Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[islaysteve]

Jim M and others: just curious, is the pre-87 requirement partly to eliminate 
the "safely" brake levers and other features which I assume were govt-required 
at some point? 1987 sounds about right for those, but they may have appeared 
sooner.
Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tough Eggs

[islaysteve]

Liesl, that looks like a loaded Saddlesack XS on the front.  Do you know about 
how much weight you carry in it, and does it affect the handling? Asking since 
I have a Bleriot and am thinking I will put the XS on the front when I get (and 
use) a larger bag for the rear.  Thanks,
Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tough Eggs

[Deacon Patrick]

Steve,

I used to run a XS as a handlebar bag. I found that weight up that high 
does effect handling, but was still very handleable. Because of my 
sensitivity due to vertigo, I much prefer the weight low, in a TrunkSack. 
It carries my food on bikepacking trips.

I would say it is well worth trying out to see if it works for you. I'm 
simply a wimp about such things.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Willow Chainrings

[Brian Campbell]

Just want to mention that I got a set of rings (triple for  a vintage MTB 
project)  and they are awesome! The price can't be beat! Thanks again 
David. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Matthew J]

> In a precious sort of a way. 

> The two are not mutually exclusive.

Precious to me anyway suggests Tweed Rides.  

Given the sparse history of the sport of road racing as a sport in the US, 
L'Eroica California arguably nudges toward Tweed.  

In Italy where road racing was once what soccer is now, (and remains very 
popular), L'Eroica is an excellent way for today's riders to gain some 
appreciation for what those who invented the sport experienced.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Deacon Patrick]

Wouldn't that mean single speed? Grin. Everyone show up on Quickbeams or 
SimpleOnes!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 7:09:22 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
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>  L'Eroica is an excellent way for today's riders to gain some appreciation 
> for what those who invented the sport experienced.  
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[RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

[Marc Irwin]

And here is the second half of the story 
.

On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 6:58:44 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I just got done with my early spring trip and finished the first part of 
> the ride recount 
> 
> .
> It was a good trip with some very predictable trials and a couple very 
> pleasant surprises down the road.  I'll furnish new links as I finish over 
> the next few days.
>
> Marc
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB- single speed rear wheel, 700c, 120mm, 36 hole

[Kainalu]

I've received some good feedback as to options over at the Bob list. No 
offers to sell old equipment, but assurances that Formula hubs are good 
hubs (at least the sealed bearing ones), so I might be looking at having a 
just cheap enough wheel made. My wheel making buddy likes the All City 
hubs, which he can lace to a 719 for great price. Anyone have insight into 
the All City hubs 
 reliability 
and smoothosity? Not that I don't trust my friend's opinion, it's just that 
y'all are so very wise and nice and want my Quickbeam to be it's best under 
the circumstances.
Thanks
-Kai


On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 6:03:42 PM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>
> Hi Riv bunch,
> I'm hoping to find a rear wheel for my Quickbeam bicycle, I love Mavic 
> 719s but am totally open to other rims so long as they're not too narrow to 
> hold some 45s solidly. As for hubs, I'd like something amazingly amazing, 
> but I usually can't afford that, so let me know what you've got that you'd 
> like to part with. Aesthetics aren't an issue, I just want something smooth 
> and solid. and round.
> Thanks
> -Kai Vierstra
> Brooklyn NY
>

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[RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

[Montclair BobbyB]

Marc:  You the MAN!!  Nice trip, great write up thanks for sharing!

Peace, and safe travels back to Michigan,
Bobby

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> And here is the second half of the story 
> .
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 6:58:44 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>> I just got done with my early spring trip and finished the first part of 
>> the ride recount 
>> 
>> .
>> It was a good trip with some very predictable trials and a couple very 
>> pleasant surprises down the road.  I'll furnish new links as I finish over 
>> the next few days.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: WTB- single speed rear wheel, 700c, 120mm, 36 hole

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I built a wheelset for my son Sam’s Quickbeam using Milwaukee Bicycle Co. hubs, 
sold at Ben’s Cycle.  He has several thousand miles on them, and they are going 
strong, trouble free, and quite inexpensive ($91 total for a front/rear 
hubset!).  They’re nice looking, too, and come in a lot of colors if that 
interests you.  (I was building up a green QB for my son, so I used a green 
Milwaukee hubset, here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5646012976/in/set-72157626433454817 )

Here’s the link to the Ben’s webpage for these hubs.  I highly recommend them.  
https://www.benscycle.com/p-3458-milwaukee-bicycle-co-hubset-32h-fixfree.aspx?

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kainalu
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 10:05 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB- single speed rear wheel, 700c, 120mm, 36 hole

I've received some good feedback as to options over at the Bob list. No offers 
to sell old equipment, but assurances that Formula hubs are good hubs (at least 
the sealed bearing ones), so I might be looking at having a just cheap enough 
wheel made. My wheel making buddy likes the All City hubs, which he can lace to 
a 719 for great price. Anyone have insight into the All City 
hubs reliability 
and smoothosity? Not that I don't trust my friend's opinion, it's just that 
y'all are so very wise and nice and want my Quickbeam to be it's best under the 
circumstances.
Thanks
-Kai


On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 6:03:42 PM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
Hi Riv bunch,
I'm hoping to find a rear wheel for my Quickbeam bicycle, I love Mavic 719s but 
am totally open to other rims so long as they're not too narrow to hold some 
45s solidly. As for hubs, I'd like something amazingly amazing, but I usually 
can't afford that, so let me know what you've got that you'd like to part with. 
Aesthetics aren't an issue, I just want something smooth and solid. and round.
Thanks
-Kai Vierstra
Brooklyn NY
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RE: [RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Marc, the trip sounds great.  I’m definitely doing this some time this fall 
(with retirement looming!).  Great write-up, very informative.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

Marc:  You the MAN!!  Nice trip, great write up thanks for sharing!

Peace, and safe travels back to Michigan,
Bobby

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 10:03:18 AM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
And here is the second half of the 
story.

On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 6:58:44 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
I just got done with my early spring trip and finished the first part of the 
ride 
recount.
It was a good trip with some very predictable trials and a couple very pleasant 
surprises down the road.  I'll furnish new links as I finish over the next few 
days.

