[RBW] Clementine Believer

[Aaron Young]

I saw only one bottle mount on the Clementine. The Blug shows a bottle
behind the seat tube on that black Clemmy.  It appears strapped on though.
I think the absence of a bottle holder somewhere on the seat tube is
disappointing.
Maybe it didn't work well on prototypes??

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, Garth > wrote:

>
>Am I missing something here  water bottle mounts ?  On both the
> Chev and the Clems , I see only one .  I don't know about anyone else 
> but I rarely ride with 1 large bottle , and those are <20 miles .  Does
> this mean you have to mcgyver water bottle mounts with aftermarkets I
> assume ?   With all that real estate behind the ST it seems there could be
> at least 1 if not 2 braze-ons mounted at like 45 degree angles backwards .
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[Doug Williams]

David,

 

Rats! But thanks anyway. Might have to upgrade to the B&M.  J

 

Doug

 

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

 

Looking at the Cygolite website, it looks like the style of the mount is 
opposite of that of the B&M.  With the B&M the rails on the light slide over 
the groves on the mount.  With the Cygolite it looks like the rails on the 
mount slide over the groves in the light.

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[RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Feedback + Are Sugino Cranks STI Compatible ??

[David Person]

Not directly related to your question but I'm running a Herse crank with 
44/28 on my Sam and I had to use a Shimano CX-70 derailleur if I wanted to 
set the cage height at the recommended 1-3mm above the large chainring.  I 
tried using a Shimano 105 and could not lower it enough before the bottom 
of the cage hit the chainstay. Would have had to run it with more than the 
recommended gap between the cage and the chainring.  I'm using Dura-Ace 
9-speed bar ends in index mode on the right and it hits all the cogs when 
on the large chainring.  I only use the larger half of the cogs when in the 
small chainring.

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[David Person]

Looking at the Cygolite website, it looks like the style of the mount is 
opposite of that of the B&M.  With the B&M the rails on the light slide 
over the groves on the mount.  With the Cygolite it looks like the rails on 
the mount slide over the groves in the light.

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[David Person]

I'd be happy to measure the width and length for you.

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 7:35:19 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>
> Don't know about a Cygolite.  I do know that my Planet Bike Blaze Two fits 
> the mount, in addition to the B&M IXON IQ.  So it's possible that other 
> manufactures may use the same style of QR mount.
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>>
>> It is a fork crown mount used with a Busch & Muller IXON IQ headlight, 
>> purchased from Peter White Cycles.
>>
>> The mount is sold separately.  Scroll down a little from the top of the 
>> page and you will find the description for it:  
>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/b&m.asp
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:40:42 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> To take a shot at answering my own question...is it an Edelux Light 
>>> Mount like on the Riv site? If so, then my next question...is that a 
>>> Cygolite mount on it? That's what I want to do; mount a Cygolite on my 
>>> Mark's rack like that. What did you have to do to make that work?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:30:39 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

 What is the light holder attached to your front rack and where did you 
 get it?
 Thanks,

 Doug

 On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>
> Changed the cockpit over to Albatrosses this past week.  I'm enjoying 
> the more upright position and the location of the bar-end shifters.  An 
> added benefit is the shifters are now higher than the top tube, so no 
> more 
> banging of the bar-ends on the it.  The Linus is a new addition for my 
> wife.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:18 AM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>>
>> I've had a pair of Nitto B115 drop bars hang around (literally) for a 
>> couple of years begging to be put to use.  I was inspired by an old 
>> Kohler 
>> faucet commercial (the one where a couple wants a house designed around 
>> a 
>> faucet).  So I've designed a bike build around these bars.  Had back 
>> surgery at the end of December and recently was released to do PT, so it 
>> was time to put this bike together.  I have to give a shout out to 
>> Pondero, 
>> Stonehog and a few others who's blogs kept me sane and inspired during 
>> the 
>> first few months after surgery, when I seriously doubted I'd ever ride 
>> again.  I rode six miles yesterday, which is the most so far, but to far 
>> to 
>> go to get back to the riding shape I was in a couple years ago.
>>
>> Additional photos can be found in my Flickr album:  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/98035479@N08/sets/72157653847408849/with/18432114739/
>>
>> Going to experiment with some Nitto Albatross bars too.  Got to keep 
>> a promise I made to Keven at Rivendell when I ordered the frame.
>>
>> David
>> So. Cal 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[David Person]

Don't know about a Cygolite.  I do know that my Planet Bike Blaze Two fits 
the mount, in addition to the B&M IXON IQ.  So it's possible that other 
manufactures may use the same style of QR mount.

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>
> It is a fork crown mount used with a Busch & Muller IXON IQ headlight, 
> purchased from Peter White Cycles.
>
> The mount is sold separately.  Scroll down a little from the top of the 
> page and you will find the description for it:  
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/b&m.asp
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:40:42 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>> To take a shot at answering my own question...is it an Edelux Light Mount 
>> like on the Riv site? If so, then my next question...is that a Cygolite 
>> mount on it? That's what I want to do; mount a Cygolite on my Mark's rack 
>> like that. What did you have to do to make that work?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:30:39 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the light holder attached to your front rack and where did you 
>>> get it?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:

 Changed the cockpit over to Albatrosses this past week.  I'm enjoying 
 the more upright position and the location of the bar-end shifters.  An 
 added benefit is the shifters are now higher than the top tube, so no more 
 banging of the bar-ends on the it.  The Linus is a new addition for my 
 wife.



 On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:18 AM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>
> I've had a pair of Nitto B115 drop bars hang around (literally) for a 
> couple of years begging to be put to use.  I was inspired by an old 
> Kohler 
> faucet commercial (the one where a couple wants a house designed around a 
> faucet).  So I've designed a bike build around these bars.  Had back 
> surgery at the end of December and recently was released to do PT, so it 
> was time to put this bike together.  I have to give a shout out to 
> Pondero, 
> Stonehog and a few others who's blogs kept me sane and inspired during 
> the 
> first few months after surgery, when I seriously doubted I'd ever ride 
> again.  I rode six miles yesterday, which is the most so far, but to far 
> to 
> go to get back to the riding shape I was in a couple years ago.
>
> Additional photos can be found in my Flickr album:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/98035479@N08/sets/72157653847408849/with/18432114739/
>
> Going to experiment with some Nitto Albatross bars too.  Got to keep a 
> promise I made to Keven at Rivendell when I ordered the frame.
>
> David
> So. Cal 
>
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[Doug Williams]

Thanks!

 

Doug

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Person
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:31 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

 

It is a fork crown mount used with a Busch & Muller IXON IQ headlight, 
purchased from Peter White Cycles.

 

The mount is sold separately.  Scroll down a little from the top of the page 
and you will find the description for it:  http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/b 
 &m.asp

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:40:42 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

To take a shot at answering my own question...is it an Edelux Light Mount like 
on the Riv site? If so, then my next question...is that a Cygolite mount on it? 
That's what I want to do; mount a Cygolite on my Mark's rack like that. What 
did you have to do to make that work?

