[RBW] Re: Sunrace make good cassettes?

[lum gim fong]

Yeah, I checked t-count, tooth jump counts between cogs to match what I like, 
and gear inches to get the range I need to stay on the big ring for everything 
south of 7 or 8% climbing grades.
Still on the fence about the 32 vs. 34. Not sure if I need to go 34. I think it 
is a 2.5 gear inch diff. I don't know if that will be noticeable on sub7% 
grades or not.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Joe Bernard]

I assure you, you are the first person to ever call a folder a circus bike ;-)

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[RBW] Cheviotlantis

[Joe Bernard]

No, it doesn't bother me. The seller mentions health problems..I'm assuming the 
bolt-upright seating position was an attempt to make it ridable. Nice bike. 

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[RBW] Re: S24O Report: Avoiding the Toilet-Eating-Bog by Bikepacking to Another

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I suspected Patrick. "God's Grandeur" is a personal favorite.


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[RBW] Cheviotlantis

[WETH]

Phillip,
Absolutely! I was referring to the frame color.  I have a green 60cm Cheviot 
and love riding it. 

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[RBW] Cheviotlantis

[Philip Williamson]

No one else thinks the seat, angle, and backwards seatpost is a real turnoff? 

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[Ron Mc]

ps - when I cleaned an oiled chain in an ultrasonic, I got almost a 
teaspoon of hard grit (sand) and metal wear particles in the bottom of the 
beaker.  

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[RBW] Re: Sunrace make good cassettes?

[lum gim fong]

Thanks, Steve

This cassette is for my 24/40 compact cranks. So I need the 11 to get me in 
the 94" range with my 650B x 40 tires so I don't spin out too, too soon on 
the long downhills.
Also, on the other end of the cassette, I am a weakling rider and need the 
32 cog to get up local hills and still stay in the big ring. Thus the wide 
range to stay in one ring.
I use the 24 ring as a physical-gear-dump-bail-out on anything over 8% 
grades so I don't blow up and can get to the top without gasping for air.
Huffing and puffing on rides too many times on 8%+ hills means me blowing 
up before the ride is through. So I like to take it easy on the steep stuff.

I don't know how people do mountainous centuries with 39/53 and 11-27 
cassettes. I could not even ride my local hills with that gearing.

Now with my 24-36-46 triple, I use a 7-speed 13-30. I spin out a little 
early for my taste, but tolerably so with that setup. I just coast when I 
get to 30mph.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[Ron Mc]

I shared these photos with Patrick.  
After a 1000 mi run on Molten Speed Wax, extended with Clean Ride, I 
cleaned my chain in an ultrasonic.  



this was all that was in the bottom of the beaker after 1000 mi.  



Here's my clean chain in the molten speed wax.  

You slide it around a bit in the molten wax, every 5 min or so, to make 
sure everything gets wetted.  

I have a dedicated fork and leather gloves for handling the hot waxed 
chain.  

I hang it on pegboard hooks until its cool, then you have to break each 
link free.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[Ron Mc]

Patrick, instead of oily, I would call the way it feels soapy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[Ron Mc]

Ann, I use a cheap double boiler, two $3 porcelain coated sauce pans. I heat 
the water to deaeration, onset of fine bubbles, and idle it there. Chain goes 
in for a half hour. You need a half pound of wax, later let it cool, and store 
it in the cheap sauce pan to use again.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[Patrick Moore]

I've used old ornamental candles -- lavender, pastel green, rose, yellow;
and cinnamon, vanilla, floral and all sorts of scents -- that a co-worker
used to scavenge for me; but these seemed to be a bit "sticky" and I'm not
sure that plain old canning paraffin that I used to find in a nearby
grocery store, wasn't better in both penetrating to the inside of the
chain, or at least keeping the outside free from anything that attracts
grit. Neither kept the chain quiet very long, though, which is why I bought
the Molten Speed Wax.

I use an old crockpot from a thrift store and yes, waxing chains will mess
it up!

Note that older crockpots had a lower "low" than modern ones, which by
Government demand, now reach a very slow simmer on "low", while before they
were sub-simmer. I don't know if this is a fire danger; I often use mine on
"high". Does anyone know?

Otherwise, many people used a double boiler of some sort: say a larger pan
full of water with a smaller saucepan in it. Me, I prefer a crockpot.

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> Just candle paraffin?  Is there a particular brand?  And how much does it
> mess up the crockpot?
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 11:53:15 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, at the recommendation of Ron McAlpin, I bought a pound of "Molten
>> Speed Wax" from Amazon -- $19.99, and I tossed a little something else into
>> the shopping cart to qualify for free shipping. I ride in very dusty and
>> gritty conditions and wanted something that keeps the outside of the chain
>> cleaner than even the driest "dry" or "wax based" drip-on lubes, but that
>> lasted longer than plain paraffin, which I used for years.
>>
>> It's paraffin mixed with something else that is supposed to make it a
>> more effective lube than other types, and still keep the outside of the
>> chain free of dirt as does plain paraffin. They don't say what they add to
>> the paraffin to make it "Speed Wax." Lembas, perhaps. It comes granulated
>> in a 1 lb bag.
>>
>> After applying in a crockpot and drying, the chain feels slightly
>> "oilier" than when waxed with plain paraffin.
>>
>> I've only put 15 or 20 miles on the newly waxed chain, but most of these
>> miles in very dusty dirt -- silty sand. The chain isn't as clean as with
>> plain paraffin, but it seems more quiet.
>>
>> IME, if you want to keep the outside of your chain almost perfectly free
>> from sand, even after 100 miles of riding in very silty, dusty sand, plain
>> paraffin is the cleanest; but alas, also in my experience, it doesn't do a
>> very good job of lubing the insides and I had to relube every 100 miles or
>> even more frequently after the chain started grumbling.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:34 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect you're right.  I rode to work this morning against an 18 mph
>>> headwind that was coming at me diagonally (which made balancing
>>> interesting).  Sand was peppering my legs and I had a layer at the end of
>>> my ride.  It looks like my best bet is to go with the wax products
>>> mentioned before and be extra vigilant about cleaning the bike.
>>>
>>> I appreciate the advice from all.  If this is the price of the ride,
>>> it's well worth it.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:05:28 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote:

 Well, that's better than actually riding on the beach, but a fender and
 flap is not going to help much since the sand will blow onto the drive
 train.  A fender and flap will cut down on spray, but not so much flying
 sand.  You could try a dry wax lube and regular brushing of the chain and
 cassette.  I'm more concerned with keeping the rust at bay.


