[RBW] Re: FS: Saddlesack, Grips, etc.

[Eric Karnes]

Saddleback still available. Virtually brand new. Price drop to $100 even 
shipped conus.

Everything else has been sold. 

Eric

On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 6:27:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> A few more things up for sale. All prices include shipping CONUS.
>
> Small Riv Saddlesack in Gray. Basically just like new. Only ridden a few 
> times. Nice bag, but I don't really need something this big. $110
>
> Riv Cork Grips. Also barely used. Have a few coats of shellac, but never 
> actually glued to a bar. $15
>
> Nitto Technomic Stem. 120mm. 25.4mm clamp diameter. Lots of marks but 
> perfectly functional. Could be buffed out with some steel wool if 
> necessary. $20
>
> Surly 42t Stainless Chainring. 110bcd. New in package. $20
>
> If you're interested or want some photos, email me off list. Thanks!
>
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

[Eric Karnes]

very nice build! i'm loving the industrial look of the roscoes. curious to 
hear how it rides...

eric



On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 12:05:53 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Looking good, I've always thought the HAR/Marks with Wald was a good 
> looking combo.  I also like the color!

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Re: [RBW] New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[lum gim fong]

Ya gotta regatta!!!

Try a sprung saddle to end the back pain if in lower back.

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Looking good, I've always thought the HAR/Marks with Wald was a good looking 
combo.  I also like the color!

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Re: [RBW] New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[Tony DeFilippo]

Gorgeous but and a great day to be out on the trail!  Congrats on the new bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

[Shawn Granton]

Patrick-

Most of the t-shirts look to be a mid weight merino. A few of them are
lighter weight, but these ones are 87% wool/13% nylon. The nylon will help
with durability issues, and it's a low enough percentage to not adversely
affect the benefits of the wool.

I've had a few Ibex tops since the dawn of this decade. One I just retired
because it was well past worn, though I used it as an undershirt, and it
was baselayer weight anyway. Another t-shirt is still going strong, though
it's been darned a bit (mostly due to other unrelated things) so it's also
an undershirt. My polo from that era has a few holes but still is good. So
I've gotten at least six years out of those shirts! Pretty good I think.

I tend to like the Ibex shirts vs Icebreaker as they seem a bit more
durable and have a less "sporty" fit than the Icebreaker stuff. Ibex is
also made (mostly) in the US, though I did see one of the shirts in the STP
sale is made in Canada. (Close enough! ;-) ) Icebreaker's stuff is made
"overseas". Icebreaker stuff tends to be cheaper than Ibex, and there's
always a few things on STP for a low price. And if you are in Portland,
there's an annual warehouse sale where things can be ridiculously cheap.

So I think if you can get a few Ibex shirts, they'll last you a bit. Of
course, washing the merino in cold water gentle cycle with a nice gentle
detergent like Kookaburra and air drying these garments help make them last.

My two cents,
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> Are those the very lightweight wool Ts? If so, how durable are they --
> that is, how well do they stand up to snagging and rubbing, and are they,
> after 12 months of regular wear, still free of snags, rips, and holes?
>
> I've blown my cycling budget for 2016 -- just bought 2 pr of the 3/4 El
> Fitos at 2/3 off -- but for 2017, I wonder if a six pack of those Ts might
> not be what I need to replace my aging cotton Ts and polo shirts.
>
> I ordered the Large El Fitos. The Rapha Randonee shorts in M are more than
> adequate, but the Ibex fit guide says the that El Fitos are tight, and I
> like my cycling bottoms roomy. We'll see.
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:39 PM, RoadieRyan  wrote:
>
>> sweet deal for Merino T's thanks for the PSA order in
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello folks-
>>>
>>>
>>> Just saw that Sierra Trading Post has gotten in A BUNCH of merino wool
>>> t-shirts from Ibex. I just ordered a few! The supplies are pretty limited,
>>> so doubt they'd last more than a few days. And most of them are about $40,
>>> though the 87% wool/13% nylon shirt is just $25!
>>>
>>>
>>> See what they have here:
>>> http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~ibex-wool-shirt/?perPage=24
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, this coupon will get you 20% off those prices and free shipping
>>> over $50. Expires midnight Mountain time tonight: KDM8637W
>>>
>>>
>>> This one will get you 25% off plus free shipping over $100. Also expires
>>> midnight tonight. KAW6880P
>>>
>>>
>>> Since Riv is out of wool t-shirts, this is a great way to pick up some
>>> nice made in the USA merino tops!
>>>
>>>
>>> yours,
>>> Shawn
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[René Sterental]

Very nice. Enjoy!