Marc
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[RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

[Deacon Patrick]

The power of adventure is facing the unknown and unexpected and this trip 
had plenty of adventure! Fantastic!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Good camera for on the bike

[David Young]

I'm terrible about slowing down and taking the time to take photos, but 
I've had good luck with the Panasonic Lumix DMC-TS20.  This is at the 
cheaper end of the line of waterproof and shockproof cameras, but for me it 
takes much better pictures than my IPhone.  The form factor is quite small 
(fits in my palm) and is light enough for a jersey pocket.  I like the one 
button video feature too (didn't think I'd need it but I use it now that 
it's so easy).  I live in the Pacific NW so waterproof is important to me, 
and in the summer, sweat proof is nice too.  My IPhone is in a waterproof 
case that makes the lens susceptible to glare and attracts difficult to 
remove crud.  I also keep the use of my phone to a minimum during rides to 
prolong battery life.  I keep a thin, extra long lanyard on the camera; I 
loop it over my head, and it goes across my chest, under my arm, and then 
gets tucked into a rear jersey.  I find that makes it much more likely for 
me to take photos, and I can fiddle with it while riding without the risk 
of dropping it. The only downside to this model (that I'm aware of) is the 
lack of a lens cover. I wish it had a sliding cover or something that that.

David

On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 1:15:30 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> +1 on the small Canon cameras. I have one of those (SD 780 IS), and I 
> carry it on the bike more than I do my Canon S95. The S95 takes better 
> photos, but the SD780 is easy to use, smaller, and doesn’t cost as 
> much—which means that if drop it while I’m riding I’m out about far less 
> money for a new camera.
>
> Regarding iPhones—I have an iPhone and an iPod Touch (which also takes 
> nice photos and videos). I haven’t been able to use them successfully for 
> on-the-bike photos. Both suffer from the same problem: You have to give a 
> lot of attention to the device to get it out of your jersey pocket or 
> handlebar bag, turn it on, compose the photo, and shoot. You can’t do it 
> without looking, given the need to swipe across the screen to turn it on, 
> get the Camera app started, etc.  Compare that with most dedicated digital 
> cameras, which are easy to operate by feel.
>
> The iPhone and iPod are both great cameras, but they don’t work well for 
> me while riding. If you take most of your photos while stopped, they would 
> probably work quite well.
>
> I often bring my Garmin VIRB camera to shoot video. It will take still 
> photos, but they’re not as good as what you’ll get from a decent digital 
> camera.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
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>
> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Jim Bronson  > wrote:
>
> I like the tiny Canons for bike usage.  They used to call them the "elph" 
> series but I don't know what they are called now.
> On Apr 12, 2015 6:26 PM, "'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I never used  to take photos when riding, but last year I started. I've 
>> used my iPhone, which is ok, but it only works in weather that's warm 
>> enough for fingerless gloves. And I'm sure I could take better pictures 
>> with a better camera. So I'm looking for something that's light, durable, 
>> easy to use and takes nice pictures. What do you all use?
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[RBW] SAM COCKPIT UPDATE

[Philip Kim]

Great, carsick makes some very cool bags. Have their panniers and bar bag

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[RBW] A video about that kid you guys helped last spring

[Kristin Otteson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPLcRZndk5I

This is a video about Kankyi.  He's that kid that I was asking about 
housing for in Portland.  Chris Chen really pulled through and got the kid 
hooked up.  He did bike school in Portland and learned a ton about 
community organizing.  His shop opens on Sunday here.  It's going to be a 
huge party.  Thanks again for the help and paying it forward for this 
deserving person.

Kip Otteson
Chiang Mai, Thailand

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[RBW] Re: A video about that kid you guys helped last spring

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Global inspiration.  Thanks for sharing that follow up!

- Jim

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>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPLcRZndk5I
>
> This is a video about Kankyi.  He's that kid that I was asking about 
> housing for in Portland.  Chris Chen really pulled through and got the kid 
> hooked up.  He did bike school in Portland and learned a ton about 
> community organizing.  His shop opens on Sunday here.  It's going to be a 
> huge party.  Thanks again for the help and paying it forward for this 
> deserving person.
>
> Kip Otteson
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
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[RBW] Re: A video about that kid you guys helped last spring

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! I love getting glimpses of the "economy of community" and 
especially on a global scale. Beautiful.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Portland Tweed Ride

[Shawn Granton]

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 11:02:40 AM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> couldn't say, but here is Shawn Granton's photoset: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/sets/72157649638960093/


Which is to say that someone on this list went! ;-) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Eric Norris]

My Pashley Guvnor would have been perfect for this event. However, this is a 
PBP year, which means a lot of other events (brevets) that I need to do. In the 
interest of household harmony, I decided to pass on L'Eroica this year. 

--Eric N
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> On Apr 16, 2015, at 6:15 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't that mean single speed? Grin. Everyone show up on Quickbeams or 
> SimpleOnes!
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 7:09:22 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>  L'Eroica is an excellent way for today's riders to gain some appreciation 
>> for what those who invented the sport experienced.  
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[RBW] Dyna-Sys compatible bar-ends now available - opening up new possibilities

[Jim Bronson]

In case you wanted to run something like oh a 40T in the back or any
Shimano 10 speed MTB deralier, or any permutation thereof, Microshift now
makes a dyna-sys compatible bar end:

http://www.microshift.com.tw/BS-M10_Shifters.html

Microshift also makes a 40T compatible derailer with 47T capacity, which is
the largest capacity I have seen, granted, it is fugly, but if you value
functionality over form...

http://www.microshift.com.tw/RD-M78L_rd.html

I had not previously considered going to 10 speed but if I can get a
cassette that goes to 40 for a reasonable price, that would make it more
interesting for me because I might be able to get away with a standard 110
bcd compact double crankset rather than having to go with wide low
cranksets.  I think the smallest smal ring you can get on a 110 is 33T,
IIRC.  Currently running 28T on a 74 bcd on my triple converted to wide low
double, with 34 in the back

With the current config, 44/28 in back and 11-34 9 speed in , I have from
104.0 down to 21.4

With a proposed config of 48/33 in front and 11-40 in back I get from 113.5
down to 21.5.  So basically the low end stays the same, I don't have to use
geek doubles anymore, and I get 113.5 on the top end.

The only downside is that the cassette has a 17 to 21 jump on it, which is
a 23.5% jump, pretty large for a single gear shift.  The current 9 speed
has a 17 to 20 jump on it which is a more manageable 17.6%.  So maybe I
should be thinking 11 speed 11-40.  Ha ha.

The reason I want 113.5 on the top end is that in tailwind situations on
brevet rides I have had problems gearing out at 104 inches.  If I could
pedal to a little higher speeds in tailwinds especially in rolling terrain
like we have here in the Texas Hill Country, that would help me keep up
with my friends a little better.  Grant is probably shaking his head now
but hey cycling is a big tent.

Of course being able to get the gearing I want on the low end using a
110bcd double is reason enough in of itself for me.  I just have to solve
the problem with the big gap in the cassette.  Hmm.