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[RBW] Re: Cheviotlantis

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Keith.  At the top it says "local pickup only," and I didn't see 
the contradictory bit at the end of the description.  I guess I need to go 
back and look at it more carefully.  

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:17:14 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
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> Actually, it says free shipping anywhere in US.  I looked too, but can't 
> afford at the moment.   You, however,  are out of excuses. ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

I really thought long and hard about it... one of them has to go. I like
this frame and ride more, but the other one fits fatter tires and that fits
my life more. I VERY much considered a B conversion on it, but ended up
riding my Salsa w/ road+ tires/wheels, and am only 1/2 way sold on the
idea. 700C works better for me, although I need tubeless for 'round these
parts. What it comes down to is that I'm just not putting road miles on.
This one came up shortest.

I can see at some point that along with this one, selling both my other Riv
and Salsa, and then getting a custom that combines the best of all three:
modern threadless steerer on a flexible fork, maybe disc brakes, clearance
for fat tires, light & flexy frame. Means another custom, but that bike
would replace three. That's all down the road a ways, as my head is in MTB
land now. I pretty much only want to ride dirt, and have been going up to
the local mountains (Big Bear) to ride there every weekend.

So yeah, as everyone can read, I've put some time and thought into this,
and am not doing it on a whim. This will be a great bike for someone, and I
think it is priced very well with all the Nitto parts and quality Dura Ace
components. Yeah, it's nine speed, but it's basically be best nine speed
you can get with Ti cassette, freehub, and TA cranks. Very well thought out
and integrated in one classic package. Just needs to find that right
someone!

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a beautiful bike. I'm a little shocked that it's on the block -
> breaking up the twins!
> I understand the need to get a shed bike out and away, though, and under a
> rider where it belongs. I almost exclusively ride the last bike that got a
> makeover, making me wonder why I have the other three.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:36:45 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> If anyone has ever dreamed of a custom Rivendell, this is it.  They don't
>> come up often, and I'll bet the wait is many months.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom
>>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown
>>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good
>>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the
>>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh).
>>>
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f)
>>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to
>>>mount, ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>>
>>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened
>>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I
>>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever
>>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been
>>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a
>>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a
>>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>>
>>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I
>>> mentioned, it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been
>>> riding almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride
>>> roads, I am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B
>>> tires. If I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with
>>> thicker tubing and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as
>>> well...
>>>
>>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that
>>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other
>>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently
>>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for
>>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>>
>>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one
>>> of multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar
>>> low miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion.
>>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my
>>> fo

[RBW] FS: SON28 Dynamo/XT Wheelset

[Keith Muller]

Wheelset is sold!

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

It's a 'beaut, for sure!

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> That bike is s beautiful.  If it were my size, I would buy it in a
> heart beat.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

Hi John, my PBH is 89 and saddle heigh is 78cm. I run it ~1cm lower than
normal due to IT band issues.
Standover is about 86.5cm.

Any other questions, send them my way!

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> What's your PBH and saddle height?
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[RBW] Re: Cheviotlantis

[iamkeith]

Actually, it says free shipping anywhere in US.  I looked too, but can't afford 
at the moment.   You, however,  are out of excuses. ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Wald 257 rack

[Shawn Granton]

I've had a Wald 257 on my Raleigh Crested Butte for over a year and LOVE 
IT. It is quite the heavy-duty rack, and HEAVY (I'm guessing about 8 
pounds) but it definitely hauls the stuff.

As for the struts being "flimsy": I STRONGLY disagree. The struts are stout 
and also adjustable, so a variety of heights can be accommodated. I'm 
guessing that the struts are steel, but I won't know for sure until I go 
home to check. And it also makes a convenient place to mount a light.

For those of you comparing this rack to other Wald baskets: *It's 
different. *Everything is beefier, including the tubing on the "basket" 
part, and the struts.

yours,
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[cyclotourist]

Guilty of all the above. The Glorius is so amaze-balls, but it gets used
less than this bike... if we go somewhere we're on our tandem. She doesn't
ride solo at all. She doesn't want to sell it though. :-)

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> tell me your wife still has her pink glorius :) and you still have 2, I
> think quickbeams
>
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:13:58 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> I really do love this bike. But it's literally hanging in the garage
>> collecting dust and cobwebs. I'm not just blowing smoke when I say that
>> it's a joy to ride. Definitely faster and spryer than my other bikes. And
>> having it built by the same guy in the same year as my other custom build
>> was just a great bonus. My other custom is definitely stouter and designed
>> to be a trail/multi-surface bike.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, transportation up the 101 as far north as Santa
>> Cruz can be arranged. Will happily knock $100 off the price.
>>
>> I also have a Brooks B17 Champion Special as well as a Professional that
>> arrangements can be made for. More saddles than I can sit on at one time!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:18:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Can't believe you're getting rid of thisI'm sure it'll make someone
>>> very happy!Nice build. Hopefully there will be no seller's remorse
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:

 My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom
 Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown
 tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good
 condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the
 right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh).

- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
- Dura Ace titanium cassette
- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f)
- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to
mount, ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
- Chris King no logo headset
- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
- Shimano PD A530 pedals
- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain

 This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened
 tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I
 assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever
 possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been
 installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a
 delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a
 light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!

 So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I
 mentioned, it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been
 riding almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride
 roads, I am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B
 tires. If I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with
 thicker tubing and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as
 well...

 What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that
 this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other
 bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently
 enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for
 my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).

 I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one
 of multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar
 low miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion.
 Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my
 fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used
 when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most
 part) on roads.

 I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It
 performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a
 B-sized fleet and want to add to it.

 Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like
 the Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could
 possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.

 More pics on request!

 [image: Inl

[RBW] Re: Cheviotlantis

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I saw it and considered it for about 3 seconds until I saw that it's 
pick-up only in North Carolina.  It does look good.  

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[RBW] Re: FS - For sale, rivendell atlantis,

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What Mike said---you need to price it.  

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[RBW] UnRacer community in SLC?

[Keenan Cummings]

It's kinda easy to draw a map of Riv-style riders just based on where the 
bike shops are that build these kinds of bikes. We have plenty here in the 
bay, and I've found a good handful on Instagram across the states. 

As far as I can tell, the bike shops in SLC are your standard fare, which 
often means the riding community is donning spandex and clocking metrics. 
Curious if anyone knows what bike life is like in Salt Lake City and Utah 
in general for the UnRacer.

