[RBW] WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

[Doug Bloch]

Bob,

I have some 44cm I might be able to send home with my brother in law this 
weekend. Not sure how stuffed his suitcase is.

Doug

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[RBW] Re: WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

[DarinM]

Hey Bob, I have a 44cm, but have been considering switching to a 46cm. 
Trade? Mine have only seen a couple months of use

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 4:22:46 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:
>
> Wondering if someone has a spare 44cm Noodle lying around, not being used. 
>  Currently use a 46cm, but have narrow shoulders.  I want to try a 
> (slightly) narrower width.  On a budget, but have PayPal.
>
> Feel free to reply here or via PM.  Thanks in advance!
>
> Ride Safely,
> Beaverton Bob
>

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[RBW] My first Rivendell: 54cm Rambouillet

[WETH]

That's a beautiful bike! Congratulations!

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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Christopher Murray]

While the phrase "penis-head shaped bell" made my day, I highly doubt the shape 
of the bell is an issue. Unless you were over-dinging I'd assume she just 
didn't want to move. It's not the shape of your bell, it's how you ding it. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: 650B Atlantis

[RandoNate]

I ordered my 56cm 650b Atlantis in October.  Just got the update that Waterford 
will be done with the frame on July 7 (9 months).  Lng wait but I'm sure 
it'll be worth it!  So pumped!

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[RBW] WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the reply! Just found out that shipping MAY be too expensive.  Found 
an online price of about $40 shipped, brand new.  Was naively hoping to spend 
less than that.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] Re: 650B Atlantis

[drew]

I'm not sure how accurate the geo for the new 650b models on the website is. I 
know there were some differences between the 650b hunq listed and actual 
geometry. I reached out to will and a 650b hunq owner and both gave me numbers 
that differed from those on the website. 

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[RBW] Re: 650B Atlantis

[dougP]

Interesting.  Mine is from '03 & the geo chart from an old flyer shows 45.5 
cm chainstays.  This chart is not as complete as the current on-line one 
but what other dims it has are the same for the 58.  I double checked the 
chainstays on mine & they are 45.5 cm.  

Not too likely that this would be N+1.  But then I wouldn't be the first 
list member to have multiples of the same Rivendell model, would I?  

dougP

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 3:43:59 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>   Take a look at the current geo charts. The 650b 56 has different HTA and 
> rake, so different trail than the 58 700c. By this calculator with both 
> 40mm tire width, the trail is 61 for the 650b and 68 for the 700c. 
> http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php
>
>   The HT slope angle is only 1/2 degree different, and the TT are within 
> 1/2 cm. Chainstays only 1/2 cm longer for the 650B.Seat tube angle is 1/2 
> degree shallower too, so that has to be factored in. All in all it adds up 
> to "a different feel", everything all yet one whole. Plus, it's not set up 
> the same as your other bike, is it ?
>
>
> On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 2:44:47 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>
>> On my way to the West Point Inn weekend, I stopped by RBWHQ just to hang 
>> out & check out all the new goodies.  As luck would have it, Roman was 
>> working with a potential customer, helping him sort out the Appaloosa, 
>> Atlantis & Clem question.  The guy had been riding old bikes for a long 
>> time & felt it was about time to get something really nice.  After he took 
>> off on Grant's personal Appaloosa (he intends to commute so all the junk on 
>> the bike was a good simulated load), Roman walked me thru all the changes 
>> on the new Atlantis & offered to slap a saddle on a 56 cm , 650B.  Since I 
>> really wasn't buying anything, I declined the ride.  
>>
>> After a while the guy came back, thoroughly smitten with the Appaloosa, 
>> and asking about what was the next level up?  Of course it's the Atlantis, 
>> and the 56 cm 650B was the right size.  So it got the saddle, all checked 
>> out & away the customer went.  On his return, while he & Roman discussed 
>> the differences between Atlantis & Appaloosa, and Roman worked up a couple 
>> of sample builds for him, I took off on the Atlantis, "just for fun".  Oh 
>> boy, was that a most pleasant surprise!
>>
>> I've had my 58 cm, 700c wheeled Atlantis since 2003.  We've covered a lot 
>> of ground.  By the time I got to the end of the building, I thought "this 
>> is really different, in a really GOOD way".  The bike felt more responsive 
>> in all respects.  It was shod with chubbier tires than the 40 mms on my 
>> bike.  Of course it had no load, just a small front rack.  Being new, all 
>> the clicks clicked perfectly and the brakes braked.  Still, it was the RIDE 
>> that was noticeable.  
>>
>> The smaller wheel size must have something to do with it.  The chainstays 
>> are 2 cm longer than mine.  The TT has a tad more slope.  What other subtle 
>> improvements have been made to take an already fine riding bike & turn it 
>> into a magical experience?  Normally I'm quite skeptical of small changes 
>> making big differences in already nice things, but in this case it's 
>> definitely change for the better.  
>>
>> BTW, Roman found a green Appaloosa frame that the customer couldn't take 
>> his eyes off of.  My guess is he's close to New Bike Day.  Maybe Roman will 
>> post photos?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

[Conway Bennett]

Bob,

I have some lightly used 44cm noodles.  My wife was the second owner and the 
bars have requisite tape scuzz.  What are you looking to spend?  Keep in mind 
shipping is probably $15.

