[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Matt B.]

I'm pretty sure all runs of QBs had RC-03 crowns.  The AHH also uses that 
crown, and on that bike 40 might be the max you can go, but I think the 
limitation there is from sidepulls not the fork clearance itself.  On the 
cantilevered QB you can easily fit a 45mm tire, maybe up to 50 without 
fenders. 


On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 9:29:24 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Is anybody well versed or familiar with the crowns used on these two 
> bikes?  Particularly regarding the differences between them, and their 
> relative tire clearances?
>
> The  recent Reader, #44, included a description of Riv's various, current 
>  fork crowns (RC-02  through the new, Appaloosa-style RC-06) but it doesn't 
> really answer my question. 
>
> I have a first-run QB, the crown of which looks like the one at the 
> following link (and also matches my Rambouillet).  But it isn't even shown 
> in the Reader article.  Perhaps it's a RC-01?  Or is it the RC-02, which is 
> listed as the Roadeo crown and therefore the narrowest possible option? :
>
> original QB crown 
> 
>
> Meanwhile, later QBs and, presumably S.O.s had crowns that looked like the 
> one at the following link.  It's hard to tell from photos whether this is 
> an RC03 or an RC04, though I'm guessing the former.  Both have the little 
> scroll detail with three dots above:
>
> Later Quickbeam crown 
> 
>
> My main question is whether or not the later QB/SO crowns had 
> significantly more clearance than the earlier ones.  My reason for asking 
> is because the Rosco #5 is said to be built around a surplus Quickbeam / 
> Simple One fork, and I'm trying to figure out what that means in terms of 
> real world tire clearance.  It is the later of the two above styles, and 
> the bike's listed as having a max tire clearance of 40mm (though I suspect 
> that's a typo and it really meant to say 44 or 45). But is this the 
> conservative dimension Riv is required to cite as a manufacturer, or does 
> it jive with what QB/SO owners have been able to do?
>
> Though I'm at the upper end of the fit spectrum, #5 is the first Rosco 
> that's looked like it will fit me, but I'm trying to figure out if it's 
> something I'd use.  My QB  is the most comfortable bike I own, but I rarely 
> ride it precisely because it is limited to such narrow tires.   If  #5 
> doesn't improve on that significantly, then it's likely just too much 
> overlap and redundancy.  #5 also shares the same, steepish 72 seat tube / 
> 72.5 headtube angles with the QB (which I suppose is why they describe it 
> as "roadish"), has horizontal dropouts, and is bright green. 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[Wally Estrella]

X2 *"Beautiful - love the orange and the high flange front hub especially*"

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 8:45:10 PM UTC-4, RoadieRyan wrote:
>
> Beautiful - love the orange and the high flange front hub especially
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Conway Bennett]

I have the original green run QB and I run resist nomads which are listed at 
700 X 45 with space to spare.  Probably not enough for fenders but plenty of 
mud clearance if you're into that sort of thing.  This winter I'll be running 
vee rubber 12s listed at 700 X 1.75, sans fenders.

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[RBW] Bicycle Quarterly charity drive

[Jan Heine]

If you have been thinking about subscribing to Bicycle Quarterly or buying 
back issues, now is a good time – and do a good deed at the same time. For 
the next 24 hours, Bicycle Quarterly will donate 50% of all subscription 
and back issue sales to Doctors Without Borders. More details on the blog at

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[RBW] Re: New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[RichS]

Eric, your AHH is gorgeous! Could it be the back pain you experienced was 
partly a result of the downtube shifter setup? Looks like a fair reach from 
the bars to the shift lever. 

Are my eyes deceiving me or is that a threadless steerer? Just curious. I 
don't recall seeing many Hilsen's going the threadless route.

Enjoy your fall rides!
Richard

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 8:36:09 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> After six months with the commuter SimpleOne as my only bike, I decided to 
> build up a geared bike for longer rides into the wooded areas outside of 
> Center City Philadelphia. I ended up picking up a wonderful Hilsen frame 
> from list member Charles (to whom I had previously sold my Roadeo). While 
> the old 62cm Rivs are perfect for me, I went with a 61 in case I ever want 
> my short torso to be comfortable on a drop setup. But for now it's sporting 
> sweptback bars. Build-wise, I didn't have much money to spend, so my goal 
> on this bike was to build it up for free. So every part is either (a) from 
> my existing parts bin; (b) acquired via trade; or (c) purchased with funds 
> from parts  sold here or on eBay. 
>
> The last two weeks, I've been taking it for some long rides up into the 
> Wissahickon Park on the outskirts of Philly. And it's great! The low bottom 
> bracket makes it s stable, but still zippy. Fantastic. There are still 
> a few things I need to dial in. I was having back pain when I first started 
> riding it. Couldn't figure out why, as the reach and bar height was 
> consistent with my SimpleOne. Then I halfway through the ride today 
> realized I was riding the AHH in shoes with much thinner soles. Lowered the 
> seat a bit and that seems to have helped. I'm still on the fence about the 
> albatross bars, Ergon grips, and friction shifting. But I'll live with them 
> for a while and see if they grow on me (and to be fair, the friction 
> shifting issues are likely due to my mediocre mechanical skills). 
>
> Anyways, it was a beautiful ride today. And my route out to the park 
> passed a major regatta on the Schuylkill River. Universities from up and 
> down the east coast were competing. So I took some water breaks to watch 
> the action. Hope all you east coasters also get some autumnal rides in this 
> weekend!
>
> Eric
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[Brian Campbell]

Great bike! As a fellow AHH owner who rides through the Wissahickon 
regularly, I  would not feel bad if the upright bars don't work for you. 
They don't work for me either. I have tried all sorts of alternate bars but 
always end up back at 46cm Noodle bar. 