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[RBW] FS - For sale, rivendell atlantis,

[Carla Waugh]

Beautiful!

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[RBW] Re: FS - For sale, rivendell atlantis,

[Julian Westerhout]

Michael, 

The list norm is to state an asking price, and it might be a good idea to 
say where you (and the bike) are located. It looks like a nice bike -- a 
drive-side photo might be good, too. 

Best of luck with the sale. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL  

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 6:13:23 PM UTC-5, Michael Battani wrote:
>
> For sale, rivendell atlantis, 60cm, leather seat, great condition.  Nice 
> randonneur bike, comfortable.  It currently has shimano pedals.  The rims 
> are mavic and I have the current rims that originally came with the bike. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just candle paraffin?  Is there a particular brand?  And how much does it 
mess up the crockpot?

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 11:53:15 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> FWIW, at the recommendation of Ron McAlpin, I bought a pound of "Molten 
> Speed Wax" from Amazon -- $19.99, and I tossed a little something else into 
> the shopping cart to qualify for free shipping. I ride in very dusty and 
> gritty conditions and wanted something that keeps the outside of the chain 
> cleaner than even the driest "dry" or "wax based" drip-on lubes, but that 
> lasted longer than plain paraffin, which I used for years.
>
> It's paraffin mixed with something else that is supposed to make it a more 
> effective lube than other types, and still keep the outside of the chain 
> free of dirt as does plain paraffin. They don't say what they add to the 
> paraffin to make it "Speed Wax." Lembas, perhaps. It comes granulated in a 
> 1 lb bag.
>
> After applying in a crockpot and drying, the chain feels slightly "oilier" 
> than when waxed with plain paraffin.
>
> I've only put 15 or 20 miles on the newly waxed chain, but most of these 
> miles in very dusty dirt -- silty sand. The chain isn't as clean as with 
> plain paraffin, but it seems more quiet.
>
> IME, if you want to keep the outside of your chain almost perfectly free 
> from sand, even after 100 miles of riding in very silty, dusty sand, plain 
> paraffin is the cleanest; but alas, also in my experience, it doesn't do a 
> very good job of lubing the insides and I had to relube every 100 miles or 
> even more frequently after the chain started grumbling.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:34 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I suspect you're right.  I rode to work this morning against an 18 mph 
>> headwind that was coming at me diagonally (which made balancing 
>> interesting).  Sand was peppering my legs and I had a layer at the end of 
>> my ride.  It looks like my best bet is to go with the wax products 
>> mentioned before and be extra vigilant about cleaning the bike.
>>
>> I appreciate the advice from all.  If this is the price of the ride, it's 
>> well worth it.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:05:28 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, that's better than actually riding on the beach, but a fender and 
>>> flap is not going to help much since the sand will blow onto the drive 
>>> train.  A fender and flap will cut down on spray, but not so much flying 
>>> sand.  You could try a dry wax lube and regular brushing of the chain and 
>>> cassette.  I'm more concerned with keeping the rust at bay.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That bike is s beautiful.  If it were my size, I would buy it in a 
heart beat.

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Re: [RBW] Sunrace make good cassettes?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/01/2017 06:48 PM, lum gim fong wrote:
Deciding to get Shimano HG51 8-speed 11-32 or 11-34 and I see Sunrace 
has same.

Was wondering if they are comparable in quality or not.



I'm using a customized 8 speed 12-32 Sunrace cassette I turned into a 
13-32 on my Jack Taylor.  I like it a lot, every bit as nice as a 
typical Shimano to my eyes.   Dirt cheap, too -- around $20, compared to 
the over $100 the Shimano XTR 12-32, long out of production, goes for on 
ebay NOS, although not as nicely finished as an XTR and heavier because 
no spider, all full size sprockets bolted together.


However, I did talk to someone on a ride last week who tried to use that 
same cassette and, according to her, it was impossible to get proper 
indexing throughout the range because, she alleges, it wasn't spaced 
correctly throughout the range.  Now this puzzles me no end, as I have 
never ever not even once encountered a cassette that had incorrect 
spacers and didn't line up properly for indexing.  I could see, however, 
that if a shop ran a cable incorrectly to the rear derailleur and used 
the "alternate cable routing" that alters cable pull so that, for 
example, you could use an 8 speed shifter on a 7 speed cassette, that 
indexing could end up wrong.


And I have very recent experience with a shop running cables wrong. My 
Jack Taylor has an under-the-bottom bracket shell braezed on cable eye 
for the rear shift cable, but (since it was offered only as a 
single/fixed or 5 speed back in 1963, when it was made) nothing for the 
left side cable.  So I'm using a Campagnolo bolt on cable guide, only 
using a cable on the left.  But the cable kept jumping out when I was 
cresting a hill.  Turns out the shop's head mechanic used the so called 
"alternate cable routing" (suitable, the Internet says, for bikes with 
downtube shifters mounted on top of the downtube) rather than the 
odd-looking but "correct" routing.   When I switched to the correct 
routing, no more cable jumping out.


I asked her if she still had the cassette and said I'd buy it from her, 
but I never heard back.  No idea if the mail went to a dead address or 
she's just ignoring the mail.


But my money is on the shop messing up the cable rather than Sunrace 
messing up the cassette.


My only question is, why an 11T small sprocket.  IMHO unless you've got 
a 17 or 20 inch wheel, they're useless.  I swapped my 1st position 12 
for a 13.


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[RBW] Sunrace make good cassettes?

[lum gim fong]

Deciding to get Shimano HG51 8-speed 11-32 or 11-34 and I see Sunrace has 
same.
Was wondering if they are comparable in quality or not.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Brompton?!!   Take some pictures.   I mean ask someone to take pictures of 
you riding a Brompton :)  I always chuckle when I see someone on a Brompton 
because it reminds of circus!

Hey Christian, is there any easy way for you too share the route you rode? 
 Thanks..

 

On Thursday, 31 August 2017 23:54:14 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I need to do it, too, Ash. It's kinda ridiculous that I live here and 
> haven't ridden most of that route. I need to toss the Brompton in the car 
> and get out there. 

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[RBW] Cheviotlantis

[WETH]

That is down right beautiful!

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Rack Nuts - Pair.