 

Doug

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:30:39 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

What is the light holder attached to your front rack and where did you get it?

Thanks,

 

Doug

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:

Changed the cockpit over to Albatrosses this past week.  I'm enjoying the more 
upright position and the location of the bar-end shifters.  An added benefit is 
the shifters are now higher than the top tube, so no more banging of the 
bar-ends on the it.  The Linus is a new addition for my wife.

 



On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:18 AM UTC-7, David Person wrote:

I've had a pair of Nitto B115 drop bars hang around (literally) for a couple of 
years begging to be put to use.  I was inspired by an old Kohler faucet 
commercial (the one where a couple wants a house designed around a faucet).  So 
I've designed a bike build around these bars.  Had back surgery at the end of 
December and recently was released to do PT, so it was time to put this bike 
together.  I have to give a shout out to Pondero, Stonehog and a few others 
who's blogs kept me sane and inspired during the first few months after 
surgery, when I seriously doubted I'd ever ride again.  I rode six miles 
yesterday, which is the most so far, but to far to go to get back to the riding 
shape I was in a couple years ago.

 

Additional photos can be found in my Flickr album:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98035479@N08/sets/72157653847408849/with/18432114739/

 

Going to experiment with some Nitto Albatross bars too.  Got to keep a promise 
I made to Keven at Rivendell when I ordered the frame.

 

David

So. Cal 

 

 

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[David Person]

It is a fork crown mount used with a Busch & Muller IXON IQ headlight, 
purchased from Peter White Cycles.

The mount is sold separately.  Scroll down a little from the top of the 
page and you will find the description for it: 
 http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/b&m.asp

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:40:42 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> To take a shot at answering my own question...is it an Edelux Light Mount 
> like on the Riv site? If so, then my next question...is that a Cygolite 
> mount on it? That's what I want to do; mount a Cygolite on my Mark's rack 
> like that. What did you have to do to make that work?
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:30:39 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>> What is the light holder attached to your front rack and where did you 
>> get it?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>>>
>>> Changed the cockpit over to Albatrosses this past week.  I'm enjoying 
>>> the more upright position and the location of the bar-end shifters.  An 
>>> added benefit is the shifters are now higher than the top tube, so no more 
>>> banging of the bar-ends on the it.  The Linus is a new addition for my wife.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:18 AM UTC-7, David Person wrote:

 I've had a pair of Nitto B115 drop bars hang around (literally) for a 
 couple of years begging to be put to use.  I was inspired by an old Kohler 
 faucet commercial (the one where a couple wants a house designed around a 
 faucet).  So I've designed a bike build around these bars.  Had back 
 surgery at the end of December and recently was released to do PT, so it 
 was time to put this bike together.  I have to give a shout out to 
 Pondero, 
 Stonehog and a few others who's blogs kept me sane and inspired during the 
 first few months after surgery, when I seriously doubted I'd ever ride 
 again.  I rode six miles yesterday, which is the most so far, but to far 
 to 
 go to get back to the riding shape I was in a couple years ago.

 Additional photos can be found in my Flickr album:  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/98035479@N08/sets/72157653847408849/with/18432114739/

 Going to experiment with some Nitto Albatross bars too.  Got to keep a 
 promise I made to Keven at Rivendell when I ordered the frame.

 David
 So. Cal 




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[RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Feedback + Are Sugino Cranks STI Compatible ??

[Richard L]

By STI, I'm guessing you mean integrated shifters and brake levers?  If so, 
my dated experience with 9-speed STI and a 46t chain ring was that front 
derailleur shifting was poor and the drive train was plagued with constant 
noise.  After several mechanics could not fix the problem, switching to a 
48t chain ring helped quite a bit. 

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[RBW] Re: Biking poem

[Wildcat96]

Awesome Dave!  Thanks for sharing!

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 12:48:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Redmon wrote:
>
> I listen, and the mountain lakes 
> hear snowflakes come on those winter wings 
> only the owls are awake to see, 
> their radar gaze and furred ears 
> alert. In that stillness a meaning shakes; 
> And I have thought (maybe alone 
> on my bike, quaintly on a cold 
> evening pedaling home), Think!- 
> the splendor of our life, its current unknown 
> as those mountains, the scene no one sees. 
> O citizens of our great amnesty: 
> we might have died. We live. Marvels 
> coast by, great veers and swoops of air 
> so bright the lamps waver in tears, 
> and I hear in the chain a chuckle I like to hear. 
>
>
> "Maybe Alone On My Bike" by William Stafford from The Way It Is. © 
> Graywolf Press, 1999. Reprinted with permission.

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[Doug Williams]

To take a shot at answering my own question...is it an Edelux Light Mount 
like on the Riv site? If so, then my next question...is that a Cygolite 
mount on it? That's what I want to do; mount a Cygolite on my Mark's rack 
like that. What did you have to do to make that work?

Doug

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:30:39 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> What is the light holder attached to your front rack and where did you get 
> it?
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>>
>> Changed the cockpit over to Albatrosses this past week.  I'm enjoying the 
>> more upright position and the location of the bar-end shifters.  An added 
>> benefit is the shifters are now higher than the top tube, so no more 
>> banging of the bar-ends on the it.  The Linus is a new addition for my wife.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:18 AM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had a pair of Nitto B115 drop bars hang around (literally) for a 
>>> couple of years begging to be put to use.  I was inspired by an old Kohler 
>>> faucet commercial (the one where a couple wants a house designed around a 
>>> faucet).  So I've designed a bike build around these bars.  Had back 
>>> surgery at the end of December and recently was released to do PT, so it 
>>> was time to put this bike together.  I have to give a shout out to Pondero, 
>>> Stonehog and a few others who's blogs kept me sane and inspired during the 
>>> first few months after surgery, when I seriously doubted I'd ever ride 
>>> again.  I rode six miles yesterday, which is the most so far, but to far to 
>>> go to get back to the riding shape I was in a couple years ago.
>>>
>>> Additional photos can be found in my Flickr album:  
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/98035479@N08/sets/72157653847408849/with/18432114739/
>>>
>>> Going to experiment with some Nitto Albatross bars too.  Got to keep a 
>>> promise I made to Keven at Rivendell when I ordered the frame.
>>>
>>> David
>>> So. Cal 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] FS: Phase 2 of my bike downsize: Low Trail fork Hunqapillar will be the first to go...

[René Sterental]

With the wonderful help and insight provided by some members on this group,
both publicly and privately, I'm ready for phase 2 of my downsize, which is
getting rid of my first Rivendell bike.

I've decided the bike I'm going to sell is my Hunqapillar with its low
trail fork and pewter paint job. It wasn't easy to make this decision, for
all the obvious emotional reasons, but after following the advice of one
list member on riding one bike only for a while, alternating between my
Hunqapillar and my Atlantis (both with low trail forks), there is no doubt
in my mind that the one I enjoy the most, can ride most comfortably and
just love to take out when I can ride, is the Atlantis in its latest
configuration with the Barlow Pass tires and the Compass Elysees handlebars
with reverse brake levers. So, while I can rationalize why I would still
keep the Hunqapillar, contrary to what I first thought I'd do, this is the
one that has to go now.

