[RBW] Fully Clothed Joe

[Joe Bernard]

I never would have thought of putting that bright green saddle on a light blue 
bike, but it looks fabulous!

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[RBW] Re: Those Long Chainstays and chains

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, the long stay (limo stay?) models (as opposed to long tail, which 
have the same or greater need) take a long chain. But I'm not getting how a 
triple has much to do with it. It would be determined based on your 
big/big, irregardless of how many cogs in back or rings in front. Which I 
guess these days could mean a 53 up front with a 50 in back...that might 
even require an extra link or two on a non-stretch bike! My Clementine has 
the tiny stock 38/24 double and it still needs extra links.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-4, scott wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>  Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The 
> chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too short 
> for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of chain 
> that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you 
> have to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 
> 8 speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two 
> different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different 
> colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one 
> every time I change it would work for quite a while. 
>
> Scott
>

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[RBW] Re: Fully Clothed Joe

[drew]

You made a deal, and even if it is with yourself, you should honor it. Get the 
Atlantis. If you don't, you'll always be thinking about it. I had a similar 
deal with myself about committing to being an adult, prior to hunq ownership, 
and that thing means so much to me. When all the other bikes go, that will be 
the one left standing.

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[RBW] WTB: vertical struts for Nitto R-14

[dougP]

These are the struts that run up from the dropout eyelet to the platform.  
Need at least 40 cm long if you have a pair either uncut or cut to no less 
than 40 cm.  Long shot I know but let me know what you've got.

dougP

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[RBW] Re: Those Long Chainstays and chains

[eddietheflay]

bulk chain by the foot here:

http://t-cycle.com/chain-in-bulk-c-116/bulk-kmc-x993-chain-p-35.html

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:44:30 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>  Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The 
> chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too short 
> for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of chain 
> that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you 
> have to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 
> 8 speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two 
> different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different 
> colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one 
> every time I change it would work for quite a while. 
>
> Scott
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride in The Dalles

[Eunice Chang]

Beautiful photos and writeup!

-E.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016, Brian Hanson  wrote:

> http://stonehog.com/2016/03/30/gorgeous-rides/
>
> Some folks from the infamous Seattle Portland Riv Rumble did a ride last
> weekend in Lyle, WA near The Dalles.  Great times ensued.  Pics...
>
> Special thanks to Dr. Squirrel who did two rides in two days with two
> groups.  Quite a ride guide, that one!
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
> Bike Blog 
> @stonehog
> stonehogboɥǝuoʇs
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[RBW] Re: Romulus refurbished as 650b

[Tony DeFilippo]

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2016/03/five-riv-morning.html

Erl's Romulus project came full circle (at least to me) this morning as we 
met for morning coffee in Georgetown.  The Romulus looks striking, the 
'Ford Blue' really pops in person even more than I think it does in photos. 
 Great work Erl and as always it was great to see you today!

I also believe I saw Howard on his 2TT Sage Hillborne headed south on the 
Mount Vernon Trail around the Memorial Bridge on my way in... 



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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

That's sounds about right. Here's my 56cm Wilbury (same bike, different 
name) with the saddle set for my 81.0cm PBH (saddle height is 70.5cm).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/benzzoy/23945952852/



On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:27:10 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A 56 Glorius would probably do fine for PBH's from about 80 to 87.  
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:21:34 PM UTC-7, gentleman mark wrote:
>>
>> What size PBH does 56 take? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fully Clothed Joe

[Will]

I have an Atlantis. Great bike. But I think you should get a CLEM. That 
gives you do-all Atlantis/Appaloosa capability without $$$ investment. 

Wait for the Riv pendulum to swing back to classic road frames. A Rodeo or 
Legolas that runs modern chubbies with fender clearance would be the bee's 
knees. 




On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:11:05 PM UTC-5, scott wrote:
>
> So, story goes like this: I went on an anti-anxiety drug in 2009 and 
> gained 75 pounds. I was already a big guy, always have been. So, in the 
> last 2 years I have lost 85 pounds (thanks in big part to the stuff Grant 
> has written). My goal is 23 pounds away. I told myself when I reached my 
> goal, I would buy myself an Atlantis. It has been something of a motivator. 
> The Joe was only twinkle in Grant's eye when I made this deal with myself. 
> So, that is my affinity for the Atlantis. However, as has been discussed on 
> the forum before, can one own too many Rivendell's? 
>Scott
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[KC]

This is the (very) bike that got me back to riding when she was gracious enough 
to let me ride it around Morro Bay one day. I love that bike. I am almost 5'3" 
75pbh and can ride it with the seat all the way down (my cheviot is 50cm). I 
wouldn't buy that size for myself, but I dont think i would have to be much 
taller for it to work.

Someone is going to get a very nice bike. 

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Re: [RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Christopher Murray]

Bill,

I have the saddle and pedals from my Joe- new and unused- that I'd take $60 
shipped for. PM me and we work it out.

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket

[Philip Williamson]

I think I paid $60 for an English v1 Octalink locally at the one shop that 
had the length I needed. $15 more than the shop that didn't have that 
length...
If anyone wants an ITALIAN threaded v1 Octalink BB, make an offer.


Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 12:06:16 PM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> FWIW:   for my V1 Octalink crank, I went w/ a XTR BB...   just in case you 
> can find one of them instead.  I've meant to pick up a second one to have 
> as a spare, but haven't found an affordable one yet
>
> -L
>
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I have an Ultegra triple crankset that I will be setting up as a compact 
>> double.  I need a Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket.  It needs to be 
>> 68x118.5 English threaded.  Before I buy a new 105 unit on ebay for $40 
>> shipped, I'd like a chance to send my money inside the group.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fully Clothed Joe

[scott]

So, story goes like this: I went on an anti-anxiety drug in 2009 and gained 
75 pounds. I was already a big guy, always have been. So, in the last 2 
years I have lost 85 pounds (thanks in big part to the stuff Grant has 
written). My goal is 23 pounds away. I told myself when I reached my goal, 
I would buy myself an Atlantis. It has been something of a motivator. The 
Joe was only twinkle in Grant's eye when I made this deal with myself. So, 
that is my affinity for the Atlantis. However, as has been discussed on the 
forum before, can one own too many Rivendell's? 
   Scott


>

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[RBW] Re: Fully Clothed Joe

[Frank Brose]

I'd have to agree with dougP here but I'm partial to 26" wheels and I've 
had the Atlantis (I've had a 58 as well) and would be hard pressed to go 
back to 700c for my do all cruiser.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 6:04:08 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> As a long time Atlantis owner, I'm still in love with mine.  But when you 
> can get a complete Joe for a couple bucks more than an Atlantis F&F, it 
> would cause any reasonable person to give it a long think.  I mean, the 
> Atlantis is a great bike but twice as great as Joe?  Kinda doubt it.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:43:34 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>I could see those brakes from two blocks away! The green Brooks was 
>> bought at a bike swap meet in the box for 60 bucks. They had two, wish I 
>> would have bought them both. The bar tape will be light green Newbaums with 
>> amber shellac. Should work with the saddle. My wife is concerned about the 
>> colors...I am not so much. 
>>
>> Don't tempt me on the Mustard Joe...I am seriously thinking about it.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tell me about these wheels, please.

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't follow.   What information are you looking for?

Are you asking for resale value because you want to get rid of them?  
Are you really asking if Phil hubs are worth their price?  
Are you asking about the rims?  What do you want to know?

I use 700c Bontrager Fairlane rims on my Atlantis.  I bought the rims off 
the list for $20 each.  I like them a lot.  They are stout, and I like the 
Asym rear for equal spoke tension, and they built up nicely.  I can see how 
one might consider 36H Phil Hubs and Fairlane rims too stout for a Ram, 
which is really more of a sporty road bike than a touring bike.  That 
wheelset would make a nice stout touring wheelset for somebody.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:51:27 PM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Hola to all,
> When I bought my Ram used it came with these wheels:
>
> rims: Bontrager Fairlane asym
> hubs: Phil 36 hole, F & R
>
> I know that Phil hubs are quite expensive, but are they really worth it? 
>  I've used good quality wheels, much less expensive,  made with sealed 
> bearing hubs and never had any issues. I did notice that these wheels are 
> quite heavy.
>
> I've since converted to 650 x 42, which I just love, so these are hanging 
> in the storage unit downstairs.  Any info is much appreciated.
>
> Alan
> NYC
>

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[RBW] Re: Fully Clothed Joe

[dougP]

As a long time Atlantis owner, I'm still in love with mine.  But when you 
can get a complete Joe for a couple bucks more than an Atlantis F&F, it 
would cause any reasonable person to give it a long think.  I mean, the 
Atlantis is a great bike but twice as great as Joe?  Kinda doubt it.  

dougP

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:43:34 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>I could see those brakes from two blocks away! The green Brooks was 
> bought at a bike swap meet in the box for 60 bucks. They had two, wish I 
> would have bought them both. The bar tape will be light green Newbaums with 
> amber shellac. Should work with the saddle. My wife is concerned about the 
> colors...I am not so much. 
>
> Don't tempt me on the Mustard Joe...I am seriously thinking about it.
>
>Scott
>
>

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[RBW] Tell me about these wheels, please.

[alan lavine]

Hola to all,
When I bought my Ram used it came with these wheels:

rims: Bontrager Fairlane asym
hubs: Phil 36 hole, F & R

I know that Phil hubs are quite expensive, but are they really worth it? 
 I've used good quality wheels, much less expensive,  made with sealed 
bearing hubs and never had any issues. I did notice that these wheels are 
quite heavy.

I've since converted to 650 x 42, which I just love, so these are hanging 
in the storage unit downstairs.  Any info is much appreciated.

Alan
NYC

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[RBW] Re: Fully Clothed Joe

[scott]

Patrick,
   I could see those brakes from two blocks away! The green Brooks was 
bought at a bike swap meet in the box for 60 bucks. They had two, wish I 
would have bought them both. The bar tape will be light green Newbaums with 
amber shellac. Should work with the saddle. My wife is concerned about the 
colors...I am not so much. 

Don't tempt me on the Mustard Joe...I am seriously thinking about it.

   Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Tavan]

Those GC1 (and "biokork" version) look excellent. I think I'll pick up a 
pair or two and try them out! 

Sorry about the namespace collision!

