[RBW] Re: Is it crazy to do a century with Boscos?

[Mike in WA]

I found that my Quickbeam had insufficient reach and had to convert to a 
threadless stem. The bars also wouldn't go high enough, so I used this Soma 
threaded 
to threadless adapter 

 
to get what I wanted. If you got that and whichever of the 100's of 
threadless stems available you'd be rocking on the Jones bars. I love the 
Jones bars for the position variability. The aero tuck/rest position is so 
supportive (can get my elbows on the 710's) and the climbing and standard 
positions are great as well. 

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 5:18:03 PM UTC-7, Alan Pickett wrote:
>
> The Lady Who Makes Me Pedal has started a campaign to get me to limit my 
> cigarette smoking by imposing a Soviet-style regimen of preparatory weekend 
> rides, culminating in perhaps the Amish Country Century 
>  later this summer. At the moment, I am 
> riding and liking my Bosco'd 2 top-tubed hillborne (it's a greenie, 56). We 
> are not at all go-fast people, and so far, I have managed a 50 mile outing 
> without any ill effects. It seems like I really can get down into a decent 
> resting position at the front of the bar for a little aero time, then move 
> and shift quite a bit on the bars to counter numbness, pressure, etc...
>
> Does anyone have reports or reflections after going significant 
> single-ride distances with Boscos you might be willing to share?
>
> As an aside, I was peeking at the aluminum Jones loop H-bars, and actually 
> thought these could be pretty darn comfy for an extended ride, but the 
> clamp diameter is 31.8, and I think Nitto only makes one quill stem 
>  that 
> would work for this. I'm just future-dreaming here, but has anyone ridden 
> with a Jones bar on a Riv, and if so, how did you fix it up and what were 
> your impressions?
>
> Hope all are well this fine Sunday,
> Alan in Silver Spring, MD
>
>
>

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[RBW] July Clem color and geometry.

[Kainalu]

I heard green mentioned. I've got one coming regardless, finding the mystery 
somewhat exciting. 
I envision the 65 will have straight seatstays, or maybe they'll curve outward! 
And 180+ crank length?? Could be the bottle bosses are farther apart to 
accommodate tall drinks.
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: 56cm or 58cm Atlantis

[Fred Craven]

Just to throw something into the mix. That issue about being stretched out 
is all too complicated to me. I should ride a 58 by Rivendell standards, 
but my Arms–my arms. They are just a wee too short. This slight variation 
in body proportion has made my life subtly out of proportion. Suit coats 
and shirts are always too long, the steering wheel is alway too far away, 
and so are handlebars. So...

I was delighted to buy a used custom Rivendell from Joel Stern (as seen 
here on this forum) with a "Short" top tube. Turned out to work great for 
me. Like you, I have a long torso, but my arms... IF I could lean over into 
a more aero position (like when I was 18) then it wouldn't be a problem. In 
fact I think my long torso just makes it worse because my arms have to 
start higher.

Anyway, best of luck in your decision. 

Oh, I'm 5' 10" with an 84 PBH, and a 32" sleeve length.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bruce Smitham]

Hey Stoker, that's a sweet set up and beautiful bike. It's a cross between
my Rivendell Rodeo and Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross. I'm looking forward to
going 1 X 11 within the next week.

Bruce

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 4:30 PM, stoker  wrote:

> That's a timely post! A couple of weeks ago, I updated my Riv Custom from
> a 'classic' build (friction shifting, etc.) to a 1x10. Wolf Tooth 40T
> w/Sram Rival  10 speed (12x28). I ran a 103mm BB with the Ritchey Logic
> cranks. The chainline is perfect and it has a crazy low Q. I wish I had
> done this a while ago...
>
> I also switched out the saddle to a C15. I really like it.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/107142884@N05/25519153624/in/album-72157637139677264/
>
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before.
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range.
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and
>> unnecessary, IMO.
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out.
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[stoker]

That's a timely post! A couple of weeks ago, I updated my Riv Custom from a 
'classic' build (friction shifting, etc.) to a 1x10. Wolf Tooth 40T w/Sram 
Rival  10 speed (12x28). I ran a 103mm BB with the Ritchey Logic cranks. 
The chainline is perfect and it has a crazy low Q. I wish I had done this a 
while ago...

I also switched out the saddle to a C15. I really like it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/107142884@N05/25519153624/in/album-72157637139677264/
 

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I'm using a 1x8 friction-shift drivetrain, with a 34T Wolf Tooth Drop-Stop 
chainring up front on my Clem. The 8-speed chain works just fine.