FW,

CCB

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[RBW] WTB: CHEAP/USED 44cm Noodle

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wondering if someone has a spare 44cm Noodle lying around, not being used. 
 Currently use a 46cm, but have narrow shoulders.  I want to try a 
(slightly) narrower width.  On a budget, but have PayPal.

Feel free to reply here or via PM.  Thanks in advance!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[RBW] FS: VO Grand Cru Zeste Cantilever Brakeset

[Ash A]

I have had them on my Appaloosa for about 200 miles/2 months or so.  These 
are good brakes.  No squeals.   It swings open fully (i.e., brake pads 
don't hit fork blades) - which means no need to deflate fat tires while 
removing wheels.  

Giving them up because I've decided that I want my brakes in black for the 
color theme I'm shooting for :)

$90 shipped to lower 48.

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[RBW] Re: 650B Atlantis

[Garth]

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 2:44:47 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> On my way to the West Point Inn weekend, I stopped by RBWHQ just to hang 
> out & check out all the new goodies.  As luck would have it, Roman was 
> working with a potential customer, helping him sort out the Appaloosa, 
> Atlantis & Clem question.  The guy had been riding old bikes for a long 
> time & felt it was about time to get something really nice.  After he took 
> off on Grant's personal Appaloosa (he intends to commute so all the junk on 
> the bike was a good simulated load), Roman walked me thru all the changes 
> on the new Atlantis & offered to slap a saddle on a 56 cm , 650B.  Since I 
> really wasn't buying anything, I declined the ride.  
>
> After a while the guy came back, thoroughly smitten with the Appaloosa, 
> and asking about what was the next level up?  Of course it's the Atlantis, 
> and the 56 cm 650B was the right size.  So it got the saddle, all checked 
> out & away the customer went.  On his return, while he & Roman discussed 
> the differences between Atlantis & Appaloosa, and Roman worked up a couple 
> of sample builds for him, I took off on the Atlantis, "just for fun".  Oh 
> boy, was that a most pleasant surprise!
>
> I've had my 58 cm, 700c wheeled Atlantis since 2003.  We've covered a lot 
> of ground.  By the time I got to the end of the building, I thought "this 
> is really different, in a really GOOD way".  The bike felt more responsive 
> in all respects.  It was shod with chubbier tires than the 40 mms on my 
> bike.  Of course it had no load, just a small front rack.  Being new, all 
> the clicks clicked perfectly and the brakes braked.  Still, it was the RIDE 
> that was noticeable.  
>
> The smaller wheel size must have something to do with it.  The chainstays 
> are 2 cm longer than mine.  The TT has a tad more slope.  What other subtle 
> improvements have been made to take an already fine riding bike & turn it 
> into a magical experience?  Normally I'm quite skeptical of small changes 
> making big differences in already nice things, but in this case it's 
> definitely change for the better.  
>
> BTW, Roman found a green Appaloosa frame that the customer couldn't take 
> his eyes off of.  My guess is he's close to New Bike Day.  Maybe Roman will 
> post photos?
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Re: 650B Atlantis

[Garth]

  Take a look at the current geo charts. The 650b 56 has different HTA and 
rake, so different trail than the 58 700c. By this calculator with both 
40mm tire width, the trail is 61 for the 650b and 68 for the 700c. 
http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php

  The HT slope angle is only 1/2 degree different, and the TT are within 
1/2 cm. Chainstays only 1/2 cm longer for the 650B.Seat tube angle is 1/2 
degree shallower too, so that has to be factored in. All in all it adds up 
to "a different feel", everything all yet one whole. Plus, it's not set up 
the same as your other bike, is it ?