/Jeremy T. II 

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Check out the GC1 Ergon grips--they're intended for swept-back bars.  The 
> flat area extends to either side of the bar, rather than simply behind.  I 
> like them on angled swept-back bars like my Avenir Circa and Jones Loop. 
>  On Bosco's and Alba's, I like a larger diameter round grip, like Oury's. 
>  I've also been thinking about giving the ESI Super Chunky's a try.  
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>>
>> I've used Ergons on an upgright, straight-ish handlebar on a commuter 
>> bike before, and I liked them a lot. But the shaping seems a little odd for 
>> the swept-back-bar hand position - the little flap part being on the 
>> inside, rather than facing the rider. Hey, if it works, it works. My wife 
>> seems happy with hers on her Albatross bar, too. 
>>
>> /Jeremy
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but 
>>> the round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons 
>>> are bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[Bill Lindsay]

A 56 Glorius would probably do fine for PBH's from about 80 to 87.  

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:21:34 PM UTC-7, gentleman mark wrote:
>
> What size PBH does 56 take? 
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 7:20:58 PM UTC-4, Dave C wrote:
>>
>> 56 cm Rivendell Glorius Mixte (periwinkle) for sale. Pictures will be 
>> forthcoming Wednesday.
>>
>> My wife is selling her Glorius, purchased new in 2005. She used it 
>> infrequently over the years since she primarily rides her Romulus and 29er 
>> mountain bike. She would like to get a cross bike for events and some 
>> races, so has decided to part with this beloved bike. She has been flirting 
>> with the idea of selling it for a year, but every time she cleans it up she 
>> once again falls in love with its design and beauty. Grant truly hit a home 
>> run with this bike. We recently replaced the rear cassette and chain, and I 
>> put on new skinwall Gran Bois Cypres tires. Those were the first tires 
>> replacements the bike has received after the original Panaracer Col de la 
>> Vie tires (which should tell you how little use the bike has seen over the 
>> years). It was always garaged. While pictures show the Brooks B67 and Nitto 
>> pedals, we are keeping those.
>>
>> There are some paint chips on the rear seatstays, and minor blemishes 
>> (one on the head tube, one of the stickers has a light scratch on it). I 
>> took a picture of the chipped areas on the stay.
>>
>> We are asking $2000. If you are interested, for $80 more we will include 
>> both the black Blackburn rack (nothing fancy, but light and solid) and the 
>> Rivendell Adam bag (US-made, part of the original series of saddlebags 
>> Rivendell/Grant designed a little more than a decade ago. The bag is in 
>> good condition, and the only blemish is a tire mark under the bag that you 
>> obviously do not see unless you turn it upside down. It has an actual 
>> branch instead of a dowel inside the bag, evidence of the whimsical nature 
>> of the designer.
>>
>> This is a Toyo-made frame, and apparently required much more expense to 
>> fabricate than most of the other frames. The current Riv mixtes, the 
>> Cheviot, are made in Taiwan. I don't know if Waterford is making any mixtes 
>> for Rivendell.
>>
>> Pictures
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8&usp=sharing
>>
>> Glorius Build information
>> This bike was assembled by Rivendell in 2005. 
>> Cockpit
>> Aluminum Albatross bars
>> Cork grips
>> Cotton tape, shellacked (needs a new coat), twined at ends
>> Silver barend shifters
>> Diatech DP 9 Pro brake levers
>> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 
>> Shimano 600 headset
>>
>> Wheelset 
>> Built by Rich of Hands on Wheels
>> Velocity Synergy rims
>> rear Deore LX silver hub
>> Shimano Nexus DH3N71 front hub
>> Gran Bois Hetre tires (new)
>> Schwalbe 650b tubes, new
>>
>> Nitto "Frog" seatpost
>>
>> Drivetrain
>> Deore LX rear derailleur
>> 105 front derailleur
>> New SRAM cassette
>> Sugino XD triple crankset
>>
>> Greenfield Kickstand
>> B&M Lumotec dynamo light
>> Dia-Compe Centerpulls
>>
>> Optional purchase information
>> Baggins Bag - Adam
>> 18.1 L
>> Total cubic inches - 1103 (including pockets)
>>
>> Again, here are the pics:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8&usp=sharing
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fully Clothed Joe

[Bill Lindsay]

Looks fantastic.  I might swap cockpits between my Atlantis and Appaloosa 
someday for fun, too.  The Appaloosa would do fine with drop bars, and I 
bet the Appaloosa would be fun with Choco-mooses.  

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 3:12:35 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
>
> Finished the bike, for the most part. Wife rode it. She approves. May be 
> the first drop bar Joe in the wild at this point. 
> After riding it around a bit, adjusting things and whatnot, I am pretty 
> jealous...may rethink my strong desire for an Atlantis...
>
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Re: [RBW] Fully Clothed Joe

[Patrick Kelly]

Sweet!

I kinda like the green brooks. Funky.  Those brakes!

Yeah, forget the atlantis. Get a mustard joe to make a pair. :)

p.s. "fully clothed" ?? those are some naked looking bars, if ever I saw

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:12 PM, scott  wrote:
> Finished the bike, for the most part. Wife rode it. She approves. May be the
> first drop bar Joe in the wild at this point.
> After riding it around a bit, adjusting things and whatnot, I am pretty
> jealous...may rethink my strong desire for an Atlantis...
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[gentleman mark]

What size PBH does 56 take? 

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 7:20:58 PM UTC-4, Dave C wrote:
>
> 56 cm Rivendell Glorius Mixte (periwinkle) for sale. Pictures will be 
> forthcoming Wednesday.
>
> My wife is selling her Glorius, purchased new in 2005. She used it 
> infrequently over the years since she primarily rides her Romulus and 29er 
> mountain bike. She would like to get a cross bike for events and some 
> races, so has decided to part with this beloved bike. She has been flirting 
> with the idea of selling it for a year, but every time she cleans it up she 
> once again falls in love with its design and beauty. Grant truly hit a home 
> run with this bike. We recently replaced the rear cassette and chain, and I 
> put on new skinwall Gran Bois Cypres tires. Those were the first tires 
> replacements the bike has received after the original Panaracer Col de la 
> Vie tires (which should tell you how little use the bike has seen over the 
> years). It was always garaged. While pictures show the Brooks B67 and Nitto 
> pedals, we are keeping those.
>
> There are some paint chips on the rear seatstays, and minor blemishes (one 
> on the head tube, one of the stickers has a light scratch on it). I took a 
> picture of the chipped areas on the stay.
>
> We are asking $2000. If you are interested, for $80 more we will include 
> both the black Blackburn rack (nothing fancy, but light and solid) and the 
> Rivendell Adam bag (US-made, part of the original series of saddlebags 
> Rivendell/Grant designed a little more than a decade ago. The bag is in 
> good condition, and the only blemish is a tire mark under the bag that you 
> obviously do not see unless you turn it upside down. It has an actual 
> branch instead of a dowel inside the bag, evidence of the whimsical nature 
> of the designer.
>
> This is a Toyo-made frame, and apparently required much more expense to 
> fabricate than most of the other frames. The current Riv mixtes, the 
> Cheviot, are made in Taiwan. I don't know if Waterford is making any mixtes 
> for Rivendell.
>
> Pictures
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8&usp=sharing
>
> Glorius Build information
> This bike was assembled by Rivendell in 2005. 
> Cockpit
> Aluminum Albatross bars
> Cork grips
> Cotton tape, shellacked (needs a new coat), twined at ends
> Silver barend shifters
> Diatech DP 9 Pro brake levers
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 
> Shimano 600 headset
>
> Wheelset 
> Built by Rich of Hands on Wheels
> Velocity Synergy rims
> rear Deore LX silver hub
> Shimano Nexus DH3N71 front hub
> Gran Bois Hetre tires (new)
> Schwalbe 650b tubes, new
>
> Nitto "Frog" seatpost
>
> Drivetrain
> Deore LX rear derailleur
> 105 front derailleur
> New SRAM cassette
> Sugino XD triple crankset
>
> Greenfield Kickstand
> B&M Lumotec dynamo light
> Dia-Compe Centerpulls
>
> Optional purchase information
> Baggins Bag - Adam
> 18.1 L
> Total cubic inches - 1103 (including pockets)
>
> Again, here are the pics:
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8&usp=sharing
>
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[RBW] Re: Those Long Chainstays and chains

[scott]

Took 11 extra links. This is on a 51 cm. The cables were all long enough, 
but I could see on the bigger models, and especially with the 64cm Clems, 
holy smokes! 
 Also, I went to setup the front canti brakes and whoops! No cable stop. I 
should have asked when I ordered if they could put on on. I forgot they 
have these setup for V-brakes. Looks like the bike will have a nice rusty 
Dia-Compe cable stop on the headset! Aren't parts bins great?

   Scott

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>
> Hey Gang,
>  Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The 
> chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too short 
> for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of chain 
> that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you 
> have to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 
> 8 speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two 
> different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different 
> colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one 
> every time I change it would work for quite a while. 
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Those Long Chainstays and chains

[Tim Gavin]

You may have to buy longer chains, intended for tandems and/or recumbents.

Similarly, some shift cables aren't long enough for the run of bar-end +
cable loop + large frame, so some of use longer shift cables intended for
tandems.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Patrick Kelly  wrote:

> I wonder if "normal" local bike shops would have bulk chain rolls like
> riv? Buying chain by the foot might be the way to go.
>
> The idea of having a chain composed of different colors sounds kind of
> interesting. I'd like to see that in action. :)
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
> > I was contemplating that on my morning ride.  I normally stock up on SRAM
> > chains, and I'm due to order more 8sp and 9sp chains for my internal
> > inventory.  I will plan on getting like 4 Appaloosa chains out of every 5
> > chains purchased, something like that, and splice them together with a
> > second power link.
> >
> > Bill Lindsay
> > El Cerrito, CA
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:44:30 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Gang,
> >>  Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The
> >> chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too
> short
> >> for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of
> chain
> >> that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you
> have
> >> to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 8
> >> speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two
> >> different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different
> >> colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one
> >> every time I change it would work for quite a while.
> >>
> >> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Those Long Chainstays and chains

[Patrick Kelly]

I wonder if "normal" local bike shops would have bulk chain rolls like
riv? Buying chain by the foot might be the way to go.