Bob E


On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 5:02:14 PM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:
>
> I'm using a 10-speed chain. IIRC, Wolf Tooth recommends using the narrower 
> 10-speed chain for a tighter fit, but 9-speed will work. 10-speed chains 
> are cheap these days (I got a Shimano XT for $20), which made the decision 
> to convert easier.
>

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[RBW] July Clem color and geometry.

[Abcyclehank]

Anyone know specifically what color or colors the next batch of Clems is going 
to be?  Possibly interested in the Jumbo 65cm one.  Anyone already check 
geometry on the new giant option.

Thanks.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] FOR SALE: Sugino Cranks, Seatpost, Rear Dyno Light

[RDS]

Ship to continental USA only.  Paypal for payment.


Sugino XD2 Wide/Low Double Crank 40 x 26 - 175mm - lightly used crank;  I 
would guess less than 100 miles on this crank - $75 free shipping (or best 
offer)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6ekZWeVNDcXpjSEU
-

Sugino XD2 Triple 46 x 36 x 24 - 175mm - lightly used crank;  I would guess 
less than 100 miles on this crank - $75 free shipping (or best offer)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6NTdrbUlfV1lnbjA
-

Busch & Müller Toplight View Plus with BrakeTec - Brand New IN BOX - 
purchased from Peter White early this year.  I think I paid around $37 or 
$39 - $30 free shipping
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6LU00SUxMcG5JZDQ

-
Nitto 83 Seatpost, 27.2, 250mm - lightly used - $65 free shipping (or best 
offer)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6U2hnRmU1dFdoTmM

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[RBW] FS Blackburn Outpost Handlebar roll/bag and cargo cages, Nitto R-14 top rack, Acorn handlebar bag, Zefal frame pump & Schwalbe Smart Sam tires

[Bruce Smitham]

For sale are a few bike items:

1.) Blackburn Outpost Handlebar Roll bag/sac (new in package) $60 plus 
shipping link to 
item: http://www.blackburndesign.com/bags/outpost-hb-roll.html#.VwrD9fkrLIU
2.) 2 Blackburn Outpost Cargo Cages (new in package) $40 plus shipping link 
to 
item: http://www.blackburndesign.com/cages/outpost-cargo-cage.html#.VwrEEvkrLIU
3.) Nitto R-14 top rack in excellent condition. Cut stays to 27cm to fit 
56cm Hillborne. Includes all hardware and stays & P-clamps $100 plus 
shipping.
4.) Acorn handlebar bag in olive. Very good condition and recently 
purchased from Drew in SF but sold the bike it was going on. $30 including 
shipping
5.) Zefal HPX No. 4 frame pump. Fits gaps 50cm-56cm. Purchased from Riv and 
in great condition $25 plus shipping
6.) 2 Schwalbe Smart Sam 700c x 35mm tires HS 367 Performance Cross/Hybrid 
Bicycle Tires - Wire Bead with less than 20 miles $35 for both plus shipping

Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskuEUDo8

Thanks,

Bruce in San Diego

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[RBW] Re: Interesting Guardian summary of the fat versus refined carb debate

[Patrick Moore]

Garth: thanks for that link; very interesting. HIs remark that the "staff
of life" has become "toxic" in the popular mind is very pertinent. BTW,
when you are not floating free, so to speak, your replies are to the point
and informative.

I've actually made that no knead bread, whole wheat, thanks to Bittman or
at least, thanks to the NYT -- which has many good recipes, btw. I just
used regular bulk yeast and not natural sour dough starter, but the recipe
does produce good bread even so -- just not with the "crumb" that I'd hope
to get from a Bob's whole wheat.

I must try it with Bob's. As it is, Bob's seems to turn even culpably
negligent technique into good bread -- very good bread: I used my "< 60
minutes from ingredients in the pantry to spreading butter" recipe the
other day, and the result was as good as anything made with it more
carefully.

Ian: The Bob's White -- the bread flour, not the pastry flour -- makes a
bread that has a wonderful "crumb" - I think that's the term -- which is
soft, yet dense; holds together when cut and doesn't crumble -- something
you can cut thin for sandwiches without the slice falling apart, which is
what even good results from, say, Pillsbury or King Arthur unbleached white
do. It's not a matter of moistness so much as the texture, and I gather
that higher gluten content is the reason why one flour makes this sort of
bread and the others don't.