In parallel to all these thoughts, and probably due to the same underlying
root causes and following the advice of another list member, I finally read
Grant's book "Eat Bacon, Don't Jog", and exactly two months ago started
following the HFLC protocol that he outlines so clearly and in such a
simple manner. Today I've broken the 20 lbs loss barrier, which of course,
has huge implications for how and what I'll ride. Therefore, when next I
manage to do an S240, not before Fall, I presume, it will be on my Atlantis
instead of the Hunqapillar. Additionally, in the coming months I'll be
riding my Homer a lot more, as well as my Betty Foy.

The reason for my post is to explore whether to sell the Hunqapillar as a
complete bike, or sell the frame and forks plus the parts separately. I'm
traveling for business tomorrow and won't be back until July 26, so I'd
like to use this time to gauge interest from the group, as well as to get
some formal offers if anyone is really interested.

Here is what I would sell, as a whole or in parts (currently assembled):

- 58cm Hunqapillar with pewter/cream paint job and low trail fork painted
to match, with all braze-ons needed for racks and fenders and Chris King
silver headset as well as front/rear brake cable stops for cantilever
brakes and original 26.8 Nitto seat post. Currently outfitted with downtube
Duraace down tube 9 speed shifters.
- Original fork with original gray/plumb paint
- Nitto Mini front rack
- Nitto Big rear rack
- Tubus Nova lowrider stainless steel front rack
- 700c A719/XT wheelset built by Rich Lesnik @ Riv
- 60mm steel Berthoud fenders (with a couple of almost invisible nicks from
regular use)
- Front Paul Neo-Retro high polish brake
- Rear Paul Touring Canti high polish brake
- Phil bottom bracket (don't remember its width, but perfect for the
Hunqapillar with a Sugino crankset)
- Sugino triple crankset (I currently have a custom double + guard that I'm
going to keep, but I think I have a spare triple one)
- No front derailer, as I'm keeping the Centaur one I currently have.
- Rear Shimano XT Shadow RD M-772 (not sure if I may keep it and substitute
for a different one if the bike is sold assembled)
- Trimmed to fit silver Pletscher twin kickstand
- Front & rear Big Ben tires with lots of life left
- Bosco Bullmoose handlebar, or regular Bosco with Nitto stem.
- Shimano brake levers (or similar)
- MKS Sneaker pedals
- No bottle cages as I'm keeping the King cages currently installed
- Brooks leather ring grips
- Brooks B17 Special (I think) practically brand new saddle.

Let me know if you are interested in either the whole bike or parts of it,
and make some serious offers if you are serious about it. I'd rather sell
locally in the Bay Area, but can arrange for shipping as needed, with the
appropriate additional charges. Whatever happens will happen on July 26 or
afterwards. Photos of different states of the bike:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157627319515196

Thank you all so much, for all the help, guidance, feedback and enduring my
long messages!

René

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

That's what I've been thinking.  Imagine a Clem-ish tandem.  Something that 
is as fun and smile-making and laid back and country-ish as a Clem, but as 
nice and stout as functional as a Rivendell, but is a tandem.  That bike 
flat-out does not exist and never has existed.  Ever.  

That's what I'm hoping for.  

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Tandem?
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:19:15 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> That's not what I was thinking.  A fat bike doesn't need to be more heavy 
>> duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.and I do not recall any BLUG or 
>> Knothole teasers hinting at a fatbike.  
>>
>> Think harder.needs (really needs) to be more heavy duty than any 
>> Rivendell ever made, and has been hinted at from time to time.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:16:02 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Right? The only thing preventing Rivendell from doing a fatbike is 
>>> someone got there quicker ;)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:58:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Is it hard to imagine?   Think harder.  A theoretical Riv model that 
 would need to be more heavy duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.  One 
 that 
 has been mentioned in passing from time to time in the BLUG, in a "maybe 
 we'll do that someday" kind of way.  I don't think it's hard at all to 
 imagine.  

 On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>
> It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than 
> the Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the 
> time!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Joe Bernard]

I was kidding, my good man. I thought the ;) gave it away ;)

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:19:15 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That's not what I was thinking.  A fat bike doesn't need to be more heavy 
> duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.and I do not recall any BLUG or 
> Knothole teasers hinting at a fatbike.  
>
> Think harder.needs (really needs) to be more heavy duty than any 
> Rivendell ever made, and has been hinted at from time to time.  
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:16:02 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Right? The only thing preventing Rivendell from doing a fatbike is 
>> someone got there quicker ;)
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:58:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it hard to imagine?   Think harder.  A theoretical Riv model that 
>>> would need to be more heavy duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.  One that 
>>> has been mentioned in passing from time to time in the BLUG, in a "maybe 
>>> we'll do that someday" kind of way.  I don't think it's hard at all to 
>>> imagine.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

 It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than 
 the Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the 
 time!




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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Eric]

What are the grips as seen on the bullmoose bars??

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 5:52:18 PM UTC-5, EGNolan wrote:
>
> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
>

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[RBW] Re: Post Surgery Therapy

[Doug Williams]

What is the light holder attached to your front rack and where did you get 
it?
Thanks,

Doug

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>
> Changed the cockpit over to Albatrosses this past week.  I'm enjoying the 
> more upright position and the location of the bar-end shifters.  An added 
> benefit is the shifters are now higher than the top tube, so no more 
> banging of the bar-ends on the it.  The Linus is a new addition for my wife.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 7:14:18 AM UTC-7, David Person wrote:
>>
>> I've had a pair of Nitto B115 drop bars hang around (literally) for a 
>> couple of years begging to be put to use.  I was inspired by an old Kohler 
>> faucet commercial (the one where a couple wants a house designed around a 
>> faucet).  So I've designed a bike build around these bars.  Had back 
>> surgery at the end of December and recently was released to do PT, so it 
>> was time to put this bike together.  I have to give a shout out to Pondero, 
>> Stonehog and a few others who's blogs kept me sane and inspired during the 
>> first few months after surgery, when I seriously doubted I'd ever ride 
>> again.  I rode six miles yesterday, which is the most so far, but to far to 
>> go to get back to the riding shape I was in a couple years ago.
>>
>> Additional photos can be found in my Flickr album:  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/98035479@N08/sets/72157653847408849/with/18432114739/
>>
>> Going to experiment with some Nitto Albatross bars too.  Got to keep a 
>> promise I made to Keven at Rivendell when I ordered the frame.
>>
>> David
>> So. Cal 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[drew]

tandem?


On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>
> When they teased a while back, I had no idea what part it would be, but 
> didn't dream of this beauty... http://rivbike.tumblr.com
>

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[David Banzer]

Tandem?