The idea of having a chain composed of different colors sounds kind of
interesting. I'd like to see that in action. :)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> I was contemplating that on my morning ride.  I normally stock up on SRAM
> chains, and I'm due to order more 8sp and 9sp chains for my internal
> inventory.  I will plan on getting like 4 Appaloosa chains out of every 5
> chains purchased, something like that, and splice them together with a
> second power link.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:44:30 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
>>
>> Hey Gang,
>>  Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The
>> chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too short
>> for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of chain
>> that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you have
>> to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 8
>> speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two
>> different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different
>> colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one
>> every time I change it would work for quite a while.
>>
>> Scott
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[RBW] Re: Those Long Chainstays and chains

[Bill Lindsay]

I was contemplating that on my morning ride.  I normally stock up on SRAM 
chains, and I'm due to order more 8sp and 9sp chains for my internal 
inventory.  I will plan on getting like 4 Appaloosa chains out of every 5 
chains purchased, something like that, and splice them together with a 
second power link.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:44:30 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>  Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The 
> chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too short 
> for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of chain 
> that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you 
> have to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 
> 8 speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two 
> different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different 
> colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one 
> every time I change it would work for quite a while. 
>
> Scott
>

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[RBW] Those Long Chainstays and chains

[scott]

Hey Gang,
 Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The 
chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too short 
for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of chain 
that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you 
have to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 
8 speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two 
different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different 
colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one 
every time I change it would work for quite a while. 

Scott

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Re: [RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Bill Lindsay]

That's hilarious.  Thanks for that.  For what it's worth, my Mustard 
Appaloosa is now officially my best-looking bike, in the eyes of Mrs. 
Lindsay.  She let me know this morning that it's her favorite.  

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 12:34:55 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I never met the man, but when I was choosing an Appa color, there were two 
> factors:
> 1. I knew there was one blue Appa coming to Nashville.
> 2. Bill Lindsay chose Mustard. And as Justin August said, "If Bill wants 
> it, it must be good."
>
> Edwin
> Nashville
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>>
>> "If Bill wants it, it must be good!"
>>
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I have not asked Riv if they will stock them.  I'm genuinely looking to 
>>> snatch up the unwanted castoffs from the group first.  It's SUPER common to 
>>> buy a bike and immediately change saddle and pedals, so I figured it's 
>>> pretty likely.  Heck, when I picked up my Appaloosa there were another 5 
>>> lined up ready to be picked up, and 3 of the 5 had a Brooks Saddle 
>>> installed, or MKS pedals installed, or both.  The stock pedals and saddles 
>>> were just zip tied to the handlebars.  I know those unwanted bits are out 
>>> there.  
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I sometimes suspect I have a reverse jinx.  If I say 
>>> I want to buy it, that makes people want to hold onto it.  If I say I don't 
>>> want it, that makes people want to get rid of it.  hahahaha
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:15:01 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:

 Sorry, I love the stock plastic pedals, and the stock plastic saddle 
 is going on my daughters bike. :) 

 Have you checked if riv will sell these items separately soon? 

 On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Bill Lindsay  
 wrote: 
 > You bought a complete Appaloosa and don't like the stock plastic 
 pedals and 
 > the stock plastic saddle.  You installed that leather saddle you had 
 been 
 > saving and some Grip Kings (or whatever your favorite pedal is), and 
 have 
 > the stock saddle and pedals sitting there unwanted. 
 > 
 > I offer you $60 shipped for the saddle and pedals from your new 
 complete Joe 
 > Appaloosa. 
 > 
 > Bill Lindsay 
 > El Cerrito, CA 
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Re: [RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Edwin W]

I never met the man, but when I was choosing an Appa color, there were two 
factors:
1. I knew there was one blue Appa coming to Nashville.
2. Bill Lindsay chose Mustard. And as Justin August said, "If Bill wants 
it, it must be good."

Edwin
Nashville

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>
> "If Bill wants it, it must be good!"
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I have not asked Riv if they will stock them.  I'm genuinely looking to 
>> snatch up the unwanted castoffs from the group first.  It's SUPER common to 
>> buy a bike and immediately change saddle and pedals, so I figured it's 
>> pretty likely.  Heck, when I picked up my Appaloosa there were another 5 
>> lined up ready to be picked up, and 3 of the 5 had a Brooks Saddle 
>> installed, or MKS pedals installed, or both.  The stock pedals and saddles 
>> were just zip tied to the handlebars.  I know those unwanted bits are out 
>> there.  
>>
>> On the other hand, I sometimes suspect I have a reverse jinx.  If I say I 
>> want to buy it, that makes people want to hold onto it.  If I say I don't 
>> want it, that makes people want to get rid of it.  hahahaha
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:15:01 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, I love the stock plastic pedals, and the stock plastic saddle 
>>> is going on my daughters bike. :) 
>>>
>>> Have you checked if riv will sell these items separately soon? 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Bill Lindsay  
>>> wrote: 
>>> > You bought a complete Appaloosa and don't like the stock plastic 
>>> pedals and 
>>> > the stock plastic saddle.  You installed that leather saddle you had 
>>> been 
>>> > saving and some Grip Kings (or whatever your favorite pedal is), and 
>>> have 
>>> > the stock saddle and pedals sitting there unwanted. 
>>> > 
>>> > I offer you $60 shipped for the saddle and pedals from your new 
>>> complete Joe 
>>> > Appaloosa. 
>>> > 
>>> > Bill Lindsay 
>>> > El Cerrito, CA 
>>> > 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Big Loafer (tweed) - now discontinued

[Belopsky]

Fair point

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket

[Leslie]

FWIW:   for my V1 Octalink crank, I went w/ a XTR BB...   just in case you 
can find one of them instead.  I've meant to pick up a second one to have 
as a spare, but haven't found an affordable one yet

-L


On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have an Ultegra triple crankset that I will be setting up as a compact 
> double.  I need a Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket.  It needs to be 
> 68x118.5 English threaded.  Before I buy a new 105 unit on ebay for $40 
> shipped, I'd like a chance to send my money inside the group.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] FS: RBW Tweed Loafers (Big and Little Matching Set)

[Minh]

RBW Tweed Big Loafer, $135

Similiar to the current TrunkSack Large, still pretty stiff, a few rub 
marks on the leather trim, the leather trim on the lid is sticking out, the 
leather tabs on the bottom are showing a bit of stretch.

RBW Tweed Lil Loafer, $115

Similiar to the current TrunkSack Small, still pretty stiff, a few rub 
marks on the leather trim

PICS: https://goo.gl/photos/UtURyFZB1CfYTQRT6

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[RBW] FS: Brooks Challenge Tool Saddle Bag, Black, Used, $35

[Minh]

Brooks Challenge Tool Saddle Bag, Black, $35

This is the small leather tool bag, i picked this up second hand and one of 
the bolts had come undone on one of the straps, i replaced it with a nut 
and bolt, you can see the bolt on the inside.  There is some scratches and 
wear on the leather, it could use a good polish.   The straps are a little 
crunchy, but it still feels like it will hold. Solid used condition.

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Re: [RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Justin August]

"If Bill wants it, it must be good!"

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have not asked Riv if they will stock them.  I'm genuinely looking to 
> snatch up the unwanted castoffs from the group first.  It's SUPER common to 
> buy a bike and immediately change saddle and pedals, so I figured it's 
> pretty likely.  Heck, when I picked up my Appaloosa there were another 5 
> lined up ready to be picked up, and 3 of the 5 had a Brooks Saddle 
> installed, or MKS pedals installed, or both.  The stock pedals and saddles 
> were just zip tied to the handlebars.  I know those unwanted bits are out 
> there.  
>
> On the other hand, I sometimes suspect I have a reverse jinx.  If I say I 
> want to buy it, that makes people want to hold onto it.  If I say I don't 
> want it, that makes people want to get rid of it.  hahahaha
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:15:01 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I love the stock plastic pedals, and the stock plastic saddle 
>> is going on my daughters bike. :) 
>>
>> Have you checked if riv will sell these items separately soon? 
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote: 
>> > You bought a complete Appaloosa and don't like the stock plastic pedals 
>> and 
>> > the stock plastic saddle.  You installed that leather saddle you had 
>> been 
>> > saving and some Grip Kings (or whatever your favorite pedal is), and 
>> have 
>> > the stock saddle and pedals sitting there unwanted. 
>> > 
>> > I offer you $60 shipped for the saddle and pedals from your new 
>> complete Joe 
>> > Appaloosa. 
>> > 
>> > Bill Lindsay 
>> > El Cerrito, CA 
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Centerpull Racer, Nitto R14, VP-001 Pedals, Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, Sugino crankset, shimano BB un-55

[Philip Kim]

another update

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:51:08 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> updated on whats left
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Racers brakeset, silver, great condition a lot of miles still left - 
>> $160 shipped (*sold)*
>>
>> Nitto R14 (without tombstone, brand new in packaging) - $115 shipped 
>> *(sold)*
>>
>> VP-001 Pedals (thin gripsters) in silver, brand new - $55 shipped 
>> *(sold)*
>>
>> Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, brand new (installed on the bike and taken 
>> off) - $45 shipped
>>
>> Sugino XD600 triple, 44/36/26, brand new (installed on the bike and taken 
>> off), 165mm - $100 shipped
>>
>> Shimano UN55 110mm, brand new in box- $20 shipped
>>
>>
>> Please message me off-list, I can provide pictures as well.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Mark Reimer]

I'm running a SONdelux hub, eDelux II light, and have a sinewave revolution 
unit for charging. I can lollygag along with the light OFF and my iPhone 6 
plugged in, while running Strava/some GPS tracking app, and the phone stays 
at 100% all the time. I think it hits peak charging at about 12km/h or 
something like that. If the light is on while I'm charging, neither works 
well. But the SONdelux has a lower output than some hubs, designed to have 
minimal drag. 

I like this setup because it lets me use the very excellent and very 
beautiful eDelux II light. It's AWESOME. I don't need to charge stuff on a 
daily basis. Pretty much only when I'm on a tour. So having a built-in 
charging port is not a deal breaker to me. I put some connectors between 
the hub and the light that enables me to hook the sinewave up in seconds. 
Works well for me. 