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[RBW] Re: Dyna-Sys compatible bar-ends now available - opening up new possibilities

[Clayton.sf]

Using this shifter on the downtube of my 1x10. Indexes flawlessly with 
dynasys zee short cage der and a 10 speed cassette.

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> In case you wanted to run something like oh a 40T in the back or any 
> Shimano 10 speed MTB deralier, or any permutation thereof, Microshift now 
> makes a dyna-sys compatible bar end:
>
> http://www.microshift.com.tw/BS-M10_Shifters.html
>
> Microshift also makes a 40T compatible derailer with 47T capacity, which 
> is the largest capacity I have seen, granted, it is fugly, but if you value 
> functionality over form...
>
> http://www.microshift.com.tw/RD-M78L_rd.html
>
> I had not previously considered going to 10 speed but if I can get a 
> cassette that goes to 40 for a reasonable price, that would make it more 
> interesting for me because I might be able to get away with a standard 110 
> bcd compact double crankset rather than having to go with wide low 
> cranksets.  I think the smallest smal ring you can get on a 110 is 33T, 
> IIRC.  Currently running 28T on a 74 bcd on my triple converted to wide low 
> double, with 34 in the back
>
> With the current config, 44/28 in back and 11-34 9 speed in , I have from 
> 104.0 down to 21.4
>
> With a proposed config of 48/33 in front and 11-40 in back I get from 
> 113.5 down to 21.5.  So basically the low end stays the same, I don't have 
> to use geek doubles anymore, and I get 113.5 on the top end.
>
> The only downside is that the cassette has a 17 to 21 jump on it, which is 
> a 23.5% jump, pretty large for a single gear shift.  The current 9 speed 
> has a 17 to 20 jump on it which is a more manageable 17.6%.  So maybe I 
> should be thinking 11 speed 11-40.  Ha ha.
>
> The reason I want 113.5 on the top end is that in tailwind situations on 
> brevet rides I have had problems gearing out at 104 inches.  If I could 
> pedal to a little higher speeds in tailwinds especially in rolling terrain 
> like we have here in the Texas Hill Country, that would help me keep up 
> with my friends a little better.  Grant is probably shaking his head now 
> but hey cycling is a big tent.
>
> Of course being able to get the gearing I want on the low end using a 
> 110bcd double is reason enough in of itself for me.  I just have to solve 
> the problem with the big gap in the cassette.  Hmm.
>
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[RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[RoadieRyan]

Thanks for posting this, the Italian version has long been on the bucket 
list but a California one is probably more likely.  I have the prefect bike 
for it, a 1977 Motobecane Grand Touring, now I just need to get in shape 
and get a Job ;-) for 2016 or beyond. 

On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 8:34:38 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> One of my close associates at work had the opportunity to participate in 
> LEroica 
> California.  Next year, I am there. 
>  MUST DO IT.  If I can drag any of you along, that would be great.
>
> In the mean time, he shared some links to what constitutes some awesome 
> bicycle eye candy.
>
> Day 1 
> Day 2 
>
> Oh, do I now regret separating from my first serious bike, an Ital Vega 
> Super Record (1971).  Drilled out Campy Record and Candy Root Beer 531 with 
> the most beautiful lugs and filets.
>
> My friend rode a 55 year old Paramount.  It is a fantastic bike today as 
> our Rivendell products will be 55 years from now.
>
> Nevertheless, I think Sam Hillborne or Boulder All Road would fit right in 
> with these folks.  They seem to have a lot of the same spirit as the "RBW 
> Owners Bunch".
>
> Hope you like this.
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Jim M.]

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 2:19:40 AM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
> is the pre-87 requirement partly to eliminate the "safely" brake levers 
>

No, it has to do with developments in racing bike technology. The Classics 
Rendezvous list cut-off is '83, which is the year before Look introduced 
clipless pedals. By 1987 carbon frames became more common, but I'm not sure 
that's the exact trigger. 

So you could have a Look KG86 with clipless pedals from pre-87, but that 
would still be a rules violation for L'Eroica.

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Jim Bronson]

So you couldn't bring your Rivnendell, if the cutoff is '87.  Rivendell was
not founded until 1994.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 2:19:40 AM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>> is the pre-87 requirement partly to eliminate the "safely" brake levers
>>
>
> No, it has to do with developments in racing bike technology. The Classics
> Rendezvous list cut-off is '83, which is the year before Look introduced
> clipless pedals. By 1987 carbon frames became more common, but I'm not sure
> that's the exact trigger.
>
> So you could have a Look KG86 with clipless pedals from pre-87, but that
> would still be a rules violation for L'Eroica.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
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[RBW] Nitto Dirt Drop Effective Reach - Need some Trig Help.

[David Banzer]

Has anybody already figured out what the effective reach of a Nitto Dirt 
Drop stem would be, compared to a Nitto 72 degree angle stem? Both 80mm and 
100mm.
Also maybe what maximum height would be compared to Nitto Tallux.
I'd guess someone here has figured this out already. 
If not, I'll delve into my high school trig skills.
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[islaysteve]

Thanks, Jim.  That is enlightening.
Steve

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[RBW] CL Outing: 60cm Cheviot Complete.

[David Banzer]

Not mine, no affiliation.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/bik/4971448758.html

If I hadn't preordered a Clem I'd be justifying buying this right now.
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tough Eggs

[islaysteve]

That is helpful, Patrick.  I was reading about front loads in another thread on 
the 650b list and now have a better understanding.  I will certainly try it out 
on my bike when I have a chance.  Thanks,
Steve

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Dirt Drop Effective Reach - Need some Trig Help.

[sameness]

>From http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/st4.htm:
 

> Two extensions. The 80 (wood stump pic) has an effect horizontal extension 
> of 65mm; the 100's (graph paper pic) is probably around 82 or so
>

 Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

[Minh]

holy cow, is that picture really from 2012?  that feels like so long ago!  i 
remember me and andy were staying in town so we  made it in before the 
down-pour.  i also remember coming out to paddlers lane for pizza that nite and 
coming upstairs where everyone was sleeping all lined up in the attic!

great ride, the route itself was fine, but the company was what made it :)

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Dirt Drop Effective Reach - Need some Trig Help.

[David Banzer]

I just read that on the Riv page. Reading could've answered my question! 
But I guess I'm too impatient for that.
David

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 2:49:40 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> From http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/st4.htm:
>  
>
>> Two extensions. The 80 (wood stump pic) has an effect horizontal 
>> extension of 65mm; the 100's (graph paper pic) is probably around 82 or so
>>
>
>  Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Matthew J]

> No, it has to do with developments in racing bike technology. The 
Classics Rendezvous list cut-off is '83, which is the year before Look 
introduced clipless pedals. By 1987 carbon frames became more common, but 
> I'm not sure that's the exact trigger. 