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:19:15 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That's not what I was thinking.  A fat bike doesn't need to be more heavy 
> duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.and I do not recall any BLUG or 
> Knothole teasers hinting at a fatbike.  
>
> Think harder.needs (really needs) to be more heavy duty than any 
> Rivendell ever made, and has been hinted at from time to time.  
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:16:02 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Right? The only thing preventing Rivendell from doing a fatbike is 
>> someone got there quicker ;)
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:58:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it hard to imagine?   Think harder.  A theoretical Riv model that 
>>> would need to be more heavy duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.  One that 
>>> has been mentioned in passing from time to time in the BLUG, in a "maybe 
>>> we'll do that someday" kind of way.  I don't think it's hard at all to 
>>> imagine.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:

 It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than 
 the Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the 
 time!




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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[sameness]

Stan Demonia!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA


On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:19:15 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That's not what I was thinking.  A fat bike doesn't need to be more heavy 
> duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.and I do not recall any BLUG or 
> Knothole teasers hinting at a fatbike.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

That's not what I was thinking.  A fat bike doesn't need to be more heavy 
duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.and I do not recall any BLUG or 
Knothole teasers hinting at a fatbike.  

Think harder.needs (really needs) to be more heavy duty than any 
Rivendell ever made, and has been hinted at from time to time.  

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:16:02 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Right? The only thing preventing Rivendell from doing a fatbike is someone 
> got there quicker ;)
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:58:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Is it hard to imagine?   Think harder.  A theoretical Riv model that 
>> would need to be more heavy duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.  One that 
>> has been mentioned in passing from time to time in the BLUG, in a "maybe 
>> we'll do that someday" kind of way.  I don't think it's hard at all to 
>> imagine.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>>>
>>> It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than 
>>> the Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the 
>>> time!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Joe Bernard]

Right? The only thing preventing Rivendell from doing a fatbike is someone 
got there quicker ;)

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:58:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Is it hard to imagine?   Think harder.  A theoretical Riv model that would 
> need to be more heavy duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.  One that has 
> been mentioned in passing from time to time in the BLUG, in a "maybe we'll 
> do that someday" kind of way.  I don't think it's hard at all to imagine.  
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>>
>> It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than 
>> the Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the 
>> time!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

Is it hard to imagine?   Think harder.  A theoretical Riv model that would 
need to be more heavy duty than a Hunqapilar or a Bombadil.  One that has 
been mentioned in passing from time to time in the BLUG, in a "maybe we'll 
do that someday" kind of way.  I don't think it's hard at all to imagine.  

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ginz wrote:
>
> It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than the 
> Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the time!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking any info on renting or buying a bike in Berlin

[dougP]

Jim:

Get in contact with Top Bicycle in Prague:

http://www.topbicycle.com/BikeRental.htm

Europeans don't respond to e-mail as quickly as we're used to so you're 
cutting it a bit close.  We used them on our Vienna to Linz to Prague 
segment a couple of years ago.  They delivered the bikes to our hotel in 
Vienna, with the maps, and we dropped them off at another hotel in Prague.  
You might be able to work out some similar service between your 2 points.  
We rented Scott hybrids for around 20-25 euro per day per bike (IIRC) and 
they were fine for our purposes.  No mechanicals, not even a flat in 
several hundred kilometers.  Decent rear rack.  We brought our own 
panniers.  

While I haven't looked into it myself, I've heard that in Europe larger 
bike shops take trades, etc., & do a decent business in used bikes.  

Have a great trip (is there any other kind???)

dougP

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:04:14 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Hi all, 
> I'll be spending 18 days in Europe, based in Berlin. When I arrive this 
> coming weekend, I intend to go to one of the big swap meets to try to get a 
> bike. I'm not super picky, but I want the bike to fit me well enough to not 
> hurt my neck or upper back during a day of riding. I typically ride Rivs 
> that are 64-65 cm with less sloping top tube and 60-62 cm with 6 degree 
> upsloping top tube. I expect that bikes will be smaller than ideal, so 
> swept-back or mountainish or Euro-touring-style bars will be preferred. 
>
> Obviously, the swap meet may not pan out. I am willing to rent a bike or 
> buy one there and sell it off when the trip is over. Does anyone have any 
> leads on a way to make getting a bike easier? I have looked at Craigslist 
> for Berlin. 
>
> Riv content: we're planning a ramble from Prague to Dresden, and I'll 
> bring my Riv luggage to attach to the bike and share the experience when I 
> get back. It'll be a S72O. 
>
> Thank you, 
> Jim W. 
> Berkeley, CA (temporarily)

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[RBW] Re: Bars on the Hunqapillar

[drew]

my hunq had albatross bars and a 11cm tallux for most of it's life. for 
most normal day riding, i was very happy with that even though i mostly 
found my hands sliding forward to the curves, kinda sitting on top of the 
brake clamps.  on a 1.5 week tour, this started to become quite 
uncomfortable. separately, i couldnt find a comfortable place for my hands 
on long, steep climbs. they wanted to go to the front of the bar, but the 
downslope made that feel weird.  anyway, i got home, got curious, and put 
on an albastache with 8cm dirt drop stem. so far so good. haven't done any 
multi day rides yet where they will truly reveal themselves, but the 
albastache are great/comfortable/uprightish with still some forward lean 
capability for the 10 mile rides ive been doing.  

also, ill come out and say that i think mustache style bars look great, and 
ill admit that i kept the albatross cockpit fully intact for re-plugging 
in, because it truly was an almost always perfect set up that im not yet 
fully convinced i have improved on. 

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[RBW] Re: Bars on the Hunqapillar

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Like Kevin, I have mustache bars and an 80mm dirt drop stem on my 
Hunqapillar and love that combination. However, the guy who sold me the 
bike had drop bars on it and seemed satisfied with them. I don't know which 
drop bars they were, they didn't feel right to me and he agreed to a price 
drop if he kept the handlebars. 

Full disclosure: I'm a mustache bar fan. I also have them on my Atlantis, 
my Bridgestone and my Surly LHT. But I have drop bars (Nitto Noodles) on 
other bikes like the Ram and Bleriot. 

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 4:21:55 PM UTC-4, Jack Doran wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I recently put in an order for a Hunqapillar and was wondering what you 
> current Hunq riders have to say about your bar/stem configurations. A 
> couple very helpful employees at Rivendell said in so many words that the 
> Hunq is really designed for an upright bar, and that drops don't really 
> suit the frame since they'll put unwanted pressure on the wrists and 
> shoulders because the reach on the Hunq is pretty long and the head tube 
> isn't as long as, say, the Sam. No gripe about the upright option; I've 
> used an albatross bar and I think it's every bit as good as the Riv folks 
> say it is. But I'm thinking about potential options down the road that 
> might make the Hunq as much a shred sled as a nice hefty, comfy touring 
> bike that will handle the dirt nicely. I see a lot of Hunqs online with 
> drop bars, mustache bars, Soma Junebug, etc. and not necessarily with a 
> riser stem. Surely all those folks can't be hating the world when they're 
> atop their Hunqapillars
>

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[RBW] Re: Question about Imperial saddles

[Justin August]

I found my Imperial went straight to sagging and didn't offer much of a 
comfort difference in my undercarriage vs a well broken in B17 Champion.

