 ##brace yourself for divisive comment##

 grease the spindle

 ##resume normal level of readiness##


 On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 I've been riding with a White Industries VBC crank on my Atlantis since
 the spring and it's been great, except for one nagging thing. The large
 ring doesn't seem to be dead straight/flat. If I look down at the chain
 ring while I am pedalling, I can see it moving from side to side in between
 the front derailleur. That means it is really hard to trim the front der.
 and not get any buzzing from the chain scrapping against it. It has to be
 *JUST* right to not contact.

 Now I have some single speed White rings and they are all dead straight.
 So I'm curious... could it be the cheapo BB I have (It wasn't even 10
 bucks. bought it to test the spindle length and decided to ride it till it
 died. Turns out it's quite tough!), or do White rings have a certain amount
 of flutter?

 It's about 3mm of total side-to-side movement I'd say.

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch

That is going to build up to be a damn fine bicycle.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:21:45 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of
the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430,
which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a
bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but
funny*) reads with Rivendell Style Fork). I thought *WOW,... Now if I
could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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*Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-
original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/
301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ram/Roadeo/Hilsen Frame (ready to take the Riv plunge!)

For faster lighter riding you might be better off with the 912. The 650b
wheel will have a lighter feel than a fat 700c. I have a Miyata 310 in 700c
and it feels as good as the Ram. A rodeo might be zippier, a Hilsen is more
toury.

-Dave

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 11:14:13 AM UTC-5, Nick Ybarra wrote:

Howdy all,

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#45
34

http://theradavist.com/2014/11/skipping-town-halloween-go-bicycle-camping/#24

-Nick

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Re: [RBW] Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Eric Daume

All City Space Pony is another good bet, although the dropouts don't have
quite the adjustment range of the QB or even the Cross Check.

If you're really poor, you could look for a late 70s/early 80s sport
touring bike. Those have pretty generous clearance and usually short
horizontal dropouts.

But I'm going to circle back around and vote for the Cross Check:
http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/10/ways-to-build-surly-cross-check.html


On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:33 PM, N. Llama nathanspr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike.
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually
 ride a 54.

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other
 suggestions?

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

I looked up the Geo of the '89 Koga and the head angle is supposed to be 
72°. Rake is 46mm. Any idea what the head angle of the early Stumpjumpers 
was?


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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
wrote:

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of
the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430,
which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a
bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but
funny*) reads with Rivendell Style Fork). I thought *WOW,... Now if I
could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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*Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-
original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/
301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread David Hays

Does begin to make me wonder….
A friend offered me this a few years ago as he and his wife had new hybrid
bikes.
I was beginning to have few many bikes and said I’d see if I found anyone
interested.
He said it was a 1984:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/71834221@N00/sets/72157650129619306/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/71834221@N00/sets/72157650129619306/
Not wanting to steal it but what’s it worth?
Thanks.
David Hays
Kenmore, New York

On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
mailto:montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:
I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of the
lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for (only) $430, which
I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further... there's
another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a bi-plane fork
crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (serious but funny) reads with
Rivendell Style Fork). I thought WOW,... Now if I could only find an
original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:
As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft. Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

From: Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM
Subject: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like those
$100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Re: [RBW] Re: question for those who ride with a White Industries double crank

2015-01-08 Thread Shoji Takahashi

Hi Mark,
Another data point: I've got VBC double on my Hunqapillar, and it's also 
pretty darn straight. 

BTW: love the cold-weather pix! Stay warm my friend.

shoji



On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 5:03:10 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Hah! I'm ready. Great idea about turning it 90 degrees though. I'll give 
 that a shot. While I have it off the bike, I'll try laying the large ring 
 on a granite surface, that should shed some light as well. 

 And yes, can never have too much grease. 

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Mine is pretty darn straight, but I'm using a WI bottom bracket as 
 well.  3mm seems like kind of a lot.  Maybe pull the arms and put them back 
 on 90 degrees different and see if that changes anything.  Maybe you should 

 ##brace yourself for divisive comment##

 grease the spindle 

 ##resume normal level of readiness##


 On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 I've been riding with a White Industries VBC crank on my Atlantis since 
 the spring and it's been great, except for one nagging thing. The large 
 ring doesn't seem to be dead straight/flat. If I look down at the chain 
 ring while I am pedalling, I can see it moving from side to side in between 
 the front derailleur. That means it is really hard to trim the front der. 
 and not get any buzzing from the chain scrapping against it. It has to be 
 *JUST* right to not contact.

 Now I have some single speed White rings and they are all dead straight. 
 So I'm curious... could it be the cheapo BB I have (It wasn't even 10 
 bucks. bought it to test the spindle length and decided to ride it till it 
 died. Turns out it's quite tough!), or do White rings have a certain amount 
 of flutter? 

 It's about 3mm of total side-to-side movement I'd say.