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:02:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> In my limited experience (several days of RAGBRAI and other social tours), 
> the Luxos U's USB charging was enough to slowly trickle charge my iPhone 
> while it was running Strava (a charge-intensive app, because it uses the 
> GPS sensor) and sometimes streaming music via bluetooth to a speaker.
>
> For example, in 6 hours of day riding (while running Strava), the iPhone's 
> power would raise from 30% to 70%, or thereabouts.  I presume the iPhone 
> would charge more quickly if it wasn't running apps (especially if you put 
> it in Low Power mode).
>
> During the night with the light on standard beam (the Luxos U has a +10 
> lux high-beam setting), there wasn't enough spare power to charge the 
> iPhone while it was running.  When the iPhone was powered off, it would 
> gain a very slow trickle charge with the light on.  
> The Luxos U seems to prioritize the light output over the USB; the light 
> didn't appreciably dim when a device was plugged in.  The Sinewave and 
> other separate solutions may be more reliable device-chargers (but more 
> expensive).
>
> *One oddity to report*:  the Luxos U on my Riv Road 650b NEVER TURNS 
> OFF.  Normally, the Luxos U will drop its light output down to a 
> safety/standlight intensity once you stop, and then the safety/standlight 
> turns off within a minute or two.  My Riv's Luxos (wired to a Shimano 
> DH-3N80 hub) stays in the safety/standlight mode FOR WEEKS AT A TIME 
> (tested this winter, during fat bike season).
> I have another Luxos U that has been wired to a Shimano XT DH-T780 hub and 
> now an SP PD-8, and it exhibits normal behavior (turns off after a couple 
> minutes).
> I'm not trying to fix this "problem" because it doesn't seem to have any 
> ill effect (except maybe burning out the LEDs more quickly; but I think 
> they have million-hour lifespans anyway).  But it is an oddity!
>
>
> Drew, since you want to charge a lot of devices, have you considered a 
> double dynamo solution?  A front hub for your light, and a Velogical rim 
> dynamo on the rear for USB charging?  Riv/BOB listers have done crazier 
> things...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
>
>> I had a SineWave on a former bike, and as Howard said it doesn’t draw 
>> very much power at all unless there’s something plugged into it. Based on 
>> my experience (with a Shimano dyno hub), the SineWave works best all by 
>> itself. Running an Edelux light and using the SineWave to charge at the 
>> same time reduces the brightness of the headlight. Charge your phone during 
>> the day when the lights are off.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com 
>> www.campyonly.com
>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Howard Hatten > > wrote:
>>
>> With nothing plugged into the sinewave, power draw would be minimal. My 
>> luxos has a built in off switch. If your light doesn't have a switch you 
>> could wire one in. To be honest, I really don't feel the hubs resistance 
>> when I ride. Although I'm about as far away from a performance cyclist as 
>> one could be. 
>> Howard
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket

[Kieran J]

I heard that Octalink V1 is the new square taper. They are 100% bound to 
plummet in supply and skyrocket in value.

KJ


On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 2:31:19 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Keith
>
> I can absolutely wait.  I won't even have my frameset in my hands until 
> May.  Thanks very much.  Since V1 is long obsolete, I'd consider multiple 
> units.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:11:29 AM UTC-7, Keith Muller wrote:
>>
>> Bill, 
>>
>> I think I have a few of those at the shop.  Can you wait a couple days 
>> and I can check when I get back to work on Saturday and let you know?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket

[Bill Lindsay]

Keith

I can absolutely wait.  I won't even have my frameset in my hands until 
May.  Thanks very much.  Since V1 is long obsolete, I'd consider multiple 
units.  

Bill

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:11:29 AM UTC-7, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Bill, 
>
> I think I have a few of those at the shop.  Can you wait a couple days and 
> I can check when I get back to work on Saturday and let you know?
>
> Keith
>
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Re: [RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Bill Lindsay]

I have not asked Riv if they will stock them.  I'm genuinely looking to 
snatch up the unwanted castoffs from the group first.  It's SUPER common to 
buy a bike and immediately change saddle and pedals, so I figured it's 
pretty likely.  Heck, when I picked up my Appaloosa there were another 5 
lined up ready to be picked up, and 3 of the 5 had a Brooks Saddle 
installed, or MKS pedals installed, or both.  The stock pedals and saddles 
were just zip tied to the handlebars.  I know those unwanted bits are out 
there.  

On the other hand, I sometimes suspect I have a reverse jinx.  If I say I 
want to buy it, that makes people want to hold onto it.  If I say I don't 
want it, that makes people want to get rid of it.  hahahaha

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:15:01 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Sorry, I love the stock plastic pedals, and the stock plastic saddle 
> is going on my daughters bike. :) 
>
> Have you checked if riv will sell these items separately soon? 
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote: 
> > You bought a complete Appaloosa and don't like the stock plastic pedals 
> and 
> > the stock plastic saddle.  You installed that leather saddle you had 
> been 
> > saving and some Grip Kings (or whatever your favorite pedal is), and 
> have 
> > the stock saddle and pedals sitting there unwanted. 
> > 
> > I offer you $60 shipped for the saddle and pedals from your new complete 
> Joe 
> > Appaloosa. 
> > 
> > Bill Lindsay 
> > El Cerrito, CA 
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Re: [RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Patrick Kelly]

Sorry, I love the stock plastic pedals, and the stock plastic saddle
is going on my daughters bike. :)

Have you checked if riv will sell these items separately soon?

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> You bought a complete Appaloosa and don't like the stock plastic pedals and
> the stock plastic saddle.  You installed that leather saddle you had been
> saving and some Grip Kings (or whatever your favorite pedal is), and have
> the stock saddle and pedals sitting there unwanted.
>
> I offer you $60 shipped for the saddle and pedals from your new complete Joe
> Appaloosa.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Big Loafer (tweed) - now discontinued

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just a thought. I think the IBob list requires a price to be posted with 
For Sale listings. Since this is not just a swap and buy forum, 
discouraging bidding wars seems like it could be a friendlier approach to 
things for RBW listings as well. Or maybe I'm getting crotchety as the 
years roll by.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-4, Sean Cleary wrote:
>
> To those interested, I have the identical bag in excellent condition that 
> I'll sell to the best offer. 
>
> Sean Cleary, Eden Prairie, MN.
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> .32 cents and you pay shipping...
>>
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> I saw that this sold for $175. Missing the bungie cord on the top (stock 
>>> photo: 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1kb5poe74srjvy/Screenshot%202016-03-31%2008.48.37.png?dl=0
>>>  
>>> )
>>>
>>> Great condition otherwise.
>>>
>>> Make me an offer? Located in Ann Arbor, MI
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket

[Keith Muller]

Bill, 

I think I have a few of those at the shop.  Can you wait a couple days and I 
can check when I get back to work on Saturday and let you know?

Keith

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[RBW] WTB: Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket

[Bill Lindsay]

I have an Ultegra triple crankset that I will be setting up as a compact 
double.  I need a Shimano Octalink V1 bottom bracket.  It needs to be 
68x118.5 English threaded.  Before I buy a new 105 unit on ebay for $40 
shipped, I'd like a chance to send my money inside the group.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Bill Lindsay]

You bought a complete Appaloosa and don't like the stock plastic pedals and 
the stock plastic saddle.  You installed that leather saddle you had been 
saving and some Grip Kings (or whatever your favorite pedal is), and have 
the stock saddle and pedals sitting there unwanted.  

I offer you $60 shipped for the saddle and pedals from your new complete 
Joe Appaloosa.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Tim Gavin]

In my limited experience (several days of RAGBRAI and other social tours),
the Luxos U's USB charging was enough to slowly trickle charge my iPhone
while it was running Strava (a charge-intensive app, because it uses the
GPS sensor) and sometimes streaming music via bluetooth to a speaker.

For example, in 6 hours of day riding (while running Strava), the iPhone's
power would raise from 30% to 70%, or thereabouts.  I presume the iPhone
would charge more quickly if it wasn't running apps (especially if you put
it in Low Power mode).

During the night with the light on standard beam (the Luxos U has a +10 lux
high-beam setting), there wasn't enough spare power to charge the iPhone
while it was running.  When the iPhone was powered off, it would gain a
very slow trickle charge with the light on.
The Luxos U seems to prioritize the light output over the USB; the light
didn't appreciably dim when a device was plugged in.  The Sinewave and
other separate solutions may be more reliable device-chargers (but more
expensive).

*One oddity to report*:  the Luxos U on my Riv Road 650b NEVER TURNS OFF.
Normally, the Luxos U will drop its light output down to a
safety/standlight intensity once you stop, and then the safety/standlight
turns off within a minute or two.  My Riv's Luxos (wired to a Shimano
DH-3N80 hub) stays in the safety/standlight mode FOR WEEKS AT A TIME
(tested this winter, during fat bike season).
I have another Luxos U that has been wired to a Shimano XT DH-T780 hub and
now an SP PD-8, and it exhibits normal behavior (turns off after a couple
minutes).
I'm not trying to fix this "problem" because it doesn't seem to have any
ill effect (except maybe burning out the LEDs more quickly; but I think
they have million-hour lifespans anyway).  But it is an oddity!


Drew, since you want to charge a lot of devices, have you considered a
double dynamo solution?  A front hub for your light, and a Velogical rim
dynamo on the rear for USB charging?  Riv/BOB listers have done crazier
things...



On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I had a SineWave on a former bike, and as Howard said it doesn’t draw very
> much power at all unless there’s something plugged into it. Based on my
> experience (with a Shimano dyno hub), the SineWave works best all by
> itself. Running an Edelux light and using the SineWave to charge at the
> same time reduces the brightness of the headlight. Charge your phone during
> the day when the lights are off.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>
> On Mar 31, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Howard Hatten  wrote:
>
> With nothing plugged into the sinewave, power draw would be minimal. My
> luxos has a built in off switch. If your light doesn't have a switch you
> could wire one in. To be honest, I really don't feel the hubs resistance
> when I ride. Although I'm about as far away from a performance cyclist as
> one could be.
> Howard
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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Philip Kim]

what hub/wheel size are you using? if you're using the SP SV hubs, they 
don't have enough power to juice lighting and usb. i have a 650b wheelset 
and went shimano dynohub for this reason.


On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:34:15 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> Though the Luxus U is highly loved here I was very unhappy with the Luxus 
> U and was unable to maintain a charge on an iPhone 6 Plus while using 
> mapmyride and the screen off.   The small cache on the light was not 
> enough.  A larger cache battery such as I have with the E-Werk is much 
> better for me at a price of course. 4 other people I know with the 
> Luxus U experience the same issues, as well as with the E-Werk USB.   
>
> Just my experience. 
>
> Kelly
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 12:46:00 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>>
>> i bought/am buying the SP/atlas wheel that justin was selling today. 
>> never used a dyno system before. battery lights always did their job. on 
>> tour, it could get tricky, but i never really considered ponying up. but 
>> sometimes the stars align and a good deal meets up with me having a little 
>> extra cash So what do i need, what are some good resources, what should 
>> i avoid, tips, tricks, thoughts, etc. i'm a blank slate.
>>
>> specifics are:
>> -hunqapillar + big front rack
>> -SP PV-8
>> -would like to have lighting and usb charging. need not be simultaneous. 
>>
>> thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Till]

PS...Now there are two Jeremy T's on this forum?  This is going to get 
confusing.  