I think you have to try different things to see if they work for you but 
not feel that there is only one correct way. If it were me, I would ditch 
the handlebars and the friction shifting if you don't like them. It does 
not take very long to know if something is working for you or not. No point 
in trying to put that square peg in the round hole

I prefer indexed,(10sp) downtube shifting on my bike. I cracked 3 vertebrae 
back in 2008, in a sledding accident with my kids. Having to reach down, 
change my position and adjust my weight, all helps to relieve back pain on 
longer rides in my experience. Sitting in essentially one position for an 
extended period, rarely helps my back feel better.

BTW, my brother who lives in the area just picked up a used Romulus off 
this list. We should get together for a RIv. ride in the near future.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot build in progress

[Ryan Fleming]

Be interested to see how those Choco Norms work out on the Cheviot...my 
custom mixte is going to have those bars flipped down like yours...usually 
I'm a moustache bar rider but Grant recommended first the Bosco bars...no 
not for me, and then these Choco bars which I went with to duplicate my 
current riding position as closely as possible...we'll see. I like the 
looks of your Cheviot build...nice!

On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:30:32 PM UTC-5, RonaTD wrote:
>
> More photos at the Flickr album:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271
>  
> > What about from the headlight to the downtube how do you get it to the 
> downtube?
> In this photo
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/30555685791/in/album-72157674363540271/
> you can see the light wires taped to the front rack strut. The headlight 
> wire winds down the fork to the hub. The tail light wire runs up the back 
> of the fork blade and is secured to the bottom of the head tube with a zip 
> tie.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Minh]

at some point, someone posted a pic of their green quickbeam with big 
apples (50mm i believe), but the clearances were tight.

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 8:57:21 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I have the original green run QB and I run resist nomads which are listed 
> at 700 X 45 with space to spare.  Probably not enough for fenders but 
> plenty of mud clearance if you're into that sort of thing.  This winter 
> I'll be running vee rubber 12s listed at 700 X 1.75, sans fenders.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Quarterly charity drive

[Tim Butterfield]

Jan,

I having been thinking about this for quite a while and would really love
to subscribe and maybe even buy some back issues, but I need a digital
format issue from Zinio, Amazon, or some other digital magazine service.  I
just don't have room for archiving paper copies to allow looking things up
again in the future.  I view paper periodicals as discardable and I don't
want to do that with BQ.

Please create a digital version.

Thanks.

Tim

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> the next 24 hours, Bicycle Quarterly will donate 50% of all subscription
> and back issue sales to Doctors Without Borders. More details on the blog at
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2016/10/31/bicycle-quarterly-
> charity-drive-3/
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Jim M.]

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 9:32:15 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>
> at some point, someone posted a pic of their green quickbeam with big 
> apples (50mm i believe), but the clearances were tight.
>
>>
>>
I posted my orange QB with Big Apple 50's:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717129/in/dateposted-public/

jim m
wc, ca

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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-6, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I have the original green run QB and I run resist nomads which are listed 
> at 700 X 45 with space to spare.  Probably not enough for fenders but 
> plenty of mud clearance if you're into that sort of thing.  This winter 
> I'll be running vee rubber 12s listed at 700 X 1.75, sans fenders.


We, that's consistent with my experience, which would make sense.  At least 
a tire that is "labeled" 45 works.  The rear tire actually gives me more 
trouble than the front, but I assume that wouldn't be the case with Rosco 
#5, given that it doesn't have the QB's short chainstays and narrow 
spacing. 

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 2:12:24 AM UTC-6, Matt B. wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure all runs of QBs had RC-03 crowns.  The AHH also uses that 
> crown, and on that bike 40 might be the max you can go, but I think the 
> limitation there is from sidepulls not the fork clearance itself.  On the 
> cantilevered QB you can easily fit a 45mm tire, maybe up to 50 without 
> fenders. 
>

I think you meant "all Simple Ones have the same crown" right?  The two 
crowns I linked to above are both Quickbeams, and definitely differ from 
each other.   The later (silver) one looks like the Simple ones which, you 
are probably right, must be a RC-03.  And that may indeed be able to take a 
50mm tire?!   The Reader article says it's the Sam crown, but then says 
that the wider RC-04 is "maybe" the Sam crown.   50mm, if realistic, starts 
to change the equation and could almost work.  I know that people have 
successfully run 50s on a Sam, but had to deflate to get the tires past the 
brake pads.   Wish I knew for sure which crown was used.