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

That's an INCREDIBLE collector. I'm not a collector, and it's too small to
be a rider, but dang, that's incredible. Too many impressive details to
list. That one maybe should be on display, at least at one of these
Specialized concept shops.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 2:36:39 PM UTC-8, David Hays wrote:

Does begin to make me wonder….
A friend offered me this a few years ago as he and his wife had new hybrid
bikes.
I was beginning to have few many bikes and said I’d see if I found anyone
interested.
He said it was a 1984:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/71834221@N00/sets/72157650129619306/
Not wanting to steal it but what’s it worth?
Thanks.
David Hays
Kenmore, New York

On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org javascript:
wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of
the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430,
which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a
bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but
funny*) reads with Rivendell Style Fork). I thought *WOW,... Now if I
could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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*To: *rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM
*Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-
original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/
301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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[RBW] 2015 Redlands Strada Rossa

The powers that be just finalized the dates and times for this spring's
RSR: March 21st! Up to date info on the official RSR blog:
http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/

This event is directly inspired from the great social RBW-Google Group
rides we have been doing here in SoCal. I wanted to expand upon those, and
try to morph those with something similar to the D2R2
http://www.franklinlandtrust.org/d2r2 which just looks like an amazing
event. The RSR is the result, and you are all cordially invited to come
over and enjoy the festivities!

It's a 100km mixed-terrain ride in Inland SoCal. This year we are going to
add a 50km half-metric route as well. Both routes are very doable if you're
used to riding that particular distance. There will be some singletrack and
a little bit of busy road, but the VAST majority of each will be on dirt
fire roads and paved back country roads.

There were 135 riders last year, and we're hoping to grow it to 200 this
year. It's NOT a race, but definitely more than a parade, and from my
position there is a fantastic fun vibe permeating the event. Many of the
SoCal usual suspects came over last year, and it definitely has a
Rivendell-friendly feel to it. Super-fast roadies, dual-sus MTBers,
Albatross-riding Rivenistas, professional cyclocross racers and local high
school kids. Just everybody having a good time on a bike! Pics from last
year do get you inspired:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/redlands-strada-rossa/

In order to make it more of an event, this year we are adding on a Friday
night party, and a second ride up in the hills on Sunday. So if you're
tempted to come out for the day, consider coming out early and/or staying
late! There are motels and business hotels in town, but we can probably
scare up a sofa or a back room somewhere as well. And it's definitely
family friendly. Non-riding family members and significant others should
have a full day exploring the down/area, as well as enjoying the post-ride
party with vegi/vegan food, kegs and live music.

The Inland Empire Bicycling Alliance http://iebikingalliance.org who
oversees the event is going to be charging $25 for it. Technically it's not
for the event itself, but for membership in the their non-profit. This
keeps it as a club-member event which helps with insurance as well as
advocacy. Nobody is trying to get rich from this, and your money is going
to support a group that does a LOT of good in the IE. Here's their FB page
if you want to see more of what they're about:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Inland-Empire-Biking-Alliance/156207984434074
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Inland-Empire-Biking-Alliance/156207984434074

Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions!!! I hope to see
a bunch of you in March!

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

But wouldn't it be even cooler if it was ridden? :)

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

That's an INCREDIBLE collector. I'm not a collector, and it's too small
to be a rider, but dang, that's incredible. Too many impressive details to
list. That one maybe should be on display, at least at one of these
Specialized concept shops.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 2:36:39 PM UTC-8, David Hays wrote:

Does begin to make me wonder….
A friend offered me this a few years ago as he and his wife had new
hybrid bikes.
I was beginning to have few many bikes and said I’d see if I found anyone
interested.
He said it was a 1984:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/71834221@N00/sets/72157650129619306/
Not wanting to steal it but what’s it worth?
Thanks.
David Hays
Kenmore, New York

On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com
wrote:

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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*To: *rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM
*Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-origina
l-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_
Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Why haven't you stolen it yet? :)

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:36 PM, David Hays 23writ...@gmail.com wrote:

Does begin to make me wonder….
A friend offered me this a few years ago as he and his wife had new hybrid
bikes.
I was beginning to have few many bikes and said I’d see if I found anyone
interested.
He said it was a 1984:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/71834221@N00/sets/72157650129619306/
Not wanting to steal it but what’s it worth?
Thanks.
David Hays
Kenmore, New York

On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

A totally different animal, but I just picked up its 10 year younger
sibling:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16045975348/

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Montclair BobbyB
montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of
the lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430,
which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a
bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but
funny*) reads with Rivendell Style Fork). I thought *WOW,... Now if I
could only find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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*To: *rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM
*Subject: *[RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-
original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/
301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

2015-01-08 Thread nawrock

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it. 
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft. Collins. 
I have stood and stared at it. 

Dave Nawrocki 
Ft. Collins, CO 

- Original Message -

From: Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:49:32 AM 
Subject: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow 

Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like those 
$100 water bottles: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d
 

I don't know whether to laugh or cry 

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[RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub?