[David Banzer]

Need a pair of Nitto rack nuts.
Like this: 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/nitto-rack-hardware-rack-nut-bolt-each-20184
Riv is out of stock at the moment.
I have a rear rack coming that works with a rear child seat. I'm confident 
that the included mounting hardware that comes with it will not work with 
my Clem.
I'm gonna use Nitto struts, probably overkill but planning on doing 4 total 
struts - 2 to the typical upper rack eyelets, and 2 to the mid seat stay 
eyelets.
Have the struts and a couple rack nuts, just need 2 more of the nuts.
Thanks,
David

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[Ryan Fleming]

Quite the adventure and I'm glad someone found your keys ! great pictures 
and write-up

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 8:41:58 PM UTC-5, christian poppell wrote:
>
> Originally titled this as "Adventures in Single Speeding" but I'm not 
> really sure if single speed counts as I have at least three speeds. They're 
> just not super accessible while underway. Until I think of another term 
> I'll call it single speeding. Also, the account is very San Francisco 
> specific but I've tried to describe it the best that I could. 
>
> I was off the bike for about a week while visiting family in Florida. I 
> did get in a short ride that amounted to 8 miles and about 100' elevation 
> crossing two bridges. When I got back to California I decided to ride the 
> Quickbeam to the top of Mt Tam via railroad grade, then take Coast View 
> down to Muir Beach for a late lunch. From there I could take the headlands 
> dirt or the paved road depending on how I was feeling.
>
> I got a late start Saturday morning. Ate a bigish breakfast and wrote a 
> few post cards. Swung through the post office on my way to bart and got 
> stamps to mail my cards. The BART ride was uneventful and I arrived at 
> Embarcadero station relatively quickly. I took my normal route through the 
> city along Embarcadero, branching off at North Point then over the hill to 
> Fort Mason. I Stopped at the Safeway in the Marina to get some snacks: 
> bananas, bars, cookie, and some cornbread. When I was leaving a woman with 
> a slight accent asked me if the way she locked her bicycle looked good to 
> me. I showed her the Sheldon way of locking (through the rear wheel between 
> the rear triangle) and we began talking. Her name was Marta and she is from 
> Barcelona visiting for a week. We talked about politics and other world 
> events for about two hours. Eventually we parted ways and I headed out 
> along Crissy field up to the bike path where there were swarms of tourists 
> on rental bicycles. I saw only one quick altercation where a road cyclist 
> was chirping at the tourists to get the F out of the way.
>
> After a slow bridge crossing I dipped down in to Sausalito. I had to 
> gently tell a tourist not to use their phone while riding. It was really 
> dangerous moving through Sausalito. Lots of inattentive inexperienced 
> riders with heavy cross winds in the road. I was glad to get out of there.
>
> Fighting a slight headwind, I eventually made it to Mill Valley and on to 
> Old Railroad Grade. I really wasn’t feeling too great on the ride up. I'm 
> not sure if it was the week off the bike or lack of food. I felt pretty 
> gassed. I stopped along the side less than halfway up and ate. After that I 
> felt a little better, but the whole ride up to West Point inn I had to push 
> myself. After the inn I was passed by a guy who was either riding an e-MTB 
> or he was the strongest rider I had ever seen. I’m fairly certain it was 
> the former but I didn’t see him again to ask. Eventually I got into a 
> rhythm near the top. I spoke to a guy with a nice Steve Rex road bike with 
> an older Campagnolo ergo group. Said he had it since the late 90's and 
> enjoyed it very much. It looked like a great bike. 
>
>
>
> 
>
> *Quickbeam at the top of Mt T**amalpais*
>
> Before heading downhill I switched into my freewheel and pumped up my rear 
> tire a bit to avoid pinch flats. I was cruising down and boosting off some 
> of the little berms on railroad grade. The last one I hit a little sideways 
> and almost lost it on the landing. Fun stuff.
>
> Coasted past West Point Inn and down to Pantoll campground. At the 
> intersection I met a guy named Gary who has ridden in the area for a while. 
> He was physics professor that was living in China. His son is also in 
> physics and did his PhD in fluid dynamics. We talked for about an hour or 
> so about the Bay Area and riding.
>
>
>
> 
>
> *taken from the picnic table, SUPER FUN!*
>
> I made it to the Coast View Trail in a heavy fog and light rain. Coast 
> View is one of my favorite rides in the area. It's not so steep that you're 
> constantly braking hard and the trail is a good mix of easy and 
> semi-technical riding, especially on a road bike with larger tires. I 
> pushed myself to go a little faster than normal on the trail as I felt that 
> there weren’t any others using the trail at the later hour (around 6:30pm). 
> Turns out I was right and I hadn’t seen anyone coming the opposite 
> direction since I left the top of Mt. Tam. I rattled my teeth out on the 
> bumpy sections and bunny hopped the water gates. I had a lot of fun and 
> even said it out loud a few times that the trail was awesome!
>
>
>
> 

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Pro 5 Vis ring very out of true or out of round

[Joe Bunik]

IMO, Pro-5 rings have a single proper orientation and 4 unintended
positions. I doubt this will solve your issue, but try for the spot
where the crankarm splits the difference (and so is centered) between
the pair of bolts. At least your setup will look proper! ;-P

=- Joe Bunik
meltdown in
Walnut Creek CA

On 9/1/17, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Yesterday, for the very first time, or at least for the first time in such
> a long time that I can't remember the last time, I threw a chain on one of
> my Rivendell fixies: 48 t Pro 5 Vis ring, the 17 t cog on a 17/19 Dingle.
> Although I was going downhills, I wasn't going fast, so there was no real
> damage done, a few minor scratches on the chainstay.
>
> I examined the chain tension carefully, of course, and notice clearly for
> the first time that the ring is very much out of round: at one point in its
> revolution the chain will be quite slack, at the point of highest tension
> is can be too tight, with no give at all.
>
> So this afternoon I undid all the little *&%#(^#% fiddly bolts to loosen
> it, hoping I could nudge it into a more regular position on the spider;
> nope, even with all the bolts loosened to the point where the ring was
> flopping around, the same slack point and the same tight point.
>
> I took the whole thing apart and will try re-orienting the ring on the
> spider -- ie, lining up different bolt holes on ring with different ones on
> spider, but this is very weird, and here (deep breath) are my questions:
>
> Can rings, and older Pro 5 Vis rings in particular, just be drilled or
> stamped or cut off center?
>
> Is there a magic, lazyman technique to find the best orientation of ring to
> spider without having to ploddingly try each hole in the ring with each
> hole in the spider?
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] FS: SON28 Dynamo/XT Wheelset

[Keith Muller]

Hey all,

I have a wheelset that I'm looking to sell.  