On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 2:44:47 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> On my way to the West Point Inn weekend, I stopped by RBWHQ just to hang 
> out & check out all the new goodies.  As luck would have it, Roman was 
> working with a potential customer, helping him sort out the Appaloosa, 
> Atlantis & Clem question.  The guy had been riding old bikes for a long 
> time & felt it was about time to get something really nice.  After he took 
> off on Grant's personal Appaloosa (he intends to commute so all the junk on 
> the bike was a good simulated load), Roman walked me thru all the changes 
> on the new Atlantis & offered to slap a saddle on a 56 cm , 650B.  Since I 
> really wasn't buying anything, I declined the ride.  
>
> After a while the guy came back, thoroughly smitten with the Appaloosa, 
> and asking about what was the next level up?  Of course it's the Atlantis, 
> and the 56 cm 650B was the right size.  So it got the saddle, all checked 
> out & away the customer went.  On his return, while he & Roman discussed 
> the differences between Atlantis & Appaloosa, and Roman worked up a couple 
> of sample builds for him, I took off on the Atlantis, "just for fun".  Oh 
> boy, was that a most pleasant surprise!
>
> I've had my 58 cm, 700c wheeled Atlantis since 2003.  We've covered a lot 
> of ground.  By the time I got to the end of the building, I thought "this 
> is really different, in a really GOOD way".  The bike felt more responsive 
> in all respects.  It was shod with chubbier tires than the 40 mms on my 
> bike.  Of course it had no load, just a small front rack.  Being new, all 
> the clicks clicked perfectly and the brakes braked.  Still, it was the RIDE 
> that was noticeable.  
>
> The smaller wheel size must have something to do with it.  The chainstays 
> are 2 cm longer than mine.  The TT has a tad more slope.  What other subtle 
> improvements have been made to take an already fine riding bike & turn it 
> into a magical experience?  Normally I'm quite skeptical of small changes 
> making big differences in already nice things, but in this case it's 
> definitely change for the better.  
>
> BTW, Roman found a green Appaloosa frame that the customer couldn't take 
> his eyes off of.  My guess is he's close to New Bike Day.  Maybe Roman will 
> post photos?
>
> dougP
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[Patrick Moore]

That's not a bad article, though some of both the pro's and con's are
nit-picky and not of real importance in real life -- eg, on the "pro" side,
that you can slap reflective tap on your rims' braking surface. Sure, I
choose my brakes based on reflective tape; and in fact, the light disc rims
don't bother with brake tracks. (And not all light disc rims are carbon
fiber, tho' this has me wondering about some nice carbon fiber 29er rims --
lessee, 40 mm wide, 375 grams ...). And on the "con" side, harder to
maintain and more complex than rim or drum brakes. Not quite; cantis, at
least for the masses? Getting the effing little cable hook re-attached on V
brakes? Drum brakes? *Drum brakes?*

Also: " they're only slightly less maddening than a chain case to remove
and replace a wheel.  I've yet to do so without a work stand and tools,
since the caliper has required re-centering every time the rear wheel is
replaced.  Rim and drum brakes don't have this problem, and they can be
used with existing framesets."

What world is he from? That's bogus! At least, it applies only to an
alternative universe. It's easier to remove and re-install a wheel with all
the discs I've used, than with cantis or V brakes and this with rear-ward
facing dropouts, too. True, you need a certain finesse -- you can't just
shove the damned thing in anywhichway, but it's certainly no harder than
getting a 32 mm tire in between the pads of a caliper brake.

But I do really think that, on the whole, he gives discs their due.


On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
> Here's another perspective on the pro/con .
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/disc-brakes.html
>
>
>   The more I acquaint myself with disc brakes pros and cons I can see
> where GP is coming from in not offering discs. For the intended uses and
> ride qualities of a frame of his design yeah, I can where there would be
> some changes required that do not agree with this.  It's just not as simple
> as slapping on disc mounts as is.
>
>   So the merits/demerits of disc brakes along is not the matter here, it's
> "are they suitable for intention GP has for his frame designs ?"
>
>Well gee, who am I to question what someone else intends ?   Laughable
> !.. utterly Laughable !!!
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Re: [RBW] 650B Atlantis

[drew]

This is really cool to hear. I put a 650b Atlantis on order a few weeks ago to 
replace my hunq. One of the main things I was hoping for over my 700c/29er 
hunqapillar, that I love dearly, is responsiveness. 

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Re: [RBW] Help identify bottle holder from Roman's staff bikes

[Mike Williams]

Hey Nathaniel,  if you ride with a basket,  you can strap it to that,  it keeps 
it a little more outta the way of your knees.   -Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:26 PM, nathaniel nichols  wrote:
> 
> Another thing to consider is they get in the way of your knees if you climb 
> out of the saddle a lot. I climb like that and that's the reason I don't use 
> bartenders, every single fricken time I get up out of the saddle my knee hits 
> those things. I picked up one of those rock climbing chalk holders from a 
> garage sale and tried it out. so luckily it wasn't an expensive experiment
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[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[Garth]

Here's another perspective on the pro/con .

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/disc-brakes.html


  The more I acquaint myself with disc brakes pros and cons I can see where 
GP is coming from in not offering discs. For the intended uses and ride 
qualities of a frame of his design yeah, I can where there would be some 
changes required that do not agree with this.  It's just not as simple as 
slapping on disc mounts as is.

  So the merits/demerits of disc brakes along is not the matter here, it's 
"are they suitable for intention GP has for his frame designs ?"  

   Well gee, who am I to question what someone else intends ?   Laughable 
!.. utterly Laughable !!! 

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[RBW] Help identify bottle holder from Roman's staff bikes

[nathaniel nichols]

Another thing to consider is they get in the way of your knees if you climb out 
of the saddle a lot. I climb like that and that's the reason I don't use 
bartenders, every single fricken time I get up out of the saddle my knee hits 
those things. I picked up one of those rock climbing chalk holders from a 
garage sale and tried it out. so luckily it wasn't an expensive experiment

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[RBW] Discs versus calipers

[Jesse]

I've heard a handful of folks on either the iBOB or 650b groups say their Riv 
forks are too stout for their liking. Makes me wonder how much compliance a 
full blown low trail Jeff Lyon fork or somesuch has compared to the average Riv.

