[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

[ted]

Yeup. I'd say you are right. Happy trails.

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[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

[Michael in SF]

I think it turned out great!

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 5:12:21 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> The Riv newsletter I received today alluded to this in the subject, but 
> there were no details in the newsletter. Anyone know the scoop? An AHH-blue 
> Hunqapillar (maybe with a top tube a few cm longer than stock) is my dream 
> Rivendell. 
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[Bob Lovejoy]

I guess I will throw in that comparisons should probably take into account 
the setup and the role the rider is/was looking for.  An Atlantis for one 
person becomes an off-road capable cruiser, for someone else a long 
distance tourer, drops for some, albatross or ??? for others.

My Cheviot is fendered, smooth tired (Schwalbe Marathon Supremes, 40mm), 
has somewhat upright bars (MAP/Ahearnes, 570mm, the narrower ones), and is 
a mostly city/town based, some would say elegant, bike - though Cheviots 
definitely are capable of more.  I will say the Cheviot gets the most 
admiring comments per mile than any bike I have ever owned, maybe tied with 
a Brompton I had.  People immediately recognize it as an almost archetypal 
bike, old, refined, French,  maybe British...  And I smile every time I 
ride it...

The Appaloosa is capable of larger and chunkier tires (currently BG RnR's 
43mm and could certainly go larger), is not currently fendered (though it 
could be), has somewhat more aggressive, wider bars (Nitto Bullmoose) and 
is set up as something like a mountain bike for grownups.  I rode it on a 
~35 mile group ride this last weekend and it did absolutely great, 
comfortable and fast enough for the mostly relaxed group, perfect for any 
gravel or dirt found. My position on the Joe is slightly more aggressive 
and that helps with the winds we can have in NW Illinois.  I have to laugh 
a bit when people look at the Joe, and really like it but have no idea what 
to say.  It just brings together things people had not imagined being 
together - comfortable, touring, mountain bike, basket, two top tubes, 
u, what?  And I smile every time I ride it...

I have always wanted an Atlantis, maybe a Hunq, but if it was an Atlantis, 
I would probably build it as a drop bar bike, long distance tourer mode 
though, again, there is absolutely nothing keeping it from being something 
else.  And I know I would love it too!  But this has to stop, it just has 
to... :>)

The Cheviot is limited, if you want to be able to do true rough stuff, by 
max tire size (with caliper brakes).  The Joe and Atlantis not so much 
(with v-brakes or cantilevers).  This is a broad stroke but if I knew I 
wanted a drop-bar bike, the Atlantis would top the list (of the three). 
 All things are possible but, well the Atlantis wins (for drops) given 
normal dimensions and expectations.

That said, I am almost officially old, certainly not fast, and am now a 
convert to more upright bars, so the Joe/Cheviot combo is really working 
for me, though I still have other bikes and have one (last!) 650B road bike 
project in mind. 

Apologies for all the words!  Did not mean to write this much  All I 
know is when I ride the Joe, I have great fun and cannot imagine selling 
it.  When I ride the Cheviot, I have great fun and absolutely cannot 
imagine selling it either.  Everything else in my life is up for debate but 
somehow, some way, not those two bikes.

Enough!  Hope the random comments help... It will be interesting to hear 
other comparisons.

Bob 

  

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 7:59:24 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Interesting, Bob.  Does anyone else here have both a Cheviot and a Joe?  I 
> would be interested in others' comparisons - thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[Dave Johnston]

My Heron Touring is wonderfully stable and yet appropriately responsive for 
a "country bike", however about a decade ago I put on a small "clamp on the 
bars type" handlebar bag and it got shimmy coasting no hands down a gentle 
slope at about 20mph while trying to zip up a jacket. I took the handlebag 
off and stuffed it in the trunk bag on the rear rack, which made camera and 
chapstick access less convenient. I have never run a bar bag again on that 
bike, and never had shimmy before or since.