Front Hub:  Schmidt SON28 Dynamo, Silver, 36H, QR
Rear Hub: Shimano Deore XT FH-T780, Silver, 36H, QR
Rims: Velocity NOBS, Silver, 36H
Spokes:  Wheelsmith 14/15g Double Butted, Silver
Nipples:  DT Swiss 14g Brass, Silver, 12mm
Rim Strips: Velox

Photos Available on My Google Drive: 
 https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-2NeF-6iHHVeURPeTEtdmxLb3M


These wheels were built by me.  I've been building wheels for over 20 
years.  They are true, round, dished, and tensioned properly.  I've had 
these wheels on my Appaloosa for about a year and a half.  These wheels 
maybe have seen a thousand miles of use since my Appaloosa was my back up 
bike.  Brake tracks are in great shape and there are many many more miles 
left in this wheelsets life.  $425 will get it shipped to you.  I can find 
you a set of skewers to go with the wheels, but you gotta ask for them and 
I'm not guaranteeing they will match.  I have other items for sale that I 
will have in another post.  Please DM me with any questions.  There are a 
couple RBW list members that have wheels that I have built and know of my 
work.  

Thanks,

Keith 

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[RBW] Re: How Do you like the XD2 wide/low double crank RBW sells?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

That's excactly what I did. Worked fine.
I do still use one of those silly reflector thingies to keep my pants out 
of the way on the rare occasion that I ride in long pants.

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 5:25:43 PM UTC+3, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Gorgeous pic of your crank, Ron!
>
>  So a quick email to Rivendell confirmed that the XT two triple and wide 
> load double are indeed the same crank spiders. And so I ordered a 40 tooth 
> chain ring and I'll keep the 24  that came with my triple on their stock. 
> And I'm going to run the 40 ring with a cassette that gives me the full 
> range I need and then use the 24 rang as a bell out.  I got the bash card 
> too. Hopefully that will be great and winter when I wear long pants and 
> then I won't have to time my pants up anymore to keep them out of the 
> rings. So if this works out great then as the pocket allows I may do a 
> short cage Direlle or in the back and a double D Rehler in the front but 
> only if this works out good and I'm not going to go back to triple.
>

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[RBW] Cheviotlantis

[MartyG]

One of the nicest Cheviot's I've seen. It's on the 'Bay now. 



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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Appaloosa Frameset

[Keith Muller]

Frameset has found a new home.  Thanks for looking all!

Keith

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 3:22:36 PM UTC-5, Keenan Cummings wrote:
>
> I'm in the Bay Area — Berkeley to be exact. I looked it up and looks like 
> shipping a frame can be pretty cheap... <$50-ish
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 12:46:19 PM UTC-7, Keenan Cummings wrote:
>>
>> Hey Keith! Beautiful bike! Curious where you're based, to get a sense of 
>> what shipping would cost.
>>
>> I've been torn btwn the Hunq and Appa but this tips me toward the Appa 
>> direction!
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:35:14 PM UTC-7, Keith Muller wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Looking to move my 62cm Appaloosa frameset.  Making room for a new bike. 
>>>  I really like this bike, but there is lots of overlap between my 
>>> Appaloosa, Atlantis, and Hunqapillar.  This is the one that lost when 
>>> drawing straws.  Frame and fork are in great shape.  I will include the 
>>> headset, bottom bracket and seatpost with the frameset.  $900 plus whatever 
>>> shipping via bike flights is will get it shipped to you.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Pro 5 Vis ring very out of true or out of round

[Patrick Moore]

Yesterday, for the very first time, or at least for the first time in such
a long time that I can't remember the last time, I threw a chain on one of
my Rivendell fixies: 48 t Pro 5 Vis ring, the 17 t cog on a 17/19 Dingle.
Although I was going downhills, I wasn't going fast, so there was no real
damage done, a few minor scratches on the chainstay.

I examined the chain tension carefully, of course, and notice clearly for
the first time that the ring is very much out of round: at one point in its
revolution the chain will be quite slack, at the point of highest tension
is can be too tight, with no give at all.

So this afternoon I undid all the little *&%#(^#% fiddly bolts to loosen
it, hoping I could nudge it into a more regular position on the spider;
nope, even with all the bolts loosened to the point where the ring was
flopping around, the same slack point and the same tight point.

I took the whole thing apart and will try re-orienting the ring on the
spider -- ie, lining up different bolt holes on ring with different ones on
spider, but this is very weird, and here (deep breath) are my questions:

Can rings, and older Pro 5 Vis rings in particular, just be drilled or
stamped or cut off center?

Is there a magic, lazyman technique to find the best orientation of ring to
spider without having to ploddingly try each hole in the ring with each
hole in the spider?

Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Nicely done as always Bill!

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[RBW] WTB: Original Bullmoose, 150 reach

[Joe Bernard]

Anyone? I've lopped a couple inches off my Boscos and it's mostly good now, but 
I still kinda prefer the flattish bar position on my Brompton and Concinnity. I 
might try the Arc Bar from SOMA, but the Riv Bullmoose (out of stock) would 
sure look nifty on my eCLEM L. Hook me up!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam over Mt Tam

[christian poppell]

Thanks Phillip, 

I think for me, riding alone has a lot of advantages. People seem to really 
want to talk, and I don't have any pressure to be anywhere or to ride a 
certain way. I met you and your gang out riding and was able to switch up 
my plans without hesitation. I don't think I've ever met a stranger when on 
a solo ride. Most of my conversations start around the bicycle and maybe 
the fact that my appearance doesn't fit into what a typical cyclist in the 
area looks like. I've met some really great and interesting people and 
that's what I like about cycling is the conversations and exposure to the 
world.