On Saturday, October 29, 2016, RoadieRyan  wrote:

> Beautiful - love the orange and the high flange front hub especially
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> After six months with the commuter SimpleOne as my only bike, I decided
>> to build up a geared bike for longer rides into the wooded areas outside of
>> Center City Philadelphia. I ended up picking up a wonderful Hilsen frame
>> from list member Charles (to whom I had previously sold my Roadeo). While
>> the old 62cm Rivs are perfect for me, I went with a 61 in case I ever want
>> my short torso to be comfortable on a drop setup. But for now it's sporting
>> sweptback bars. Build-wise, I didn't have much money to spend, so my goal
>> on this bike was to build it up for free. So every part is either (a) from
>> my existing parts bin; (b) acquired via trade; or (c) purchased with funds
>> from parts  sold here or on eBay.
>>
>> The last two weeks, I've been taking it for some long rides up into the
>> Wissahickon Park on the outskirts of Philly. And it's great! The low bottom
>> bracket makes it s stable, but still zippy. Fantastic. There are still
>> a few things I need to dial in. I was having back pain when I first started
>> riding it. Couldn't figure out why, as the reach and bar height was
>> consistent with my SimpleOne. Then I halfway through the ride today
>> realized I was riding the AHH in shoes with much thinner soles. Lowered the
>> seat a bit and that seems to have helped. I'm still on the fence about the
>> albatross bars, Ergon grips, and friction shifting. But I'll live with them
>> for a while and see if they grow on me (and to be fair, the friction
>> shifting issues are likely due to my mediocre mechanical skills).
>>
>> Anyways, it was a beautiful ride today. And my route out to the park
>> passed a major regatta on the Schuylkill River. Universities from up and
>> down the east coast were competing. So I took some water breaks to watch
>> the action. Hope all you east coasters also get some autumnal rides in this
>> weekend!
>>
>> Eric
>>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Bars, Nitto Dynamic Stem, Shimano Levers

[Frank Conway]

Bars are Nitto MOD 177 42cm.  Stem is Nitto Dynamic 10.  Brake levers are 
Shimano BL-R400.  Slight scuffs and scratches, but overall good condition.  (No 
road rash).  Please message me if interested and I can get you some.  $65 
shipped (PayPal f/f) to lower 48.

Link to pics:

https://goo.gl/photos/WMpi8AcfowRAbPSq8


Thanks,


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Bedford, NH

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Re: [RBW] Re: Since we are talking handlebars...mythbusting and are bars like saddles?

[Eric Karnes]

Hi Patrick-

For two years I was a designer and art-director at one of the big national 
ad agencies (the specific one will remain nameless here). I was downright 
miserable doing that type of work, but was planning on opening my own 
design studio in the very near future. So I suffered through with the 
knowledge that I was saving the necessary startup money. Nowadays, my 
studio does a lot of non-profit work--mostly for museums and performing 
arts organizations. It's really interesting work and I enjoy it. And when 
it's not quite as interesting, I frame it as repentance for my advertising 
days. In addition, I do a good deal of poster work for artists, 
craftspeople, and small organizations I really care about. I would 
loove to do one for Grant and the folks at Rivendell. And would happily 
design it free of charge considering all they've given me in bike-riding 
enjoyment. Oh well, maybe one day.

I'll check out the Sayers book! You're actually the second person who's 
recommended it in the last year-ish. Looks like it's time to read it.