No experience w/ disc, but I'm guessing running fat tires tubeless @ low PSI 
compensates a bit for the overbuilt nature of disc forks.

I remember Matt Chester talking about why he preferred rim brakes.. something 
to the effect of disc use stressing the frame. Pretty sure Grant mentions this 
issue as well. Have always wondered if this is just a convenient data point for 
folks in the rim brake camp, or if it's a serious thing that would cause frame 
issues down the road.

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Re: [RBW] 650B Atlantis

[Mike Williams]

Doug,  its impressive to hear this story coming from you!   More than anyone on 
the list,  I think of you as more resolute about your Atlantis being capable 
for all of the kind of riding that you love to do.   When we all talk about 
different models or even brands and ride characteristics, you always pop into 
my head as' yeah, but is it going to offer me anything that my Atlantis 
doesnt'? And I totally agree with that reasoning!  Are you going to be in the 
N+1 crowd?!  -Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> 
> On my way to the West Point Inn weekend, I stopped by RBWHQ just to hang out 
> & check out all the new goodies.  As luck would have it, Roman was working 
> with a potential customer, helping him sort out the Appaloosa, Atlantis & 
> Clem question.  The guy had been riding old bikes for a long time & felt it 
> was about time to get something really nice.  After he took off on Grant's 
> personal Appaloosa (he intends to commute so all the junk on the bike was a 
> good simulated load), Roman walked me thru all the changes on the new 
> Atlantis & offered to slap a saddle on a 56 cm , 650B.  Since I really wasn't 
> buying anything, I declined the ride.  
> 
> After a while the guy came back, thoroughly smitten with the Appaloosa, and 
> asking about what was the next level up?  Of course it's the Atlantis, and 
> the 56 cm 650B was the right size.  So it got the saddle, all checked out & 
> away the customer went.  On his return, while he & Roman discussed the 
> differences between Atlantis & Appaloosa, and Roman worked up a couple of 
> sample builds for him, I took off on the Atlantis, "just for fun".  Oh boy, 
> was that a most pleasant surprise!
> 
> I've had my 58 cm, 700c wheeled Atlantis since 2003.  We've covered a lot of 
> ground.  By the time I got to the end of the building, I thought "this is 
> really different, in a really GOOD way".  The bike felt more responsive in 
> all respects.  It was shod with chubbier tires than the 40 mms on my bike.  
> Of course it had no load, just a small front rack.  Being new, all the clicks 
> clicked perfectly and the brakes braked.  Still, it was the RIDE that was 
> noticeable.  
> 
> The smaller wheel size must have something to do with it.  The chainstays are 
> 2 cm longer than mine.  The TT has a tad more slope.  What other subtle 
> improvements have been made to take an already fine riding bike & turn it 
> into a magical experience?  Normally I'm quite skeptical of small changes 
> making big differences in already nice things, but in this case it's 
> definitely change for the better.  
> 
> BTW, Roman found a green Appaloosa frame that the customer couldn't take his 
> eyes off of.  My guess is he's close to New Bike Day.  Maybe Roman will post 
> photos?
> 
> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Help identify bottle holder from Roman's staff bikes

[Ron Mc]

  
Randi-Jo bartender bag doesn't even compromise bell position.  It only 
takes up stem

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Re: [RBW] Help identify bottle holder from Roman's staff bikes

[Ron Mc]

and you have how many Randi-Jo Bartender bags on how many bikes? 

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[RBW] Re: Long Time Coming....

[adam leibow]

looks awesome. I just picked up a 60cm cheviot in green from HQ and built 
it up myself as well. it feels pretty good to be so upright, something i 
havent ever experienced on one of my own bikes til now. 

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 10:41:52 PM UTC-7, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>
> I have no idea where to actually begin this post... I rode a Betty Foy 
> around 2010, when I still lived in the Bay Area, but ended up buying a 
> Dutch tank of a bike. That was the third? Fourth? Fifth foray into finding 
> a bike that would recapture the joy I felt riding bikes a decade or more 
> back.
>
> Then, an orange Clementine caught my eye, and the orange Cheviot caught my 
> fancy. And last summer when I was back in CA for my nephew's graduation, I 
> borrowed a friend's car and drove back out to Walnut Creek and rode both of 
> the Orange bikes that had my eye and potentially, my heart. The Clem was 
> fun, but not as smooth as the Cheviot, and my love of lugs and the belief 
> that this was perhaps my last bike, made the Cheviot my choice. 
>
> Still, I didn't order the Cheviot until February of 2016. Well, by 'order' 
> I mean put a meager deposit down on the last of the orange 60cm frames. At 
> least it was sort of mine. And it gave me something to dream about. 
>
> Will, Roman and I decided on the components and it arrived in July. The 
> only thing different from standard was the extra long crank, a bow to my 
> 91.5 PBH. However, having not ridden the component set I picked for more 
> than five minutes, I immediately started to think of what I wanted to 
> change. I always thought Build-a-Bike would be a great idea! Get the frame 
> and then through trial and error, discussion and assessment, arrive at the 
> perfect component sets with your LBS. Over the next months, I, and I mean 
> I, as I did all the work myself, swapped out the handlebars (Albatross for 
> Bosco), brake levers (loved the Paul components levers, shifters (IRD 
> replaced the Sun Race). I already had the Nitto set back seat post. There 
> were intervening iterations of many of the components. Racks... Tires 
> Fenders 
>
> So, with further ado, and with a tip of my cap to Will who fielded many 
> emails from a newbie builder, I give you Heidi. God, I love riding this 
> bike. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Marc40a]