Here's a Simple One crown, which matches the #5 crown and later QBs:

Simple One crown 


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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

Interesting.  THAT's the older crown, too.   I haven't tried anything that 
big.   Definitely tight, but encouraging again, if the newer crown is even 
wider.   I can't think of why else they would have made the substitution, 
if it didn't gain something like clearance.

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 10:54:21 AM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 9:32:15 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>>
>> at some point, someone posted a pic of their green quickbeam with big 
>> apples (50mm i believe), but the clearances were tight.
>>
>>>
>>>
> I posted my orange QB with Big Apple 50's:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/3447717129/in/dateposted-public/
>
> jim m
> wc, ca
>

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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-6, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I have the original green run QB and I run resist nomads which are listed 
> at 700 X 45 with space to spare.  Probably not enough for fenders but 
> plenty of mud clearance if you're into that sort of thing.  This winter 
> I'll be running vee rubber 12s listed at 700 X 1.75, sans fenders.


We, that's consistent with my experience, which would make sense.  At least 
a tire that is "labeled" 45 works.  The rear tire actually gives me more 
trouble than the front, but I assume that wouldn't be the case with Rosco 
#5, given that it doesn't have the QB's short chainstays and narrow 
spacing. 

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 2:12:24 AM UTC-6, Matt B. wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure all runs of QBs had RC-03 crowns.  The AHH also uses that 
> crown, and on that bike 40 might be the max you can go, but I think the 
> limitation there is from sidepulls not the fork clearance itself.  On the 
> cantilevered QB you can easily fit a 45mm tire, maybe up to 50 without 
> fenders. 
>

I think you meant "all Simple Ones have the same crown" right?  The two 
crowns I linked to above are both Quickbeams, and definitely differ from 
each other.   The later (silver) one looks like the Simple ones which, you 
are probably right, must be a RC-03.  And that may indeed be able to take a 
50mm tire?!   The Reader article says it's the Sam crown, but then says 
that the wider RC-04 is "maybe" the Sam crown.   50mm, if realistic, starts 
to change the equation and could almost work.  I know that people have 
successfully run 50s on a Sam, but had to deflate to get the tires past the 
brake pads.   Wish I knew for sure which crown was used.

Here's a Simple One crown, which matches the #5 crown and later QBs:

Simple One fork crown (corrected) 


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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

Yeesh.  One more time:  simple one crown 


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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

Hmm..  Here's another interesting image I just found for others who are 
as interested in the fork lineage (yeah, I know - not likely):

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2009/12/five-rivendell-fork-crowns.html

The 2nd one is what's used on the first Quickbeams (mine, Jim's and 
Philip's) and the Rambouillet.  Perhaps it IS the narrowest one after all, 
RC-02, which the Reader described as the "Roadeo" crown.

That would make sense if the 1st one, from an early Atlantis, is RC-01.  It 
wasn't shown  in the Reader, and may have been retired.  This is what's on 
my All Rounder.  I had just assumed that it was from an era before Riv made 
their own crowns, and that's why it isn't used anymore.


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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Matt B.]

No I did mean the Quickbeams, but also the Simpleones I'd guess although 
I've never seen one.  I have an older QB and an all-rounder with a newer 
RC-03 crown, and they are the same dimensions, they are only different in 
their appearance with the scalloping and pinpoint windows on the later 
one.  I'm fairly sure both crowns have the RC-03 designation.

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 1:04:39 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-6, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> I have the original green run QB and I run resist nomads which are listed 
>> at 700 X 45 with space to spare.  Probably not enough for fenders but 
>> plenty of mud clearance if you're into that sort of thing.  This winter 
>> I'll be running vee rubber 12s listed at 700 X 1.75, sans fenders.
>
>
> We, that's consistent with my experience, which would make sense.  At 
> least a tire that is "labeled" 45 works.  The rear tire actually gives me 
> more trouble than the front, but I assume that wouldn't be the case with 
> Rosco #5, given that it doesn't have the QB's short chainstays and narrow 
> spacing. 
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 2:12:24 AM UTC-6, Matt B. wrote:
>>
>> I'm pretty sure all runs of QBs had RC-03 crowns.  The AHH also uses that 
>> crown, and on that bike 40 might be the max you can go, but I think the 
>> limitation there is from sidepulls not the fork clearance itself.  On the 
>> cantilevered QB you can easily fit a 45mm tire, maybe up to 50 without 
>> fenders. 
>>
>
> I think you meant "all Simple Ones have the same crown" right?  The two 
> crowns I linked to above are both Quickbeams, and definitely differ from 
> each other.   The later (silver) one looks like the Simple ones which, you 
> are probably right, must be a RC-03.  And that may indeed be able to take a 
> 50mm tire?!   The Reader article says it's the Sam crown, but then says 
> that the wider RC-04 is "maybe" the Sam crown.   50mm, if realistic, starts 
> to change the equation and could almost work.  I know that people have 
> successfully run 50s on a Sam, but had to deflate to get the tires past the 
> brake pads.   Wish I knew for sure which crown was used.
>
> Here's a Simple One crown, which matches the #5 crown and later QBs:
>
> Simple One fork crown (corrected) 
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Quarterly charity drive