2015-01-08 Thread Matthew J

 That's interesting. What about the Interloc Racing (IRD)'s freewheels:

When they first came out there were the internet lit up with quality 
complaints.  The pawls would strip and many noted uneven spacing between 
the cogs.

Mike Kone of Boulder Bicycle / Rene Herse Custom Bicycle says the current 
IRD freewheels are much better.  As I have a horde of Suntour freewheels, 
I've no inclination to try Mike's word.

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

2015-01-08 Thread hsmitham

All I can say is you guy's are nuts!

Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and adventure...though I
have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out here in the land of 20C

~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
Los Angeles, CA

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.

Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sqXhgL0B7_o/VK6j79NsbLI/JPs/laj-YUT9DoY/s1600/DSC_0143.jpg

I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C
sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down
jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe
warmers.

Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the
ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w7B0Z1THRG4/VK6kIGvURUI/JP0/2ItIledp7Ho/s1600/DSC_0187.jpg

And a few more from the ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tmkaUJn9Tlk/VK6itmfCdTI/JPE/tjawN72KYZQ/s1600/DSC_0159.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ddyyOU7Qq5Y/VK6izR2jl7I/JPM/d3HDei6RxAw/s1600/DSC_0180.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YAuZ70UNjak/VK6i3w7Ul9I/JPU/Fe6VCgePwJ4/s1600/DSC_0194.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bUJ4WKBd9ek/VK6i9WoSLCI/JPc/XTabLEyehKo/s1600/DSC_0259.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_JsCOMXyQqU/VK6jBf77VoI/JPk/G1sZtCo5OkY/s1600/DSC_0273.jpg

When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
at all.

I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I
can test out the winter camping gear.

Get out there!

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[RBW] WTB: 9 speed shifters

2015-01-08 Thread Tim Gavin

I'm looking for a set of 9-speed shifters.  I'll take friction (silvers or
similar), 9-speed index, or even 11-speed Campy Ergos, if you just have to
part with a set.  Let me know what you have!

Or, if you'd like to trade, I have:
Sackville trunksack large, olive, VG
Stronglight 99 triple crankset w/Campy SR BB, VG
Revelate designs Tangle bag, large, new
Velo Orange Constructeur front rack, VG
Nitto Big Front rack 34F, VG
Tektro R559 brakes with Kool stop pads, VG/G

I'm refinishing the frame of my '88 Schwinn KOM (bead blast, clear coat
powder) and swapping out the original 6-speed XT Uniglide/Araya RM-20's for
some 9-speed wheels from an '05 Cannondale.

I know that I had a set of Silver shifters, but I remembered that I put
them on my daughter's bike (Bianchi 650b conversion).  The KOM's current
Suntour Accushift Barcons don't have enough travel for 9 speeds, if I
recall correctly.

Let me know what you have to offer!

Thanks,
Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: [RBW] Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Flynn, Hugh

I’ve been riding my CC as a poor-man’s Quick Beam Style fixed gear for about 15 
years. I’ve been very very happy with it. 

I gather that since I bought mine, they have added front and rear rack mount 
braze-ons. That’s a good thing. 

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA



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 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. Steel 
 single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm tire, 
 and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for my 
 commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would be a 
 plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually ride a 
 54. 
 
 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other suggestions?
 
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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Amit Singh

Did you see the post from a few days ago? 54cm Quickbeam for sale.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/vtheaeYwTIU

On Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:33:00 UTC-8, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?


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Re: [RBW] Wow, I mean, just wow

I recently chased a similar '82 Stumpy on eBay (first production run of the
lugged version) that was in nice shape, all original, and manufactured
literally 6 months after this TIG model. But IT sold for *(only)* $430,
which I thought was market price, and yet an excellent investment.

As if this isn't OT enough, I'm going to stray just a bit further...
there's another early mountain bike on eBay (Univega Alpina Uno) with a
bi-plane fork crown, (and a solid buy IMO) where the ad (*serious but funny*)
reads with Rivendell Style Fork). I thought *WOW,... Now if I could only
find an original '83 Rivendell in decent shape...*

Univega Alpina Uno (w/Riv Style Fork)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-1983-Univega-Alpina-Uno-19-Steel-Mountain-Bike-Rivendell-Style-Fork-/231442108761?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item35e3065159

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:44:30 AM UTC-5, Dave Nawrocki wrote:

As I was looking at this bike it occurred to me that i recognized it.
It is way up high in the Lees cycle shop on Harmony road here in Ft.
Collins.
I have stood and stared at it.

Dave Nawrocki
Ft. Collins, CO

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Not Rivvy, but lugged and totally up most people's alleys but more like
those $100 water bottles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1982-Specialized-Stumpjumper-original-No-3XX-of-500-Vintage-History-Classic-/301473293725?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item463135659d

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Rambouillet (Blue) complete $1300/obo + shipping

2015-01-08 Thread sean

Glad to see my old ride still bringing happiness and joy. Gotta love 
Rivendell!