I've have all of the bells mentioned... or should I say, "Hello my name is 
Marc and I'm a bellaholic."

Seriously, I have all of them except for the PDW bell (I have the stem 
spacer version of that bell, the Alexander Graham Bell)  and the Lion. 

The Crane mounted on a quill stem crushes them all -  an authoritative 
sonourous ding that can be heard from a good distance back. 

The PDW (Alexander Graham Bell) is a distant second, the Spur, a distant 
3rd. 

I, too, was enticed by the backstory and engineering aspect of the Spur 
cycle bell but one day I had a moment of clarity that changed everything:

I was commuting home on the bike trail on a hot summer day and came up 
behind a very attractive female jogger. "Perfect, opportunity to use my new 
bell," I thought to myself. "Everyone loves the bell."  Plink, Plink. She 
didn't hear me. A little bit closer Plink Plink Nope. Plink, 
PlinkPlink, Plink... "NOTICE ME" "ACKNOWLEDGE MY PRESENCE". Well, 
eventually she did and it wasn't with a smile. The creepiness and absurdity 
of of the scene struck me  like brick in the head. I was 'that guy'. I saw 
the scene for what it was: A middle aged guy on a bike, vigorously flicking 
his little penis-head shaped bell, smiling like a madman while riding 
behind an attractive female jogger on the bike path. 

I ding loud and proud from as far back as possible now. My bell is a 
thunderous warning, not a creepy plink plink. 





On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 9:08:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Crane bells are super cool and very classy.  It's great they are made in 
> Japan, and I love them.  
>
> BUT
>
> Spur Cycle bells are by far the nicest bike bell I've ever seen.  I bought 
> one from Ocean Air Cycles, because Rob Perks is the man, and I was blown 
> away at how nice this bell in.  It's loud and pure and never makes a peep 
> unless you want it to.  I just picked up a second one from a tiny Berkeley 
> Bike Boutique, just because they had it on the shelf, and I like buying 
> local.  Spur Cycle bells are MUSA and they kick butt.  $50 for a bell may 
> seem perverse to frugal riders, but when you can get the very best anything 
> for $50, that's something.  
>
> https://www.spurcycle.com/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Purple Glorious was Stolen

[Patrick Moore]

Clayton: good for you, man! And the injuries and fright you gave that
stupid kid may well save him from a far worse fate, the hell of a long term
in a modern prison.

Charity is not always "kind".

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 9:21 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Stellar!  It makes me frickin' happy that you got your bike back! I really
> hate bike thieves. I caught some before (they punched my kid, and stole his
> bike) and the rush of revenge when I leapt off my bike at fifteen mph and
> tackled the teen that was riding it, was very primal and shocking. Notice:
> DON'T MESS WITH MY KID. When the cops came, I was sure I was going to jail.
> I tackled a fifteen year old and slid to a stop holding his face down on
> the pavement.  The cops just smiled after I explained the kids injuries,
> and said, "You don't have to stress, I see no problem here. You just busted
> the bike theft gang." The kid was in a group of about ten when I tackled
> him. I jumped up, screaming, "Steal my kids bike you F&%$?!! I'll take you
> all out!"  I was skinned and bleeding and in a primal rage. Four of the
> kids dropped their bikes and started running away. I immediately knew the
> bikes were stolen. I yelled as loud and as crazy sounding as I could.
> "Stop or else!"  To my surprise, they stopped. By pure intensity and
> threats, I controlled all ten 'kids' and walked them the block to a
> supermarket where the employees called the cops.  A week later, I get a
> call from the kids mom. She begged and pleaded with me to drop the charges
> and I refused. She then turned to threats and told me that the kids father
> was in prison for murder and his uncle, who was in prison for armed robbery
> would be getting out soon. I laughed and said, "Bring it. I'll be
> waiting..and armed."  That was the last I ever dealt with bike thieves.
> Sorry about your face kid, but I hoped you learned a lesson. I ALWAYS
> (except bikepacking) use a high rated U-lock and never leave my bike out of
> the public eye. I have pitlocks on my wheels and seat. A friend recently
> had his bike, that was locked to his bike rack on his car with a cable
> lock, stolen. Cable locks are worthless. They can be cut quickly and easily
> with a small set of bolt cutters that can be hidden under a shirt. Here in
> Bend, we have a rash of bike thefts from time to time. Usually from the
> back or top of vehicles that are secured with a cable lock. The tourists
> make it too easy.
>
> Clayton (Bendite)
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[RBW] Re: My Purple Glorious was Stolen