[Patrick Moore]

I'll add my voice to this request. As well made as the paper journals are,
a digital copy for reading on Kindle, say, would be far more convenient for
me.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> Jan,
>
> I having been thinking about this for quite a while and would really love
> to subscribe and maybe even buy some back issues, but I need a digital
> format issue from Zinio, Amazon, or some other digital magazine service.  I
> just don't have room for archiving paper copies to allow looking things up
> again in the future.  I view paper periodicals as discardable and I don't
> want to do that with BQ.
>
> Please create a digital version.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Jan Heine  wrote:
>
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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Bill Lindsay]

Keith wondered about the fork in Rosco Bubbe #5.  He wished:  " Wish I knew 
for sure which crown was used."


I just swung by Riv headquarters on my way to work today.  I test rode 
Rosco Bubbe #4 (the blue 58cm), and really liked it.  I talked with Roman a 
lot about it, and I promise you he knows the crowns well.  If you give them 
a call and ask for Roman, I'm sure he can settle for you whatever questions 
you have.  If you wanted to run a wide knobby, I bet the width wouldn't be 
the thing that gets you.  The headroom would get you, especially in mud. 
 The blue Rosco #4 had jack browns.  They had one set up with Little Big 
Bens, and another with Continental Speed Rides.  Just give Roman a call and 
talk through it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


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[RBW] The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Bill Lindsay]

I was tempted by the Rosco Bubbe project just for the headbadge and the 
downtube decals.  The Liftatube on Rosco Bubbe #4 has me *THIS CLOSE.*  I 
Bart often enough that a Liftatube bike could be my forever commuter.  I 
test rode Rosco Bubbe #4 today and it rode great, and the Liftatube fit 
perfectly.  It's a super easy carry.  I'm a little bit lukewarm about the 
horizontal dropouts, but otherwise it rocks.   

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Daniel D.]

I've been tempted to drop by for a test ride.  I'm right at the minimum 
pbh. What'd you think? 

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 12:58:33 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I was tempted by the Rosco Bubbe project just for the headbadge and the 
> downtube decals.  The Liftatube on Rosco Bubbe #4 has me *THIS CLOSE.*  I 
> Bart often enough that a Liftatube bike could be my forever commuter.  I 
> test rode Rosco Bubbe #4 today and it rode great, and the Liftatube fit 
> perfectly.  It's a super easy carry.  I'm a little bit lukewarm about the 
> horizontal dropouts, but otherwise it rocks.   
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Bill Lindsay]

Daniel D asked "What'd you think?"

I'm not sure what exactly you are asking me.  As I said, I thought it rode 
great, and I really like the liftatube.  What other aspects are you asking 
about?  Otherwise I think you should go check it out for yourself.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 1:15:36 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I've been tempted to drop by for a test ride.  I'm right at the minimum 
> pbh. What'd you think? 
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 12:58:33 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I was tempted by the Rosco Bubbe project just for the headbadge and the 
>> downtube decals.  The Liftatube on Rosco Bubbe #4 has me *THIS CLOSE.*  
>> I Bart often enough that a Liftatube bike could be my forever commuter.  I 
>> test rode Rosco Bubbe #4 today and it rode great, and the Liftatube fit 
>> perfectly.  It's a super easy carry.  I'm a little bit lukewarm about the 
>> horizontal dropouts, but otherwise it rocks.   
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Jeff Lesperance]

The liftatube definitely looks like a smart addition. Has Riv offered an
add-on handle or strap in the past? I know I've seen one around, made of
leather, maybe elsewhere. Would be a nice add-on for them to market for
those of us who can't acquire a liftatube bike.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I was tempted by the Rosco Bubbe project just for the headbadge and the
> downtube decals.  The Liftatube on Rosco Bubbe #4 has me *THIS CLOSE.*  I
> Bart often enough that a Liftatube bike could be my forever commuter.  I
> test rode Rosco Bubbe #4 today and it rode great, and the Liftatube fit
> perfectly.  It's a super easy carry.  I'm a little bit lukewarm about the
> horizontal dropouts, but otherwise it rocks.
>
> Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

Thanks, Bill.  Good insight and photo.  I'm always envious of you, and wish 
I could stop by as easily.  I did send Roman an email with some other 
questions, but haven't heard back. I'm not sure he uses the company email 
format,  but the questions weren't important or well thought out, and I 
kind of decided I should try to figure out some of this on my own anyway.   
(Or bug the group.)  In terms of the question at hand, I'm trying to 
respect  their need for professionalism, and not wanting to put them in a 
position of suggesting that something is possible or safe, when they've 
already clearly specified what the "official" maximum, allowable tire size 
is.