The remark about the age of flour is worth remembering, so thanks for that,
too. But the "crumbly" results obtain from newly purchased flour as well as
that I've kept for weeks in the cupboard (I've taken to storing flour and
oil in the fridge).

 I wanted to know if Bob's carried a whole wheat bread flour that gives as
good results, mutatis mutandis, as their White. I should call or email them.

Bread and wine are the "matter" of Christianity's most essential sacrament
(= material manifestation of a spiritual [Wm Blake: "Is the Holy Spirit any
other than an Intellectual Fountain?"] transformation). Must look at the
Fathers. No, this is not Garthian.

Helpful hint of the day, unrelated to flour but related to RBW: Your Hoss
can carry a 12 pack of Sierra Nevada *and* a Bota Box of Malbec, with a bit
of room left over.



On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin
>
> I am by no means an anti-carb fiend, but this seems to be a good summary
> marshaling at least historical evidence against low fat, high-*refined-*carb
> diets.
>
> That said, once again, the Japanese (among many others) have not been
> noted historically for their obesity, heart problems, and brevity of life.
>
> And that said: does anyone know of a *whole wheat *equivalent of Bob's
> Red Mill bread flour? I mean by this question: has anyone personally used,
> or have second hand information from someone who has personally used, a
> whole wheat bread flour that is to ordinary whole wheat flour as Bob's Red
> Mill while bread flour is to ordinary unbleached white flour? I don't see
> any Bob's whole meal *bread* flour available online. (Bob's makes good
> bread always; regular flour doesn't produce as good results. I've taken to
> mixing white whole wheat flour into my Bob's at about a 1:3 or 4 ratio.)
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

I'm using a 10-speed chain. IIRC, Wolf Tooth recommends using the narrower 
10-speed chain for a tighter fit, but 9-speed will work. 10-speed chains 
are cheap these days (I got a Shimano XT for $20), which made the decision 
to convert easier. 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 1:32:03 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> I'm curious to know what kind of chain you're using with that Wolf Tooth - 
> a 9 or 10 speed chain, etc?  Info about that on the Wolf Tooth side is a 
> little sketchy.
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[George Schick]

I'm curious to know what kind of chain you're using with that Wolf Tooth - 
a 9 or 10 speed chain, etc?  Info about that on the Wolf Tooth side is a 
little sketchy.

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-5, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: Dyno Light, P Thumbies, Stems, Bar End Shifters, BB

[RDS]

Dirt Drop is Sold.
Soma Quill to Threadless Adapter sold
Shifters + Thumbie combo sold
Nitto Tallux 100mm Stem = PENDING SALE


On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> I ship to the continental USA Only (unless the buyer agrees to pay any 
> extra shipping costs).  Paypal for payment.
>  NOTE ON STEMS  I will admit, I am not the best when it comes to 
> measuring stem lengths, so proceed with caution
>
>
> *B Lumotec IQ Senso Plus Cyo T Light* - Brand New - Paid over $100, 
> asking $85 free shipping
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6ZFVJY3YxYW5YVVU
> 
> *Paul Thumbies 22.2 Silver* - New In Package - $50 free shipping
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6OW9xbVNmT1RTaEU
> 
> *Shimano 9 Bar End Shifters* - at least that's what I think they are - 
> $45 free shipping
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6UHg0N3NEYlBoams
> 
> *Bar End Shifter + Mount* - I'm not really sure what this is - looks like 
> Shimano Bar End Shifters mounted to something, but don't hold me to it - 
> Since I'm clueless as to what it is - Make Offer
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6eFhRU2NIcThyTHc
> 
> *Stem - Nitto Dynamic II 25.4 clamp *- I'm not the best at measuring stem 
> lengths - I believe it to be 120mm - $20 Free shipping
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6c0puOS04OWw2MU0
> 
> *Stem - Nitto Dirt Drop 10* (at least I think it's the 10 see pic) - 25.4 
> Clamp - $40 Free Shipping
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6bGRlOTVJOVY3MGM
> 
> *Stem - Nitto Tallux 100*, 25.4 - $50 free shipping or best offer
> *Stem - Nitto Tallux 120*, 25.4 - $50 free shipping or best offer
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6eU1nSUJOSXVtZHM
> 
> *Stem - Nitto Technomic 60*, 26.0 - $40 free shipping or best offer
> *Stem - Nitto Technomic 80*, 26.0 - $40 free shipping or best offer
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6dl85THpIa0NBZUE
> 
> *Soma High Rider Stem Adapter* (1" Quill to 1-1/8 Threadless) - $20 free 
> shipping
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6c0puOS04OWw2MU0
> 
> *Bottom Bracket - BBUN55 Square Taper* - Used in a failed build up; 
>  Lightly used; - Make offer
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6NUxCc0sybXNPQ1E
> 
> *Bottom Bracket - BC 1.37 X 24 Road* - It looks new and I don't recall 
> ever using it - Make offer
> See pic at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6Tm9HSkpMSG1na0U
>
> All items shipping from Georgia
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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