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Re: [RBW] FS: 50cm Rambouillet (Blue) complete $1300/obo + shipping

2015-01-08 Thread johnb

Monica has a new-to-her bike. :-) Bike sold.

On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:44:44 PM UTC-5, Monica Way wrote:

Oh, and perhaps that was unclear. No, I have NOT been able to retrieve my
stolen Rambouillet yet, but I'm still diligently trying!

Monica
On Dec 29, 2014 12:09 PM, Monica Way m...@monicaway.com javascript:
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Hi John,

Such a beautiful bicycle you have! I had my 50cm Rambouillet stolen from
my home in North Berkeley in November. Yours looks lovely, a slightly
different hue of blue than mine was. Beautiful.

I'm interested!

Are you in the Bay Area, by chance?

I've CC'd the group so folks know I know about it. I've had quite an
outpouring of support to help me retrieve mine.

Thanks!
Monica
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wrote:

I am selling a bike that I picked up here a little less than two years
ago. This is a great bike. I am just going in a different direction. It
will also include the Testers paints that make up the replacement color.
There are some paint dings that I have tried to capture in the Flickr set.
The items that are bolded are upgrades from the original.

Frame/fork: 50cm Rivendell Rambouillet (blue)
Headset: Shimano Ultegra
Stem: Nitto Technomic Deluxe
Handlebars: Nitto Noodle 41cm with Lizardskins white tape.
*Brake levers: Tektro 341 (340s for smaller hands)*
*Shifters: Dura Ace bar end (8 speed)*
*Brakes: Paul Medium Racer *
Cranks: Sugino XD triple (170mm)
Front Der.: Shimano 105
Rear Der.: Shimano Ultegra
Hubs: Shimano 105
T*ires: Compass 1.5 x 26*
*Cassette: 8 spd (I think it could be 105)*
*Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack*
Rims: 26. Not sure here. Came from Rivendell without stickers.Either
way the rims are classic Riv and have been great.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Rambouillet$2050cm/rbw-owners-bunch/Gryr5R-Rivg/W2PjYo7h9OwJ
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157649974206861/

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Re: [RBW] FS: 50cm Rambouillet (Blue) complete $1300/obo + shipping

Perfect!!!

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:16 AM, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote:

 Monica has a new-to-her bike. :-) Bike sold.

 On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:44:44 PM UTC-5, Monica Way wrote:

 Oh, and perhaps that was unclear. No, I have NOT been able to retrieve my
 stolen Rambouillet yet, but I'm still diligently trying!

 Monica
 On Dec 29, 2014 12:09 PM, Monica Way m...@monicaway.com wrote:

 Hi John,

 Such a beautiful bicycle you have! I had my 50cm Rambouillet stolen from
 my home in North Berkeley in November. Yours looks lovely, a slightly
 different hue of blue than mine was. Beautiful.

 I'm interested!

 Are you in the Bay Area, by chance?

 I've CC'd the group so folks know I know about it. I've had quite an
 outpouring of support to help me retrieve mine.

 Thanks!
 Monica
 On Dec 28, 2014 12:10 PM, johnb jbus...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am selling a bike that I picked up here a little less than two years
 ago. This is a great bike. I am just going in a different direction. It
 will also include the Testers paints that make up the replacement color.
 There are some paint dings that I have tried to capture in the Flickr set.
 The items that are bolded are upgrades from the original.

 Frame/fork: 50cm Rivendell Rambouillet (blue)
 Headset: Shimano Ultegra
 Stem: Nitto Technomic Deluxe
 Handlebars: Nitto Noodle 41cm with Lizardskins white tape.
 *Brake levers: Tektro 341 (340s for smaller hands)*
 *Shifters: Dura Ace bar end (8 speed)*
  *Brakes: Paul Medium Racer *
 Cranks: Sugino XD triple (170mm)
 Front Der.: Shimano 105
 Rear Der.: Shimano Ultegra
  Hubs: Shimano 105
 T*ires: Compass 1.5 x 26*
 *Cassette: 8 spd (I think it could be 105)*
 *Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack*
 Rims: 26. Not sure here. Came from Rivendell without stickers.Either
 way the rims are classic Riv and have been great.


 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-
 bunch/Rambouillet$2050cm/rbw-owners-bunch/Gryr5R-Rivg/W2PjYo7h9OwJ
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157649974206861/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub?

2015-01-08 Thread Tony DeFilippo

IRD released an updated FW design they are calling Classica and they are
still closing out their earlier design Defiant at around $33 a FW.  It'll
be a while before I build the wheel up so I'm not in a rush.  I'd be happy
to help someone clean out their garage to finish this project though!