Knowing what I know now I would have just left the bar bag in place and:
a) pedaled, not coasted
b) rested knee on top tube while coasting
c) put more or less weight in the front bag as an experiment

-Dave J

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:42:46 PM UTC-4, Bruce K Jamison wrote:
>
> My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike.  At the end of a long ride 
> where I was admittedly tired and not riding in the best fashion (no hands, 
> leaning way back in the saddle), the bike got the dreaded wobble.   It went 
> away quickly.  I went over the bike checking the usual suspects, and am 
> happy to say everything is fine again.   But I was really surprised that it 
> happened at all.   The San Marcos is so stable and it’s even a 2X top tube 
> model.I guess it’s only human….  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA -- 58cm atlantis 1750 seattle CL

[dougP]

Good luck Dylan.  I hope this works out for both of you.  You're gonna like 
this bike.

dougP

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 12:55:19 PM UTC-7, Dylan Green pdx wrote:
>
> I spoke to the seller, and I have plans to pick it up tomorrow! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantis 56cm - Detroit,MI

[Belopsky]

im in talks w the seller, we'll see what happens.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantis 56cm - Detroit,MI

[dougP]

I have one I bought new in 2003, and the sn is AT00519.  The lugs & ST 
decal are the same as mine.  

dougP

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 4:03:55 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Nice frame.  Any significance to that "04" serial number?  Is this one of 
> the first?
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 4:18:40 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> This might be a list members..
>>
>> https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bik/6142916982.html
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[tc]

Interesting, Bob.  Does anyone else here have both a Cheviot and a Joe?  I 
would be interested in others' comparisons - thanks!

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:29:40 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> It has not seemed to be worth mentioning in a separate post but it may be 
> worth noting here...
>
> Not that I was planning it but it seemed my Appaloosa was destined to 
> replace my Cheviot.  The Joe is such great fun and can do more of anything 
> than any other bike I can remember.  That said, I love riding the Cheviot! 
>  It has such a relaxed elegance to it.  Riding it, I can somehow easily 
> imagine that all is right with the world, at least all has been right 
> before and could be again.  It gives me such a great glimpse into those 
> worlds and times.  I really love riding it.  I love the Joe as well, 
> though, and look for chances to explore with it as often as possible.
>
> They may comprise the most narrowly focused two-bike solution I can 
> imagine, but somehow I am ok with that.  Go figure...   Both make me smile, 
> both let me believe.
>
> All the news from Galesburg...  A good, long weekend to all!
>
> Bob  
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantis 56cm - Detroit,MI

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice frame.  Any significance to that "04" serial number?  Is this one of 
the first?

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 4:18:40 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> This might be a list members..
>
> https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bik/6142916982.html
>

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[RBW] Nice guy, nice day, nice ride

[Patrick Moore]

RBW-lister Tim Kirch came through town after riding his Hilsen from KS
City, KS, on his way to San Francisco. We had beer and dinner last night
and a nice ride today, a breezy but sunny and temperate spring day, just an
out/south and back/north on the RG paved trail. Wonderfully, for such a
nice day, the trail was not packed with riders, skateboarders, inline
skaters, and large families with dogs on long leashes.

We meant to ride the Tramway hill but I woke up feeling somewhat beat,
probably from too aggressive climbing and wind-pushing yesterday in too
high a fixed gear, so we settled on the perfectly flat trail. Very nice.
Thanks, Tim, and Godspeed.

I charge Tim to post about his ride from KS City, particularly about the
Clayton, NM to Las Vegas, NM leg.

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Re: [RBW] Hubba disc adapter size

[Daniel Jackson]

Thanks Rene. 

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[RBW] PSA: Atlantis 56cm - Detroit,MI

[Belopsky]

This might be a list members..

https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bik/6142916982.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[Patrick Moore]

Was the initial question about shimmy, or about straight line stability? As
Antone says, there is a big difference. I've owned bikes that just felt
"darty" -- they didn't want to track straight, and the slightest body
adjustment or sidewind would send them swerving. *And*, this could happen
on a bike that was, if anything, rather sluggish in turn-in -- we're not
talking about darty crit bikes.

One such bike was an otherwise nice Fuji Royale, 6 speed era ('cause it was
written on the right chain stay: "12 Speed"). The bike just didn't want to
track straight. It wasn't terrible, and you could adjust, and I did, but it
just wasn't stable. And this was no darty crit bike by any means.

But put a 20+ lb load in the back, and the handling became just sweet, if
rather sedate.

Likewise: riding a NORBA (can't speak to modern ones) era mountain bike
with too-skinny tires: again, just would not track straight.

Or, last example, my otherwise nice Sam Hill. Fine, if rather sedate on the
flats, but point it uphill, sit far back, gear down, and pedal hard, and it
was very hard to keep the thing in a straight line. (This is very great
contradistinction from my 4 other Rivs, of which one wonderful quality was
straight line, no-thought/no worries stability, albeit with supremely
confident and seamless turn-in. In fact, on the flats or in fast downhill
sweepers, the Sam felt rock solid.)

All of this is and entirely different matter from shimmy.