Assuming you're running 700X38 tires (i think I recall you posting about 
switching to Barlows...) and it's 28 front, 30 in back, that works out to a 
25.5 gear-inch low gear. On 2.3" road tires, I'm getting a 22 inch low gear 
with a 32 X 11-42 setup. I personally find that I can barely deliver enough 
power at 22 gear inches to maintain good rear traction on dirt, better off 
walking (Lowest Common Gear!) instead of going any lower than that for me. 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 7:18:40 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1x sounds intriguing but i like friction shifting.
> I might also miss fd shifting.
>
> I think it is good to have things to do with the hands to get them moving 
> and off the bars regularly.
>
> I also need a mighty low bail out gear (28x30).
> I dont know how that works out to which ratios with a 1x.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

Heck yeah! They're going to be even better with the new model now having 
boost spacing in the rear and capability to use 150mm generator front hubs. 
I don't regret being an early adopter, but that will be an awesome bike. New 
Jones Plus 

Also, I think the world needs a Grant Petersen-Jeff Jones lovechild. Lugged 
29+. 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:29:23 AM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> Every single time I see a Jones I think that it is the way to go for my 
> future MTB (after this house thing settles). They just look perfect!
>
> -Justin
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Bruce Smitham]

I'm getting ready to switch to a 1 x 11 drivetrain as well. Currently I 
have my Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross set up with Sram Apex 2 x 10 brifters 
and MTN drivetrain (42 x 28 rings) and 12/36 cassette. Works well but I 
still get a little trim issue with the FD now and then which bothers me. 
I'm going to a Shimano XT 1 x 11 MTN drivetrain (34 ring) and 11/42 
cassette. I'm just waiting on the Gevenalle (Retro shifters) to arrive 
which should work in both index and my favorite; friction mode. I'm hoping 
it will all work out and run smoothly. This is how I really wanted to set 
up my bike initially because of all the reasons mentioned in some of the 
posts as well as for ease of traveling. Simply put I just prefer to have 
one cable and RD to deal with when assembling/disassembling my bike while 
traveling. I'll provide an update when it's set up. BTW, I've set up my 
Salsa Fargo with Jones loops bars and the Schwalbe Super Moto 2.4 tires 
that Jeff recommended. It's unbelievably great at both off and on-road. I 
bought the Fargo on a deal with the understanding that I could beat it up 
and if it were lost or stolen I wouldn't feel the loss. Now I cherish it 
and love the fit. I can only imagine what a Jones Plus would be like? So if 
I'm ever in the market for a new bike, I'm definitely flying up to Oregon 
to test ride and check out some Jeff Jones bikes. 

Bruce in San Diego



On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 8:52:53 AM UTC-7, JohnS wrote:
>
> When I first got my Surly Big Dummy, I didn't have a FD which fit the seat 
> tube, so I was doing the stick for shifting thing as well. I got pretty 
> good at using my shoe for the down shift. A 1x set up makes a lot of sense 
> to me, I've been putting bikes together that way for friends and family 
> members for a few years now. I have a box of FD in the garage to prove it!
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Justin August]

Every single time I see a Jones I think that it is the way to go for my future 
MTB (after this house thing settles). They just look perfect!

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[JohnS]

When I first got my Surly Big Dummy, I didn't have a FD which fit the seat 
tube, so I was doing the stick for shifting thing as well. I got pretty 
good at using my shoe for the down shift. A 1x set up makes a lot of sense 
to me, I've been putting bikes together that way for friends and family 
members for a few years now. I have a box of FD in the garage to prove it!