**WTB***

-wide range freewheel 30T+ low end desired, 28T would work
-650B rim(s)






On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

  That's interesting. What about the Interloc Racing (IRD)'s freewheels:

 When they first came out there were the internet lit up with quality
 complaints.  The pawls would strip and many noted uneven spacing between
 the cogs.

 Mike Kone of Boulder Bicycle / Rene Herse Custom Bicycle says the current
 IRD freewheels are much better.  As I have a horde of Suntour freewheels,
 I've no inclination to try Mike's word.

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[RBW] Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.

Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sqXhgL0B7_o/VK6j79NsbLI/JPs/laj-YUT9DoY/s1600/DSC_0143.jpg

I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C
sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down
jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe
warmers.

Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the
ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w7B0Z1THRG4/VK6kIGvURUI/JP0/2ItIledp7Ho/s1600/DSC_0187.jpg

And a few more from the ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tmkaUJn9Tlk/VK6itmfCdTI/JPE/tjawN72KYZQ/s1600/DSC_0159.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ddyyOU7Qq5Y/VK6izR2jl7I/JPM/d3HDei6RxAw/s1600/DSC_0180.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YAuZ70UNjak/VK6i3w7Ul9I/JPU/Fe6VCgePwJ4/s1600/DSC_0194.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bUJ4WKBd9ek/VK6i9WoSLCI/JPc/XTabLEyehKo/s1600/DSC_0259.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_JsCOMXyQqU/VK6jBf77VoI/JPk/G1sZtCo5OkY/s1600/DSC_0273.jpg

When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
at all.

I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I
can test out the winter camping gear.

Get out there!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

That looks great! I nose breathe, and anything that get in front of my 
nostrils drives me batty (not hard to do). Like you, I use merino wool 
Buffs.

With abandon,
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[RBW] WTB: Ram/Roadeo/Hilsen Frame (ready to take the Riv plunge!)

2015-01-08 Thread Nick Ybarra

Howdy all,

About a year ago, I bought a 650b Miyata 912 conversion off this list from 
Bill Lindsay (thanks, Bill!).  Since then I've ridden the heck out of the 
bike and really love it for commuting and bike camping.  See here for some 
good action shots of the bike:  

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#
 
http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#45
34
http://theradavist.com/2014/11/skipping-town-halloween-go-bicycle-camping/#24

So, after a year, I'm fully drinking the Riv-style Kool-Aid.  I think I'm 
ready for my first Riv for faster, lighter road riding.  I'm looking for a 
60cm Ram or Hilsen or a 59cm Roadeo.  I'd prefer a frame/fork/headset since 
I have nice Campy 10 speed parts ready for a build, but would also consider 
a complete bike.  Anywho, just let me know if anyone has anything 
available.  Cheers!

-Nick 

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[RBW] Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread N. Llama

I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
ride a 54. 

The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
suggestions?

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Re: [RBW] Re: How long does the rivbike.com $75+ free shipping via USPS take?

2015-01-08 Thread Jim Bronson

Package was waiting on the front door yesterday when I got home.
Thanks for the feedback.  An interesting arrangement for sure, UPS
shipping with USPS last-mile delivery system.

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 UPS Surepost can vary wildly in speed, I liken to USPS Parcel Post, meaning
 it gets the (s)lowest priority of all packages and delivery time is forever
 uncertain .

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

That's the way it goes with inadequate footwear. And lets face it, at those 
temps nearly everything is inadequate. But do not ever let your fingers or 
toes get to the point you think they are warm again, despite conditions 
being the same. That's the very edge of frostbite.

I've wanted a face mask that covers my nose. I'm fine when climbing, but in 
a headwind or on the downhills, flesh will freeze off very fast.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 9:08:54 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Very cool, thanks Patrick! I'll definitely check them out. I was using 
 45NTH Wolvhammer boots with an SPD clip, which up until that ride have kept 
 my toasty warm on every ride I've ever used them on, including comparable 
 temperatures. But about 2 hours into the ride I started getting cold. 3 
 hours in and I was uncomfortable. Shortly after I lost all feeling in my 
 toes, which was the driving force in the decision to stop riding. Another 
 4-5 hours out there would have meant nasty damage for sure. For extreme 
 cold, flat pedals and non-clip boots seem to be a must if you're out for a 
 long time. 

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Awesome, Mark! You've got me beat, both in distance and temp. Wow! I've 
 done those temps winter camping, but not by bike. Tip of me tammie to you! 
 You definitely made the right call to shorten the ride. At those temps and 
 winds, anything you do without losing a digit (or worse) is a roaring 
 success. Feet are definitely the trickiest. For that level of cold, I'd 
 suggest Empire or Steger Mukluks. They don't work for me because we don't 
 get that kind of cold but for a few days at a time, and the days are 
 gennarally too warm for them (they rot out if it's too warm). But for zero 
 and below, they are brilliant! I had -30˚F (or colder, the thermometer 
 bottomed out) and had warm feet just sitting around in them. But my attempt 
 to use Stegers only survived 30 days (14 of use) due to the rotting issue 
 with freeze/thaw. Steger in the end made it right. For overnights, you need 
 multiple liners so they can dry out, as well as a good rotation of socks. 
 We can talk more off group if you have further questions.