I think that the Original Person was talking about this sort of
instability, and not shimmy -- right?

Patrick "fwiw, the 15 mph+ no-hands-only shimmy on the '03 Curt seems to
have mysteriously disappeared this year" Moore

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Antone Könst 
wrote:

> But there is basic stability, as opposed to the speed wobble kind of
> shimmying...my old Nishiki I'd ride through NYC with no hands for miles,
> besides lights, but through intersections and down hills, even loaded.  My
> new (to me) Cheviot is very hard to control with no hands on a flat road
> with no load.  Why?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[BG]

Please give me a call on my cell phone (707) 762-4107.
There are many misconceptions about my business.
Regards,
Bruce Gordon
Bruce Gordon Cycle  
www.bgcycles.com
brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
(707) 762-5601

On May 23, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Vincent van Gogh committed suicide after years of mental illness and poverty 
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_van_Gogh).
> 
> Bruce has made (I would hope) a good living producing bikes for other people. 
> He owns some now that he can sell, but he might have an inflated idea of 
> their value. I hope he was setting aside something over the years in a 401k 
> to cover his retirement.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[Antone Könst]

But there is basic stability, as opposed to the speed wobble kind of 
shimmying...my old Nishiki I'd ride through NYC with no hands for miles, 
besides lights, but through intersections and down hills, even loaded.  My 
new (to me) Cheviot is very hard to control with no hands on a flat road 
with no load.  Why? 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 5:56:40 PM UTC-4, Nash Taylor wrote:
>
> Sounds like the way you were riding it.  Does a bike exist that won't ever 
> shimmy when someone rides no handed and leaning back?  
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:42:46 PM UTC-7, Bruce K Jamison wrote:
>>
>> My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike.  At the end of a long ride 
>> where I was admittedly tired and not riding in the best fashion (no hands, 
>> leaning way back in the saddle), the bike got the dreaded wobble.   It went 
>> away quickly.  I went over the bike checking the usual suspects, and am 
>> happy to say everything is fine again.   But I was really surprised that it 
>> happened at all.   The San Marcos is so stable and it’s even a 2X top tube 
>> model.I guess it’s only human….  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[Bruce K Jamison]

It sounds like shimmy is the more popular term, and yes, it went away as 
soon as I got back into a good riding position.   But it was a first for 
this bike and I was surprised more than anything.   I'm sure I've ridden 
like that before, maybe this time I over did it, or maybe being tired meant 
I was not controlling it as well.   But I still took time to check things 
out.  I've even tried to bring it on and so far no more problems.   On my 
other bikes that were prone to shimmy I've had the most luck with moving 
weight around, redistributing loads, things like that.   But the San Marcos 
is currently set up as a go-fast bike.  I took the racks off a while back 
and I don't carry much on it other than an underseat bag and water.   

Maybe I was on the edge of losing control and shimmy was a warning to stop 
messing around!

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 12:10:12 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> When did it go away? After you stopped riding no hands?
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:42:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce K Jamison wrote:
>>
>> My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike.  At the end of a long ride 
>> where I was admittedly tired and not riding in the best fashion (no hands, 
>> leaning way back in the saddle), the bike got the dreaded wobble.   It went 
>> away quickly.  I went over the bike checking the usual suspects, and am 
>> happy to say everything is fine again.   But I was really surprised that it 
>> happened at all.   The San Marcos is so stable and it’s even a 2X top tube 
>> model.I guess it’s only human….  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Norma Herrera-Baird]

Hi All, 

I'm Evan's partner, Norma. I've skimmed through this and see lots of 
questions regarding the business side of things, especially what exactly 
happens if/when we reach our goal so decided to jump in, since that's my 
area of expertise. 

Whether or not we reach the goal, the money is going to Bruce. We setup the 
GoFundMe to send the monies directly to BG, so we'll never see a cent of 
it. 

Should we reach the $250,000, we will be co-owners of BGC along with a 
group of carefully selected members of our bike community. These people 
will include bike shop owners, builders, bike activists and people from the 
Bike!Bike! community. Our end goal will be a museum and bike building & 
repair school fit to honor BG's legacy. Bruce himself will be around to 
teach us and our students everything he knows. (by the way, admission to 
the first class of the school will be an offered perk on GoFundMe); We will 
be turning the for-profit company into a non-profit collective, with a 
mission to guide the next generation of bicycle artisans and advocate for 
better biking. 