-J

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 5:55:02 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I'm stuck on higher-grade Brooks saddles (special, select, LEs) - the 
> leather quality and q/c is just too hit-and-miss on standard grade Brooks 
> saddles for the purchase risk
> In cut-out saddles, I'm going to recommend Rivet. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Ginz]

It is hard to imagine that there would be a model more heavy duty than the 
Hunqapillar and Bombadil.  If heavy duty is what you want, now is the time!


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[RBW] Re: Bars on the Hunqapillar

[Ginz]

Mine has Bullmoose.  For general riding and trails, I use them. 

I run Albas on another bike and love them. I just setup my old Albatross 
bar on the Hunq with a Nitto Technomic deluxe using cable quick-connectors. 
 I can swap the entire cockpit quickly.  For a tour or long, non-rough 
trail ride, I would use them.

The Bullmoose is a little wide, even for trails, though I am a rather small 
guy. The inward wrist position of the Albas causes the hand to slide 
forward when braking on rough trails, but is supreme for everything else.

I just ordered the Ahearne   MAP bars.  I have ~45 degree angle bars on my 
hardtail and that has been great on the roughest trails.  I'm hoping the 
MAP bar will be a comfy compromise between Alba and Bullmoose. 

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Re: [RBW] Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[Eric Norris]

If I were to do STP again, I would do it as a two-day ride and start later in 
the day, after the carnage is more or less done and the pack thins out. In 
2013, it took me until past Centralia to be able to ride without worrying about 
other riders. 

--Eric N
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> On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Chris Chen  wrote:
> 
> Twice is good enough for me. I hate to be a hater but I saw so many crashes 
> and poor behavior on my last ride that I've kind of sworn off giant organized 
> rides. :(
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Andy Williams  > wrote:
> Any other list members riding the STP next weekend?  
> 
> Pictures prove I've done this before:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/7583563786/ 
> 
> 
> Andy
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[RBW] Re: Sugino Wide/Low Feedback + Are Sugino Cranks STI Compatible ??

[reynoldslugs]

yes, works fine.  The set up you describe is working well on my Gunnar 
Crosshairs, commuter.  Pics here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157628055130729

Mine is either 24-40 or 26-40. with an 11-34.  I am able to use the full 
cassette on the large (40) chainring, but not quite with the small 
chainring - it gets a little grindy when using the small cogs on the 
cassette.

good luck

Max B

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[RBW] Re: Bars on the Hunqapillar

[Kevin Lindsey]

A confirmed drop-bar-on-road-bike kinda guy, I decided to bite the bullet 
and build my Hunq per Riv specs, i.e. with a Nitto dirt drop stem and a 
moustache handlebar.  I thought it looked goofy but, man, is it comfortable 
and fun.  That set-up handles everything from long rides to pokes around 
the neighborhood, fair weather or foul, and I've never had numb hands or 
wrists.  Probably the perfect set-up for a Hunq.  I still think it looks a 
little goofy, but I have to say that I get plenty of compliments from other 
cyclists.

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 4:21:55 PM UTC-4, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently put in an order for a Hunqapillar and was wondering what you 
> current Hunq riders have to say about your bar/stem configurations. A 
> couple very helpful employees at Rivendell said in so many words that the 
> Hunq is really designed for an upright bar, and that drops don't really 
> suit the frame since they'll put unwanted pressure on the wrists and 
> shoulders because the reach on the Hunq is pretty long and the head tube 
> isn't as long as, say, the Sam. No gripe about the upright option; I've 
> used an albatross bar and I think it's every bit as good as the Riv folks 
> say it is. But I'm thinking about potential options down the road that 
> might make the Hunq as much a shred sled as a nice hefty, comfy touring 
> bike that will handle the dirt nicely. I see a lot of Hunqs online with 
> drop bars, mustache bars, Soma Junebug, etc. and not necessarily with a 
> riser stem. Surely all those folks can't be hating the world when they're 
> atop their Hunqapillars
>

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[RBW] Re: Bars on the Hunqapillar

[Clayton.sf]

I'd go with a moose type bar. Bull or Bosco.

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:27:30 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> I would recommend finding a pair of the MAP/Ahearne Bars 
> http://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar and putting them 
> on it. Nice and wide for leverage and security going up and down hills. 
> Lots of space for controls, bells, grips, PDW Bar-Istas, etc. I've got them 
> on my Saluki and quite enjoy them.
>
> -J
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:21:55 PM UTC-7, Jack Doran wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I recently put in an order for a Hunqapillar and was wondering what you 
>> current Hunq riders have to say about your bar/stem configurations. A 
>> couple very helpful employees at Rivendell said in so many words that the 
>> Hunq is really designed for an upright bar, and that drops don't really 
>> suit the frame since they'll put unwanted pressure on the wrists and 
>> shoulders because the reach on the Hunq is pretty long and the head tube 
>> isn't as long as, say, the Sam. No gripe about the upright option; I've 
>> used an albatross bar and I think it's every bit as good as the Riv folks 
>> say it is. But I'm thinking about potential options down the road that 
>> might make the Hunq as much a shred sled as a nice hefty, comfy touring 
>> bike that will handle the dirt nicely. I see a lot of Hunqs online with 
>> drop bars, mustache bars, Soma Junebug, etc. and not necessarily with a 
>> riser stem. Surely all those folks can't be hating the world when they're 
>> atop their Hunqapillars
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bars on the Hunqapillar

[Justin August]

I would recommend finding a pair of the MAP/Ahearne 
Bars http://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar and putting 
them on it. Nice and wide for leverage and security going up and down 
hills. Lots of space for controls, bells, grips, PDW Bar-Istas, etc. I've 
got them on my Saluki and quite enjoy them.

-J

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:21:55 PM UTC-7, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently put in an order for a Hunqapillar and was wondering what you 
> current Hunq riders have to say about your bar/stem configurations. A 
> couple very helpful employees at Rivendell said in so many words that the 
> Hunq is really designed for an upright bar, and that drops don't really 
> suit the frame since they'll put unwanted pressure on the wrists and 
> shoulders because the reach on the Hunq is pretty long and the head tube 
> isn't as long as, say, the Sam. No gripe about the upright option; I've 
> used an albatross bar and I think it's every bit as good as the Riv folks 
> say it is. But I'm thinking about potential options down the road that 
> might make the Hunq as much a shred sled as a nice hefty, comfy touring 
> bike that will handle the dirt nicely. I see a lot of Hunqs online with 
> drop bars, mustache bars, Soma Junebug, etc. and not necessarily with a 
> riser stem. Surely all those folks can't be hating the world when they're 
> atop their Hunqapillars
>

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[RBW] Re: San Marcos vs ES

[David Person]