Eric



On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 4:49:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Eric: I'd love to hear about your 2 years in advertising. I was 4+ years 
> in Public Relations, fortunately for my soul and the public, working for a 
> rural, not for profit healthcare system.
>
> Have you read Dorothy Sayers' Murder Must Advertise? Protagonist Wimsey is 
> often annoying, but the deep background in a 1930s ad agency is fun -- 
> Sayers worked in advertising herself for a while.
>
> Now I sing the praises of resume clients -- I feel rather like Sir Robin's 
> favorite minstrel:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
>
> (But I do a very good job.)
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Eric Karnes  > wrote:
>
>> The ‘best’ handlebar exist as much as the best saddle, musician, movie, 
>> or food. That is, there is no such thing as a universal best…as Patrick 
>> stated the term only has objective meaning to the person using it. And if 
>> others are like me, that even depends on what day you ask me. Or what 
>> context you are referring to. Or a hundred other variables.
>>
>>
>> As for the use of the term in the mainstream marketing of bike products, 
>> I can think of two reasons:
>>
>> 1. As an outright lie to sell more brand new, untested products (can you 
>> tell I hated my two years in advertising?). 
>>
>> 2. As a substitute for ‘wildly popular’ or ‘widely admired’ or another 
>> more accurate (but not as sexy) description. 
>>
>> And I think there are smaller outfits like Riv that use the term 
>> sincerely, but are upfront about it being their own belief.
>>
>>
>> All this to say, if you’re trying to find the right handlebar for you, I 
>> feel for you. It’s a frustrating task. To make everything easier and 
>> cheaper, we want to believe there is a best that we can just order and 
>> install and ride. But there’s no such thing. And like everything, it’s a 
>> process of trial and error. 
>>
>>
>> Ok, enough armchair philosophy. I’m going for a ride in the Wissahickon!
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

[Patrick Moore]

Are those the very lightweight wool Ts? If so, how durable are they -- that
is, how well do they stand up to snagging and rubbing, and are they, after
12 months of regular wear, still free of snags, rips, and holes?

I've blown my cycling budget for 2016 -- just bought 2 pr of the 3/4 El
Fitos at 2/3 off -- but for 2017, I wonder if a six pack of those Ts might
not be what I need to replace my aging cotton Ts and polo shirts.

I ordered the Large El Fitos. The Rapha Randonee shorts in M are more than
adequate, but the Ibex fit guide says the that El Fitos are tight, and I
like my cycling bottoms roomy. We'll see.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:39 PM, RoadieRyan  wrote:

> sweet deal for Merino T's thanks for the PSA order in
>
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:
>>
>> Hello folks-
>>
>>
>> Just saw that Sierra Trading Post has gotten in A BUNCH of merino wool
>> t-shirts from Ibex. I just ordered a few! The supplies are pretty limited,
>> so doubt they'd last more than a few days. And most of them are about $40,
>> though the 87% wool/13% nylon shirt is just $25!
>>
>>
>> See what they have here:
>> http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~ibex-wool-shirt/?perPage=24
>>
>>
>>
>> And, this coupon will get you 20% off those prices and free shipping over
>> $50. Expires midnight Mountain time tonight: KDM8637W
>>
>>
>> This one will get you 25% off plus free shipping over $100. Also expires
>> midnight tonight. KAW6880P
>>
>>
>> Since Riv is out of wool t-shirts, this is a great way to pick up some
>> nice made in the USA merino tops!
>>
>>
>> yours,
>> Shawn
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[RoadieRyan]

Beautiful - love the orange and the high flange front hub especially

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 5:36:09 PM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> After six months with the commuter SimpleOne as my only bike, I decided to 
> build up a geared bike for longer rides into the wooded areas outside of 
> Center City Philadelphia. I ended up picking up a wonderful Hilsen frame 
> from list member Charles (to whom I had previously sold my Roadeo). While 
> the old 62cm Rivs are perfect for me, I went with a 61 in case I ever want 
> my short torso to be comfortable on a drop setup. But for now it's sporting 
> sweptback bars. Build-wise, I didn't have much money to spend, so my goal 
> on this bike was to build it up for free. So every part is either (a) from 
> my existing parts bin; (b) acquired via trade; or (c) purchased with funds 
> from parts  sold here or on eBay. 
>
> The last two weeks, I've been taking it for some long rides up into the 
> Wissahickon Park on the outskirts of Philly. And it's great! The low bottom 
> bracket makes it s stable, but still zippy. Fantastic. There are still 
> a few things I need to dial in. I was having back pain when I first started 
> riding it. Couldn't figure out why, as the reach and bar height was 
> consistent with my SimpleOne. Then I halfway through the ride today 
> realized I was riding the AHH in shoes with much thinner soles. Lowered the 
> seat a bit and that seems to have helped. I'm still on the fence about the 
> albatross bars, Ergon grips, and friction shifting. But I'll live with them 
> for a while and see if they grow on me (and to be fair, the friction 
> shifting issues are likely due to my mediocre mechanical skills). 
>
> Anyways, it was a beautiful ride today. And my route out to the park 
> passed a major regatta on the Schuylkill River. Universities from up and 
> down the east coast were competing. So I took some water breaks to watch 
> the action. Hope all you east coasters also get some autumnal rides in this 
> weekend!
>
> Eric
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa and Thursday Night Football

[RoadieRyan]

Ryan's got to represent!