JohnS


On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 11:44:25 PM UTC-4, Mike in WA wrote:

>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

True stick shifting at it's finest! Sounds like a great setup, Patrick 
(though it'd be exceedingly difficult to market). I may have come on a 
little strong in saying FD's are entirely stupid and useless, but for my 
purposes they don't make sense. I fancied the idea of bikepacking when I 
bought the Plus, but haven't actually done much of it, mostly because I 
hate riding steeps with a loaded bike. If I were to take on some serious 
bikepacking trips, I think I would just switch to a 28t front chainring for 
that purpose as another type of "manual shift". For 97% of the miles I'd 
do, 1X10 is awesome. -- Mike 

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 7:33:19 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fantastic, Mike! The 1x drive train is wondrous, isn't it?
>
> I run a hybrid of sorts on my Hunqapillar, that gives me the range of a 
> 2x9 but the simplicity of a 1x9. My outer chain ring is effectively a bash 
> guard (I never use it, as it only offers 1 gear substantially higher than 
> my middle ring.). To do this I: 
>
>- removed my front derailer
>- middle ring is a Wolf Wide Narrow 38t
>- Granny is smallest they make, (24t?)
>- hand shift front rings
>
> How does this play out in the real world? I am almost always in my middle 
> ring (38t) for all riding except bikepacking. Occasionally on long steep 
> trails unloaded I'll shift to the granny. Bikepacking, is nearly 100% in 
> the granny gear, save for mild long dirt road sections connecting sections.
>
> I love it!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:44:25 PM UTC-6, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've considered doing this with my drivetrain.  I'm using a converted 
triple so I could easily stick a 24t ring on there as an emergency "manual" 
bailout gear.  



On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:33:19 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Fantastic, Mike! The 1x drive train is wondrous, isn't it?
>
> I run a hybrid of sorts on my Hunqapillar, that gives me the range of a 
> 2x9 but the simplicity of a 1x9. My outer chain ring is effectively a bash 
> guard (I never use it, as it only offers 1 gear substantially higher than 
> my middle ring.). To do this I: 
>
>- removed my front derailer
>- middle ring is a Wolf Wide Narrow 38t
>- Granny is smallest they make, (24t?)
>- hand shift front rings
>
> How does this play out in the real world? I am almost always in my middle 
> ring (38t) for all riding except bikepacking. Occasionally on long steep 
> trails unloaded I'll shift to the granny. Bikepacking, is nearly 100% in 
> the granny gear, save for mild long dirt road sections connecting sections.
>
> I love it!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:44:25 PM UTC-6, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Mike! The 1x drive train is wondrous, isn't it?

I run a hybrid of sorts on my Hunqapillar, that gives me the range of a 2x9 
but the simplicity of a 1x9. My outer chain ring is effectively a bash 
guard (I never use it, as it only offers 1 gear substantially higher than 
my middle ring.). To do this I: 

   - removed my front derailer
   - middle ring is a Wolf Wide Narrow 38t
   - Granny is smallest they make, (24t?)
   - hand shift front rings

How does this play out in the real world? I am almost always in my middle 
ring (38t) for all riding except bikepacking. Occasionally on long steep 
trails unloaded I'll shift to the granny. Bikepacking, is nearly 100% in 
the granny gear, save for mild long dirt road sections connecting sections.

I love it!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:44:25 PM UTC-6, Mike in WA wrote:
>
>
> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>
> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
> unnecessary, IMO. 
>
> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>
> Here's the bike 
>
> Over and out. 
>
> Mike in WA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Lungimsam]

1x sounds intriguing but i like friction shifting.
I might also miss fd shifting.

I think it is good to have things to do with the hands to get them moving and 
off the bars regularly.

I also need a mighty low bail out gear (28x30).
I dont know how that works out to which ratios with a 1x.

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[RBW] Re: Interesting Guardian summary of the fat versus refined carb debate

[Belopsky]

I have been grain and processed sugar and processed food free for over 3 
months now. I feel great. 

I still make bread for my woman but do not eat it - home made bread is 
delicious, easy, and much better than anything store bought - even just the 
white bread. The best book for a home baker I have found is Peter 
Reinhart's Artisan Breads Every Day

My carb sources are fruit on days I train, otherwise I get my energy from a 
higher fat diet.

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Belopsky]

My old Surly Pugsley was 1x9 setup and I liked it. My new Pugsley is 2x10 
and it's all right, but a 1x setup is always appealing as there is less to 
jam.

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Congratulations Mike, sounds like you're happy. I seem to want and use a dirt 
low gear around here of 18-21 inches. My flawless 2x9 gives me that with a less 
expensive 9 cog cassette.

So does Big O fenders have a dedicated fender kit for the Jones Plus?

And after 10 months on mine I agree with you, this bike with two wheel sets (& 
fenders) is the proverbial One Bike that Does All.