Also, here is a previous write up on a S24O outing on the QB: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/8AYdSsNsh7E

Christian
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Hey Christian, that's a beautiful write-up! It's especially resonant for 
> me, with Mt Tam and the Quickbeam. 
> I love that you put so much energy into conversing with strangers. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[Ryan Fleming]

tell me your wife still has her pink glorius :) and you still have 2, I 
think quickbeams

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:13:58 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> I really do love this bike. But it's literally hanging in the garage 
> collecting dust and cobwebs. I'm not just blowing smoke when I say that 
> it's a joy to ride. Definitely faster and spryer than my other bikes. And 
> having it built by the same guy in the same year as my other custom build 
> was just a great bonus. My other custom is definitely stouter and designed 
> to be a trail/multi-surface bike. 
>
> If anyone is interested, transportation up the 101 as far north as Santa 
> Cruz can be arranged. Will happily knock $100 off the price.
>
> I also have a Brooks B17 Champion Special as well as a Professional that 
> arrangements can be made for. More saddles than I can sit on at one time!
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:18:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Can't believe you're getting rid of thisI'm sure it'll make someone 
>> very happy!Nice build. Hopefully there will be no seller's remorse
>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom 
>>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown 
>>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good 
>>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the 
>>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh). 
>>>
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f) 
>>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to 
>>>mount, ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>>
>>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened 
>>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I 
>>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever 
>>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been 
>>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a 
>>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a 
>>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>>
>>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I 
>>> mentioned, it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been 
>>> riding almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride 
>>> roads, I am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B 
>>> tires. If I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with 
>>> thicker tubing and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as 
>>> well...
>>>
>>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that 
>>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other 
>>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently 
>>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for 
>>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>>
>>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one 
>>> of multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar 
>>> low miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion. 
>>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my 
>>> fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used 
>>> when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most 
>>> part) on roads. 
>>>
>>> I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It 
>>> performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a 
>>> B-sized fleet and want to add to it.
>>>
>>> Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like 
>>> the Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could 
>>> possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.
>>>
>>> More pics on request!
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 2] 
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 3]
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
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[RBW] Re: MMM

[RichS]

Hi Paul:

I better get a mixte because I'm beyond middle age!!!:-) 

If you were on the path paralleling DeKalb then we're in the same geography. 
See you soon!

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Philip Kim]

awesome build!

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever 
> "final", of course, but here we are.  
>
>
>
> 
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>
> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  
>
> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>
> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  
>
> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Justin August]

These bikes are so awesome. That is perfect.

Arg! I want.

-J

On Sep 1, 2017, 10:00 AM -0700, Bill Lindsay , wrote:
> I have in reserve a sapphire blue Flite saddle from ~1997, and I thought 
> about running that to tie in with the Shopsack.  With a Flite saddle on it, I 
> imagine I could get an even higher PMAQ (Patrick Moore Approval Quotient).  
> If this Niner generic saddle isn't perfect, then I'll switch to the Flite or 
> a Black B-17 that is also on-hand.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:55:05 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > Thanks you. I could ride one of those!
> >
> > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is 
> > > > ever "final", of course, but here we are.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of 
> > > > seat lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
> > > >
> > > > Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
> > > > bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with 
> > > > HALO retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.
> > > >
> > > > Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 
> > > > chainrings.  Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 
> > > > 1071 chains (2).  Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp 
> > > > cassette.  SPD pedals
> > > >
> > > > Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
> > > > stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
> > > > hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.
> > > >
> > > > Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
> > > > King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + 
> > > > two coats of clear Bullseye shellac.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
> > > > block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Lindsay
> > > > El Cerrito, CA
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > > > > Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
> > > > >
> > > > >
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[RBW] Re: S24O Report: Avoiding the Toilet-Eating-Bog by Bikepacking to Another

[Deacon Patrick]

Och, aye. We have kindred journeys. "nor can foot feel, being shod." (see 
below for context).

With abandon,
Patrick


God’s Grandeur
THE WORLD is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man’s smudge and shares man’s smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.

And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
   Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.

Hopkins, Gerard Manley. Delphi Complete Works of Gerard Manley Hopkins 
(Illustrated) (Delphi Poets Series Book 31) (Kindle Locations 788-798). 
Delphi Classics. Kindle Edition. 

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:03:39 AM UTC-6, mlpessar wrote:
>
>
>
> Patrick, thank you for the captivating ride report and accompanying 
>> photos. I enjoyed reading it. I appreciate your poetic prose. As this 
>> thread took a literary slant earlier permit me to ask if you read Gerard 
>> Manley Hopkins? If not I think you would appreciate his work.
>>
> Thanks  again for the entertaining read.
>

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

I have in reserve a sapphire blue Flite saddle from ~1997, and I thought 
about running that to tie in with the Shopsack.  With a Flite saddle on it, 
I imagine I could get an even higher PMAQ (Patrick Moore Approval 
Quotient).  If this Niner generic saddle isn't perfect, then I'll switch to 
the Flite or a Black B-17 that is also on-hand.  

BL in EC  

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 9:55:05 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks you. I could ride one of those!
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is 
>> ever "final", of course, but here we are.  
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
>> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>>
>> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
>> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
>> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  
>>
>> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
>> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
>> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>>
>> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
>> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
>> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  
>>
>> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
>> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
>> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
>> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
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>>
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[Philip Williamson]

This is a beautiful bike. I'm a little shocked that it's on the block - 
breaking up the twins!
I understand the need to get a shed bike out and away, though, and under a 
rider where it belongs. I almost exclusively ride the last bike that got a 
makeover, making me wonder why I have the other three. 