I looks like the ES is a threadless steerer/headset while the SM is a 1" 
threaded steerer/headset, if that makes a difference to you since you 
mention the uses of a Technomic.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:03:11 AM UTC-7, a3inverter wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
> I've been interested in the San Marcos (in 63cm) for a year or so now and 
> a combination of some aggressive pricing and available fundage has me very 
> close to buying one, however, would like to hear from the bunch regarding 
> any comparisons to the Soma ES.  The ES is a bit cheaper ($125) and might 
> fit slightly bigger tires.
>
> My priorities are:
> A comfortable, well-fitting ride - 94cm PBH here and the 25.5in steel 
> Treks that I ride today (460,560,400) have plenty of Technomic showing to 
> get to level saddle and bars
> Room for bigger tires - Room for 38c should do.  I had 29x2's on my 62cm 
> LHT and while the tires could handle anything, the geometry really didn't 
> work for the rough stuff.
> Light-ish - While the LHT did fit, it felt dead and heavy.
>
> Interested in your feedback...Thanks!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Bars on the Hunqapillar

[Jack Doran]

Hi all,

I recently put in an order for a Hunqapillar and was wondering what you 
current Hunq riders have to say about your bar/stem configurations. A 
couple very helpful employees at Rivendell said in so many words that the 
Hunq is really designed for an upright bar, and that drops don't really 
suit the frame since they'll put unwanted pressure on the wrists and 
shoulders because the reach on the Hunq is pretty long and the head tube 
isn't as long as, say, the Sam. No gripe about the upright option; I've 
used an albatross bar and I think it's every bit as good as the Riv folks 
say it is. But I'm thinking about potential options down the road that 
might make the Hunq as much a shred sled as a nice hefty, comfy touring 
bike that will handle the dirt nicely. I see a lot of Hunqs online with 
drop bars, mustache bars, Soma Junebug, etc. and not necessarily with a 
riser stem. Surely all those folks can't be hating the world when they're 
atop their Hunqapillars

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[RBW] Sugino Wide/Low Feedback + Are Sugino Cranks STI Compatible ??

[RDS]

Are the Sugino cranks that Riv sells (Triple (46/36/24) or Wide/Lo double) 
compatible with 9 Speed Shimano STI Shifters?
 

With the Wide/Low crank, can you successfully use the full range of the 
cassette with each front chainring (without cross-chain issues)?  For 
example, if I had a 11/34 cassette, could I use the 40-11 as well as the 
40-34?  and could I use the 26-11 as well as the 26-34?  
 
Thanks In Advance

 

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Re: [RBW] Not all that glitters is gold...

[Chris Chen]

That's a toast I'll make forever!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Mike Williams 
wrote:

> Ha!Manny you are the best my friend!   What was my quote?  ' the
> trails will always be there'??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Manuel Acosta 
> wrote:
>
> And so the beautiful summer of San Francisco is upon us...
> Meaning foggy, cold and wet. PERect time to go on an overnight in the
> headlands.
>
> Good buddies Tony and Bridgette make their way up from the Peninsula to do
> a quick easy overnight with thoughts of epic shred session afterwords. With
> pedicab rival Aaron joining in for the adventure.
>
> Burritos are a go. Gear is dialed. Everyone is fresh.
>
> We roll through the quite streets of Fisherman's Wharf  to be greeted by
> Karl the Fog as we cross the bridge into our adventures.
>
> First single track down... disaster strikes.
> Tony with the strength of his umm legs. Bends his saddle rails and
> pops his saddle bolt off. Luckily he finds it in the dark and takes the
> time to screw the bolt on.
>
> He hops back on and the bolt's last threads give and the tiny but ever
> important bolt pings into oblivion darkness never to be found again.
> Stuck now we sit around in the dark trying to figure out ways of making
> this work. Good thing Tony brought some extra paracord.
>
> A couple of knots later and the saddle is ridable. Kinda. With minor
> adjusting every 2 miles. We crawl our way to camp.
> Just to find it drenched. With the fog make it rain feel like rain light
> conditions.
>
> With Aaron in his tent, Tony and Bridgette wrapped in a burrito tarp.
> There was talks about a knife fight for Aaron's tent that never come into
> fruition.
>
> We wake up wet but take the our time. Sleeping in until the sun came out.
>
> And for one rare morning in San Francisco it actually did.  We sat and
> chilled waiting for our stuff to dry.
>
> We figured with Tony's saddle and with Bridgette nursing a previous back
> injury we would cancel the day long shred fest for another time. Aaron goes
> on ahead while we cruise and take our time come back home.
>
> It was the great quotes of Mike Williams that really changed my
> perspective on how adventures SHOULD go. And I'm never too sad about
> missing any opportunity to go riding hard.
> While having epic adventures is great. Just spending some time with good
> friends and being able to leave with some stories to tell are just as good.
>
> Always remember good friends, "The trails will always be there. For next
> time."
>
>
> Pictures proved that for this overnight Karl the Fog wins:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskfBSejJ
>
>
> Manny " Thanks Obi-One-Mike for showing me the Way" Acosta
>
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Re: [RBW] San Marcos vs ES

[a3inverter]

Fantastic feedback!!  My treks all have top tubes ranging from 585 to 600 
so I don't think the 605 of the SM is going to be problematic. 

Thanks Tim.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 11:42:07 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I bought a 51 San Marcos for my girlfriend, and she loves it.  
>
> The ES and San Marcos are functionally similar.  They're both steel, and 
> have sport-touring geometry.
>
> But, there are several important differences:
> SM frame is lugged Prestige (really nice Riv lugs), ES is welded Prestige 
> (main triangle) Cro-mo rear end.
> SM frame has the double top tube in your size.
> SM top tube(s) are sloped more than the ES
> SM has more frame reach and stack, so the front end is longer and taller
> SM has 10 cm longer chainstays and 1 degree slacker head tube, so probably 
> a tad more stable handling than the ES
> SM fork has mid-fork braze-on mounts for a front rack
> SM has a pump peg and a kickstand plate
>
> Clearance:
> SM uses long-reach brakes (55-75 mm), the ES uses mid-reach (45-55 mm).  
> So, even though they are listed as having roughly the same tire clearance, 
> the SM will have more room for fenders.  By my reading the ES says 32c plus 
> fenders, and the SM says 35c plus fenders.  I fit 38b plus SKS P45's on my 
> girlfriend's 650b 51 cm SM.
>
> It's up to you if those differences are important, and if so, if they're 
> worth $125.
>
> In your situation, I'd pick the San Marcos over the ES any day.  The only 
> reason I'd pick the ES is if the 63 cm SM is too small and you'd need the 
> 64 cm ES.
>
> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:56 AM, a3inverter 
> > wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> I've been interested in the San Marcos (in 63cm) for a year or so now and 
>> a combination of some aggressive pricing and available fundage has me very 
>> close to buying one, however, would like to hear from the bunch regarding 
>> any comparisons to the Soma ES.  The ES is a bit cheaper ($125) and might 
>> fit slightly bigger tires.
>>
>> My priorities are:
>> A comfortable, well-fitting ride - 94cm PBH here and the 25.5in steel 
>> Treks that I ride today (460,560,400) have plenty of Technomic showing to 
>> get to level saddle and bars
>> Room for bigger tires - Room for 38c should do.  I had 29x2's on my 62cm 
>> LHT and while the tires could handle anything, the geometry really didn't 
>> work for the rough stuff.
>> Light-ish - While the LHT did fit, it felt dead and heavy.
>>
>> Interested in your feedback...Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[Chris Chen]

Twice is good enough for me. I hate to be a hater but I saw so many crashes
and poor behavior on my last ride that I've kind of sworn off giant
organized rides. :(

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Andy Williams  wrote:

> Any other list members riding the STP next weekend?
>
> Pictures prove I've done this before:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/7583563786/
>
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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[drew]

we've gotta be at least a few years away from whatever this is, right? 
unless they are adding this to the joe appaloosa, which i assume is next on 
the docket since they have a prototype and are phasing out the hillborne.
>
>
at any rate, a hunqapillar is never a regrettable decision. 