On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 1:56:44 PM UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> This was not a Ryan only post but what is the probability that all 3 of us 
> are Riv loving Ryans.

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[RBW] Re: OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

[RoadieRyan]

sweet deal for Merino T's thanks for the PSA order in

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
> Hello folks-
>
>
> Just saw that Sierra Trading Post has gotten in A BUNCH of merino wool 
> t-shirts from Ibex. I just ordered a few! The supplies are pretty limited, 
> so doubt they'd last more than a few days. And most of them are about $40, 
> though the 87% wool/13% nylon shirt is just $25!
>
>
> See what they have here:
> http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~ibex-wool-shirt/?perPage=24
>
>
>
> And, this coupon will get you 20% off those prices and free shipping over 
> $50. Expires midnight Mountain time tonight: KDM8637W
>
>
> This one will get you 25% off plus free shipping over $100. Also expires 
> midnight tonight. KAW6880P
>
>
> Since Riv is out of wool t-shirts, this is a great way to pick up some 
> nice made in the USA merino tops!
>
>
> yours,
> Shawn
>

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[RBW] Schwalbe Smart Sam 29 x 2.1 on Clem Smith / Clementine 59 cm

[David Banzer]

Yep. Lots of space. I fit fenders with 2.1" Smart Sams.

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[RBW] Schwalbe Smart Sam 29 x 2.1 on Clem Smith / Clementine 59 cm

[Big Clem]

Has anyone tried this combination? Is there adequate clearance fore and 
aft? 

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: It's officially winter in Tel Aviv

[Patrick Moore]

Kudos! I must try that recipe. I just ordered a cheap, used copy of
Leader's book from Amazon.

I've never made my own starter; must start -- pun intended.

Funny, my results with King Arthur have been much less impressive than with
Red Mill.



On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv 
wrote:

> That's mine, Paris style pain au levian adapted from the recipe in Daniel
> Leader's Local Breads.
> I use a 50 / 50 combination of plain white flour from the supermarket and
> a 90% whole stone ground organic flour that a friend buys in bulk from some
> guy in Jerusalem.
> I really like King Arhtur's white wheat flour when I'm in the US. I've
> been know to bring my starter with me on longer trips. New England white
> bread doesn't do it for me.
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 7:51:46 PM UTC+3, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> But it's a nice bread pic! Did you make it?
>>
>> Another tangent: the best readily available (ie, in your grocery store or
>> nearby) bread flour I've found is Red Mill white; wish I could find high
>> gluten N Dakota whole wheat bread flour. Any ideas?
>>
>> (Other "bread flours" I've used aren't worth the premium in cost compared
>> to the quality of the result; King Arthur gives me the same results as bulk
>> non-bleached all purpose.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bread pic was an accident. This is the one I meant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 7:25:14 PM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

 I got caught in the first rainstorm of the season coming home from work
 Thursday, so the fenders went back on the Sam today. And we change the
 clocks tonight so that's really it.
 I was hoping the dyno wheel I ordered would get here in time to do all
 my winterizing at once but it was not to be.
 OTOH the sea was pretty flat this morning so I went kayaking with my
 wife for the second Saturday in a row. Quiet before the storm - 2.5 meters
 forecast for later in the week.

 Jay


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[RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

[Pondero]

Sublime. Nice touch with the brown cable housing. I'd be interested to hear 
your thoughts on the shifter choice. I was sort of hoping you'd pick that 
option so I could see it.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Since we are talking handlebars...mythbusting and are bars like saddles?

[Patrick Moore]

Eric: I'd love to hear about your 2 years in advertising. I was 4+ years in
Public Relations, fortunately for my soul and the public, working for a
rural, not for profit healthcare system.

Have you read Dorothy Sayers' Murder Must Advertise? Protagonist Wimsey is
often annoying, but the deep background in a 1930s ad agency is fun --
Sayers worked in advertising herself for a while.

Now I sing the praises of resume clients -- I feel rather like Sir Robin's
favorite minstrel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8

(But I do a very good job.)