Philip
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On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:36:45 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> If anyone has ever dreamed of a custom Rivendell, this is it.  They don't 
> come up often, and I'll bet the wait is many months.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 7:39:26 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> My stunningly beautiful 2001 Joe Stark built, Joe Bell painted, custom 
>> Rivendell with 60.5 X 59 measurements (C to C). Fits 33.33mm Jack Brown 
>> tires. Paint is Rivendell Mithril blue with fancy details in very good 
>> condition. Paint would qualify as excellent except for a few chips on the 
>> right fork leg and one on the top tube (bar flip, errrgh). 
>>
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell 10cm stem
>>- Lugged Nitto/Rivendell seatpost
>>- Nitto 46cm Dirt Drop handlebars
>>- TA Vega cranks with 110bcd spider and 48/34T TA Zephyr chain rings
>>- Dura Ace nine speed drivetrain
>>- Front shifter is a 105 model. No functional difference from DA.
>>- Dura Ace titanium cassette
>>- Dura Ace brake calipers (and I'm pretty sure levers as well)
>>- Dura Ace hubs with Velocity A23 rims and butted spokes (32r/28f) 
>>- Challenge Eroica 700X3C tires with very little wear. Hard to mount, 
>>ride like a dream! Slight surface cracking from lack of use!
>>- Chris King no logo headset
>>- King Cage Iris water bottle cages
>>- Shimano PD A530 pedals
>>- Brand new SRAM PC 971 chain
>>
>> This was built up as a light-weight, go-fast bike. Thin, air-hardened 
>> tubing for light weight and strength at the core of the build. Then I 
>> assembled with well thought-out and light-weight components whenever 
>> possible. There are no rack attachment options, nor have fenders ever been 
>> installed. The Anti-Pillar of Rivendell bikes! That said, it is not a 
>> delicate bike by any means. It is truly the best of both worlds in having a 
>> light-weight, racy bike that you can ride where you want to!
>>
>> So if the bike is so perfect, why get rid of it, you ask? As I mentioned, 
>> it is currently one of six bikes, soon to be seven. I have been riding 
>> almost exclusively dirt for the last few years, and when I do ride roads, I 
>> am riding my Salsa with cross tires or set up tubeless with 650B tires. If 
>> I do want a pure road bike, I have my other Rivendell with thicker tubing 
>> and fatter tires. Frankly, that bike is getting nervous as well...
>>
>> What I will miss is the absolute joy of a light-weight road bike that 
>> this bike provides. Hopping on it and riding fast is amazing. My other 
>> bikes (including Riv's) do not compare. I just don't do that frequently 
>> enough to justify keeping this hanging in the garage. And I need to pay for 
>> my newest bike (A Santa Cruz Chameleon, if you're curious).
>>
>> I am the second owner, and have owned since March of '08. This was one of 
>> multiple bikes and Rivendell's for the first owner, so he put similar low 
>> miles on it. Always a SoCal bike, zero surface rust or corrosion. 
>> Framesaver applied to frame. It is my second Rivendell custom, and my 
>> fourth Rivendell of any type. One of six bikes currently. It was only used 
>> when I was planning on relatively smooth, fast rides staying (for the most 
>> part) on roads. 
>>
>> I ran this bike a a 650B conversion as well (second photo below). It 
>> performed perfectly with no issues. Consider that an option if you run a 
>> B-sized fleet and want to add to it.
>>
>> Price is $2,200 shipped to your door, minus saddle. If you would like the 
>> Brooks Ti Swift saddle, let's talk.Less for pick up in SoCal, could 
>> possibly be delivered over the Labor Day weekend.
>>
>> More pics on request!
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2] 
>>
>> [image: Inline image 3]
>>
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>>
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>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks you. I could ride one of those!

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

>
> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever
> "final", of course, but here we are.
>
>
>
> 
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat
> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>
> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to
> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO
> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.
>
> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.
> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).
> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>
> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged
> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear
> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.
>
> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two
> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two
> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the
> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Help from coastal riders: how to deal with sand?

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, at the recommendation of Ron McAlpin, I bought a pound of "Molten
Speed Wax" from Amazon -- $19.99, and I tossed a little something else into
the shopping cart to qualify for free shipping. I ride in very dusty and
gritty conditions and wanted something that keeps the outside of the chain
cleaner than even the driest "dry" or "wax based" drip-on lubes, but that
lasted longer than plain paraffin, which I used for years.

It's paraffin mixed with something else that is supposed to make it a more
effective lube than other types, and still keep the outside of the chain
free of dirt as does plain paraffin. They don't say what they add to the
paraffin to make it "Speed Wax." Lembas, perhaps. It comes granulated in a
1 lb bag.

After applying in a crockpot and drying, the chain feels slightly "oilier"
than when waxed with plain paraffin.

I've only put 15 or 20 miles on the newly waxed chain, but most of these
miles in very dusty dirt -- silty sand. The chain isn't as clean as with
plain paraffin, but it seems more quiet.

IME, if you want to keep the outside of your chain almost perfectly free
from sand, even after 100 miles of riding in very silty, dusty sand, plain
paraffin is the cleanest; but alas, also in my experience, it doesn't do a
very good job of lubing the insides and I had to relube every 100 miles or
even more frequently after the chain started grumbling.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:34 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I suspect you're right.  I rode to work this morning against an 18 mph
> headwind that was coming at me diagonally (which made balancing
> interesting).  Sand was peppering my legs and I had a layer at the end of
> my ride.  It looks like my best bet is to go with the wax products
> mentioned before and be extra vigilant about cleaning the bike.
>
> I appreciate the advice from all.  If this is the price of the ride, it's
> well worth it.
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:05:28 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>> Well, that's better than actually riding on the beach, but a fender and
>> flap is not going to help much since the sand will blow onto the drive
>> train.  A fender and flap will cut down on spray, but not so much flying
>> sand.  You could try a dry wax lube and regular brushing of the chain and
>> cassette.  I'm more concerned with keeping the rust at bay.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Can you feel a 1.3 gear inch difference going uphill?

[Ron Mc]

part of the reason we ride steel bikes is mash produces planing - cadence 
isn't the answer to everything

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 11:46:57 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> there's also the wheelie factor - even at 25", it's often tough to keep 
> the front end of the bike down without anticipating it.  
>
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 11:45:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> if you continue the lower is better argument, you eventually end up below 
>> 18", and many people can't keep a bike balanced with gearing that low
>>
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[RBW] Re: Can you feel a 1.3 gear inch difference going uphill?

[Ron Mc]

there's also the wheelie factor - even at 25", it's often tough to keep the 
front end of the bike down without anticipating it.  

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 11:45:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> if you continue the lower is better argument, you eventually end up below 
> 18", and many people can't keep a bike balanced with gearing that low
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[RBW] Re: Can you feel a 1.3 gear inch difference going uphill?

[Ron Mc]

if you continue the lower is better argument, you eventually end up below 
18", and many people can't keep a bike balanced with gearing that low

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[RBW] Re: Portland to SF?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Thank you for all your recommendations and feedback! I'll continue to plan 
my trip and maybe have a report in early Nov about how things went!

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Paul Clifton]

That is a very cool bike, Bill. Very very cool.
I'm having trouble not cussing about how cool it is.

I can't wait to see photos of it out on the trails.

Paul in ATL

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever 
> "final", of course, but here we are.  
>
>
>
> 
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
> lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.
>
> Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
> bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
> retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  
>
> Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
> Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
> Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals
>
> Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
> stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
> hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  
>
> Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
> King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
> coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
> block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore very politely requested final build photos.  Nothing is ever 
"final", of course, but here we are.  



Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte.  54cm center to top of seat 
lug. 59.2cm effective top tube.  Appaloosa 650B fork.  IRD headset.

Wheelset:  Shimano Deore XT Parallax M-737 hubs, 32 hole, converted to 
bolt-on Cro-mo axles.  Velocity Synergy rims, custom powdercoated with HALO 
retroreflective coating.  Duro Miner 52mm tires.  Tubes.  