What qualifies *me* personally to be a part of this? Glad you asked! I'm 
currently the ED of a non-profit museum, was on the staff of California's 
statewide bike advocacy organization before that; and was on the board of a 
bike collective in Oakland. I've served as an advisor to multiple bike 
collectives across the country and my personal network of bike activists 
and enthusiasts is worldwide. 

We also have an educator on our team, to guide us in designing and 
implementing the curriculum.  

I hope that answers most of the questions asked. Please email me directly 
for follow-up, as I will not be receiving alerts from this Group. 

Ride on, 

Norma 



On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 8:40:21 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> Cross Post from BOB
>
> Hey Everybody. I spoke with Bruce Gordon again this afternoon and he still 
> hasn't found a buyer for his shop. My partner Norma and I decided that we 
> want to try to raise the money to turn BG Cycles into a frame building 
> school and bike touring museum and open it to the public. I think what 
> Bruce is asking is an insanely low amount of one of the most respected 
> names in custom bicycles and I think that he deserves a comfortable 
> retirement after everything he's done for the American Bike Industry. If 
> you can't support us directly please help us spread the word about our 
> crowdfunding campaign. We have about a month to pull this off, after which 
> Bruce told me he's just going to take his bicycle collection to the 
> recyclers and scrap the lot. I really believe he intends to do that, and I 
> would break my heart to see such beautiful and historical bikes get 
> destroyed.
>
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/save-bruce-gordon-cycles
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA -- 58cm atlantis 1750 seattle CL

[Dylan Green pdx]

I spoke to the seller, and I have plans to pick it up tomorrow! 

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[RBW] Re: Rear disc question for Hubbuhubbuh

[Jim A]

Your frame has two unthreaded bolt holes spaced 51mm apart in the same 
plane as the disc rotor. This is known as International Standard (I.S.) 
mounting.

The BB7 brake has two bolt holes spaced 74mm apart, not in the same plane 
as the rotor. This is known as Post Mounting. 

As is very common, you need an adapter to mount a Post Mount brake on an 
I.S. mount frame

The adapter is also the part that ensures the brake caliper sits at the 
right height/position for whatever size rotor you are using. Most frames 
are built to be able to run a 140mm rotor on the rear. This would take an 
adapter with 0mm offset (ie. no offset needed) In order to line up with a 
bigger rotor, the brake caliper would need to be spaced further away from 
the I.S. holes. A 180mm rotor is 40mm bigger 140mm, so the adapter is 
called a "+40mm" adapter (although the radius difference is only 20mm). 
Some companies label these as "R180", the R meaning rear, which assumes the 
frame was built for 140mm. (Front adapters are different, forks are usually 
built with 160mm rotors in mind, so a F180 would only be +20mm, although 
some new road forks are built for 140mm).

It's safest to use an Avid brand adapter with an avid brake, but most brand 
mixing usually works out OK.

I hope this is a useful amount of information.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Chris Chen]

This thread is bit confusing to me.

Fender related crashes seem anecdotal, I live in western Oregon so rain is
far from anecdotal.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 09:50 Brian Campbell  wrote:

>
> I did a refresh on my AHH which now sports 10 spd friction and sized down
> from 38mm EL Barlow Pass to 35mm EL Bon Jon Pass tires.
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[RBW] Re: What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Patrick Cronin]

Jim,

You scored with the matching bar tape and tires. Also digging the small 
touches like the headset spacer in orange and the Paul skewers. 

-Patrick

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 1:05:20 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I attached a couple of photos. Picked it up Friday night. Rode Friday and 
> Saturday. I'm delighted with this bike. The 43 mm tires are appropriate. 
> Don't need anything bigger - the stoker is a skinny 12-year old who barely 
> fits even with his seat post slammed. 
>
> Some reviews emphasize how "fun" this bike is. In some instances, when I 
> hear that a bike is "fun" I think "slow and upright." It can be damning 
> with faint praise, like when somebody wants to set you up with a girl with 
> "a good personality." 
>
> This tandem is fun, but not in a slow and clunky way, or 
> girl-with-a-good-personality way. I'm not claiming that we're especially 
> strong riders, but we were buzzing around town much faster than we do when 
> we ride separately. And then the fast riding feeds on itself. When I feel 
> the kid pedaling hard, I pedal harder, and vice versa.
>
> This bike is fast enough that I am already contemplating a shift to 
> albastache bars, as my hands were mostly out front in the "aero" position, 
> and I'm wanting some brake levers to grab on to when I'm out there.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 9:40:53 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>> We will have to see pictures of that combo Jim S.
>> I saw that orange and it's wild. 
>>
>> I went with the Schwalbe Super Motos. They look like big fat motorcycle 
>> tires. I'm looking forward to trying them out. I don't know how they'll 
>> ride but they should wear really well. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rear disc question for Hubbuhubbuh