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[RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

Awesome, Mark! You've got me beat, both in distance and temp. Wow! I've 
done those temps winter camping, but not by bike. Tip of me tammie to you! 
You definitely made the right call to shorten the ride. At those temps and 
winds, anything you do without losing a digit (or worse) is a roaring 
success. Feet are definitely the trickiest. For that level of cold, I'd 
suggest Empire or Steger Mukluks. They don't work for me because we don't 
get that kind of cold but for a few days at a time, and the days are 
gennarally too warm for them (they rot out if it's too warm). But for zero 
and below, they are brilliant! I had -30˚F (or colder, the thermometer 
bottomed out) and had warm feet just sitting around in them. But my attempt 
to use Stegers only survived 30 days (14 of use) due to the rotting issue 
with freeze/thaw. Steger in the end made it right. For overnights, you need 
multiple liners so they can dry out, as well as a good rotation of socks. 
We can talk more off group if you have further questions.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

Very cool, thanks Patrick! I'll definitely check them out. I was using
45NTH Wolvhammer boots with an SPD clip, which up until that ride have kept
my toasty warm on every ride I've ever used them on, including comparable
temperatures. But about 2 hours into the ride I started getting cold. 3
hours in and I was uncomfortable. Shortly after I lost all feeling in my
toes, which was the driving force in the decision to stop riding. Another
4-5 hours out there would have meant nasty damage for sure. For extreme
cold, flat pedals and non-clip boots seem to be a must if you're out for a
long time.

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 Awesome, Mark! You've got me beat, both in distance and temp. Wow! I've
 done those temps winter camping, but not by bike. Tip of me tammie to you!
 You definitely made the right call to shorten the ride. At those temps and
 winds, anything you do without losing a digit (or worse) is a roaring
 success. Feet are definitely the trickiest. For that level of cold, I'd
 suggest Empire or Steger Mukluks. They don't work for me because we don't
 get that kind of cold but for a few days at a time, and the days are
 gennarally too warm for them (they rot out if it's too warm). But for zero
 and below, they are brilliant! I had -30˚F (or colder, the thermometer
 bottomed out) and had warm feet just sitting around in them. But my attempt
 to use Stegers only survived 30 days (14 of use) due to the rotting issue
 with freeze/thaw. Steger in the end made it right. For overnights, you need
 multiple liners so they can dry out, as well as a good rotation of socks.
 We can talk more off group if you have further questions.

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

I use a surly steamroller as my single speed. Fits 32mm tires but uses 
traditional road side-pull brakes. It doesn't have braze-ons for racks, so 
I use either a Mark's Rack with a wald basket ziptie'd on, or a Paul 
Flatbed rack with p-clamps. It's been great. It can take fenders, but only 
with 28mm tires. 

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 6:33:00 PM UTC-6, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Minh

if you have to buy new the surlys are a good option, but there are a lot of 
single-speed bikes out there just look around and they'll pop up.  but none 
of them are QBs or SOs, for those, i think if you're patient and are 
judicious with parts selection you can come in at $1600 by picking up a 
second hand one.  i paid less then that for my QB a few years ago (second 
owner).


On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:33:00 PM UTC-5, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

All City nature boy is another option. It has fender mounts, more
clearance, horizontal track ends. No mid-blade rack mounts but you could
very easily mount a wald basket or any other rack that mounts at the
dropout.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:

 if you have to buy new the surlys are a good option, but there are a lot
 of single-speed bikes out there just look around and they'll pop up.  but
 none of them are QBs or SOs, for those, i think if you're patient and are
 judicious with parts selection you can come in at $1600 by picking up a
 second hand one.  i paid less then that for my QB a few years ago (second
 owner).


 On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 7:33:00 PM UTC-5, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike.
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually
 ride a 54.

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other
 suggestions?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Welcome Wagon [Share Your Pics]

Another orange 'Beam in it's natural envirnoment this morning:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15612531533/
Overheated by the end of it in a t-shirt and wool pullover.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
wrote:


 Ha!  As I've said over the years, this is when the folks out in California
 get very quiet

 But, Saturday's ride _did_ require tights, warm socks and two layers of
 wool under the wind vest...

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/16001467278/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Clayton.sf

Look at the Bianchi San Jose. It is the riv approved poor man's QB.

Clayton, SF

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coldest Ride on a Rivendell Ever?

Mark, those pictures are fantastic, thanks for them and the write up!

I posted a pic to the winter thread, but here's another one of today's
outing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/16046526337/

I have no frame of reference for what you did!!!

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:28 AM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

All I can say is you guy's are nuts!