[Philip Williamson]

Great news about the Glorius, bummer about Evan's Superleicht. 
I'll keep an eye open for it. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 12:00:01 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Fantastic news! Terrific team effort.
>
> While we're on the subject of bike theft, please keep a look out for my 
> Rivish Austro-Daimler Superleicht (picture attached). Stolen from my garage 
> (yes, it was locked, but even a stout cable lock is no match for bolt 
> cutters) in North Beach, San Francisco, on June 19th. The bike was 
> registered at BikeIndex.org, and I filed a police report and posted a 
> "stolen!" notice on Craigslist. What I need now is for Brad, Andy, Will, 
> Chalida, TR, and every other Bay Area lister to search everywhere. Hey, you 
> never know. Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Long Time Coming....

[Ryan Fleming]

Classy bike! Many happy miles !

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:58:29 PM UTC-5, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>
> Oh, that is just the tip of the story! I went through a Raleigh RX 1.0, 
> Trek Pilot 5.0 WSD (great fit, but skinny tire road bike), a Jamis Coda 
> Elite, Terry Valkyrie, Workcycles Secret Service. I wanted a 'girl' bike 
> after years (heck, my whole life) on men's bikes due to being 5'10" and a 
> PBH of 91.5, further complicated by a 'normal' torso and arms, and 
> longer-than-average femurs. Nothing fit. I used to play "stump the bike 
> store" and watch them scramble (and lie) trying to get a bike to fit me. 
> That's why I swapped out the handlebars on the Cheviot, even the Albatross' 
> were just a little too short to sit comfortably upright given the femur 
> length/arm length opposing measurements. And after a couple of black bikes, 
> I had a "no black" edict, and other the tires (which I considered swapping 
> for gray), there is no black on this bike! 
>
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 7:50:28 AM UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>>
>> Awesome! Nice story.
>>
>> Best,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:27:12 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
>>> Beautiful! 
>>>
>>> Tailwinds, Shoji
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 1:41:52 AM UTC-4, Kiley DeMond wrote:

 I have no idea where to actually begin this post... I rode a Betty Foy 
 around 2010, when I still lived in the Bay Area, but ended up buying a 
 Dutch tank of a bike. That was the third? Fourth? Fifth foray into finding 
 a bike that would recapture the joy I felt riding bikes a decade or more 
 back.

 Then, an orange Clementine caught my eye, and the orange Cheviot caught 
 my fancy. And last summer when I was back in CA for my nephew's 
 graduation, 
 I borrowed a friend's car and drove back out to Walnut Creek and rode both 
 of the Orange bikes that had my eye and potentially, my heart. The Clem 
 was 
 fun, but not as smooth as the Cheviot, and my love of lugs and the belief 
 that this was perhaps my last bike, made the Cheviot my choice. 

 Still, I didn't order the Cheviot until February of 2016. Well, by 
 'order' I mean put a meager deposit down on the last of the orange 60cm 
 frames. At least it was sort of mine. And it gave me something to dream 
 about. 

 Will, Roman and I decided on the components and it arrived in July. The 
 only thing different from standard was the extra long crank, a bow to my 
 91.5 PBH. However, having not ridden the component set I picked for more 
 than five minutes, I immediately started to think of what I wanted to 
 change. I always thought Build-a-Bike would be a great idea! Get the frame 
 and then through trial and error, discussion and assessment, arrive at the 
 perfect component sets with your LBS. Over the next months, I, and I mean 
 I, as I did all the work myself, swapped out the handlebars (Albatross for 
 Bosco), brake levers (loved the Paul components levers, shifters (IRD 
 replaced the Sun Race). I already had the Nitto set back seat post. There 
 were intervening iterations of many of the components. Racks... Tires 
 Fenders 

 So, with further ado, and with a tip of my cap to Will who fielded many 
 emails from a newbie builder, I give you Heidi. God, I love riding this 
 bike. 




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Re: [RBW] 650B Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps the longer stays help? I know that my 2 later customs, with 44.5 cm
stays, handle much better than the shorter stayed '95 custom (~42.5) and
even than the Ram (43.5). And this despite what some would say are less
than optimal wheels -- ranging in size from 24" to 25" depending on tire,
currently 24.5" actual diameter. They are unerring straight or turning.

I've also found that weight distribution has a great deal to do with it;
that is, weight distribution relative to the geometry in question. There's
no doubt that my 2 customs handle better with a lower bar and more weight
on the front wheel -- sit up and beg, and the front end gets a wee bit
light for ideal handling.