My road bike is a custom Tom Kellogg built with the same geometry he used 
in the early '80s and with NOS from the 1980s Columbus tubing and NOS 
Cinelli lugs.  Parts are all vintage Campy (although for most riding I use 
dual caliper Shimano brakes rather than the single caliper Campy - what 
liking to stop and all)  Have not asked but wonder whether it would be 
allowed.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Matthew J]

> Wouldn't that mean single speed? Grin. Everyone show up on Quickbeams or 
SimpleOnes!

I've seen photos of old SS in the Italian L'Eroica.  Not sure if anyone 
went all out in California. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Joe Bunik]

>From my perspective, there are always exceptions that prove the rule! ;-)

I really didn't see (nor recall reading in their web postings!) any
hard-lining by Eroica California organizers, and in fact I feel Wes
went out of his way to attract a broadly diverse, common-interest
field to the party. Maybe that will change as popularity grows but,
for this year I know they genuinely wanted to get people in there and
exposed to the whole concept.

1987 *is pretty liberal* a cut-off date IMO but, even then the
guidelines are still inclusive of our current generation of
"keeper-of-the-flame", traditional framebuilders. In a nutshell, the
expectations were for historic road / race-appropriate (i.e. no
touring/cyclocross/mountain) bicycles, no aero brake cables, no STI /
brifters, no clipless / SPD pedals, and traditional dress welcomed. I
could certainly see a Roadeo or AHH with dt shifters and classic
non-aero levers fitting in.

Where I probably could have easily rode in on my old touring bike,
with racks and cantis and triple crank... how fair would that be to
everyone else playing the game to their own personal best? As others
have stated, if it's not really your boat... there are plenty of other
group rides available!

I wish it were monthly!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


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> Thanks, Jim.  That is enlightening.
> Steve
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Dirt Drop Effective Reach - Need some Trig Help.

[Garth]

  
   This is the best !  

http://alex.phred.org/stemchart/Default.aspx
 

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] WTB- single speed rear wheel, 700c, 120mm, 36 hole

[Steven Sweedler]

Kai, I have a flip flop wheel, fixed on one side and single freewheel on
the other. 32 spokes, 120 OLN  rim is a Sun M 13 II   $50  plus shipping
 cog and freewheel included   Steve
Plymouth, New Hampshire

On Thursday, April 16, 2015, Kainalu  wrote:

> I've received some good feedback as to options over at the Bob list. No
> offers to sell old equipment, but assurances that Formula hubs are good
> hubs (at least the sealed bearing ones), so I might be looking at having a
> just cheap enough wheel made. My wheel making buddy likes the All City
> hubs, which he can lace to a 719 for great price. Anyone have insight into
> the All City hubs
>  reliability
> and smoothosity? Not that I don't trust my friend's opinion, it's just that
> y'all are so very wise and nice and want my Quickbeam to be it's best under
> the circumstances.
> Thanks
> -Kai
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 6:03:42 PM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>>
>> Hi Riv bunch,
>> I'm hoping to find a rear wheel for my Quickbeam bicycle, I love Mavic
>> 719s but am totally open to other rims so long as they're not too narrow to
>> hold some 45s solidly. As for hubs, I'd like something amazingly amazing,
>> but I usually can't afford that, so let me know what you've got that you'd
>> like to part with. Aesthetics aren't an issue, I just want something smooth
>> and solid. and round.
>> Thanks
>> -Kai Vierstra
>> Brooklyn NY
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[RBW] Re: Bosque ramble # 427, 16 April 2015.

[Deacon Patrick]

That's gonna be fun! Let us know how it goes!

On yesterday's ride/grocery run, I contemplated the fact that I rode 15 or 
20 miles to be within 3 miles of my house. That's just the way the roads 
are in the mountains, along with private property. Most of my riding is 
within ten miles of my house, as the crow flies. It's wonderfully freeing 
to have so much so close and just be able to head out the front door. 
You're gonna love rediscovering your backyard!

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tires! 26" Big Bens, 650b Fatty Rumpkin Greens, and 650b Schwalbe Marathon Green Guards

[DS]

Rumkins are gone. Big Bens gone.

Marathons still available.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 8:21:13 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>
> Big B*ens are gone. Fatty Rumpkins and Marathons are still available.*
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 4:51:11 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>>
>> I've been through a few rounds of tires lately dialing in what I want and 
>> now I have some spares to sell. I listed these a while back but was 
>> hesitant to ship the wire bead ones due to not having a large enough box, 
>> but now I'm willing to pack and ship using this method (unless anyone in 
>> the group has any other suggestions): 
>> http://home.comcast.net/~mandmlj/tirefolding/
>>
>> Schwalbe Big Bens 26" x 2.15" -  Mounted on my Hunqapillar and used for 
>> 2-3 rides but swapped back out for the Smart Sams. $50 for the pair, $55 
>> shipped
>>
>> Fatty Rumpkin Green Label 650 x 41 - great tires, had them on my sam for 
>> a few months, maybe around 200 miles. Got a good deal on some Soma 
>> Cazadero's and using those instead. $55 for the pair, $60 shipped
>>
>> Schwalbe Marathon Green Guard HS420 650b tires - these came stock on the 
>> Sam Hillborne, very little use, went with the Fatty Rumpkins instead (and 
>> eventually the Cazadero): $45 for the pair, $50 shipped
>>
>> Local pickup in Oakland. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tough Eggs

[René Sterental]

Amazing panoramic photos! What beautiful places to ride!

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 12:48 PM, islaysteve  wrote:

> That is helpful, Patrick.  I was reading about front loads in another
> thread on the 650b list and now have a better understanding.  I will
> certainly try it out on my bike when I have a chance.  Thanks,
> Steve
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[RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Deacon Patrick]

I always try (rarely succeed) to practice contentment. I’m content with that. 
Grin. Part of living this simplicity is to strive to find a way to make what we 
have work. It may not be the perfect tool, but using one thing multiple ways 
has a joy all it’s own.

Since sometime this winter I’ve wanted a go-fast geared country bike. But we 
(wisely) put our money toward gearing up for family biking. The challenge has 
been could I do longer rides on the Quickbeam? So far, I’ve done as long as 94 
miles, 2/3rds of it dirt, and returned still feeling I could have pushed and 
done 120 miles (but pushing to that degree isn’t wise given the brain injury 
and my extra safety net I like to keep). Pushing to ride the QB this way has 
led me to discover things about riding and about my own strength and endurance 
I may not have discovered on a geared bike. That is wonderful gift of 
simplicity, finding more in less.