Well I'll add this, Mark a really compelling story and adventure...though
I have to say I'll pay the high real estate prices out here in the land of
20C

~Hugh shivering at 7C Smitham
Los Angeles, CA

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

The temperature was hovering around -12C for most of the week, so I felt
really good about it. Then the day before, everything changed.

Here's the Atlantis kitted up for the rid

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sqXhgL0B7_o/VK6j79NsbLI/JPs/laj-YUT9DoY/s1600/DSC_0143.jpg

I had a North Face 4-season winter tent in one pannier. A North Face -30C
sleeping bag in the other. Carradice bag had spare/dry mitts, hat, down
jacket, etc. Front bag had camera, food and a pile of chemical hand/toe
warmers.

Here's a photo a family member took of me while I was about 45km into the
ride. She had just asked me if I was having fun.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w7B0Z1THRG4/VK6kIGvURUI/JP0/2ItIledp7Ho/s1600/DSC_0187.jpg

And a few more from the ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tmkaUJn9Tlk/VK6itmfCdTI/JPE/tjawN72KYZQ/s1600/DSC_0159.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ddyyOU7Qq5Y/VK6izR2jl7I/JPM/d3HDei6RxAw/s1600/DSC_0180.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YAuZ70UNjak/VK6i3w7Ul9I/JPU/Fe6VCgePwJ4/s1600/DSC_0194.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-bUJ4WKBd9ek/VK6i9WoSLCI/JPc/XTabLEyehKo/s1600/DSC_0259.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_JsCOMXyQqU/VK6jBf77VoI/JPk/G1sZtCo5OkY/s1600/DSC_0273.jpg

When I arrived at the cabin, the warmth of the fire and blankets was too
much to overcome. I spent the night warm and toasty, which I do not regret
at all.

I'm going to attempt a much shorter overnight in a few weeks though, so I
can test out the winter camping gear.

Get out there!

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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Jim M.

If you use a White eccentric hub, any vertical dropout frame will work too. 
For example, this Univega on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVEGA-STEEL-CYCLOCROSS-COMMUTER-TOURING-BIKE-FRAME-SET-CANTILEVER-V-BRAKE-55CM-/281473194657?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item41891c1aa1

With the White hub, a Black Mountain Cycles cross frame would fit the bill 
too.

jim m
wc ca

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 4:33:00 PM UTC-8, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Ram/Roadeo/Hilsen Frame (ready to take the Riv plunge!)

2015-01-08 Thread Joe Bunik

I must have missed Bill's when it came up last - show us the pics, Bubba!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 1/8/15, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Nick

Your photos almost make me regret selling you that Miyata. I love(d) that
bike! I almost bought another 912 recently because that one kicked so much

butt! Do you need to sell it back?

For a really nice budget substitute for a 59 Roadeo, give Black Mountain
Cycles a look. You know where to find my photos of mine.

Bill

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 8:14:13 AM UTC-8, Nick Ybarra wrote:

Howdy all,

About a year ago, I bought a 650b Miyata 912 conversion off this list from

Bill Lindsay (thanks, Bill!). Since then I've ridden the heck out of the

bike and really love it for commuting and bike camping. See here for some

good action shots of the bike:

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#45
34

http://theradavist.com/2014/11/skipping-town-halloween-go-bicycle-camping/#24

So, after a year, I'm fully drinking the Riv-style Kool-Aid. I think I'm

ready for my first Riv for faster, lighter road riding. I'm looking for a

-Nick

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ram/Roadeo/Hilsen Frame (ready to take the Riv plunge!)

2015-01-08 Thread sean

Awesome pics. I need to find time to get out of Dodge on my rig and hit up 
some of these nearby camp spots. Looks like a great time.

Sean
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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Edwin W

My 1970's Raleigh Sprite serves as my poor man's quickbeam. I converted it 
from 1x5 to fixed and it works well. Only apace for 32s under the fenders, 
but what can you do?
There are so many old steel bikes that would serve as a poor man's quick 
beam. You have to give up a bit of the perfect-ness of a quick beam, but 
that is what you get for being a poor man.


Edwin

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 6:33:00 PM UTC-6, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

Only downside to the San Jose is that it has a unicrown fork. That means
it's cheap, but it also means it's ugly.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood 
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I second the Bianchi San Jose. It has everything you're looking for, at
 well under your budget.

 Since Bianchi (sadly and inexplicably) doesn't seem to be making them
 anymore, you'll have to buy used. But I think even last year Bianchi was
 selling just the frame, so maybe a dealer can hook you up with one.

 -- Liz


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 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike.
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually
 ride a 54.

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other
 suggestions?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Elisabeth Sherwood

To me the ugly part of the fork is that it's straight blade. There are 
apparently San Joses with curved forks, but most of them seem to have been 
straight. Unicrown isn't a deal-breaker for me, since everything else is 
great! (And, apparently a straight-blade fork wasn't a deal-breaker, 
either, although I'd love to replace it with a curved one at some point!)