Drifting subjects here,  I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the blue 
#4, for fun.  I wish you'd tried the green #5, too.   They're both 
described as "road" and both fit the same exact range of rider sizes, but 
are really different.   The #5 piques my interest because it's longer in 
both the top tube and chain stays, and therefore  "may" be suitable as more 
of an  everyday, slightly-upright, cruiser?   That's still what I'm really 
after.  Love everything about my Clem and hoped I'd grow into it, but I 
think I might actually be going the other direction these days.

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 12:19:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Keith wondered about the fork in Rosco Bubbe #5.  He wished:  " Wish I 
> knew for sure which crown was used."
>
>
> 
> I just swung by Riv headquarters on my way to work today.  I test rode 
> Rosco Bubbe #4 (the blue 58cm), and really liked it.  I talked with Roman a 
> lot about it, and I promise you he knows the crowns well.  If you give them 
> a call and ask for Roman, I'm sure he can settle for you whatever questions 
> you have.  If you wanted to run a wide knobby, I bet the width wouldn't be 
> the thing that gets you.  The headroom would get you, especially in mud. 
>  The blue Rosco #4 had jack browns.  They had one set up with Little Big 
> Bens, and another with Continental Speed Rides.  Just give Roman a call and 
> talk through it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

Ah... Just saw your other "lift-a-tube thread - never mind.


> Drifting subjects here,  I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the 
> blue #4, for fun.  
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Re: [RBW] The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Bill Lindsay]

Grant would cheerfully encourage you to build your own, for cheap or free. 
 Grant has made his own out of Gaffer tape, and of twine.  I can envision 
an easy one from PVC and twine.  Maybe I will build one.  

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 1:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>
> The liftatube definitely looks like a smart addition. Has Riv offered an 
> add-on handle or strap in the past? I know I've seen one around, made of 
> leather, maybe elsewhere. Would be a nice add-on for them to market for 
> those of us who can't acquire a liftatube bike.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Quarterly charity drive

[Reed Kennedy]

I'll admit I'm in the same spot. I understand the allure of paper and will
continue to subscribe to the physical version of BQ, but the back issues
are weighing on me. Literally 65% of the printed materials I have in my
(small) home are past issues of Bicycle Quarterly. I would love to have
them all on my iPad for easy reference.


Reed

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'll add my voice to this request. As well made as the paper journals are,
> a digital copy for reading on Kindle, say, would be far more convenient for
> me.
>
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>
>> Jan,
>>
>> I having been thinking about this for quite a while and would really love
>> to subscribe and maybe even buy some back issues, but I need a digital
>> format issue from Zinio, Amazon, or some other digital magazine service.  I
>> just don't have room for archiving paper copies to allow looking things up
>> again in the future.  I view paper periodicals as discardable and I don't
>> want to do that with BQ.
>>
>> Please create a digital version.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Bill Lindsay]

Yeah, you really should just pick up the phone.  Roman is really nice, and 
will not bite.  The Blue one rode like a nice steel road bike with a handy 
carrying handle.  It's better than a Roadeo because it takes wider tires 
than a Roadeo, is $1400 cheaper than a Roadeo, and has a handy carrying 
handle.  It's worse than a Roadeo because it is not MUSA, is not pretty and 
lugged everywhere, and is probably a pound heavier.  I'd feel good about 
using the Rosco Bubbe #4 as a daily BART commuter bike.  I would not feel 
as good about using a Roadeo in the same way.  

I already have a Cantilever brake Hillborne, which does exactly the same 
things that the Rosco Bubbe would do, but I'm also considering relocating 
that Hillborne to a vacation spot where I visit every year, so the Blue 
Rosco Bubbe could slot right in to that spot in the stable.  The thing that 
is causing me to pause is the horizontal dropouts.  I really prefer 
vertical dropouts.  The ONLY thing horizontals get you is easier setup of a 
singlespeed.  Other than that single feature, I think of horizontals as a 
downgrade.  I know the original horizontal dropouts came with the claim 
that you can adjust effective chainstay length and change the handling and 
comfort of your bike.  In my opinion that notion is total hogwash.  