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[RBW] Re: Interesting Guardian summary of the fat versus refined carb debate

[Garth]

  This may be of interest to you PM . 

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2014/02/toms-kitchen-100-whole-wheat-bread-doesnt-suck-and-pretty-easy



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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Ron Mc]

I have a 2 x 9 that has given me no grief whatsoever after 4000 mi, but I 
also love my Microshift thumbies 
Microshift indexing works great (Miche custom cassette)
This is my first index-shifting bike ever, but went it with after the 
success with Microshift 9-sp index bar ends on my daughter's bike.  


  

Shifting is totally mindless 

fwiw, this setup functions much like a 1x drivetrain (more accurately, two 
1x drivetrains) with 5 narrow cruising gears and 4 slightly wider climbing 
gears (narrow steps below 50 inches down to tree-climbing gears on the 25T 
granny ring).  For the big step between 42T and 25T rings, Ultegra CX70 FD 
has also functioned flawlessly, and will cover the rear range on the big 
ring with no FD adjustments.  

However, it would look great with a 1x10 and Paul crank.  

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[RBW] Re: Interesting Guardian summary of the fat versus refined carb debate

[Garth]

The suggestion was made is for 100 percent WW bread, not blends with higher 
protien white flour as I understood that is what he was already doing .  As far 
as if all this truly matters nutritionaly is a whole nother can o worms saved 
for the fishermen. 

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[Mike in WA]

I'm running the Surly OD crank with a Microshift MTN thumb shifter 
. I'm 
currently using indexed shifting, but you can switch these into friction 
mode with the turn of an allen key. The option to be able to go back to the 
retrogrouch world of friction shifting if I so choose was really attractive 
(especially if indexing starts to suck on a tour and I can't fix it). 

Very cool that you got a Jones! I'm convinced it's the one and only bike a 
human needs. I parted out my Sam and bought a second wheelset. 

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 9:26:38 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Nice! I got a Jones recently as well with a 2x9 setup which I'm happy with 
> (trigger shifters) and have had no issues with, but am thinking of a 1x9 or 
> 1x10 on my hunqapillar (or just sell the hunqapillar). What is the crank 
> you're using? Are you using indexed or friction on the shifters?
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 8:44:25 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just got back from my first proper ride with the new 1X10 drivetrain on 
>> my Jones Plus and I can say it's the best improvement I've ever made to a 
>> bike. I was having major trouble with chain drops and poor shifting on my 
>> 2X9 setup so I converted to 1X10 using a Wolf Tooth 32t ring, XT clutch 
>> derailer, the new Sunrace 11-42 cassette, and a Microshift 10-speed thumb 
>> shifter to replace my Silver shifters. The psychic liberation of not having 
>> to even think about a front derailer, gear overlap and cross-chaining made 
>> shifting a breeze and helped me to be more present in the ride. Also helps 
>> that I wasn't having to stop, don a nitrile glove and curse at my FD! I 
>> found that I lost nothing that I needed on the high gear-inch end, and I 
>> still maintained my exact same low gear from before. 
>>
>> My riding performance priorities are: 1) capable and easy to use mountain 
>> bike 2) reliable commuter 3) gravel/dirt bike with adequate gear range. 
>> This setup seems likely to nail all of those with aplomb, though I haven't 
>> had a chance to mountain bike with this rig yet. I expect that the ease and 
>> improved reliability of shifting will allow me to get better at climbing 
>> instead of just giving up when the god damn shifting doesn't work! If 
>> you're doing any riding other than road racing, I can't see how a double or 
>> triple chainring setup could be better. Front derailers are stupid and 
>> unnecessary, IMO. 
>>
>> I feel a bit like an outsider who posts off-topic too much on this list 
>> since I've ditched all of my Rivendells, but I think this type of setup 
>> really accords with the values/goals of most of you lugged steel people 
>> have. I think a Hunqapillar, Clem/Clementine, Joe, or Sam would all be 
>> awesome with a 1X10 drivetrain. I felt like a bit of a traitor going to 
>> indexed shifting, but that also might be something worth considering. With 
>> the relatively large jumps on an 11-42 cassette, I found the indexing to be 
>> quite appropriately stepped and easy to use. It's kind of nice having that 
>> solid click working for you. This is coming from someone who rode friction 
>> or fixed gears for the past 10+ years. This new-fangled Dynasys 10-speed 
>> universe is actually quite nice, I promise.
>>
>> Here's the bike 
>>
>> Over and out. 
>>
>> Mike in WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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