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Eric Karnes  wrote:

> The ‘best’ handlebar exist as much as the best saddle, musician, movie, or
> food. That is, there is no such thing as a universal best…as Patrick stated
> the term only has objective meaning to the person using it. And if others
> are like me, that even depends on what day you ask me. Or what context you
> are referring to. Or a hundred other variables.
>
>
> As for the use of the term in the mainstream marketing of bike products, I
> can think of two reasons:
>
> 1. As an outright lie to sell more brand new, untested products (can you
> tell I hated my two years in advertising?).
>
> 2. As a substitute for ‘wildly popular’ or ‘widely admired’ or another
> more accurate (but not as sexy) description.
>
> And I think there are smaller outfits like Riv that use the term
> sincerely, but are upfront about it being their own belief.
>
>
> All this to say, if you’re trying to find the right handlebar for you, I
> feel for you. It’s a frustrating task. To make everything easier and
> cheaper, we want to believe there is a best that we can just order and
> install and ride. But there’s no such thing. And like everything, it’s a
> process of trial and error.
>
>
> Ok, enough armchair philosophy. I’m going for a ride in the Wissahickon!
>
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Sky Coulter]

Wayne,

I feel pretty much exactly the same. I just can't justify a 4th riv w so much 
overlap w bikes i already have.

But it looks fantastic.

Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Saddlebag Grip

[Michael Ullmer]

Bump!

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 5:43:37 PM UTC-7, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
> Cross-post from i-Bob list:
>
> Nitto Saddlebag Grip - $65 shipped CONUS
>
> Your standard saddlebag grip as seen on Rivs website. It shows a little 
> wear but includes all hardware. I added a leather handle that made it 
> easier to use when off the bike. You can take this off if you want, I just 
> left it on in case the next person found it helpful.
>
> Pics here: https://goo.gl/photos/pde1R8vZa4DJ2mgK8
>
> PM me off-list, thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot build in progress

[RonaTD]

More photos at the Flickr album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271
 
> What about from the headlight to the downtube how do you get it to the 
> downtube?
In this photo
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/30555685791/in/album-72157674363540271/
you can see the light wires taped to the front rack strut. The headlight wire 
winds down the fork to the hub. The tail light wire runs up the back of the 
fork blade and is secured to the bottom of the head tube with a zip tie.

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Re: [RBW] Re: It's officially winter in Tel Aviv

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

That's mine, Paris style pain au levian adapted from the recipe in Daniel 
Leader's Local Breads.
I use a 50 / 50 combination of plain white flour from the supermarket and a 
90% whole stone ground organic flour that a friend buys in bulk from some 
guy in Jerusalem.
I really like King Arhtur's white wheat flour when I'm in the US. I've been 
know to bring my starter with me on longer trips. New England white bread 
doesn't do it for me.

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 7:51:46 PM UTC+3, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> But it's a nice bread pic! Did you make it?
>
> Another tangent: the best readily available (ie, in your grocery store or 
> nearby) bread flour I've found is Red Mill white; wish I could find high 
> gluten N Dakota whole wheat bread flour. Any ideas?
>
> (Other "bread flours" I've used aren't worth the premium in cost compared 
> to the quality of the result; King Arthur gives me the same results as bulk 
> non-bleached all purpose.)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv  > wrote:
>
>> Bread pic was an accident. This is the one I meant.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 7:25:14 PM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> I got caught in the first rainstorm of the season coming home from work 
>>> Thursday, so the fenders went back on the Sam today. And we change the 
>>> clocks tonight so that's really it.
>>> I was hoping the dyno wheel I ordered would get here in time to do all 
>>> my winterizing at once but it was not to be.
>>> OTOH the sea was pretty flat this morning so I went kayaking with my 
>>> wife for the second Saturday in a row. Quiet before the storm - 2.5 meters 
>>> forecast for later in the week. 
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>
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>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
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[RBW] Re: Since we are talking handlebars...mythbusting and are bars like saddles?

[Eric Karnes]

The ‘best’ handlebar exist as much as the best saddle, musician, movie, or 
food. That is, there is no such thing as a universal best…as Patrick stated 
the term only has objective meaning to the person using it. And if others 
are like me, that even depends on what day you ask me. Or what context you 
are referring to. Or a hundred other variables.


As for the use of the term in the mainstream marketing of bike products, I 
can think of two reasons:

1. As an outright lie to sell more brand new, untested products (can you 
tell I hated my two years in advertising?). 

2. As a substitute for ‘wildly popular’ or ‘widely admired’ or another more 
accurate (but not as sexy) description. 

And I think there are smaller outfits like Riv that use the term sincerely, 
but are upfront about it being their own belief.


All this to say, if you’re trying to find the right handlebar for you, I 
feel for you. It’s a frustrating task. To make everything easier and 
cheaper, we want to believe there is a best that we can just order and 
install and ride. But there’s no such thing. And like everything, it’s a 
process of trial and error. 