So I am content, for now, with N. There is joy and peace in that, especially 
considering I know it makes getting bikes for my wife and lassies possible. Of 
course, that is also what I said when N was just the Hunqapillar. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: I predict that in a couple of years you'll end up with a Roadeo. I
myself have tried any number of bike combinations, with a high of 6 to a
low of 1 (but with triple wheelsets). I'm now stabilized, one hopes, at the
statutory minimum of 3:

Fun to ride unladen/load carrying/fender equipped/dynamo equipped all
rounder.
Light as possible gofast.
Off road bike.

I could add any number of hypotheticals: fatbike, Ravn, nimble singletrack
26er,Monocog 29er, folder, fun to ride beater, classic stage racer, racing
trike, recumbent, e-bike -- just kidding about the last 2. But with the
soon (God willing) S3X optional rear wheel for the all rounder, which will
take the place of the Ram, I think this is a pretty good number for my own
particular uses -- 75% errand detours, occasional gofast hill climb, dirt
road riding.

But I am biased toward performance road bikes, even if I forego multiple
gears most of the time.

... Tho' I am seriously thinking about a load-capable, fixed gear, drop
barred folder ...

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I always try (rarely succeed) to practice contentment. I’m content with
> that. Grin. Part of living this simplicity is to strive to find a way to
> make what we have work. It may not be the perfect tool, but using one thing
> multiple ways has a joy all it’s own.
>
> Since sometime this winter I’ve wanted a go-fast geared country bike. But
> we (wisely) put our money toward gearing up for family biking. The
> challenge has been could I do longer rides on the Quickbeam? So far, I’ve
> done as long as 94 miles, 2/3rds of it dirt, and returned still feeling I
> could have pushed and done 120 miles (but pushing to that degree isn’t wise
> given the brain injury and my extra safety net I like to keep). Pushing to
> ride the QB this way has led me to discover things about riding and about
> my own strength and endurance I may not have discovered on a geared bike.
> That is wonderful gift of simplicity, finding more in less.
>
> So I am content, for now, with N. There is joy and peace in that,
> especially considering I know it makes getting bikes for my wife and
> lassies possible. Of course, that is also what I said when N was just the
> Hunqapillar. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Deacon Patrick]

Rodeo's tire clearance is too narrow for the roads and trails I piece 
together. Legolas, Sam, or Homer for tire clearances of at least 40mm.

But the point I was poorly attempting to make, is that even the endeavour 
to be content with what is until circumstances allow otherwise opens a 
treasure chest of riches unexpected.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Dyna-Sys compatible bar-ends now available - opening up new possibilities

[Joe Broach]

I think these are the same shifters as on the Gevenalle GX brifters. They
got a mixed review from RidingGravel:

http://ridinggravel.com/gravel-news/gevenalle-gx-shifters-checkpoint/

Interesting though.

Best,
joe broach
pdx or

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> In case you wanted to run something like oh a 40T in the back or any
> Shimano 10 speed MTB deralier, or any permutation thereof, Microshift now
> makes a dyna-sys compatible bar end:
>
> http://www.microshift.com.tw/BS-M10_Shifters.html
>
> Microshift also makes a 40T compatible derailer with 47T capacity, which
> is the largest capacity I have seen, granted, it is fugly, but if you value
> functionality over form...
>
> http://www.microshift.com.tw/RD-M78L_rd.html
>
> I had not previously considered going to 10 speed but if I can get a
> cassette that goes to 40 for a reasonable price, that would make it more
> interesting for me because I might be able to get away with a standard 110
> bcd compact double crankset rather than having to go with wide low
> cranksets.  I think the smallest smal ring you can get on a 110 is 33T,
> IIRC.  Currently running 28T on a 74 bcd on my triple converted to wide low
> double, with 34 in the back
>
> With the current config, 44/28 in back and 11-34 9 speed in , I have from
> 104.0 down to 21.4
>
> With a proposed config of 48/33 in front and 11-40 in back I get from
> 113.5 down to 21.5.  So basically the low end stays the same, I don't have
> to use geek doubles anymore, and I get 113.5 on the top end.
>
> The only downside is that the cassette has a 17 to 21 jump on it, which is
> a 23.5% jump, pretty large for a single gear shift.  The current 9 speed
> has a 17 to 20 jump on it which is a more manageable 17.6%.  So maybe I
> should be thinking 11 speed 11-40.  Ha ha.
>
> The reason I want 113.5 on the top end is that in tailwind situations on
> brevet rides I have had problems gearing out at 104 inches.  If I could
> pedal to a little higher speeds in tailwinds especially in rolling terrain
> like we have here in the Texas Hill Country, that would help me keep up
> with my friends a little better.  Grant is probably shaking his head now
> but hey cycling is a big tent.
>
> Of course being able to get the gearing I want on the low end using a
> 110bcd double is reason enough in of itself for me.  I just have to solve
> the problem with the big gap in the cassette.  Hmm.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Canti-Rom

[Joe Broach]

That is weird, Luke. My 63 C-Rom fit Pasela 32s + VO 700x49 fenders nicely.
The brake bridge is a little low on these and becomes the tight spot (I
wonder if someone forgot to deduct the fender boss thickness), but I've run
the slightly bigger GB Cypres 700x32 under the same fenders with no issue.
Agree that 35s are a no-go with metal fenders, though, at least in back.

Best,
joe broach
pdx or

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 8:50 PM, lukeheller  wrote:

> I'm shocked to see you can fender a 35.
>
> I tried to fender a 32 pasela under my hammered VO fenders on my 63cm
> Canti-Rom and it was too tight. Perhaps I need different fenders! I never
> liked those hammered fenders anyways besides the looks.
>
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 4:45:45 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>
>> The Rom's and Rams are awesome they have a nice sport touring geometry so
>> they feel like a nice neutral road bike. It's hard to find a canti equiped
>> bike that can handle 35mm tires that doesn't feel like a hybrid or Touring
>> bike. I wish my Ram had come with canti's, I like the power and feel better
>> and there is more clearance for fenders.
>>
>> Dave J
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 1:43:50 AM UTC-4, exliontamer wrote:
>>>
>>> This is my first show off a bike post and thought this would be the
>>> appropriate place to do it. I acquired a 61cm Cantilever Romulus frame
>>> recently and decided to build it into what you see. I managed to squeeze
>>> 35mm Marathon Supremes under the fenders. It rides great & it's ready for
>>> the rain.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Richard Rios]

I have come to accept that no matter how many bikes I have curiosity is always 
going to get the best of me. So for me it is always the n?. But I really try to 
keep it at four which is my imaginary perfect number with that including. A 
single speed, a roadish bike, an allarounder, and a mountain bike.