My San Jose is in dark blue, in case anyone has the matching curved fork... 
:-)

-- Liz


On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:06:29 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Only downside to the San Jose is that it has a unicrown fork. That means 
 it's cheap, but it also means it's ugly. 

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Elisabeth Sherwood elisabeth...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I second the Bianchi San Jose. It has everything you're looking for, at 
 well under your budget.

 Since Bianchi (sadly and inexplicably) doesn't seem to be making them 
 anymore, you'll have to buy used. But I think even last year Bianchi was 
 selling just the frame, so maybe a dealer can hook you up with one.

 -- Liz


 On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 7:33:00 PM UTC-5, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 9 speed shifters

2015-01-08 Thread Tim Gavin

Thanks, I found a set of bar-ends on another web list.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 11:51:43 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:

 I'm looking for a set of 9-speed shifters.  I'll take friction (silvers or 
 similar), 9-speed index, or even 11-speed Campy Ergos, if you just have to 
 part with a set.  Let me know what you have!

 Or, if you'd like to trade, I have:
 Sackville trunksack large, olive, VG
 Stronglight 99 triple crankset w/Campy SR BB, VG
 Revelate designs Tangle bag, large, new
 Velo Orange Constructeur front rack, VG
 Nitto Big Front rack 34F, VG
 Tektro R559 brakes with Kool stop pads, VG/G

 I'm refinishing the frame of my '88 Schwinn KOM (bead blast, clear coat 
 powder) and swapping out the original 6-speed XT Uniglide/Araya RM-20's for 
 some 9-speed wheels from an '05 Cannondale.

 I know that I had a set of Silver shifters, but I remembered that I put 
 them on my daughter's bike (Bianchi 650b conversion).  The KOM's current 
 Suntour Accushift Barcons don't have enough travel for 9 speeds, if I 
 recall correctly.

 Let me know what you have to offer!

 Thanks,
 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA


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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Elisabeth Sherwood

I second the Bianchi San Jose. It has everything you're looking for, at 
well under your budget.

Since Bianchi (sadly and inexplicably) doesn't seem to be making them 
anymore, you'll have to buy used. But I think even last year Bianchi was 
selling just the frame, so maybe a dealer can hook you up with one.

-- Liz


On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 at 7:33:00 PM UTC-5, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?


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[RBW] question for those who ride with a White Industries double crank

I've been riding with a White Industries VBC crank on my Atlantis since the 
spring and it's been great, except for one nagging thing. The large ring 
doesn't seem to be dead straight/flat. If I look down at the chain ring 
while I am pedalling, I can see it moving from side to side in between the 
front derailleur. That means it is really hard to trim the front der. and 
not get any buzzing from the chain scrapping against it. It has to be 
*JUST* right to not contact.

Now I have some single speed White rings and they are all dead straight. So 
I'm curious... could it be the cheapo BB I have (It wasn't even 10 bucks. 
bought it to test the spindle length and decided to ride it till it died. 
Turns out it's quite tough!), or do White rings have a certain amount of 
flutter? 

It's about 3mm of total side-to-side movement I'd say.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Ram/Roadeo/Hilsen Frame (ready to take the Riv plunge!)

Nick

Your photos almost make me regret selling you that Miyata. I love(d) that
bike! I almost bought another 912 recently because that one kicked so much
butt! Do you need to sell it back?

For a really nice budget substitute for a 59 Roadeo, give Black Mountain
Cycles a look. You know where to find my photos of mine.

Bill

On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 8:14:13 AM UTC-8, Nick Ybarra wrote:

Howdy all,

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#

http://theradavist.com/2014/12/escaping-black-friday-bicycle-camping-bourbon-black-coffee/#45
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http://theradavist.com/2014/11/skipping-town-halloween-go-bicycle-camping/#24

-Nick

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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

For $1,600, your poor man's Quickbeam could be a Quickbeam. Grin. As other 
suggest, check out Craig's list. I found mine via a nationwide search and 
the owner actually knew me from this group and my photos and was happy to 
go to the extra effort of shipping it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Poor man's Quickbeam?

2015-01-08 Thread Surlyprof

There is also a 58cm Quickbeam on sfbayarea craigslist: 
 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/4828695491.html

John


On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 4:33:00 PM UTC-8, N. Llama wrote:

 I have suddenly become enamored with the idea of a Quickbeam type bike. 
 Steel single speed with drop bars, V or canti brakes, take at least a 28mm 
 tire, and a rear rack, nothing too crazy, but geared low enough to make for 
 my commute and some of the rail trails around here. Fenders eyelets would 
 be a plus Mostly complete I'd like the bike to come under $1600. I usually 
 ride a 54. 

 The only option I've seen so far is the Cross Check SS, Any other 
 suggestions?


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