Ok, enough armchair philosophy. I’m going for a ride in the Wissahickon!


Eric

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 1:05:57 PM UTC-4, Trenker wrote:
>
> " Is there such a thing as the "best bar"? "
>
> " *the "best" is whatever works for you, the rider."*
>
> I agree with this sentiment. How can a handlebar on its own be 
> "comfortable", or not comfortable? It is a non-moving piece of metal. 
>
> It depends on your setup and how your bike fits, on how you ride, the 
> cadence you pedal, the route you are riding, and even your fitness and 
> skill on the bike. 
>
> For an individual it can be more measurable than "personal preference," 
> for example if you find a bar that results in less hand pain and less 
> numbness...but I think it is almost meaningless to state that a given 
> handlebar is "comfortable" in and of itself. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Since we are talking handlebars...mythbusting and are bars like saddles?

[Trenker]

" Is there such a thing as the "best bar"? "

" *the "best" is whatever works for you, the rider."*

I agree with this sentiment. How can a handlebar on its own be 
"comfortable", or not comfortable? It is a non-moving piece of metal. 

It depends on your setup and how your bike fits, on how you ride, the 
cadence you pedal, the route you are riding, and even your fitness and 
skill on the bike. 

For an individual it can be more measurable than "personal preference," for 
example if you find a bar that results in less hand pain and less 
numbness...but I think it is almost meaningless to state that a given 
handlebar is "comfortable" in and of itself. 







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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Wayne Naha]

Wow, I really love that blue 58cm Rosco Road model.   Everything about that 
bike just seems ideal to me.  It looks like it would be great fun to ride 
around.  Since it has a Quickbeam fork, I would build it up as a single 
speed.  Just for fun.

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 6:56:30 PM UTC-4, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: It's officially winter in Tel Aviv

[Patrick Moore]

But it's a nice bread pic! Did you make it?

Another tangent: the best readily available (ie, in your grocery store or
nearby) bread flour I've found is Red Mill white; wish I could find high
gluten N Dakota whole wheat bread flour. Any ideas?

(Other "bread flours" I've used aren't worth the premium in cost compared
to the quality of the result; King Arthur gives me the same results as bulk
non-bleached all purpose.)



On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv 
wrote:

> Bread pic was an accident. This is the one I meant.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 7:25:14 PM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I got caught in the first rainstorm of the season coming home from work
>> Thursday, so the fenders went back on the Sam today. And we change the
>> clocks tonight so that's really it.
>> I was hoping the dyno wheel I ordered would get here in time to do all my
>> winterizing at once but it was not to be.
>> OTOH the sea was pretty flat this morning so I went kayaking with my wife
>> for the second Saturday in a row. Quiet before the storm - 2.5 meters
>> forecast for later in the week.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

[Patrick Moore]

Shoot, missed the additional 20%, but did get free shipping.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 7:22 AM, islaysteve  wrote:

> Thanks Jay!  I just ordered the 3/4 Fito tights from Ibex.  L and XL sizes
> left.  Cheers, Steve
>
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 3:32:38 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> And the 3/4 Fito tights are still $50 on the ibex webite. $40 with the
>> extra 20% they are offering right now.
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[RBW] Re: It's officially winter in Tel Aviv

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

And for some reason the bike is upside down. 

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 7:25:14 PM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I got caught in the first rainstorm of the season coming home from work 
> Thursday, so the fenders went back on the Sam today. And we change the 
> clocks tonight so that's really it.
> I was hoping the dyno wheel I ordered would get here in time to do all my 
> winterizing at once but it was not to be.
> OTOH the sea was pretty flat this morning so I went kayaking with my wife 
> for the second Saturday in a row. Quiet before the storm - 2.5 meters 
> forecast for later in the week. 
>
> Jay
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot build in progress

[lum gim fong]

What about from the headlight to the downtube how do you get it to the downtube?

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v2 has landed!

[Jeff Lesperance]

Had a few minutes to tidy things up a bit and go for a brief ride...

The Choco bars feel a touch narrow to me and the front end feels almost
squirrelly compared to my other current rides. I'm thinking about mounting
sideways road levers as done on mustache bars. I ended up opting for the
silver shifters on thumbies, as bar ends won't work with my chosen ergon
grips without some filing or odd grip positioning. I also installed the
longer 130-ish stem I had vs. the initial 80-ish stem.