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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

My perfect number of bikes is a JoNes Plus ;)

 I initially set up the bike with (tubed) Super Motos to see how it faired as a 
more road-orientated bike, and I was blown away by how fast, comfortable and 
stable it was, once I got the cockpit setup properly. I've since been riding it 
with 3" Bontrager Chupacabras and am very pleased with how well those roll on 
the road for my commuting, but the real joy is unleashing it on the trails and 
gravel. It's amazing how much ease you can ride with in the 29+ setup, has to 
be experienced to really be understood. The 38's on my Sam now feel strikingly 
skinny and I really can't imagine riding a tire skinnier than 60mm and above 20 
PSI anymore. Fatter is better, and definitely no slower!

I'm going to put together a second wheelset soon and try to run the Super Motos 
tubeless, and I'm hoping it will be noticeably faster/funner than before. 
Tubeless really seems like the way to go to me, just so much less hassle and a 
nicer ride at lower pressure than the clincher approach, it seems. Before 
someone chirps in with "it's not a race, just enjoy the ride. . ." I'll make a 
pre-emptive strike and say that some of us are in a state of enjoyment when 
riding fast, though not in competition with some Peloton Freds!

As much fun as I've had in the thousands and thousands of miles on my 
Rivendells, I think Jeff Jones has just made a punctuated equillibrium-type 
jump in the biking world with this design. It seems to be a more than capable 
bikepacking bike, a plenty agile and stout mountain bike, and a freakishly fast 
all-road bike, all-in-one. 

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RE: [RBW] Re: WTB- single speed rear wheel, 700c, 120mm, 36 hole

[Kainalu]

Thanks for the recommendation! Those are great looking, and well paired with 
the red freewheel. leaning towards the All City hubs as that's what my buddies 
shop carries, seems to me there's a lot of high quality medium priced hubs out 
there, probably a good thing. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Evan E.]

Does anyone know, for sure, if this event will repeat next year? If so, 
what are the dates? I want to start planning now!

Thanks,
Evan
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] WTB- single speed rear wheel, 700c, 120mm, 36 hole

[Kainalu]

Thanks Steven! That's a wonderfully kind offer, and I've heard good things 
about Sun rims, but they're a little narrower than what I'm on the hunt for. 
Currently I have the Mavic MA3's on the bike, I think they're of similar width, 
which works great with the 32mm panaracers. I'm just looking to max out my 
clearances and have a chance to run the fixed gear steel studded ice bike of my 
dreams next year. I've got the tires and they made for an enjoyable commute 
this winter on my Hillborne, but I acquired the Quickbeam with that dream in 
mind. That it's so rad with the 32's is a huge bonus.
Thanks again 
-Kai 

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[RBW] Re: A video about that kid you guys helped last spring

[Evan E.]

Great video! Thanks for sending it, Kip. I hope Kankyi's shop thrives.

Evan

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[cyclotourist]

'84 was also the introduction of Shimano SIS, so '83 cutoff is a good
year. A lot of changes happened between '83 and '87!

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Evan E.  wrote:
> Does anyone know, for sure, if this event will repeat next year? If so, what
> are the dates? I want to start planning now!
>
> Thanks,
> Evan
> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Bars, stem, post - Brooks B17 - Tubus Cosmo - SON Classic with Supernova E3 front and rear lights

[jim]

Noodles still available? 

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 5:30:37 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:
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> UPDATES 
>
>>
>>
>> Brooks B17 Champion Special Honey: Installed, never ridden, as new. - SOLD
>>
>> Tubus Cosmo silver rear rack: Excellent condition, installed, not used. 
>> SOLD
>>
>> Schmidt SON dyno hub and Supernova E3 headlight and taillight combo. SOLD
>> I think this is the Classic model. 36h hub. No skewer. Head has one light 
>> and on/off button, tail has three lights.
>> Set worked great together, although I have VERY little experience with 
>> lighting to gauge performance. 
>>
>> *Nitto Noodle #1 46 wide Clean, heat treated sticker marred a little from 
>> interrupter levers. Otherwise extremely clean. $60*
>>
>> *Nitto Noodle #2 46 wide Tape residue but fine shape. Clamp area has 
>> small scratches from install. Used about 100 miles. $50*
>>
>> *Nitto Dirt Drop stem: Excellent condition. 26.0 80 length $50*
>>
>> Nitto S65 seatpost: 27.2 Zig Zag scratches from insertion on back. Small 
>> rub from seat bag strap. Still pretty. SOLD
>>
>> PHOTOS HERE 
>> 
>>
>> Contact:  hbclick at yahoo
>>
>> Thanks!
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>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Eric Daume]

Mike,

I'd love to see some pictures of your Jones Plus.

Eric, who just bought a new/used frame, but, you know...

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Mike Shaljian 
wrote:

> My perfect number of bikes is a JoNes Plus ;)
>
>  I initially set up the bike with (tubed) Super Motos to see how it faired
> as a more road-orientated bike, and I was blown away by how fast,
> comfortable and stable it was, once I got the cockpit setup properly. I've
> since been riding it with 3" Bontrager Chupacabras and am very pleased with
> how well those roll on the road for my commuting, but the real joy is
> unleashing it on the trails and gravel. It's amazing how much ease you can
> ride with in the 29+ setup, has to be experienced to really be understood.
> The 38's on my Sam now feel strikingly skinny and I really can't imagine
> riding a tire skinnier than 60mm and above 20 PSI anymore. Fatter is
> better, and definitely no slower!
>
> I'm going to put together a second wheelset soon and try to run the Super
> Motos tubeless, and I'm hoping it will be noticeably faster/funner than
> before. Tubeless really seems like the way to go to me, just so much less
> hassle and a nicer ride at lower pressure than the clincher approach, it
> seems. Before someone chirps in with "it's not a race, just enjoy the ride.
> . ." I'll make a pre-emptive strike and say that some of us are in a state
> of enjoyment when riding fast, though not in competition with some Peloton
> Freds!
>
> As much fun as I've had in the thousands and thousands of miles on my
> Rivendells, I think Jeff Jones has just made a punctuated equillibrium-type
> jump in the biking world with this design. It seems to be a more than
> capable bikepacking bike, a plenty agile and stout mountain bike, and a
> freakishly fast all-road bike, all-in-one.
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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I always love this discussion. And everyone is right. I think I could get by 
quite nicely with just my Hilsen, but...I have a Hunq and Roadeo (although the 
Roadeo is at home in KC with me in CT.) And I perk up when I see Quikbeam FS 
ads on the list. And I'm pretty sure that a Bike Friday is in my future and how 
can I get by without a cargo bike...N+1 for me. But if I did just have the 
Hilsen, I think I'd want 3 wheelsets like Patrick Moore once had. 