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Check out the GC1 Ergon grips--they're intended for swept-back bars.  The 
> flat area extends to either side of the bar, rather than simply behind.  I 
> like them on angled swept-back bars like my Avenir Circa and Jones Loop. 
>  On Bosco's and Alba's, I like a larger diameter round grip, like Oury's. 
>  I've also been thinking about giving the ESI Super Chunky's a try.  
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>>
>> I've used Ergons on an upgright, straight-ish handlebar on a commuter 
>> bike before, and I liked them a lot. But the shaping seems a little odd for 
>> the swept-back-bar hand position - the little flap part being on the 
>> inside, rather than facing the rider. Hey, if it works, it works. My wife 
>> seems happy with hers on her Albatross bar, too. 
>>
>> /Jeremy
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but 
>>> the round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons 
>>> are bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Appaloosa Rider

[Jeremy Till]

Check out the GC1 Ergon grips--they're intended for swept-back bars.  The 
flat area extends to either side of the bar, rather than simply behind.  I 
like them on angled swept-back bars like my Avenir Circa and Jones Loop. 
 On Bosco's and Alba's, I like a larger diameter round grip, like Oury's. 
 I've also been thinking about giving the ESI Super Chunky's a try.  

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> I've used Ergons on an upgright, straight-ish handlebar on a commuter bike 
> before, and I liked them a lot. But the shaping seems a little odd for the 
> swept-back-bar hand position - the little flap part being on the inside, 
> rather than facing the rider. Hey, if it works, it works. My wife seems 
> happy with hers on her Albatross bar, too. 
>
> /Jeremy
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Ergon grips are fabulous. I've tried the Riv corks a couple times, but 
>> the round, hard-ish shape doesn't work for me. I also like that the Ergons 
>> are bolt-on for easy bar swaps. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Anton Tutter]

Here's the experiment I did:  it was a wheel roll-down test, which measured 
the time it took for the wheel to come to a complete stop from a hard spin. 
It was a science experiment I did with my 9 year old daughter.  The higher 
the resistive load on the dynamo, the faster the wheel comes to a stop. We 
did the experiment on two different dynamo wheels: a 650B wheel with 
Schmidt Hub, and a 20" wheel with SP hub. The 20" wheel had much faster 
roll-down because smaller wheels have lower rotational inertia. Notice the 
sinewave charger had the same wheel roll-down time as nothing at all 
attached to the dynamo. The lights had the fastest roll-down time. I also 
threw in a couple of different resistors for comparison.

Anton
velolumino.com




On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:41:17 PM UTC-4, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> I did an experiment, and came to the conclusion that the Sinewave charger 
> does not draw any significant power when there is no device plugged into 
> it. According to Sinewave's owner and founder, it draws about 6mA without 
> any device plugged in. That's about 1% of a typical dynamo load.
>
> Most modern headlights have built-in on/off switches.
>
> If you have a threadless headset, you can even get an integrated switch 
> for your lighting system that looks like a rotating stem cap, it was 
> developed and is hand-fabricated by me and Tom Matchak and we sell it 
> through Velo Lumino.
>
> Anton
> velolumino.com
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 12:43:06 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all the responses. Looking forward to sitting down with all 
>> the links and info. It's a whole new realm.
>> I like the simplicity of luxos+usb. seems like it would be the easiest 
>> option. Something like Sinewave is actually what I assumed I was going to 
>> have to use, and that plus an external battery seems maybe more powerful 
>> and more boyscouty in its preparedness.
>>
>> Excuse the dumb questions, but...
>>
>> Say you go sinewave + random light. Are there off switches on these 
>> things? Or I guess, is the sinewave pulling power if nothing I plugged into 
>> it. Conversely, are there plain off switches on most lights? I'm aware that 
>> some have a light sensor with daytime/night time power. 
>> I guess my goal is to be able to power phone, music, camera (I have one 
>> device for each... I know, I know) during the day and use only the light at 
>> night. Just trying to see if power would need to be divided in this setup, 
>> or if day/night useage could be fully dedicated to power/light, 
>> respectively.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Anton Tutter]

I did an experiment, and came to the conclusion that the Sinewave charger 
does not draw any significant power when there is no device plugged into 
it. According to Sinewave's owner and founder, it draws about 6mA without 
any device plugged in. That's about 1% of a typical dynamo load.

Most modern headlights have built-in on/off switches.

If you have a threadless headset, you can even get an integrated switch for 
your lighting system that looks like a rotating stem cap, it was developed 
and is hand-fabricated by me and Tom Matchak and we sell it through Velo 
Lumino.

Anton
velolumino.com

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 12:43:06 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the responses. Looking forward to sitting down with all the 
> links and info. It's a whole new realm.
> I like the simplicity of luxos+usb. seems like it would be the easiest 
> option. Something like Sinewave is actually what I assumed I was going to 
> have to use, and that plus an external battery seems maybe more powerful 
> and more boyscouty in its preparedness.
>
> Excuse the dumb questions, but...
>
> Say you go sinewave + random light. Are there off switches on these 
> things? Or I guess, is the sinewave pulling power if nothing I plugged into 
> it. Conversely, are there plain off switches on most lights? I'm aware that 
> some have a light sensor with daytime/night time power. 
> I guess my goal is to be able to power phone, music, camera (I have one 
> device for each... I know, I know) during the day and use only the light at 
> night. Just trying to see if power would need to be divided in this setup, 
> or if day/night useage could be fully dedicated to power/light, 
> respectively.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[Zack]

what a beautiful bike. good luck with the sale! 

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Eric Norris]

I had a SineWave on a former bike, and as Howard said it doesn’t draw very much 
power at all unless there’s something plugged into it. Based on my experience 
(with a Shimano dyno hub), the SineWave works best all by itself. Running an 
Edelux light and using the SineWave to charge at the same time reduces the 
brightness of the headlight. Charge your phone during the day when the lights 
are off.

--Eric Norris
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> On Mar 31, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Howard Hatten  wrote:
> 
> With nothing plugged into the sinewave, power draw would be minimal. My luxos 
> has a built in off switch. If your light doesn't have a switch you could wire 
> one in. To be honest, I really don't feel the hubs resistance when I ride. 
> Although I'm about as far away from a performance cyclist as one could be. 
> Howard
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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Kelly]

Though the Luxus U is highly loved here I was very unhappy with the Luxus U 
and was unable to maintain a charge on an iPhone 6 Plus while using 
mapmyride and the screen off.   The small cache on the light was not 
enough.  A larger cache battery such as I have with the E-Werk is much 
better for me at a price of course. 4 other people I know with the 
Luxus U experience the same issues, as well as with the E-Werk USB.   

Just my experience. 

Kelly

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 12:46:00 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> i bought/am buying the SP/atlas wheel that justin was selling today. never 
> used a dyno system before. battery lights always did their job. on tour, it 
> could get tricky, but i never really considered ponying up. but sometimes 
> the stars align and a good deal meets up with me having a little extra 
> cash So what do i need, what are some good resources, what should i 
> avoid, tips, tricks, thoughts, etc. i'm a blank slate.
>
> specifics are:
> -hunqapillar + big front rack
> -SP PV-8
> -would like to have lighting and usb charging. need not be simultaneous. 
>
> thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Howard Hatten]

With nothing plugged into the sinewave, power draw would be minimal. My luxos 
has a built in off switch. If your light doesn't have a switch you could wire 
one in. To be honest, I really don't feel the hubs resistance when I ride. 
Although I'm about as far away from a performance cyclist as one could be. 
Howard

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[RBW] Re: New CLEM pic, short review

[Joe Bernard]

Mark: HA! I totally forgot that the bikes have dude and gal names. My bad!

Bill: Yes, the fellow who sold me the bars said they were from V-O. I mostly 
ride Albas and flatbars, and so far am very impressed with these butterflies. 
I've always liked the flats on dropbars for riding on the heels of my hands, 
but don't do well with the hood and drop positions. This is like a really wide 
flats section with a couple forward positions to move around on.

Jeremy: Build that bike, young man. Spring is in the air!

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Kieran J]

That's what I figured. Do the Fast Traks run true to size?

KJ


On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 9:22:31 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Neve wrote:
>
> They are Specialized Fast Trak 29x2.0s set up tubeless on the stock rims. 
> Just some I had laying around but they are going to be fun. I like to 
> visualize my ideal touring bike as something that can get from the grocery 
> store/farmer's market to some mildly techy singletrack all in the same 
> day...achievement unlocked?
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> What tires are on there?
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 1:41:55 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Neve wrote:
>>>
>>> Long time listener, first time caller. Got my Appaloosa unboxed and 
>>> built yesterday afternoon. I had plenty of time to sit and ponder on what I 
>>> wanted this build to look like, and enough parts kicking around or on the 
>>> horizon that a few swaps from the stock build was easy. I'm over the moon 
>>> about this thing.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 700c Tires - Smart Sams, Conti Speed Rides, Vee Rubber V12s, Panaracer Paselas, Resist Nomads

[David Banzer]

Call it spring cleaning, call it cleaning up previously listed but unsold 
tires.

Prices DO NOT include shipping. Local pickup encouraged on wire beads, but 
certainly can ship them if need be (rolled in thirds).
Paypal Personal for payment please, or cover PP fees.
Contact me offlist if you can.
Thanks,
David
Chicago


   - Continental Speed Ride - PAIR - 700 x 40, measured a hair over 38mm 
   actual on Dyads - http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t108.htm - used less 
   than 100 miles - folding bead - $40 plus shipping
   - Schwalbe Smart Sam Tires - PAIR - 29x2.1 - measure about 50mm actual 
   width - a size larger than Riv stocks - 
   http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tsmart-10135.htm - used lightly, lots of 
   tread - wire bead - $30 plus shipping
   - Vee Rubber V12 Tires - PAIR - 29x1.95 - measure about 47mm on Dyads - 
   used a little, lots of tread - folding bead - $45 plus shipping
   - Panaracer Pasela Tires - PAIR - 700x32 - mounted on a few different 
   bikes as placeholders, but never really ridden more than a mile, black 
   walls - wire bead, non-TG/PT version -  $40 plus shipping
   - Panaracer Pasela Tires - PAIR - 700x32 - used a bunch, tread is worn a 
   bit, I actually prefer these worn in ones to new ones - wire bead, 
   non-TG/PT version - $30 plus shipping
   - Resist Nomad Tires - PAIR - 700x35 - measure a hair under 34mm actual 
   width on CR18s - used very lightly - maybe 100 miles total at most - tan 
   sidewalls - wire bead - $30 plus shipping
   - Resist Nomad Tires - PAIR - 700x45 - measure about 41mm on Dyads - 
   used lightly, planned to use these on BMC MC before I realized I can fit 
   much larger tires - tan sidewalls - wire bead - $35 plus shipping
   

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[drew]

Thanks for all the responses. Looking forward to sitting down with all the 
links and info. It's a whole new realm.
I like the simplicity of luxos+usb. seems like it would be the easiest option. 
Something like Sinewave is actually what I assumed I was going to have to use, 
and that plus an external battery seems maybe more powerful and more boyscouty 
in its preparedness.