Bill Lindsay

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 2:16:46 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill.  Good insight and photo.  I'm always envious of you, and 
> wish I could stop by as easily.  I did send Roman an email with some other 
> questions, but haven't heard back. I'm not sure he uses the company email 
> format,  but the questions weren't important or well thought out, and I 
> kind of decided I should try to figure out some of this on my own anyway.   
> (Or bug the group.)  In terms of the question at hand, I'm trying to 
> respect  their need for professionalism, and not wanting to put them in a 
> position of suggesting that something is possible or safe, when they've 
> already clearly specified what the "official" maximum, allowable tire size 
> is.
>
> Drifting subjects here,  I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the 
> blue #4, for fun.  I wish you'd tried the green #5, too.   They're both 
> described as "road" and both fit the same exact range of rider sizes, but 
> are really different.   The #5 piques my interest because it's longer in 
> both the top tube and chain stays, and therefore  "may" be suitable as more 
> of an  everyday, slightly-upright, cruiser?   That's still what I'm really 
> after.  Love everything about my Clem and hoped I'd grow into it, but I 
> think I might actually be going the other direction these days.
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 12:19:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Keith wondered about the fork in Rosco Bubbe #5.  He wished:  " Wish I 
>> knew for sure which crown was used."
>>
>>
>> 
>> I just swung by Riv headquarters on my way to work today.  I test rode 
>> Rosco Bubbe #4 (the blue 58cm), and really liked it.  I talked with Roman a 
>> lot about it, and I promise you he knows the crowns well.  If you give them 
>> a call and ask for Roman, I'm sure he can settle for you whatever questions 
>> you have.  If you wanted to run a wide knobby, I bet the width wouldn't be 
>> the thing that gets you.  The headroom would get you, especially in mud. 
>>  The blue Rosco #4 had jack browns.  They had one set up with Little Big 
>> Bens, and another with Continental Speed Rides.  Just give Roman a call and 
>> talk through it.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Quarterly charity drive

[lum gim fong]

 I used to be into reading the documents. But I found the problem is whatever 
format the document is may go away in time. So unless it's generated on some 
kind of broadly based program that can be read on multiple formats, you may 
lose all your money and not be able to view the magazines in digital format.

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Re: [RBW] The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Joe Bernard]

Faraday makes one to help lift their electric bikes. Pretty nifty. 

https://www.faradaybikes.com/product/walnut-little-lifter/

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Re: [RBW] The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Joe Bunik]

aftermarket clamp-on accessories exist within the historical record:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/80253671@N04/8101281055/in/photostream/


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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/31/2016 05:56 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
The thing that is causing me to pause is the horizontal dropouts.  I 
really prefer vertical dropouts.  The ONLY thing horizontals get you 
is easier setup of a singlespeed.  Other than that single feature, I 
think of horizontals as a downgrade.  I know the original horizontal 
dropouts came with the claim that you can adjust effective chainstay 
length and change the handling and comfort of your bike.  In my 
opinion that notion is total hogwash. 


Amen to all that.  I have horizontal dropouts on my Kogswell P/R. They 
are a real irritation, and on that bike (even having had the edges of 
the dropouts cut back by a frame builder) they mean I cannot remove or 
install the rear wheel with the tire fully inflated because the tire 
interferes with the fender and there just isn't room.


Some have said "No big deal, you're only removing the back wheel when 
you have a flat tire," which isn't actually true, but even if it were 
it's a serious inconvenience having to put the wheel in with the tire 
deflated.  Pumping is more difficult and you can't easily spin-check the 
wheel to insure that the tire is correctly seated (not without somebody 
helping you by holding up the bike to keep the wheel off the ground) and 
if you do have to manipulate the tire to seat it properly, you can't get 
at it without deflating the tire and removing the wheel from the bike.  
And since that bike happens to have a wheel built on a Velocity Synergy 
rim, it's prone to tire seating issues.


And what do you get in return for these issues?  It's easier to use an 
internal gear hub -- but that's not something I'm ever going to do.  
It's easier to set up a singlespeed or fixed gear -- but I'm not going 
to ever do that either.   For a derailleur user, there are very real 
inconvenience costs with no corresponding benefit at all.



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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Ryan Fleming]

hmm both my rivs have horizontal dropouts as does my PX-10 of course ...and 
the X0-1 has vertical...which does ease wheel removal. I suspect the mixte, 
when it arrives will probably have vertical dropouts...actually , I think I 
requested those. Bill,  you are extremely bike-savvy , so your comment 
about the virtues of vertical over horizontal should be respected,   , but 
one over  the other is not a deal-breaker in my mind. But please feel free 
to enlighten me further

I get that the Roscoes are cool, and the tigged frames are a good  way of 
recycling forks and experimenting ...but the combo of tigged frames with 
the extra tubes is not working for me  aesthetically yet. To be fair, 
seeing one and riding one probably makes a big difference. I like the 
Roscoe graphics a lot and the fact that that they are  more than half the 
price of  their lugged equivalents is a consideration. I'm sure they're 
well-made but they remind me a bit of what Surly does with fancier  fork 
crowns on some models with straight  tigging. For Riv, if these models help 
to sustain their business , it's probably a good thing, though because 
Rivendells are often criticized for being pricey 