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[RBW] Seeking any info on renting or buying a bike in Berlin

[James Warren]

Hi all,
I'll be spending 18 days in Europe, based in Berlin. When I arrive this coming 
weekend, I intend to go to one of the big swap meets to try to get a bike. I'm 
not super picky, but I want the bike to fit me well enough to not hurt my neck 
or upper back during a day of riding. I typically ride Rivs that are 64-65 cm 
with less sloping top tube and 60-62 cm with 6 degree upsloping top tube. I 
expect that bikes will be smaller than ideal, so swept-back or mountainish or 
Euro-touring-style bars will be preferred.

Obviously, the swap meet may not pan out. I am willing to rent a bike or buy 
one there and sell it off when the trip is over. Does anyone have any leads on 
a way to make getting a bike easier? I have looked at Craigslist for Berlin.

Riv content: we're planning a ramble from Prague to Dresden, and I'll bring my 
Riv luggage to attach to the bike and share the experience when I get back. 
It'll be a S72O.

Thank you,
Jim W.
Berkeley, CA (temporarily)

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: 56 Sam Hillborne

[Evan E.]

Bump. $1,800 complete. (Don't fear the Suntour thumb shifters. They work 
great. And they're shiny.)

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Bill Lindsay]

That's the challenge, isn't it?  The current thing is so good, and you want 
to act before the current thing is no longer available.  But the next thing 
might be irresistable, too!  But then you don't buy the current thing and 
then when the next thing isn't what you want, then you are left with 
nuthin!  

The only way to play it safe is always buy the current thing when you like 
it.  Your only regret will be having too many nice bikes, which is about 
the least regrettable regret one could possibly have.  


On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 8:47:16 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Just when I was really thinking about a Hunqapillar! 
>
> Maybe I'll just wait & see what comes from this!
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[RBW] FS: Camp'n Crunch (Nitto Campee front rack)

[Joe Bunik]

This rack took a bullet for me when I was doored back in 2014...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157653276863043

Damage seems confined to the non-driveside, with the other having
remained straight/true. The left-side though deformed into something
of an hourglass condition. I spent < 5 minutes tapping at it with a
set of wood blocks and began straightening it out... when I realized
that I am somewhat "over this" rack, regardless.

This is the "650B" version with the straight dropout tangs, as opposed
to the multi-mount variation (i.e. you need a 2nd/forward brazeon at
your dropout), however I think it could play to varying degrees with
other wheelsizes... YMMV.

The pannier mounts were NOT attached at the time and are in original
condition. Also, the underside threaded bolt (for fenders) was
removed. Struts pictured will be included.

$150 shipped or $125 picked up in Walnut Creek, CA.

Thanks
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Simple1

[Justin August]

LAST Price & Sales Update, I don't like being a spambot.

58cm SimpleOne.

   - Tange headset
   - Wheel set is velocity unbranded track hubs to SunCR18 rims with Soma C 
   line terracota tires.
   - Surly dingle 17/21
   - Freewheel 17t
   - Sugino somethingP TRIPLE with black FSA guard, two rings
   - There are pics of the frame here 
   https://flickr.com/photos/86714991@N00/sets/72157646060803134
   - It's got some goo on it hat should come off with lighter fluids, I 
   just have done it yet.
   
All that for $700 + real shipping (I’ll ship first, then invoice you for 
cost)

Other stuff. Will be giving first priority to whomever buys the 
frame/fork/headset/wheelset)

   - SOMA Layback Post 27.2, BLACK - $20
   - SOMA Sutra stem 100mm, BLACK $25
   - SKS/ESGE Long cream fenders from Rivendell $35
   - Jitensha Bars $25 (Discovered a gauge in the aluminum near-ish the 
   stem. Should be fine, caveat emptor)
   - Nitto x Fair-weather 42cm (similar to Noodle but shallower drop) $40
   - Shimano Brake Levers $20
   - SRAM brake levers, BLACK alloy levers $30
   
Drop me a line and convince me of a deal! I am easily swayed by money.
Pickup in Oakland, delivery possible if within a decent distance - meaning 
down to Santa Cruz, up to Santa Rosa? Over to halfway between here and 
Sacramento.

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Biking poem

[velomann]

I know for sure that "Maybe alone on my Bike," was published in *Smoke's 
Way* in 1984, and may have been published in another collection before 
that. So yes, before his passing. I too am a tremendous fan, and for those 
who want to know more about Bill Staffords life, I can't recommend highly 
enough his book *Down I My Heart* about his years working in logging camps 
as a consciencious objector during WWII. Also his collection of writings *Every 
War Has Two Losers*. I had the great good fortune to meet Bill once when he 
and his son Kim came to talk to us at a gathering of Oregon English 
teachers at the coast. He was gracious and funny and a wonderful 
storyteller. He remains a towering literary figure here in Oregon, and his 
students and disciples continue to honor his memory. Interestingly, I had a 
conversation with his son Kim  - head of Creative Writing at Lewis and 
Clark University - several years after his father's passing about this poem 
and bicycle poems in general. He mentioned that one of his father's best 
known poems, 
"Fifteen," http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php?date=2009%2F08%2F27 
was, according to a story his father told him, originally inspired by 
finding a bicyle crashed on the side of a country road, but he felt the 
poem was more effective with the transformation to a motorcycle. 
Interesting to read it in that light though. Bill's daughter Kit, the main 
character of this well-known 
poem: http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/with-kit-age-7-at-the-beach/ lives in 
the mountain town of Sister's Oregon, is a poet and artist, and very active 
in bringing arts education to students. For those who are interested in 
this sort of thing, I maintain a long-neglected blog devoted to bicycle 
poetry and art called Velotry where you can find the Stafford poem,and 
where I just added a couple by Billy Collins. It's 
here: http://velotry.blogspot.com/

Mike

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:48:34 AM UTC-7, Dave Redmon wrote:
>
> I listen, and the mountain lakes 
> hear snowflakes come on those winter wings 
> only the owls are awake to see, 
> their radar gaze and furred ears 
> alert. In that stillness a meaning shakes; 
> And I have thought (maybe alone 
> on my bike, quaintly on a cold 
> evening pedaling home), Think!- 
> the splendor of our life, its current unknown 
> as those mountains, the scene no one sees. 
> O citizens of our great amnesty: 
> we might have died. We live. Marvels 
> coast by, great veers and swoops of air 
> so bright the lamps waver in tears, 
> and I hear in the chain a chuckle I like to hear. 
>
>
> "Maybe Alone On My Bike" by William Stafford from The Way It Is. © 
> Graywolf Press, 1999. Reprinted with permission.