But to improve on what has been a long-time Rivendell benchmark, that's
rather impressive. I'd be interested in others' impressions comparing the
old versus new, and 700C versus 650B.

Perhaps Rivendell staff can speak up?


On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:44 PM, dougP  wrote:

>
> The smaller wheel size must have something to do with it.  The chainstays
> are 2 cm longer than mine.  The TT has a tad more slope.  What other subtle
> improvements have been made to take an already fine riding bike & turn it
> into a magical experience?  Normally I'm quite skeptical of small changes
> making big differences in already nice things, but in this case it's
> definitely change for the better.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] 650B Atlantis

[dougP]

On my way to the West Point Inn weekend, I stopped by RBWHQ just to hang 
out & check out all the new goodies.  As luck would have it, Roman was 
working with a potential customer, helping him sort out the Appaloosa, 
Atlantis & Clem question.  The guy had been riding old bikes for a long 
time & felt it was about time to get something really nice.  After he took 
off on Grant's personal Appaloosa (he intends to commute so all the junk on 
the bike was a good simulated load), Roman walked me thru all the changes 
on the new Atlantis & offered to slap a saddle on a 56 cm , 650B.  Since I 
really wasn't buying anything, I declined the ride.  

After a while the guy came back, thoroughly smitten with the Appaloosa, and 
asking about what was the next level up?  Of course it's the Atlantis, and 
the 56 cm 650B was the right size.  So it got the saddle, all checked out & 
away the customer went.  On his return, while he & Roman discussed the 
differences between Atlantis & Appaloosa, and Roman worked up a couple of 
sample builds for him, I took off on the Atlantis, "just for fun".  Oh boy, 
was that a most pleasant surprise!

I've had my 58 cm, 700c wheeled Atlantis since 2003.  We've covered a lot 
of ground.  By the time I got to the end of the building, I thought "this 
is really different, in a really GOOD way".  The bike felt more responsive 
in all respects.  It was shod with chubbier tires than the 40 mms on my 
bike.  Of course it had no load, just a small front rack.  Being new, all 
the clicks clicked perfectly and the brakes braked.  Still, it was the RIDE 
that was noticeable.  

The smaller wheel size must have something to do with it.  The chainstays 
are 2 cm longer than mine.  The TT has a tad more slope.  What other subtle 
improvements have been made to take an already fine riding bike & turn it 
into a magical experience?  Normally I'm quite skeptical of small changes 
making big differences in already nice things, but in this case it's 
definitely change for the better.  

BTW, Roman found a green Appaloosa frame that the customer couldn't take 
his eyes off of.  My guess is he's close to New Bike Day.  Maybe Roman will 
post photos?

dougP

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[RBW] Re: Key Characteristics of a #mannyride

[Bill Lindsay]

This isn't exactly a characteristic of a #mannyride, but this exchange 
happened several years ago between me and my son Henry, who was 12 or so at 
the time.  
Henry:  When are we going bike camping with Manny again?
Me:  I don't know, son
Henry:  How do you know when a bike camping ride is going to happen?
Me:  Manny texts me
Henry:  Oh

Henry:  Has Manny texted you?

I guess the characteristic is that kids (of all ages) that go on a 
#mannyride want to go on another #mannyride

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 5:49:44 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> For those who have participated, what makes a #mannyride a #mannyride?

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[RBW] Re: Long Time Coming....

[dougP]

Goes to show there's more than one way to Build-a-Bike.  Great job, and 
thanks for sharing your process.  Others may find that encouraging and 
interesting.  

dougP

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 10:41:52 PM UTC-7, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>
> I have no idea where to actually begin this post... I rode a Betty Foy 
> around 2010, when I still lived in the Bay Area, but ended up buying a 
> Dutch tank of a bike. That was the third? Fourth? Fifth foray into finding 
> a bike that would recapture the joy I felt riding bikes a decade or more 
> back.
>
> Then, an orange Clementine caught my eye, and the orange Cheviot caught my 
> fancy. And last summer when I was back in CA for my nephew's graduation, I 
> borrowed a friend's car and drove back out to Walnut Creek and rode both of 
> the Orange bikes that had my eye and potentially, my heart. The Clem was 
> fun, but not as smooth as the Cheviot, and my love of lugs and the belief 
> that this was perhaps my last bike, made the Cheviot my choice. 
>
> Still, I didn't order the Cheviot until February of 2016. Well, by 'order' 
> I mean put a meager deposit down on the last of the orange 60cm frames. At 
> least it was sort of mine. And it gave me something to dream about. 
>
> Will, Roman and I decided on the components and it arrived in July. The 
> only thing different from standard was the extra long crank, a bow to my 
> 91.5 PBH. However, having not ridden the component set I picked for more 
> than five minutes, I immediately started to think of what I wanted to 
> change. I always thought Build-a-Bike would be a great idea! Get the frame 
> and then through trial and error, discussion and assessment, arrive at the 
> perfect component sets with your LBS. Over the next months, I, and I mean 
> I, as I did all the work myself, swapped out the handlebars (Albatross for 
> Bosco), brake levers (loved the Paul components levers, shifters (IRD 
> replaced the Sun Race). I already had the Nitto set back seat post. There 
> were intervening iterations of many of the components. Racks... Tires 
> Fenders 
>
> So, with further ado, and with a tip of my cap to Will who fielded many 
> emails from a newbie builder, I give you Heidi. God, I love riding this 
> bike. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help identify bottle holder from Roman's staff bikes

[John]

   Randi Jo is the best! Her caps are the best made bike caps I own, we 
have her bartender and M.U.T. bags on all our bikes, and she made me custom 
saddle covers for my Gilles Berthoud saddles.