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 4:56:57 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yeah, you really should just pick up the phone.  Roman is really nice, and 
> will not bite.  The Blue one rode like a nice steel road bike with a handy 
> carrying handle.  It's better than a Roadeo because it takes wider tires 
> than a Roadeo, is $1400 cheaper than a Roadeo, and has a handy carrying 
> handle.  It's worse than a Roadeo because it is not MUSA, is not pretty and 
> lugged everywhere, and is probably a pound heavier.  I'd feel good about 
> using the Rosco Bubbe #4 as a daily BART commuter bike.  I would not feel 
> as good about using a Roadeo in the same way.  
>
> I already have a Cantilever brake Hillborne, which does exactly the same 
> things that the Rosco Bubbe would do, but I'm also considering relocating 
> that Hillborne to a vacation spot where I visit every year, so the Blue 
> Rosco Bubbe could slot right in to that spot in the stable.  The thing that 
> is causing me to pause is the horizontal dropouts.  I really prefer 
> vertical dropouts.  The ONLY thing horizontals get you is easier setup of a 
> singlespeed.  Other than that single feature, I think of horizontals as a 
> downgrade.  I know the original horizontal dropouts came with the claim 
> that you can adjust effective chainstay length and change the handling and 
> comfort of your bike.  In my opinion that notion is total hogwash.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 2:16:46 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Bill.  Good insight and photo.  I'm always envious of you, and 
>> wish I could stop by as easily.  I did send Roman an email with some other 
>> questions, but haven't heard back. I'm not sure he uses the company email 
>> format,  but the questions weren't important or well thought out, and I 
>> kind of decided I should try to figure out some of this on my own anyway.   
>> (Or bug the group.)  In terms of the question at hand, I'm trying to 
>> respect  their need for professionalism, and not wanting to put them in a 
>> position of suggesting that something is possible or safe, when they've 
>> already clearly specified what the "official" maximum, allowable tire size 
>> is.
>>
>> Drifting subjects here,  I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on the 
>> blue #4, for fun.  I wish you'd tried the green #5, too.   They're both 
>> described as "road" and both fit the same exact range of rider sizes, but 
>> are really different.   The #5 piques my interest because it's longer in 
>> both the top tube and chain stays, and therefore  "may" be suitable as more 
>> of an  everyday, slightly-upright, cruiser?   That's still what I'm really 
>> after.  Love everything about my Clem and hoped I'd grow into it, but I 
>> think I might actually be going the other direction these days.
>>
>> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 12:19:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Keith wondered about the fork in Rosco Bubbe #5.  He wished:  " Wish I 
>>> knew for sure which crown was used."
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I just swung by Riv headquarters on my way to work today.  I test rode 
>>> Rosco Bubbe #4 (the blue 58cm), and really liked it.  I talked with Roman a 
>>> lot about it, and I promise you he knows the crowns well.  If you give them 
>>> a call and ask for Roman, I'm sure he can settle for you whatever questions 
>>> you have.  If you wanted to run a wide knobby, I bet the width wouldn't be 
>>> the thing that gets you.  The headroom would get you, especially in mud. 
>>>  The blue Rosco #4 had jack browns.  They had one set up with Little Big 
>>> Bens, and another with Continental Speed Rides.  Just give Roman a call and 
>>> talk t

Re: [RBW] The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Dennis Hogan]

The Faraday is made by a local company Walnut Studio and can be purchased from 
them. www.walnutstudiolo.com
Same price. Check out their other products. 
Dennis in PDX

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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[Bill Lindsay]

Ryan said about horizontal vs vertical rear dropouts:  " but one over  the 
other is not a deal-breaker in my mind. But please feel free to enlighten 
me further"

Yeah, it's not a complete deal breaker but it provides exactly one benefit, 
and that one benefit is the ability to run an IGH or a singlespeed without 
a chain tensioner.  That is the only thing good that it gets you.  The 
"value" of that one benefit is zero for people who run a derailer.  The 
"price" for that one benefit is a significant hassle removing your rear 
wheel if you choose to run fenders, and choose to set them up properly. 
 So, if you are going to use fenders and a rear derailer, it's a definite 
downgrade.  It's not a great reason to start hating a bike you already have 
(two of my 10 derailer bikes have horizontal dropouts), but once you've 
done it right, and know better, it's smart to just do it right, if you can. 
 

This particular horizontal dropout is a Rivendell original design.  As 
horizontal dropouts go, it's handsome.  It has a nice RBW logo cast-in, and 
that's nice.  It's got a nice large surface area for tigging the tubes to 
the dropout, so I bet it'll be strong.  If I could snap my fingers and make 
it vertical, you bet I would.  

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Re: [RBW] The Liftatube fits me perfect

[Bill Lindsay]

In addition, Walnut Studio has an etsy page, also at the same price.  

On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 4:05:30 PM UTC-7, Dennis Hogan wrote:
>
> The Faraday is made by a local company Walnut Studio and can be purchased 
> from them. www.walnutstudiolo.com
> Same price. Check out their other products. 
> Dennis in PDX

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Quarterly charity drive

[Jan Heine]

We get quite a few requests for digital editions, and I understand the 
appeal of that format.

The problem with different formats for Bicycle Quarterly is simple: We are 
too small to offer multiple platforms. So we have to decide on a single 
platform, which accrues the economies of scale that make it possible to put 
out a high-quality magazine.

If we split the print run between 50% print and 50% digital, our costs will 
be 175% of what they are if we focus on one format. Digital is actually 
more expensive than print, because we cannot handle the files and 
distribution ourselves – as we do with the print copies. Simply mailing you 
a pdf wouldn't work - because of the many photos, the print files are huge 
(1000+ MB).