Drivetrain:  XTR M985 crankset and BB.  172.5mm arms.  44/30 chainrings.  
Shimano CX70 front der.  Deore XT M786 rear der.  SRAM 1071 chains (2).  
Microshift 10sp index barcons.  11-36 Deore 10sp cassette.  SPD pedals

Components:  Tektro CR720 brakes.  SRAM S500 brakelevers.  Nitto lugged 
stem and 46cm Noodle bars.  Kalloy seatpost.  Niner saddle.  Nitto rear 
hanger.  Tektro crown-mount front hanger.  Reflective brake housing.  

Accessories:  Simworks front rack, Wald basket, Sapphire Shopsack.  Two 
King Cages (one Iris).  Lots of Newbaums (orange, grey, and celeste)  + two 
coats of clear Bullseye shellac.  






When the second coat of shellac dries I'll get to ride it around the 
block.  It turned out exactly like I planned, which is nice.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> Nice setup so far. Be sure to post final build photos (please).
>
>
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[RBW] Re: MMM

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks Rich,
Having fun so far.
The weather's getting super nice, and I'm finishing up some projects, so 
I'll some bandwidth and can maybe get a rivride together. I was up on the 
PATH along Dekalb yesterday on my Trek. Really glad the rain cleared up.

Drew - I think these are really a youthful bike. I'm just barely scraping 
middle age, but I suspect this bike will be the most fun bike I own. 
Definitely not a bike to leave in storage.

Here's a couple more photos. The tires really transform it.



Still lots to do, but that's the idea.





49mm tires still have tons of room.




Massive clearance at the curved bridge.


Paul in ATL



On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 5:05:29 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Paul, congratulations on your triple M! That's a gorgeous frame - and with 
> those extra nice details. My oh my!
>
> Hope I can run across you in ATL. My regular territory is a variety of 
> routes between Decatur and downtown ATL. Have fun with the build.
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
>

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[RBW] Can you feel a 1.3 gear inch difference going uphill?

[Marc Irwin]

I feel everything going uphill.

Marc

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[RBW] Re: S24O Report: Avoiding the Toilet-Eating-Bog by Bikepacking to Another

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, thank you for the captivating ride report and accompanying photos. 
> I enjoyed reading it. I appreciate your poetic prose. As this thread took a 
> literary slant earlier permit me to ask if you read Gerard Manley Hopkins? 
> If not I think you would appreciate his work.
>
Thanks  again for the entertaining read.

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[RBW] Re: How Do you like the XD2 wide/low double crank RBW sells?

[Kieran J]

I recently put what is essentially the Riv package on my wife's updated 
city bike, using 170mm XD2 arms, 40/28t rings and a bashguard from Spa 
Cycles 
(http://www.spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s210p3655/SPA-CYCLES-Alloy-Chainguard-110-BCD). 

One thing to keep in mind about the XD arms is that they are quite wide in 
the Q-factor department. Noticeably wider than other crank arms I have 
around like the Ritchey Logics, older Deore models and a Sugino GP (or 
something) set from the 80's, and many others. Inconsequential to some, 
important to others. 

In addition, the 74mm position has spacers incorporated into the spider and 
are not the removeable donuts like other similar triple crankset designs. 
If you're wanting to also have the opportunity to run the arms as a 
straight 110mm double at some point, the XD arms are less than ideal.

KJ


On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:42:28 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> And how does that guard attach?
> Is it a real double or an xd2 triple with the guard in place of the outer 
> ring?

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[RBW] Re: How Do you like the XD2 wide/low double crank RBW sells?

[lum gim fong]

Sorry for the typos. I was using the audio feature on my iPhone and forgot to 
manually edit before posting.

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[RBW] Re: How Do you like the XD2 wide/low double crank RBW sells?

[lum gim fong]

Gorgeous pic of your crank, Ron!

 So a quick email to Rivendell confirmed that the XT two triple and wide load 
double are indeed the same crank spiders. And so I ordered a 40 tooth chain 
ring and I'll keep the 24  that came with my triple on their stock. And I'm 
going to run the 40 ring with a cassette that gives me the full range I need 
and then use the 24 rang as a bell out.  I got the bash card too. Hopefully 
that will be great and winter when I wear long pants and then I won't have to 
time my pants up anymore to keep them out of the rings. So if this works out 
great then as the pocket allows I may do a short cage Direlle or in the back 
and a double D Rehler in the front but only if this works out good and I'm not 
going to go back to triple.

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Re: [RBW] Can you feel a 1.3 gear inch difference going uphill?

[Steve Palincsar]

If you take it to the extreme, at some point when you're on the very 
threshold of ability that 1.3 gear inch difference is going to be the 
difference between blowing up and not blowing up, so then you will 
surely see and feel the difference.  When you're not out on the extreme 
raggedy edge, chances are you won't be able to feel a difference that 
small.The camel only feels the straw when the load is on the verge 
of breaking his back, and the dam only feels that final drop of water 
that causes catastrophic failure when it's already stressed to the 
breaking point.



On 09/01/2017 10:08 AM, Garth wrote:

Who's to say it does or not, since thee answer "depends" on the rider, bike, terrain, climate and 
all intangibles. So one answer just won't do, look at the Whole picture and you see it doesn't matter in that 
the Whole picture does not depend on anything "in" the picture since everything "in" the 
Whole picture is the Whole picture. There is only One Whole picture ☺



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[RBW] Can you feel a 1.3 gear inch difference going uphill?

[Garth]

Who's to say it does or not, since thee answer "depends" on the rider, bike, 
terrain, climate and all intangibles. So one answer just won't do, look at the 
Whole picture and you see it doesn't matter in that the Whole picture does not 
depend on anything "in" the picture since everything "in" the Whole picture is 
the Whole picture. There is only One Whole picture ☺

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Custom

[John G.]

What's your PBH and saddle height?

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[RBW] Re: Could this be real?!?! Threadless Bosco Bullmoose?!

[lconley]

Last time I checked, they had more threadless Boscos that current and 
future planned tandems. Give them a call, 

Laing


On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:35:23 PM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:

> I think they were made and sold only to those who pre-ordered tandems.  I 
> have a set on my orange HHH and it matches the regular Bosco at the stoker 
> position.
>
> Not sure Riv had any intentions of offering them for sale seperatly. 
>
> Ryan
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:25:02 PM UTC-4, Keenan Cummings wrote:
>>
>> I found no evidence of this ever being a real thing, but this one photo. 
>> Am I crazy or is that a threadless treatment of the dreamy Bosco Bullmoose? 
>> (see attached image)
>>
>>
>>

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