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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Bill]

Yeah, Mike.  The Jones Plus is an itch I may have to scratch some day. 
 Pictures, please.

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 9:14:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I'd love to see some pictures of your Jones Plus.
>
> Eric, who just bought a new/used frame, but, you know...
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Mike Shaljian  > wrote:
>
>> My perfect number of bikes is a JoNes Plus ;)
>>
>>  I initially set up the bike with (tubed) Super Motos to see how it 
>> faired as a more road-orientated bike, and I was blown away by how fast, 
>> comfortable and stable it was, once I got the cockpit setup properly. I've 
>> since been riding it with 3" Bontrager Chupacabras and am very pleased with 
>> how well those roll on the road for my commuting, but the real joy is 
>> unleashing it on the trails and gravel. It's amazing how much ease you can 
>> ride with in the 29+ setup, has to be experienced to really be understood. 
>> The 38's on my Sam now feel strikingly skinny and I really can't imagine 
>> riding a tire skinnier than 60mm and above 20 PSI anymore. Fatter is 
>> better, and definitely no slower!
>>
>> I'm going to put together a second wheelset soon and try to run the Super 
>> Motos tubeless, and I'm hoping it will be noticeably faster/funner than 
>> before. Tubeless really seems like the way to go to me, just so much less 
>> hassle and a nicer ride at lower pressure than the clincher approach, it 
>> seems. Before someone chirps in with "it's not a race, just enjoy the ride. 
>> . ." I'll make a pre-emptive strike and say that some of us are in a state 
>> of enjoyment when riding fast, though not in competition with some Peloton 
>> Freds!
>>
>> As much fun as I've had in the thousands and thousands of miles on my 
>> Rivendells, I think Jeff Jones has just made a punctuated equillibrium-type 
>> jump in the biking world with this design. It seems to be a more than 
>> capable bikepacking bike, a plenty agile and stout mountain bike, and a 
>> freakishly fast all-road bike, all-in-one.
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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Peter Adler]

Jim Bronson:
So you couldn't bring your Rivnendell, if the cutoff is '87.  Rivendell was 
not founded until 1994.

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 12:46:04 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jim.  That is enlightening. 
> Steve 
>
>
Maybe it's enlightening. It's also dead wrong:

http://www.eroicacalifornia.com/regulation


> *Article 6 - Criteria for Admission: Bicycles and Clothing*Eroica 
> California is an event for cyclists using Historical Bikes or 
> Vintage-Looking Bikes (as hereinafter defined) and with participants 
> dressed in period cycle clothing.
>  
>
> *6.1 – Bicycles*Historical Bikes (also called Bici Eroiche, in Italian) 
> are all road racing bikes built in 1987 or earlier, with or without gears, 
> as those built in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. These bicycles most 
> likely have a steel frame, but also other types of rare frames are 
> permitted, such as the aluminum frames built by Alan and Vitus, with 
> screwed or glued joints and the Exxon Graftek frames of the late 1970’s 
> with carbon tubes glued to aluminum lugs.
> The bicycles should be in line with the following general guidelines 
> regarding components:
> a) more recent bikes with gears and derailleurs, such as Simplex, Huret, 
> Campagnolo, Zeus, Shimano, Suntour, etc. must have shift levers on the down 
> tube of the frame; exceptions include pre-1980 non indexed bar-end gear 
> shifters and rod/hand manual operated front derailleurs;
> b) pedals should be with toe clips and straps or, for older bikes, as the 
> original pedals; quick release, clip-less pedals are not allowed;
> c) the brake cables must pass outside and over the handlebars (cables can 
> pass inside the frame);
> d) older geared bicycles should have original shifters such as Cambio 
> Corsa, Cambio Paris Roubaix, Cambio Vittoria Margherita, etc.;
> e) wheels must have at least 32 spokes laced to a low profile rim (20 mm 
> depth or less, except for the wood rims);  the rims must be of either 
> steel, aluminum or wood;
> f) both tubular tyres and clinchers with inner tubes are allowed;
> g) we invite participants to fit saddles from the same period of the 
> bicycles, so a model of 1987 or earlier, or a vintage model of modern 
> production such as Brooks leather saddles, Cinelli replicas, San Marco, etc;
> h) the change of the gear ratios is allowed due to the difficulty of the 
> ride;
> i) there are no particular rules on the type of brakes as long as they are 
> in line with the construction period of the bicycle and that they are 
> efficient for safety reasons.
> Of course, older road racing bicycles of the early 1900’s with single gear 
> or flip-flop rear hubs don’t need to comply with the above criteria as long 
> as they have their original components.
> *Vintage-Looking Bikes with steel frame from new or recent construction 
> with vintage look and characteristics may be used only if they are road 
> racing bikes assembled using vintage components or replicated parts similar 
> to the original as described above.* In particular if the bikes are 
> inspired by the design of road racing bicycles of the 1970’s and 1980’s, 
> they must comply with rules a), b), and c) above, regarding shift levers, 
> toe clips and straps, and brake cables.
> Exemptions regarding the type of bicycle will be granted to participants 
> with disabilities, as long as they make a specific request to the 
> organization at the time of registration.
> For the short route, other types of vintage bicycles will be admitted, 
> such as postman’s bikes, general working bicycles, leisure bicycles, etc. 
> as long as they were built in 1987 or earlier.
> Mountain bikes, cyclo cross bikes and time trial bikes are excluded from 
> all routes.
> Any registered cyclist who arrives at the start line or found on the route 
> on the day of the ride with a bicycle/components that do not conform with 
> the criteria set forth by the event organizers may face an immediate 
> disqualification upon discovery.


My emphases, for reading clarity.

Not only was Rivendell employee Joe Bunik a rider (on a non-RBW but very 
BOB-ish bike), but at least one unidentified rider on an AHH completed the 
long course, during which he was hit by a teenaged driver in a 
poorly-controlled van:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicycles/pQ1BucSQP60

Rivendells (most of them) are lugged steel. Standard RBW build for drop 
bars includes aero brakes; those would have to be replaced with traditional 
routing. Most Riv frames will take friction barcons; whether the judges 
would accept Silvers as analogous to Suntour retrofrictions is something I 
would ask in advance, with a set of Suntours ready to swap in, just in 
case. The rules don't specifically prohibit freehubs, but a set of box rims 
with a rear freewheel would trump any arguments. A 135mm rear wheel with a 
7-speed FW sounds pretty non-dishy. 