   I've tried other bags, but our Randi Jo & Sackville bags are our most 
used favorites.

John

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-7, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> On the staff bikes page it shows Roman's Sam hillborne with a bottle 
> holder attached to stem and handlebars
>
> Can anyone identify it? It looks awesome
>
> Thanks !
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Key Characteristics of a #mannyride

[dougP]

Little planning, much randomness, memorable photos, all accomplished by 
UN-scheduling.  

If you're good, you get a Pooh bear.

dougP

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 5:49:44 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> For those who have participated, what makes a #mannyride a #mannyride?

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[RBW] Re: Key Characteristics of a #mannyride

[Clayton.sf]

As with any ride, the key to remember is that "it does not have to be fun 
to be fun".

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:12:54 AM UTC-7, jenny klug wrote:
>
> a #mannyride usually also involves the term, "there's just one more hill 
> after this one, and it's not bad," and also grinning so much your face 
> hurts later. :)
>
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 5:49:44 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> For those who have participated, what makes a #mannyride a #mannyride?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Help identify bottle holder from Roman's staff bikes

[Ron Mc]

I can't imagine selling a bartender bag. Have one on every bike. Great for 
wallet, keys and cellphone, and doubles for a spare water bottle

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[RBW] Re: Help identify bottle holder from Roman's staff bikes

[jenny klug]

it's a randi jo bartender bag! i have one too, and i love it. i have it on 
good authority that we'll be carrying a special RBW edition Pocket 'Tender 
(bartender with pockets!) coming later this fall (in time for the 
holidays). stay tuned.

--jenny @ RBW

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 3:02:10 PM UTC-7, A. Nostuh wrote:
>
> On the staff bikes page it shows Roman's Sam hillborne with a bottle 
> holder attached to stem and handlebars
>
> Can anyone identify it? It looks awesome
>
> Thanks !
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Key Characteristics of a #mannyride

[jenny klug]

a #mannyride usually also involves the term, "there's just one more hill 
after this one, and it's not bad," and also grinning so much your face 
hurts later. :)

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 5:49:44 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
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> For those who have participated, what makes a #mannyride a #mannyride?

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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Ken Yokanovich]

My eldest daughter was generous enough to have purchased a Spur Cycle bell 
for me for Christmas. It's a special bell in many ways; MUSA, aesthetically 
attractive, well made, sounds amazing, and was a gift from one of my 
favorite people in the world.  It deserved a special bike, which turned out 
to be the HubbuHubbuH tandem that I enjoy riding with my other daughter.  
Since it is a tandem that begs to be ridden whimsically with two sets of 
bars, we've adorned it with 4 bells.  The Spur Cycle, the Crane Clone, a 
Crane Jingler, and a cheapy New Belgium brewing jingler.  All four are fun, 
but the Spur Cycle is the best one of the lot


On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:08:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Crane bells are super cool and very classy.  It's great they are made in 
> Japan, and I love them.  
>
> BUT
>
> Spur Cycle bells are by far the nicest bike bell I've ever seen.  I bought 
> one from Ocean Air Cycles, because Rob Perks is the man, and I was blown 
> away at how nice this bell in.  It's loud and pure and never makes a peep 
> unless you want it to.  I just picked up a second one from a tiny Berkeley 
> Bike Boutique, just because they had it on the shelf, and I like buying 
> local.  Spur Cycle bells are MUSA and they kick butt.  $50 for a bell may 
> seem perverse to frugal riders, but when you can get the very best anything 
> for $50, that's something.  
>
> https://www.spurcycle.com/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: What are the uses of a mini rack (like Mark's)

[Ron Mc]

Ash, 
A velcro strap between downtube and front wheel will solve the weight swing 
problem.  
Other choice is a double kickstand.  

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[RBW] Re: What are the uses of a mini rack (like Mark's)

[Surlyprof]

As others mentioned, I also use mine for mounting lights (on Paul's Gino 
light mounts) and as a base for a Wald basket.  Never committed to the 
zip-tied Wald.  I use a John's Irish Strap for easy on/off.  I've come up 
with a few more secure ways since this photo was 
taken: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16159037984/in/dateposted-public/

John

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 12:40:02 AM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> They make the bike look cooler, but can they be used for anything else 
> than holding a basket (like Wald's wire basket) ?
>
>
>

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