Excuse the dumb questions, but...

Say you go sinewave + random light. Are there off switches on these things? Or 
I guess, is the sinewave pulling power if nothing I plugged into it. 
Conversely, are there plain off switches on most lights? I'm aware that some 
have a light sensor with daytime/night time power. 
I guess my goal is to be able to power phone, music, camera (I have one device 
for each... I know, I know) during the day and use only the light at night. 
Just trying to see if power would need to be divided in this setup, or if 
day/night useage could be fully dedicated to power/light, respectively.

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[James Chang]

USB charging too?  Then the LUXOS U is your ticket.

http://www.rivbike.com/Busch-and-Muller-Luxos-U-Headlight-p/ltd-11.htm

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 1:45 PM, drew  wrote:

> i bought/am buying the SP/atlas wheel that justin was selling today. never
> used a dyno system before. battery lights always did their job. on tour, it
> could get tricky, but i never really considered ponying up. but sometimes
> the stars align and a good deal meets up with me having a little extra
> cash So what do i need, what are some good resources, what should i
> avoid, tips, tricks, thoughts, etc. i'm a blank slate.
>
> specifics are:
> -hunqapillar + big front rack
> -SP PV-8
> -would like to have lighting and usb charging. need not be simultaneous.
>
> thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dyno lighting is the way to go.  I have an Alfine hub on one bike with 
Supernova headlight and rear light which works well.  
I am in the process of setting up a bike with the Velogical Rim Dynamo with 
B&M IQ-X headlight and rear lights.  Velogical is worth considering because 
the dynamo is very efficient, weighs 70 grams and, because it spins on the 
rim, can be moved away from that rim to improve rolling resistance and will 
not require the expense of a new hub and wheel build.  
The Velogical might be a tad underpowered for the lights I have but so far 
I find that the light emitted from the IQ-X is quite bright.  I worry about 
this new set up actually being too bright for oncoming drivers.  This is 
all a bit preliminary but my hunch is that the Velogical will be a good 
product.  
Again, the Velogical requires no new wheel build, is less expensive, is 
efficient and really quite an elegant, German made product.
Good luck.  At some point, after wiring is completed I hope to post 
pictures.
Tim Petersen

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 5:53:01 AM UTC-5, bo richardson wrote:
>
> the peace of mind knowing if you find yourself at the base of chuckanut 
> drive
> at 7 pm unexpectedly, you wont pull lights out of your bag and find them 
> dead.
> or in the other bike bag.
> or swiped.

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Howard Hatten]

Rene
That piggyback connector crimps to the sinewave wires and attaches to your hub 
tabs. The tabs on the connector attach to your light. The photo is confusing. 
Howard

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Jeremy Till]

Thanks for the tire info...I'm thinking about doing the 2.2 FasTraks on my 
upcoming Clem build.  I've got some old touring wheels that I can probably 
get it rolling with but what I really want to do is lace some of the new 
Velocity Cliffhangers (30mm, tubeless, rim brake!) to some prototype Silver 
hubs I have.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 6:22:31 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Neve wrote:
>
> They are Specialized Fast Trak 29x2.0s set up tubeless on the stock rims. 
> Just some I had laying around but they are going to be fun. I like to 
> visualize my ideal touring bike as something that can get from the grocery 
> store/farmer's market to some mildly techy singletrack all in the same 
> day...achievement unlocked?
>
> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> What tires are on there?
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 1:41:55 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Neve wrote:
>>>
>>> Long time listener, first time caller. Got my Appaloosa unboxed and 
>>> built yesterday afternoon. I had plenty of time to sit and ponder on what I 
>>> wanted this build to look like, and enough parts kicking around or on the 
>>> horizon that a few swaps from the stock build was easy. I'm over the moon 
>>> about this thing.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New CLEM pic, short review

[Jeremy Till]

Must. Build up.  Clem frame sitting in garage.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:03:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Got 'er set up now with butterfly bars, Pletscher rack, and a strange mix 
> of rear 8-speed RapidFire clickers and cheapo SunRace front friction 
> shifters. It's weird but it works!
>
> Eventually she'll get fat tires and fenders, but I'm happy with this setup 
> for now. Have I mentioned what an amazing bike the CLEM is? It rides like a 
> Gold Wing and corners like a Ducati, two things which shouldn't be possible 
> in one frame. I could ride up a dirt trail, sail down the twisty paved way, 
> then tour across country on it tomorrow with no changes save for maybe a 
> slightly meatier tire for the dirt part. Rivendell makes more expensive 
> frames with fancier details (and I love them), but I challenge anybody to 
> present that you actually need more bike than this. CLEM is a fabulous 
> bicycle!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Brian Campbell]

Just doing my best to pump of the value of my Velo Lumino stock 
options..;-)

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:15:19 AM UTC-4, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> Thanks for the shout out, Brian!
>
> Agreed, starting at Velo Lumino for generator basics is a great idea :). I 
> offer the same wiring, connectors, grommets, and general installation 
> materials that I use on all my custom installations. I also sell SP hubs.
>
> For USB charging, I highly recommend the Sinewave Cycles USB charger (
> sinewavecycles.com), either the "Revolution" (matchbox size, zip-ties to 
> fork) or the "Reactor" (integrated into a threadless stem cap with wires 
> concealed within the fork steerer). Both use the same electronics, which 
> are superior to any of the ones offered by Supernova and B&M. The Sinewave 
> charger is also designed and manufactured in the US.
>
> Anton
> velolumino.com
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 6:51:42 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Check out this site for materials.
>>
>> http://www.velolumino.com/
>>
>> I used the thin wire they supplied and ran it inside my fender and along 
>> my frame by imbeding it ina bead of GOOP adhesive. It holds securely and 
>> peels right off if need be with no damage to the paint. I was trying to 
>> have my bike not covered in wires wrapped around everything.
>>
>> I also used their taillight which is expensive but works and looks great. 
>> I used a Schmidt Edelux II headlight and it is pretty awesome. Very bright 
>> and very light.
>>
>> Semi recent picture of my Hilsen.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Shimano Saint pedals and Five Ten shoes

[dstein]

 - Shimano PD-MX80 Saint Pedals - $45 shipped (only used for a month or so, 
went back to clipless)
- Five Ten Men's Freerider Sneakers, size 10 - $65 shipped (only ridden for 
2 or 3 rides, like new, great shoes but decided to go back to clipless, I 
cut the strings and used some adjustable clips to keep the strings in place 
so they wouldn’t tie and hang loose, these are $100 new. 

Also, I realize this is a weird thing to tack on for some shoes and pedals, 
but I may be putting a 48cm green Hunqapillar up for sale this summer and 
putting a feeler out now to gauge interest. Thinking of selling complete 
(albastache build kit, triple sugino crank, silver shifters with rear on 
right bar end and front on left downtube, rat trap pass tires, p65 fenders, 
and recently installed paul motolite brakes.) A little beausage, it was my 
primary mountain bike for a good year and a half, used some touch up paint 
ordered from waterford, all surface scratches, no frame damage or dents. 
The tires, brakes, levers, and fenders are all newer and were a bit of an 
investment (within the last 3 months). I have some Smart Sams too. Possible 
saddle and rack(s). PM me if interested. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Big Loafer (tweed) - now discontinued

[Sean Cleary]

To those interested, I have the identical bag in excellent condition that 
I'll sell to the best offer. 

Sean Cleary, Eden Prairie, MN.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> .32 cents and you pay shipping...
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> I saw that this sold for $175. Missing the bungie cord on the top (stock 
>> photo: 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1kb5poe74srjvy/Screenshot%202016-03-31%2008.48.37.png?dl=0
>>  
>> )
>>
>> Great condition otherwise.
>>
>> Make me an offer? Located in Ann Arbor, MI
>>
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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Anton Tutter]

Rene,

The piggyback connectors should already by twice as wide to account for the 
double thickness. Just press them onto the hub terminals as normal, and 
you'll have a second set of new terminals to plug your headight wire into.

Anton
velolumino.com


On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:59:03 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> I checked out the Sinewave Cycles booth at NAHBS and came away impressed. 
> I'm going to get the Piggyback connectors to run the charger in parallel 
> with my light. However, now that I'm checking their site to order them, I 
> cannot figure out how they're installed on the Shmidt hub. 
>
> Do thy go side by side with the tabs on the hub and if so, do you need to 
> pry open one of the connectors due to the double thickness?
>
> Maybe I'm slow this morning, but I can't remember how it was explained to 
> me at their booth. There are no instructions on the website. 
>
> René 
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016, Minh > 
> wrote:
>
>> sorry all for replying to myself, re: the usb charging, try to solicit 
>> feedback from folks that have done it, for me the charge rate is slow 
>> enough that i'd rather have brighter lights in lieu of USB charging and 
>> i'll figure out the USB power another way (charging at lunch etc), but i 
>> also don't have a constant USB use requirement.  if i were needing to power 
>> a GPS computer or phone during the entire ride that may change my 
>> thinking---though i believe that in either case the phone would still use 
>> battery just at a lower rate than normal.  
>>
>> but make sure you do some research on this to make sure you understand 
>> the trade-offs.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>>>
>>> drew,
>>>
>>> it can feel overwhelming but don't over-think it too much, one thing i 
>>> have noticed is that lights are leap-frogging each other in terms of 
>>> brightness every year, even something like the luxos u (which is only 2 
>>>  years old?) are being beat in terms of brightness by the lights coming out 
>>> now.  the luxos is still quite bright so if the USB is a requirement i 
>>> would still choose it, but if not check out the newer lights as well.
>>>
>>> peter white and anton's site (velolumino) will have you covered, anton 
>>> in particular will give you the cleanest installation tips.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The wind, for us & against us

[Patrick Moore]

I hope you'll post photos of the trip; I can't imagine a landscape more
different to mine than that you describe.