Here's a few shots of the initial build - still to come are cream longboard
fenders and the hub area rack. At some point I need to put a standard pull
rear derailleur on as the only RD I had in stock to install is a reverse
pull and it makes me crazy to have to think about my shifting.

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On Saturday, October 29, 2016, Jeff Lesperance 
wrote:

> Ack... I sold my Hilsen, not the Hillborne, dang Riv names. I've
> progressed in building but not finished yet, though I expect it at least to
> be rideable at some point this weekend. I'm stuck on shifter selection at
> this point, options are:
>
> 1. Silver shifters on Paul thumbies
> 2. Silver shifters on bar end pods
> 3. Sunrace clicky thumb shifters
>
> I was set to go with the Sunrace installed upside-down under the Ergon
> grip I'm using on the choco norm bar... but then I remembered I wanted the
> Sunrace shifters for my Troll. I've always loved bar end shifters, and did
> run them on my albatross'd Big Dummy cargo bike several years ago without
> issue, but I've heard observations about bar end shifters gettin' in the
> way on pulled back bars such as albatross and choco bars It's pretty
> easy to put the silver/paul config in place, but they take up a lot of bar
> real estate, being a long lever, and I want to leave as much of the choco
> bar available for multiple hand positions.
>
> I have two stem lengths to play with - I think an 80-ish and 130-ish - I
> have the shorter stem installed now, and I'll see how that goes with this
> long pull back bars.
>
> Anyhow - ride expectations: I've owned a Hilsen and a Romulus, and still
> own a Hillborne. I'm a huge fan of drop bars, Noodles are my favorite, and
> I tend to set them up with long-ish reach and at or a tiny bit above saddle
> height. My non-drop bar bikes right now are a Breezer beltway commuter with
> Soma Eagle bar set with longer reach and at saddle height, and a Surly
> Troll with flat bar set at saddle height... so - I'm not sure what to
> expect. I did transport my kids on a Surly Big Dummy a few years back, and
> that was the last bike I had that had a pull-back handlebar set above
> saddle height - I expect a similar feel with the Rosco, without the super
> long tail.
>
> I do intend to put low rider racks (hub area rack) with hub area bags, and
> likely a Marks rack with small Wald basket. Generally speaking, with the
> handlebars and positioning I've been favoring over the past few years, I've
> not enjoyed riding with a basket or rando bag or anything attached to my
> bar that's capable of carrying more than my wallet, cell phone and small
> snack. I just don't love the handling. I expect the Rosco geometry mated
> with the choco bars will work better with a high front load - though I'm
> ready to just work with the HAR/HAB combo, no basket.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Pondero  wrote:
>
>> Congrats, Jeff!  What a fun looking bike.
>>
>> Wait a minute...you sold the Hillborne?
>>
>> Please post updates when you can.
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
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Re: [RBW] FS: Ramboullet Orange Creamsicle 64 cm F/BB/fork/hs

[Alan LaVine,]

Yes, that,s correct. It's the Riv measurement, C-T.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:20 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
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> 60cm top tube would make it a 64cm frame/seat tube size, right?  Not asking 
> for me, but figured others may need to know.  Good luck with sale.
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[RBW] FS: Ramboullet Orange Creamsicle 64 cm F/BB/fork/hs

[iamkeith]

60cm top tube would make it a 64cm frame/seat tube size, right?  Not asking for 
me, but figured others may need to know.  Good luck with sale.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot build in progress

[RonaTD]

> How did you run that wire to the tailight?

The wire runs under the down tube, under the bottom bracket and up the back 
side of the seat tube. Just above the lateral tube junction it runs over to the 
seat stay bridge. Black electrical tape and black zip ties are used to secure 
it. Long term, the more elegant solution will be a fender-mounted light, then 
running the wire from under the bottom bracket to the fender, then inside the 
fender to the light.

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[RBW] Re: OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

[islaysteve]

Thanks Jay!  I just ordered the 3/4 Fito tights from Ibex.  L and XL sizes 
left.  Cheers, Steve


On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 3:32:38 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
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> And the 3/4 Fito tights are still $50 on the ibex webite. $40 with the 
> extra 20% they are offering right now.

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Re: [RBW] Rosco v2 has landed!