[René Sterental]

For a 180mm rotor, you need the rear version of this adapter:
http://www.jensonusa.com/Brake-Adapters-1/Shimano-180mm-Is-Disc-Brake-Adaptor

René

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 7:48 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

> I don't have much experience with disc brakes.
> I'm planning to run a cable actuated disc as a drag brake on the HHH.
>
> There was a Blug post that said to run a 40mm bracket with a 180mm rotor
> on the small size tandem.
> The bracket on mine measures 50mm on center for the mounting screws.
> To confuse matters further, the Avid BB7 180mm rotor I was looking at has
> no mention of bracket size but lists 74mm in the description.
> Is that a pad measurement?
> Is the 40mm bracket the de facto standard for that brake size or is this a
> case of caveat emptor?
>
>
> Thank you,
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Hubba disc adapter size

[René Sterental]

This is the adapter you need for a 200mm rotor:
http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-R203PS-Disc-Brake-Adaptor-Rear-203mm-Rotor-74mm-Caliper-51-Frame

René

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 11:19 AM Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Anybody know what size disc adapter I'd need for a hubba? Is the spacing
> 51mm?
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] Hubba disc adapter size

[Daniel Jackson]

Howdy,

Anybody know what size disc adapter I'd need for a hubba? Is the spacing 51mm?

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Patrick Moore]

Very nice. This photo should be sent to the boblist thread about fender
with knobby tires!

Am I right in thinking that the Riv tandem has an especially long wheelbase?

I recall a Bicycling or Bicycle Guide story from 25+ years ago, about a
roadie father who took his 8-9 year old son as stoker on a tandem. He
called his son "Turbo". When he needed boost, he'd yell, "Turbo!" and the
kid would kick in. No problems with torque steer, apparently.

Keep us updated on the rides.

Patrick Moore, whose first experience on a tout 531C Orbit (Brit) racing
tandem ended in disaster with a broken steerer tube (but just bruises,
thank God). Talk about wag the dog, with an inexperienced stoker!

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Jim S.  wrote:

> I attached a couple of photos. Picked it up Friday night. Rode Friday and
> Saturday. I'm delighted with this bike. The 43 mm tires are appropriate.
> Don't need anything bigger - the stoker is a skinny 12-year old who barely
> fits even with his seat post slammed.
>
> Some reviews emphasize how "fun" this bike is. In some instances, when I
> hear that a bike is "fun" I think "slow and upright." It can be damning
> with faint praise, like when somebody wants to set you up with a girl with
> "a good personality."
>
> This tandem is fun, but not in a slow and clunky way, or
> girl-with-a-good-personality way. I'm not claiming that we're especially
> strong riders, but we were buzzing around town much faster than we do when
> we ride separately. And then the fast riding feeds on itself. When I feel
> the kid pedaling hard, I pedal harder, and vice versa.
>
> This bike is fast enough that I am already contemplating a shift to
> albastache bars, as my hands were mostly out front in the "aero" position,
> and I'm wanting some brake levers to grab on to when I'm out there.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 9:40:53 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>> We will have to see pictures of that combo Jim S.
>> I saw that orange and it's wild.
>>
>> I went with the Schwalbe Super Motos. They look like big fat motorcycle
>> tires. I'm looking forward to trying them out. I don't know how they'll
>> ride but they should wear really well.
>>
>> Ray
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Brian Campbell]

I did a refresh on my AHH which now sports 10 spd friction and sized down 
from 38mm EL Barlow Pass to 35mm EL Bon Jon Pass tires.













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[RBW] Re: FS: Choco-Norm Bar, Tallux Stem, Paul Thumbies, Shimano Bar Ends, Sugino Triple

[Johnny Alien]

Still have the Tallux stem (brand new), bar ends and sugino triple.