Wind: yes indeed! I went on a 21 mile out and back on the gofast yesterday,
more or less southward, with wind gusting to 24 mph from NW. Averaged 17.27
clock running outbound, 15.42 return, not pushing too hard. On Tuesday the
wind was 31 gusting to 43 from the SW -- I stayed home and fought to keep
the neighbor's yard debris out of my garden and garage -- great dust clouds
and rolling waves of tumbleweeds blowing across the roads on the westside,
though we don't have the dust storms that we had back before the westside
was as built up as today.

I deliberately took it easy outbound yesterday, warmed up nicely, and
pushed it just a little harder on the return, managing quite well in the
75" without recourse to the 65" flip gear. I swear, the Compass Elk Pass
EL's just make pedaling easier.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Pat and I have been exploring the Outer Banks of NC on our tandem. For
> the first three of days in NC we explored the northern half of the Outer
> Banks, (written in NC as OBX).  The northern end of the islands is the most
> developed part, but has two big advantages  - bike lane/paths and a steady
> wind out of the north which blew us back to our inn when we tired.  On the
> third day we decided to head south to visit a lighthouse, probably less
> than 20 miles south of the inn.   We enjoyed the ride down and the site
> seeing, but the ride back into the wind was exhausting.  So on our last
> full day we decided to drive south toward Cape Hatteras and then ride
> north.  We loaded the tandem on the top of the Golf Sportwagon and headed
> out.  The drive was lovely, on a narrow road bordered by dunes along the
> national seashore.The stunning sand dunes and absolutely gorgeous
> beaches to walk on made the trip worthwhile even as the wind whipped sand
> stung our bare legs.  When we got as far as Avon, 43 miles south on the
> First Colonial Inn, we concluded that we weren’t going to find any rideable
> roads, made a U turn and headed back.
>
> At this point we noticed that on the trip down we had averaged an amazing
> 63mpg!  By the time we had returned along the same road that average had
> dropped to 52, which is a difference of 22 mpg!  You can put that in your
> powermeter and smoke it!
>
> Michael, now in Chincoteague Va. and slowly meandering back to Vermont.
>
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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[René Sterental]

I checked out the Sinewave Cycles booth at NAHBS and came away impressed.
I'm going to get the Piggyback connectors to run the charger in parallel
with my light. However, now that I'm checking their site to order them, I
cannot figure out how they're installed on the Shmidt hub.

Do thy go side by side with the tabs on the hub and if so, do you need to
pry open one of the connectors due to the double thickness?

Maybe I'm slow this morning, but I can't remember how it was explained to
me at their booth. There are no instructions on the website.

René

On Thursday, March 31, 2016, Minh  wrote:

> sorry all for replying to myself, re: the usb charging, try to solicit
> feedback from folks that have done it, for me the charge rate is slow
> enough that i'd rather have brighter lights in lieu of USB charging and
> i'll figure out the USB power another way (charging at lunch etc), but i
> also don't have a constant USB use requirement.  if i were needing to power
> a GPS computer or phone during the entire ride that may change my
> thinking---though i believe that in either case the phone would still use
> battery just at a lower rate than normal.
>
> but make sure you do some research on this to make sure you understand the
> trade-offs.
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>>
>> drew,
>>
>> it can feel overwhelming but don't over-think it too much, one thing i
>> have noticed is that lights are leap-frogging each other in terms of
>> brightness every year, even something like the luxos u (which is only 2
>>  years old?) are being beat in terms of brightness by the lights coming out
>> now.  the luxos is still quite bright so if the USB is a requirement i
>> would still choose it, but if not check out the newer lights as well.
>>
>> peter white and anton's site (velolumino) will have you covered, anton in
>> particular will give you the cleanest installation tips.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Minh]

sorry all for replying to myself, re: the usb charging, try to solicit 
feedback from folks that have done it, for me the charge rate is slow 
enough that i'd rather have brighter lights in lieu of USB charging and 
i'll figure out the USB power another way (charging at lunch etc), but i 
also don't have a constant USB use requirement.  if i were needing to power 
a GPS computer or phone during the entire ride that may change my 
thinking---though i believe that in either case the phone would still use 
battery just at a lower rate than normal.  

but make sure you do some research on this to make sure you understand the 
trade-offs.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> drew,
>
> it can feel overwhelming but don't over-think it too much, one thing i 
> have noticed is that lights are leap-frogging each other in terms of 
> brightness every year, even something like the luxos u (which is only 2 
>  years old?) are being beat in terms of brightness by the lights coming out 
> now.  the luxos is still quite bright so if the USB is a requirement i 
> would still choose it, but if not check out the newer lights as well.
>
> peter white and anton's site (velolumino) will have you covered, anton in 
> particular will give you the cleanest installation tips.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Anton Tutter]

Thanks for the shout out, Brian!

Agreed, starting at Velo Lumino for generator basics is a great idea :). I 
offer the same wiring, connectors, grommets, and general installation 
materials that I use on all my custom installations. I also sell SP hubs.

For USB charging, I highly recommend the Sinewave Cycles USB charger 
(sinewavecycles.com), either the "Revolution" (matchbox size, zip-ties to 
fork) or the "Reactor" (integrated into a threadless stem cap with wires 
concealed within the fork steerer). Both use the same electronics, which 
are superior to any of the ones offered by Supernova and B&M. The Sinewave 
charger is also designed and manufactured in the US.

Anton
velolumino.com

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 6:51:42 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Check out this site for materials.
>
> http://www.velolumino.com/
>
> I used the thin wire they supplied and ran it inside my fender and along 
> my frame by imbeding it ina bead of GOOP adhesive. It holds securely and 
> peels right off if need be with no damage to the paint. I was trying to 
> have my bike not covered in wires wrapped around everything.
>
> I also used their taillight which is expensive but works and looks great. 
> I used a Schmidt Edelux II headlight and it is pretty awesome. Very bright 
> and very light.
>
> Semi recent picture of my Hilsen.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Howard Hatten]

I recently went to a Dyno hub on my Atlantis. I'm using the luxos B for 
lighting. This is what Peter white recommended for my type of riding. For 
charging I'm using the sine wave revolution charger. 
http://www.sinewavecycles.com/  
It has a feature that delays charging for a few seconds to let you get up to 
speed.  I hear some electronics get cranky when you throw some lower charge at 
them. This unit is small, the size of a match box. 1.5 hr of riding raised my 
iPhone from 38 to 52 %. 
I'm told running lights and charging diminishes output but I haven't verified 
that yet. On multiday rides I'm planning on charging to a storage battery and 
charging my stuff off that at night. All this charging happens in a small bar 
tube bag. 
Safe riding
Howard
Livonia Mi. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Big Loafer (tweed) - now discontinued

[Belopsky]

SOLD!

No but sold off list.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 9:37:19 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> .32 cents and you pay shipping...
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> I saw that this sold for $175. Missing the bungie cord on the top (stock 
>> photo: 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1kb5poe74srjvy/Screenshot%202016-03-31%2008.48.37.png?dl=0
>>  
>> )
>>
>> Great condition otherwise.
>>
>> Make me an offer? Located in Ann Arbor, MI
>>
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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Minh]

drew,

it can feel overwhelming but don't over-think it too much, one thing i have 
noticed is that lights are leap-frogging each other in terms of brightness 
every year, even something like the luxos u (which is only 2  years old?) 
are being beat in terms of brightness by the lights coming out now.  the 
luxos is still quite bright so if the USB is a requirement i would still 
choose it, but if not check out the newer lights as well.

peter white and anton's site (velolumino) will have you covered, anton in 
particular will give you the cleanest installation tips.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:46:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> i bought/am buying the SP/atlas wheel that justin was selling today. never 
> used a dyno system before. battery lights always did their job. on tour, it 
> could get tricky, but i never really considered ponying up. but sometimes 
> the stars align and a good deal meets up with me having a little extra 
> cash So what do i need, what are some good resources, what should i 
> avoid, tips, tricks, thoughts, etc. i'm a blank slate.
>
> specifics are:
> -hunqapillar + big front rack
> -SP PV-8
> -would like to have lighting and usb charging. need not be simultaneous. 
>
> thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 on the Luxos U.  I'm happy with the beam, and routinely use the USB for 
powering my GPS and phone.  If you go with a separate device for USB 
charging, you might have to incorporate a cache battery to even out the 
current.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:46:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> i bought/am buying the SP/atlas wheel that justin was selling today. never 
> used a dyno system before. battery lights always did their job. on tour, it 
> could get tricky, but i never really considered ponying up. but sometimes 
> the stars align and a good deal meets up with me having a little extra 
> cash So what do i need, what are some good resources, what should i 
> avoid, tips, tricks, thoughts, etc. i'm a blank slate.
>
> specifics are:
> -hunqapillar + big front rack
> -SP PV-8
> -would like to have lighting and usb charging. need not be simultaneous. 
>
> thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: New CLEM pic, short review

[Bill M.]

Is that the Kalloy / Dajia butterfly bar that VO and Wallbike sell?  I've 
been interested in how it would compare to an Alba.

Bill

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:03:27 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Got 'er set up now with butterfly bars, Pletscher rack, and a strange mix 
> of rear 8-speed RapidFire clickers and cheapo SunRace front friction 
> shifters. It's weird but it works!
>
> Eventually she'll get fat tires and fenders, but I'm happy with this setup 
> for now. Have I mentioned what an amazing bike the CLEM is? It rides like a 
> Gold Wing and corners like a Ducati, two things which shouldn't be possible 
> in one frame. I could ride up a dirt trail, sail down the twisty paved way, 
> then tour across country on it tomorrow with no changes save for maybe a 
> slightly meatier tire for the dirt part. Rivendell makes more expensive 
> frames with fancier details (and I love them), but I challenge anybody to 
> present that you actually need more bike than this. CLEM is a fabulous 
> bicycle!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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[RBW] The wind, for us & against us

[WETH]

Michael,
Sounds like a lovely trip.  I enjoy cycling the northern section of OBX.  You 
are right about the wind!  My first day there this past summer I had an 
unrealized tailwind until I turned around to head back.  Boy did that 
realization crush my ego!
Safe trip home.
Erl

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Big Loafer (tweed) - now discontinued

[Brian Campbell]

.32 cents and you pay shipping...