We decided to focus on print because the beauty of Bicycle Quarterly's 
photos just can't come across in digital formats. 

The longevity of print also is important. Much of BQ's research really has 
changed the bike industry – whether it's the findings that wide tires at 
lower pressures can roll as fast as narrow ones, even on smooth roads, or 
our findings that suspension losses are very important in slowing you down. 
It would be sad if all that was lost, because it was available only in the 
equivalent of a floppy disc. We often refer to old magazines about the 
history of cyclotouring. The paper may have yellowed a bit, but the 
information is still there, whether it's the wonderful drawings of Daniel 
Rebour or the results of the amazing Technical Trials...

Thank you for understanding - and continuing to enjoy Bicycle Quarterly!

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Re: New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

[Eric Karnes]

Richard: 
Thanks! I doubt the back pain is due to the downtube shifting, as I'm a 
notoriously lazy shifter. I usually only shift if I absolutely have 
to...even when running barends or thumbies. The lowering of the saddle 
definitely helped, though I need another long ride to find out it that 
completely alleviates it.

And yes, that is in fact a threadless setup. The original owner had it made 
with a threadless fork and 130mm rear spacing. The spacing worked out 
perfectly for a spare wheelset I had banging around and I really like the 
look of a decently proportioned (non-chunky) threadless stem with the 
Rivendell lugs. There's a nice contrast between the ornamental and 
industrial. 

Brian:
I'd love to do a local Riv ride. Shoot me an email and we can set something 
up. I definitely need to do some more trial and error with the bars. I 
generally like upright bars, but have never really meshed with the 
Albatross. I really want to like it (sooo pretty and I love the way it 
looks on a Hilsen with chubby tires), but it's always felt weird to me. 
Though I do like the control when riding over bumpy dirt trails.

With my short torso, I've always felt uncomfortable with drop bars. But I'm 
interested in trying them out. Having grown up exclusively mountain biking 
with flat bars, I admit to finding them a bit intimidating. Perhaps I just 
need someone with more experience to walk me through the ideal setup. I've 
asked at bike shops before, but they always look at me like I'm and idiot. 

Eric


On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 9:22:02 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Eric, your AHH is gorgeous! Could it be the back pain you experienced was 
> partly a result of the downtube shifter setup? Looks like a fair reach from 
> the bars to the shift lever. 
>
> Are my eyes deceiving me or is that a threadless steerer? Just curious. I 
> don't recall seeing many Hilsen's going the threadless route.
>
> Enjoy your fall rides!
> Richard
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 8:36:09 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> After six months with the commuter SimpleOne as my only bike, I decided 
>> to build up a geared bike for longer rides into the wooded areas outside of 
>> Center City Philadelphia. I ended up picking up a wonderful Hilsen frame 
>> from list member Charles (to whom I had previously sold my Roadeo). While 
>> the old 62cm Rivs are perfect for me, I went with a 61 in case I ever want 
>> my short torso to be comfortable on a drop setup. But for now it's sporting 
>> sweptback bars. Build-wise, I didn't have much money to spend, so my goal 
>> on this bike was to build it up for free. So every part is either (a) from 
>> my existing parts bin; (b) acquired via trade; or (c) purchased with funds 
>> from parts  sold here or on eBay. 
>>
>> The last two weeks, I've been taking it for some long rides up into the 
>> Wissahickon Park on the outskirts of Philly. And it's great! The low bottom 
>> bracket makes it s stable, but still zippy. Fantastic. There are still 
>> a few things I need to dial in. I was having back pain when I first started 
>> riding it. Couldn't figure out why, as the reach and bar height was 
>> consistent with my SimpleOne. Then I halfway through the ride today 
>> realized I was riding the AHH in shoes with much thinner soles. Lowered the 
>> seat a bit and that seems to have helped. I'm still on the fence about the 
>> albatross bars, Ergon grips, and friction shifting. But I'll live with them 
>> for a while and see if they grow on me (and to be fair, the friction 
>> shifting issues are likely due to my mediocre mechanical skills). 
>>
>> Anyways, it was a beautiful ride today. And my route out to the park 
>> passed a major regatta on the Schuylkill River. Universities from up and 
>> down the east coast were competing. So I took some water breaks to watch 
>> the action. Hope all you east coasters also get some autumnal rides in this 
>> weekend!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 46cm Nitto Noodle Bar mod 177 - Near new condition

[stoker]

Price drop - $40 + $10 shipping!

PayPsl is best...

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Fork crowns on Quickbeam & Simple One - Questions

[iamkeith]

I tend to think of rivs (heck, most bikes) as lifetime investments.  The thing 
a horizontal dropout does for me is offer the ability to adapt or change the 
personality of a bike somewhere down the road, after it becomes old hat.  Plus, 
i've LONG dreamed of a rohloff riv.  That said, i dont think id ever require 
more than one such bike.

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[RBW] Another Rosco v2 Build

[Joe Bernard]

That's sweet. I love the tall headtube/slammed bars look. 

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