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[RBW] CETMA rack and Sackville ShopSack

[Steve Butcher]

As I'm continuing to sort through and pass along stuff I'm not using, I'm 
offering for sale my  5-rail CETMA front cargo rack.  This rack is the 
older version which attaches to the handlebars and over the axles.  It is 
powdercoated matte black,  looks quite "industrial" and is rated to haul a 
substantial load.  This rack does not have the extra attachment points for 
lights like the newer version.  The rack is in excellent condition always 
stored indoors with only a rare hairline scratch or small scuff from 
mounting a basket, the welds are all intact, nothing is bend, and there is 
no rust.  All mounting hardware is included.  I'm selling because I find I 
just don't have the need to haul heavy or bulky objects.  I'm thinking 
$100.00 shipped CONUS.   I'm also offering a large tan Sackville ShopSack 
which is in like new condition.  I've used it very little, always stored 
indoors, and never wet.  I'd like to get $70.00 shipped CONUS.  I'd prefer 
payments via PayPal Family and Friends.  Please PM me if you've any 
questions.  Thanks.  Steve

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

20 spokes is an invitation for a lot of things to go wrong.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 1:30:39 AM UTC-6, Nick Payne wrote:
>
> On Friday, 26 May 2017 16:42:17 UTC+10, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
>> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
>> the shoulders.
>> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
>> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>>
>
> If you're worried about that, you'd better stop riding a bike that has 
> fork blades, which are considerably stouter than the most rigid and firmly 
> fixed of fender stays.
>
> Squirrel meets fork:
>
> 
>  
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[RBW] Re: P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[GSE]

Tubus makes an adapter that will allow you to attach the stays at the front 
of the rack to the rear brake bridge.  With this setup you will not need 
p-clamps on the seat stays.  I also believe that Tubus makes an adapter 
that adds an extra eyelet to your chain stay.  Call Wayne at 
TheTouringStore.com.  He knows all about making a rack fit your bike.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:43:17 PM UTC-5, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
> Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's blue 
> and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently 
> occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with 
> p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and 
> I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is 
> stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.
>
> Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap, 
> but could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if 
> I was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.
>
> There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new braze-ons 
> for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless I have to 
> since it's considerably more permanent of an option.
>
> - Mike in ATX
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[RBW] Re: P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[GSE]

Wit a Tubus rack you can buy an adapter that lets you mount the front stays 
on the rack to the brake bridge  and you will not have to use p-clamps. 
 Call Wayne at TheTouringStore.com he can help you with this set up. 

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 5:00:39 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> These are the Tubus LM-1 clamps, which work great for this specific use 
> (Mark's rack on a unicrown fork), 
>
>
> 
>  
> 
> but they otherwise kind of suck for fork and seatstay mounts, because the 
> boss is deep and sits wide out from the fork or seatstays, bending your 
> rack stays.  
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[Les Lammers]

I agree with Bill 100%. Just put a few dollars away until you can make it 
happen. IMHO, long term satisfaction should be the goal. 
 

On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 2:10:07 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> In my opinion, if you really want an Atlantis, you should wait and make it 
> happen.  If "out of your budget" means you can't afford it yet, then wait 
> until you can afford it.  If "out of your budget" means you could never 
> spend that much on a frameset and feel good about riding it, then wait 
> until you find a used one.  
>
> If you actually want an Appaloosa, and an Appaloosa is in your budget, 
> then go for it.  The Appaloosa is a fine bike.  But if you buy an Appaloosa 
> and continue to want it to be an Atlantis, then you are bound to eventually 
> regret it, and you'll be right back here again.  That's my opinion.  
>
> Bill who-rode-his-Appaloosa-this-morning Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 9:57:50 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Just wondering what you guys think?  I really want an Atlantis but a new 
>> one is out of my budget.  Intended use is mostly off road like fire trails, 
>> cross country riding; NOT crazy downhill, rock gardens etc.  Since the 
>> Appaloosa is supposed to be somewhere between the Hillborne and the Hunq, 
>> I'm wondering if an Appaloosa would be an appropriate  substitute?
>>
>>  Big price difference between the two. I'm sure there is a tubing 
>> difference. But the Appaloosa has the Hunq fork so that's plenty strong. 
>> Maybe better cosmetics, detailed lugging on the Atlantis.  So you say why 
>> not get a Hunq? But if I'm going to pop for a new Hunq I might as will buy 
>> a new Atlantis. What do you think?
>>
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[RBW] Re: P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[Ron Mc]

These are the Tubus LM-1 clamps, which work great for this specific use 
(Mark's rack on a unicrown fork), 


 

but they otherwise kind of suck for fork and seatstay mounts, because the 
boss is deep and sits wide out from the fork or seatstays, bending your 
rack stays.  

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 26 May 2017 16:42:17 UTC+10, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>

If you're worried about that, you'd better stop riding a bike that has fork 
blades, which are considerably stouter than the most rigid and firmly fixed 
of fender stays.

Squirrel meets fork:


 

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