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:49:01 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I saw that this sold for $175. Missing the bungie cord on the top (stock 
> photo: 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1kb5poe74srjvy/Screenshot%202016-03-31%2008.48.37.png?dl=0
>  
> )
>
> Great condition otherwise.
>
> Make me an offer? Located in Ann Arbor, MI
>

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Re: [RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Tim Gavin]

If you want USB charging, the cheapest option is to buy the Luxos U
headlight.  Riv, Peter White, and several European sellers carry it.  I'm
very happy with the Luxos U, I have them on two bikes and convinced my
girlfriend's father to get one.

Otherwise, there are plenty of add-on USB chargers.  They're a
less-integrated but possibly more robust solution.
This article is a good resource.
http://www.cyclingabout.com/list-of-hub-dynamo-power-supplies-for-usb-devices/

A separate USB device allows you to use any headlight.  The Luxos U has a
very wide beam but it has lots of reflector artifacts (noticeable bars in
the beam).  They don't bother me but they do bother some.

Also, if you get the Luxos U, follow Riv's recommendations to mount it high
and centrally (to get the most out of its massive beam) and to protect the
backside from water coming off the tire.
On my Riv Road 650b, I mounted it to the front of a Mark's rack, shielded
by a Treetop rando bag.
On my Foundry Auger, I mounted it to the handlebar, shielded by the front
fender.

Congratulations on your new dynamo wheel!

Tim

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 5:53 AM, bo richardson  wrote:

> the peace of mind knowing if you find yourself at the base of chuckanut
> drive
> at 7 pm unexpectedly, you wont pull lights out of your bag and find them
> dead.
> or in the other bike bag.
> or swiped.
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[RBW] Re: First Rivendell, first ride, first post, New Joe Appaloosa

[Jonathan Neve]

Gorgeous! Nice build.

On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 9:04:51 AM UTC-5, 2016_joeApp wrote:
>
> Got my "Joe" on Wed. built on Fri. Went for a 20 mile ride!. All I can say 
> is Wow!!! Rides smooth as silk. My ride is a 62 never had one that big. 
> What a difference the correct size can make!!!  I'm looking forward to a 
> great summer and some major miles on the road!! Thanks for all the chatter 
> and pictures!!
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Jonathan Neve]

I agree here...I think the wording is just a little suggestive without 
taking the Atlantis into account. 

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:25:21 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I think he just took the two bikes that the Appaloosa was said to be a mix 
> of, and put famous probably in Riv's own reference to how well those two 
> models sell. Maybe just wording??
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 3:45:23 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> From the article I find the assertion kind of questionable that 
>> Rivendells "most famous two touring bikes" are the Hillborne and the 
>> Hunqapillar.  They've never heard of the Atlantis?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 11:43:10 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://theradavist.com/2016/03/jonathans-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-touring-bike/#1
>>>
>>> Looks like it's up now. I was really partial to blue, but now I want one 
>>> in the mustard color... :)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:

 I see it got shot today for the Radavist!

 Awesome. 

 -Justin



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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Jonathan Neve]

They are Specialized Fast Trak 29x2.0s set up tubeless on the stock rims. 
Just some I had laying around but they are going to be fun. I like to 
visualize my ideal touring bike as something that can get from the grocery 
store/farmer's market to some mildly techy singletrack all in the same 
day...achievement unlocked?

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> What tires are on there?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 1:41:55 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Neve wrote:
>>
>> Long time listener, first time caller. Got my Appaloosa unboxed and built 
>> yesterday afternoon. I had plenty of time to sit and ponder on what I 
>> wanted this build to look like, and enough parts kicking around or on the 
>> horizon that a few swaps from the stock build was easy. I'm over the moon 
>> about this thing.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The wind, for us & against us

[Garth]

  It's funny how you can set your mind on doing this or that activity 
in a certain place/time and without reason something better than imaginable 
"just happens" all on it's own without any planning or intent  * A 
walk on the beach* .  Priceless ! 


On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:05:52 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:

The stunning sand dunes and absolutely gorgeous beaches to walk on made the 
> trip worthwhile
>
 

> Michael, now in Chincoteague Va. and slowly meandering back to Vermont.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Centerpull Racer, Nitto R14, VP-001 Pedals, Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, Sugino crankset, shimano BB un-55

[Philip Kim]

updated on whats left

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
>
> Paul Racers brakeset, silver, great condition a lot of miles still left - 
> $160 shipped
>
> Nitto R14 (without tombstone, brand new in packaging) - $115 shipped 
> *(sold)*
>
> VP-001 Pedals (thin gripsters) in silver, brand new - $55 shipped *(sold)*
>
> Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, brand new (installed on the bike and taken off) 
> - $45 shipped
>
> Sugino XD600 triple, 44/36/26, brand new (installed on the bike and taken 
> off), 165mm - $100 shipped
>
> Shimano UN55 110mm, brand new in box- $20 shipped
>
>
> Please message me off-list, I can provide pictures as well.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Centerpull Racer, Nitto R14, VP-001 Pedals, Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, Sugino crankset, shimano BB un-55

[Philip Kim]

update on whats left

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
>
> Paul Racers brakeset, silver, great condition a lot of miles still left - 
> $160 shipped recessed bolt
>
> Nitto R14 (without tombstone, brand new in packaging) - $115 shipped (sold)
>
> VP-001 Pedals (thin gripsters) in silver, brand new - $55 shipped (sold)
>
> Dia-Compe ENE DT shifters, brand new (installed on the bike and taken off) 
> - $45 shipped
>
> Sugino XD600 triple, 44/36/26, brand new (installed on the bike and taken 
> off), 165mm - $100 shipped
>
> Shimano UN55 110mm, brand new in box- $20 shipped
>
>
> Please message me off-list, I can provide pictures as well.
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Nigel Smythe Big Loafer (tweed) - now discontinued

[Belopsky]

I saw that this sold for $175. Missing the bungie cord on the top (stock 
photo: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1kb5poe74srjvy/Screenshot%202016-03-31%2008.48.37.png?dl=0
 
)

Great condition otherwise.

Make me an offer? Located in Ann Arbor, MI

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa on the Radavist

[Philip Kim]

so bummed swift's color options are limited, that coyote pocket looks sharp.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:40:24 PM UTC-4, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> Appaloosa gets the usual high quality Radavist treatment. Makes you say, 
> "Daamn!"
>
>
> http://theradavist.com/2016/03/jonathans-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-touring-bike/#6
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Bullmoose Dirt Tourer

[Philip Kim]

I think he just took the two bikes that the Appaloosa was said to be a mix 
of, and put famous probably in Riv's own reference to how well those two 
models sell. Maybe just wording??

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 3:45:23 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> From the article I find the assertion kind of questionable that Rivendells 
> "most famous two touring bikes" are the Hillborne and the Hunqapillar. 
>  They've never heard of the Atlantis?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 11:43:10 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://theradavist.com/2016/03/jonathans-rivendell-joe-appaloosa-touring-bike/#1
>>
>> Looks like it's up now. I was really partial to blue, but now I want one 
>> in the mustard color... :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>>>
>>> I see it got shot today for the Radavist!
>>>
>>> Awesome. 
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New CLEM pic, short review

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beatiful machine, looks awesome, Joe. This photo really shows the green off 
nicely, too. But I need to request you stop referring to Clem Jr. as "'er" 
and "she." That honorific is reserved for those of us with Clementines. 
Thank you in advance.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 11:03:27 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Got 'er set up now with butterfly bars, Pletscher rack, and a strange mix 
> of rear 8-speed RapidFire clickers and cheapo SunRace front friction 
> shifters. It's weird but it works!
>
> Eventually she'll get fat tires and fenders, but I'm happy with this setup 
> for now. Have I mentioned what an amazing bike the CLEM is? It rides like a 
> Gold Wing and corners like a Ducati, two things which shouldn't be possible 
> in one frame. I could ride up a dirt trail, sail down the twisty paved way, 
> then tour across country on it tomorrow with no changes save for maybe a 
> slightly meatier tire for the dirt part. Rivendell makes more expensive 
> frames with fancier details (and I love them), but I challenge anybody to 
> present that you actually need more bike than this. CLEM is a fabulous 
> bicycle!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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[RBW] The wind, for us & against us

[Michael Hechmer]

Pat and I have been exploring the Outer Banks of NC on our tandem. For the 
first three of days in NC we explored the northern half of the Outer Banks, 
(written in NC as OBX).  The northern end of the islands is the most 
developed part, but has two big advantages  - bike lane/paths and a steady 
wind out of the north which blew us back to our inn when we tired.  On the 
third day we decided to head south to visit a lighthouse, probably less 
than 20 miles south of the inn.   We enjoyed the ride down and the site 
seeing, but the ride back into the wind was exhausting.  So on our last 
full day we decided to drive south toward Cape Hatteras and then ride 
north.  We loaded the tandem on the top of the Golf Sportwagon and headed 
out.  The drive was lovely, on a narrow road bordered by dunes along the 
national seashore.The stunning sand dunes and absolutely gorgeous 
beaches to walk on made the trip worthwhile even as the wind whipped sand 
stung our bare legs.  When we got as far as Avon, 43 miles south on the 
First Colonial Inn, we concluded that we weren’t going to find any rideable 
roads, made a U turn and headed back.

At this point we noticed that on the trip down we had averaged an amazing 
63mpg!  By the time we had returned along the same road that average had 
dropped to 52, which is a difference of 22 mpg!  You can put that in your 
powermeter and smoke it!

Michael, now in Chincoteague Va. and slowly meandering back to Vermont.

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[RBW] Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[bo richardson]

the peace of mind knowing if you find yourself at the base of chuckanut drive
at 7 pm unexpectedly, you wont pull lights out of your bag and find them dead.
or in the other bike bag.
or swiped.

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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Brian Campbell]

Check out this site for materials.

http://www.velolumino.com/

I used the thin wire they supplied and ran it inside my fender and along my 
frame by imbeding it ina bead of GOOP adhesive. It holds securely and peels 
right off if need be with no damage to the paint. I was trying to have my 
bike not covered in wires wrapped around everything.

I also used their taillight which is expensive but works and looks great. I 
used a Schmidt Edelux II headlight and it is pretty awesome. Very bright 
and very light.

Semi recent picture of my Hilsen.





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