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Re: [RBW] Tenkara Erandonee

[Jim Bronson]

Glorious, as usual!

-Jim

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Gearing up for tenkara fishing on wee mountain streams.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/19474063151/in/dateposted-public/
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> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Tenkara Erandonee

[Ron Mc]

look at you go - looking forward to future photo sets

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> Gearing up for tenkara fishing on wee mountain streams. 
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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Eric]

Just when I was really thinking about a Hunqapillar! 

Maybe I'll just wait & see what comes from this!

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Betty Foy (50cm)

[Eric]

I guess I would also be looking for a 52cm.

But I recall Riv recalculating the offerings for Betty...

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/59509950520/fsr-betties 

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[RBW] Re: Didn't see that coming... Segmented Cast Fork Crown on BLUG

[Ginz]

Maybe this crown is for the "tall bike?"  Could we be looking at a 29'er?


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 64 cm Sam Hillborne (orange), mostly complete build

[Johan Larsson]

Ok, meant PBH...

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Mike Shaljian 
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> is maxxed out for me, but the bike fits perfectly!
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[RBW] Re: FS: 64 cm Sam Hillborne (orange), mostly complete build

[Mike Shaljian]

I'm 6'3 with a 34 inch inseam and (more importantly) 96 cm PBH. Seatpost is 
maxxed out for me, but the bike fits perfectly!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Paul Racers, Paul brake levers, TRP Levers, Various Nitto stems and handlebars!

[Avery E Wilson]

Everything shipped! Sale's over, so thanks to everyone who bought
something. It should be there this weekend, or next week depending on where
you live.

Avery
On Jul 7, 2015 5:33 PM, "Avery Wilson"  wrote:

> That was quick! Racer brakes, moon units, and cable hangers/stops are
> spoken for.
>
> 46cm Noodles still available.
>
> 52cm Dirt Drops (RM-013) are still available.
>
> Avery
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[RBW] Re: Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[RoadieRyan]

Have a great ride -I wish you cool tailwinds, I am three time finisher 
including a one day'er but its been a decade since I last did it.  Does 
look like it will be cooler than last weekend.  Be safe and have fun.  

R

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 10:10:41 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> Greetings,  
>   I'll be there on my sliver/orange Rivendell 
> .  My 
> bro's bailed out this summer so I'm soloing and planning on doing it in one 
> day. Plan on leaving early, getting in as many miles as possible before it 
> gets hot, then suffering to the finish. Hope to see a Riv or two on the 
> way. 
>
> PS. Mounted a new set of Compass "extra lights" on the steed tonight.  I 
> haven't ridden them yet but man they sure look good. I bet it will be like 
> riding tailwinds on marshmallows all the way to P-town! 
>
> Rob
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:46:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Williams wrote:
>>
>> Any other list members riding the STP next weekend?  Rivendell 
>> 
>>
>> Pictures prove I've done this before:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/7583563786/
>>
>> Andy
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 64 cm Sam Hillborne (orange), mostly complete build

[Johan Larsson]

Just out of curiosity, how tall are you, with what inseam?

Johan Larsson,
Sweden

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[RBW] Re: Question about Imperial saddles

[Deacon Patrick]

+1 for Rivet. For me they feel amazing out the box and get better with 
time. Essentially, the imperial cut removes the high ridge in the middle. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> I'm stuck on higher-grade Brooks saddles (special, select, LEs) - the 
> leather quality and q/c is just too hit-and-miss on standard grade Brooks 
> saddles for the purchase risk
> In cut-out saddles, I'm going to recommend Rivet. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about Imperial saddles

[Addison Wilhite]

I love my imperials because they allowed me to ride Brooks saddles again
(sensitive prostate area but that may be TMI).  I don't notice anything
lowering but I do notice that the cutout immediately makes a difference in
the cush right out of the box.

ymmv,


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> I'm stuck on higher-grade Brooks saddles (special, select, LEs) - the
> leather quality and q/c is just too hit-and-miss on standard grade Brooks
> saddles for the purchase risk
> In cut-out saddles, I'm going to recommend Rivet.
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[RBW] Re: Question about Imperial saddles

[Ron Mc]

I'm stuck on higher-grade Brooks saddles (special, select, LEs) - the 
leather quality and q/c is just too hit-and-miss on standard grade Brooks 
saddles for the purchase risk
In cut-out saddles, I'm going to recommend Rivet. 

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Betty Foy (50cm)

[Dave Johnston]

Where are you located?

Did they ever make a 50cm? According to the Riv geo charts someone 
published (see link) on google docs I see a 47cm and 52cm.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0

I saw one in person back a few months ago. The price was on the high side 
but it was in great condition. I took some mesurements and some pictures 
and the top tube was really short so it was too small for my girlfriend. I 
think it must have been a 47cm, 26" wheel version with a 53.5cm top tube. I 
might be able to find out if it ever sold. 

-Dave



On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:14:27 PM UTC-4, Eric wrote:
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> Looking for one! Complete or frameset. Thanks!!!
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[RBW] Re: Clementine Believer

[Garth]

   Am I missing something here  water bottle mounts ?  On both the Chev 
and the Clems , I see only one .  I don't know about anyone else  but I 
rarely ride with 1 large bottle , and those are <20 miles .  Does this mean 
you have to mcgyver water bottle mounts with aftermarkets I assume ?   With 
all that real estate behind the ST it seems there could be at least 1 if 
not 2 braze-ons mounted at like 45 degree angles backwards .

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle-to-Portland this weekend?

[Eric Norris]

Have fun, but watch out for the crazy riders in the morning. When I rode STP in 
2013, the first miles were a crash fest.

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> On Jul 7, 2015, at 10:10 PM, rob markwardt  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,  
>   I'll be there on my sliver/orange Rivendell.  My bro's bailed out this 
> summer so I'm soloing and planning on doing it in one day. Plan on leaving 
> early, getting in as many miles as possible before it gets hot, then 
> suffering to the finish. Hope to see a Riv or two on the way. 
> 
> PS. Mounted a new set of Compass "extra lights" on the steed tonight.  I 
> haven't ridden them yet but man they sure look good. I bet it will be like 
> riding tailwinds on marshmallows all the way to P-town! 
> 
> Rob
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:46:56 AM UTC-7, Andy Williams wrote:
>> Any other list members riding the STP next weekend?  Rivendell
>> 
>> Pictures prove I've done this before:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/7583563786/
>> 
>> Andy
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Re: [RBW] Re: I can't get the shifting dialed in

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks so much for all the great input. Here's my plan: I'm going to re-create 
what worked for so long on the Hilsen. I'm getting a new rear derailer and new 
Shimano bar-ends. After reading everyones suggestions, my intuition tells me 
this is the way to go. Another suggestion that really intrigued me was to go 
with an 8-speed cassette and a 9-speed chain. I'm going to wait on that because 
I don't want to make to major of a change before PBP. Anyway, I'll report back 
in a couple of weeks when the parts arrive and I install them. Thanks everyone!

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