And of course, clipless/cleated pedals are forbidden,

Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

Here's the one good shot I have of the Jones Plus in action (smartphone 
currently broken). The new Google Groups layout makes me want to scream doing 
anything more than posting, so I have no idea how to add a picture in-line. 
Here it is on imgur though: http://imgur.com/grpsWwg

Riding bliss begins where the pavement ends!

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Re: [RBW] Re: L'Eroica California (Oh how I wish I went)

[Joe Bunik]

On 4/16/15, Peter Adler  wrote:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/17116357206
>
> (Joe Bunik managed to take four photos of this bike, without once
> displaying the branding. I make out "(...)afford" on the headstock; what is 
> it?)

I believe that'd be Joel Flood's (ex-Via Bicycle, Philly) KOF /
PBP-vetted steed - I forget as well the builder's name, but is an alum
of Bilenky Cycle Works.

> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/17116441536
>
> I'm assuming that the late photo in Joe's album with the
> constructeur-racked yellow Jack Taylor next to his orange Centurion means
> that the yellow JT was not ridden in the event.

Cantis (as I understand) are acceptable, particularly given the
preponderance of evidence of road race bikes from 50+ years ago
originally spec'd with. I brought my JT to ride Saturday and join in
with others in commemorating Jack (who passed last December) and to
send our well-wishes to the remaining brother, Ken.

One might consider the Centurion Semi-Pro as Roadeo's Grandpa - fat
clearances and a spirited ride! (and 5sp freewheel!)

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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Re: [RBW] Perfect number of bikes = N?

[Mike Shaljian]

I'll also add that it's interesting to me how the fat tire deal really grows on 
you (or me) rather quickly and it wasn't long before even the 3-inchers felt 
pretty much normal. I remember looking at a Krampus with 3" knards in the 
Universal Cycles showroom in Portland and thinking "my god, what have I done. . 
.", ordering a 29+ Jones creation basically on faith. I chose not to ask to 
test ride the Surly (since it was raining and I had no intention of buying one) 
and just told myself the exuberant JJ praise on the internet must be real. So 
glad I was an early adopter of the Plus. 

 On my test ride with the Super Motos the 60mm tires even felt a little 
clownish. However, the wider = more rolling resistance thing really is a 
(false) matter of perception with the right setup, and it wasn't long before I 
was in love with the inherent suppleness and stability of a truly fat tire. No 
fear of washing out on fast gravel descents is so great. When I get a bottle 
dynamo and switchover my light system and rear rack from the Hillborne this 
will really be the bike I longed for but didn't think was possible: fast, 
tough, stable and packable/fendered(?)/tour-able. 

Another big difference (which no longer feels novel) is how the greater inertia 
of the heavier wheelset makes cruising feel effortless on flat to low-grade 
sections. Also, Jeff Jones mentions the somewhat  abstract-sounding concept of 
"riding in the bike" on his website, but this bike really does feel more like 
an extension of my body and the ride is just a lot of fun because everything is 
so much easier on the body. 

I'll try and get some more pictures this weekend with the Plus in its natural 
singletrack surroundings!

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[RBW] Re: Portland Tweed Ride

[Tom Virgil]

Now that I weighed in on this, I regret to report the following:  
http://bikesd.org/blog/ If necessary, work down the blog to "Hans 
Wangbichler".  Hans was a driving force behind the San Diego Tweed Ride.   
And so much more.  Like bike rides into Tijuana (that is much more of a 
delightful venture than you might think), bicycling as sustainable 
transportation, evening rides, and the list just goes on.  

There will be a memorial, ride, and (ahem) consumption of liquid 
refreshment.  https://www.facebook.com/events/491308751017880/

Best regards,

Tom


On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 8:52:15 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> We have Tweed rides in San Diego and they are a lot of fun.  Go for it.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 7:01:54 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Any Rivendellians in on this?
>>
>>
>> http://www.oregonlive.com/multimedia/index.ssf/2015/04/portland_tweed_ride_2015_for_m.html#incart_gallery
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Tweed Ride

[Jim Bronson]

What happened to him?  It doesn't seem to say.  The posts seem to lack the
anger present when a cyclist is struck by a vehicle, so I'm guessing he
died of natural causes?

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Tom Virgil  wrote:

> Now that I weighed in on this, I regret to report the following:
> http://bikesd.org/blog/ If necessary, work down the blog to "Hans
> Wangbichler".  Hans was a driving force behind the San Diego Tweed Ride.
> And so much more.  Like bike rides into Tijuana (that is much more of a
> delightful venture than you might think), bicycling as sustainable
> transportation, evening rides, and the list just goes on.
>
> There will be a memorial, ride, and (ahem) consumption of liquid
> refreshment.  https://www.facebook.com/events/491308751017880/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 8:52:15 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> We have Tweed rides in San Diego and they are a lot of fun.  Go for it.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 7:01:54 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> Any Rivendellians in on this?
>>>
>>> http://www.oregonlive.com/multimedia/index.ssf/2015/04/
>>> portland_tweed_ride_2015_for_m.html#incart_gallery
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Tweed Ride

[Tom Virgil]

Jim,

It was not a bicycle accident.  That is all I can say for now.

"But it seems the good die young,
Now I just looked around and he's gone."

Written by Dick Holler.  Performed by Bob Dylan.

This was a good man.

Thank you for inquiring.

~Tom

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 10:00:17 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> What happened to him?  It doesn't seem to say.  The posts seem to lack the 
> anger present when a cyclist is struck by a vehicle, so I'm guessing he 
> died of natural causes?
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Tom Virgil  > wrote:
>
>> Now that I weighed in on this, I regret to report the following:  
>> http://bikesd.org/blog/ If necessary, work down the blog to "Hans 
>> Wangbichler".  Hans was a driving force behind the San Diego Tweed Ride.   
>> And so much more.  Like bike rides into Tijuana (that is much more of a 
>> delightful venture than you might think), bicycling as sustainable 
>> transportation, evening rides, and the list just goes on.  
>>
>> There will be a memorial, ride, and (ahem) consumption of liquid 
>> refreshment.  https://www.facebook.com/events/491308751017880/
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 8:52:15 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>>
>>> We have Tweed rides in San Diego and they are a lot of fun.  Go for it.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 7:01:54 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Any Rivendellians in on this?

 http://www.oregonlive.com/multimedia/index.ssf/2015/04/
 portland_tweed_ride_2015_for_m.html#incart_gallery

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