[Jeff Lesperance]

Ack... I sold my Hilsen, not the Hillborne, dang Riv names. I've progressed
in building but not finished yet, though I expect it at least to be
rideable at some point this weekend. I'm stuck on shifter selection at this
point, options are:

1. Silver shifters on Paul thumbies
2. Silver shifters on bar end pods
3. Sunrace clicky thumb shifters

I was set to go with the Sunrace installed upside-down under the Ergon grip
I'm using on the choco norm bar... but then I remembered I wanted the
Sunrace shifters for my Troll. I've always loved bar end shifters, and did
run them on my albatross'd Big Dummy cargo bike several years ago without
issue, but I've heard observations about bar end shifters gettin' in the
way on pulled back bars such as albatross and choco bars It's pretty
easy to put the silver/paul config in place, but they take up a lot of bar
real estate, being a long lever, and I want to leave as much of the choco
bar available for multiple hand positions.

I have two stem lengths to play with - I think an 80-ish and 130-ish - I
have the shorter stem installed now, and I'll see how that goes with this
long pull back bars.

Anyhow - ride expectations: I've owned a Hilsen and a Romulus, and still
own a Hillborne. I'm a huge fan of drop bars, Noodles are my favorite, and
I tend to set them up with long-ish reach and at or a tiny bit above saddle
height. My non-drop bar bikes right now are a Breezer beltway commuter with
Soma Eagle bar set with longer reach and at saddle height, and a Surly
Troll with flat bar set at saddle height... so - I'm not sure what to
expect. I did transport my kids on a Surly Big Dummy a few years back, and
that was the last bike I had that had a pull-back handlebar set above
saddle height - I expect a similar feel with the Rosco, without the super
long tail.

I do intend to put low rider racks (hub area rack) with hub area bags, and
likely a Marks rack with small Wald basket. Generally speaking, with the
handlebars and positioning I've been favoring over the past few years, I've
not enjoyed riding with a basket or rando bag or anything attached to my
bar that's capable of carrying more than my wallet, cell phone and small
snack. I just don't love the handling. I expect the Rosco geometry mated
with the choco bars will work better with a high front load - though I'm
ready to just work with the HAR/HAB combo, no basket.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Pondero  wrote:

> Congrats, Jeff!  What a fun looking bike.
>
> Wait a minute...you sold the Hillborne?
>
> Please post updates when you can.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Rosco v2 has landed!

[Pondero]

Congrats, Jeff!  What a fun looking bike.

Wait a minute...you sold the Hillborne?

Please post updates when you can.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Since we are talking handlebars...mythbusting and are bars like saddles?

[lum gim fong]

#2 is no joke

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[RBW] FS: Ramboullet Orange Creamsicle 64 cm F/BB/fork/hs

[alan lavine]

Hi All,
Last posting before eBay.  Serial # RB 038 with 60 cm TT.  Usual minor 
scratches.  Decal is missing from one side of ST, and partially damaged on 
the other side.  I had it set up as a 650b conversion with plenty of 
clearance for 42's. Bonus gift for local pickup!

Asking $750.
Thanks,
Alan Lavine
NYC

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Re: [RBW] Since we are talking handlebars...mythbusting and are bars like saddles?

[Patrick Moore]

"Best" is always "best for me" but different people with similar riding
conditions often prefer similar things -- eg, leather (as opposed to
leather covered) saddles for very long distance riders. There's a reason
rando bars rise at the ramps.

#2: you are joking, right?



On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:10 PM, lum gim fong 
wrote:

> Is there such a thing as the "best bar"?
>
> Compass touts theirs as the best Rando bar.
> The Noodle is celebrated worldwide.
> Others swear by their carbon bars.
>
> But is there really such a thing as the "best" bar?
>
> *1. Or do you think it is too personal a contact point that any one bar
> can be the "best"? Like saddles...the "best" is whatever works for you, the
> rider.*
>
> I guess best means perfect in comfort, no matter the distance. No pain.
> All comfort and perfect, hand-fitting, bends for you.
>
> Also:
> *2. I was told that the radical curves of Rando and Noodle bars weren't
> intended to make more generous curves for your hands, but just that no one
> had the technology to bend bars sharp enough for a 90 degree angle back in
> the day, thus the Jackie Robinson pre-turn, outward curve of those rando
> bar models before the dive into the turn.*
> *T or F?*
>
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[RBW] OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

And the 3/4 Fito tights are still $50 on the ibex webite. $40 with the extra 
20% they are offering right now.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[olofstroh]

The Silver Bullet lever - always finds the right gear.

Pardon

Olof Stroh
Uppsala Sweden

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Elect your next cog with the amazing "Silver Ballot Lever"!

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